Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
If we are saved by grace and not by works why are we judged by our works? Or is this a way of saying that our rewards are granted or taken away according to the way we lived?
Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Here we are judged by the law of liberty. That must be the law that gives us a right to choose the right ways. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Jam 2:14 What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
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QUOTE(Mazinaw @ Jan 19 2006, 09:53 PM)
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
If we are saved by grace and not by works why are we judged by our works? Or is this a way of saying that our rewards are granted or taken away according to the way we lived?
Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Here we are judged by the law of liberty. That must be the law that gives us a right to choose the right ways. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Jam 2:14 What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
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Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
If we are saved by grace and not by works why are we judged by our works? Or is this a way of saying that our rewards are granted or taken away according to the way we lived?
Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Here we are judged by the law of liberty. That must be the law that gives us a right to choose the right ways. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Jam 2:14 What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
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Rom 8:1[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
Faith does not save -- JESUS saves...
~Ish
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QUOTE(Mazinaw @ Jan 19 2006, 09:53 PM)
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
If we are saved by grace and not by works why are we judged by our works? Or is this a way of saying that our rewards are granted or taken away according to the way we lived?
Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Here we are judged by the law of liberty. That must be the law that gives us a right to choose the right ways. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Jam 2:14 What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
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Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
If we are saved by grace and not by works why are we judged by our works? Or is this a way of saying that our rewards are granted or taken away according to the way we lived?
Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Here we are judged by the law of liberty. That must be the law that gives us a right to choose the right ways. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Jam 2:14 What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
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Rom 8:1[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
Faith does not save -- JESUS saves...
~Ish
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By this then, our works is doing the will of the Father...
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
I find this scripture most definitive in stating that a simple faith confession as a form of "fire insurance" without following through by obedience to the will of God is not going to cut it.
The will of the Father includes...
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
I am in general agreement with charismatic faith teachers, but one thing I do not agree with is a "one size fits all salvation" whereby all get to go to heaven and all get raptured before the events ahead. There is a lot of meaning in the "if: of the new testament.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;
Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
1Th 3:8 For now we live, if ye stand fast in the Lord.
Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
I am exploring how we are judged and a part of that judging is being stedfast and unmoveable in the hope of the gospel. Falling away seems to bring a finality.
I am wondering (and think I now have preached myself happy) that the work we are judged by is in our remaining committed to the end. ONCE AGAIN
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Sorry, I am preaching to myself..not you ish...I am just doing it out loud is all...
QUOTE(Mazinaw @ Jan 19 2006, 08:53 PM)
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
If we are saved by grace and not by works why are we judged by our works? Or is this a way of saying that our rewards are granted or taken away according to the way we lived?
Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Here we are judged by the law of liberty. That must be the law that gives us a right to choose the right ways. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Jam 2:14 What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
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Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
If we are saved by grace and not by works why are we judged by our works? Or is this a way of saying that our rewards are granted or taken away according to the way we lived?
Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Here we are judged by the law of liberty. That must be the law that gives us a right to choose the right ways. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Jam 2:14 What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
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Dear Maz,
When I read your post, a Scripture jumped to mind out of Luke:
Luke 7:36-50 (CEV)
36) " A Pharisee invited Jesus to have dinner with him. So Jesus went to the Pharisee's home and got ready to eat.
37) " When a sinful woman in that town found out that Jesus was there, she bought an expensive bottle of perfume.
38) " Then she came and stood behind Jesus. She cried and started washing (H)is feet with her tears and drying them with her hair. The woman kissed (H)is feet and poured the perfume on them.
39) " The Pharisee who had invited Jesus saw this and said to himself, "If this man really were a prophet, he would know what kind of woman is touching him! He would know that she is a sinner."
40) " Jesus said to the Pharisee, "Simon, I have something to say to you."
" Teacher, what is it?" Simon replied.
41) " Jesus told him, "Two people were in debt to a moneylender. One of them owed five hundred silver coins, and the other owed him fifty.
42) " Since neither of them could pay him back, the moneylender said that they didn't have to pay him anything. Which of them will like him more?"
43) " Simon answered, "I suppose it would be the one who had owed more and didn't have to pay it back."
" You are right," Jesus said.
44) " He turned toward the woman and said to Simon, "Have you noticed this woman? When I came into your home, you didn't give (M)e any water so that I could wash (M)y feet. But she has washed (M)y feet with her tears and dried them with her hair.
45) " You didn't greet (M)e with a kiss, but from the time I came in, she has not stopped kissing (M)y feet.
46) " You didn't even pour olive oil on (M)y head, but she has poured expensive perfume on (M)y feet.
47) " So I tell you that all her sins are forgiven, and that is why she has shown great love. But anyone who has been forgiven only a little will only show a little love."
48) " Then Jesus said to the woman, " Your sins are forgiven."
49) " Some other guests started saying to one another, "Who is this who dares to forgive sins?"
50) " But Jesus told the woman, "Because of your faith, you are now saved. May God give you peace!" "
When we are sufficient in ourselves, trying to add good works to our salvation, we are in temperment very like the Pharisee mentioned...but when, like the woman, the works are a by-product of love and adoration for Him, that's when we can see the balance between the words of James and of Paul...because of that wondrous love which gave us such a precious gift...one that we could never hope to earn or deserve...how can we hold back anything from Him...we want to do what He asks...give as He gives..and reach out in love to others as He did to us...not to earn favor...or buy for ourselves "brownie points" but because we love Him so. We now have the Commandments of God written in our hearts...because with all that we are and all that we have, we love Him above all...and then those around us-each of which was created by God Himself-as much as we DO ourselves. So I believe that we ARE saved by grace...and that it's because of that grace that the works just naturally come...because of love...His love for us...which sparks our love for Him!!!!
(....just a thought...)
All love in Him!!!
devorah
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