i have come to a revelation of myself that just as i have been transformed by the holy spirit i now have been given gifts not gifts that can be felt or touched but these gifts lie within ourselves that if you are saved then you can and will learn to trust in yourself because just as the son is in the father and now the father in the son we are now SONS of GOD so just as he was in the father and the father in him we are in the the father and the father is in us and if the father is in you then your views of the world, and what a hideous world it is, will change as will that which you hear UNDESTAND GOD IS EVERTHING NOTHING IS NOT OF GOD because in him all things were made without him not a thing was made. SO HOLD TO THIS TEACHING RECIEVE EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD AS FROM GOD, BUT TEST EVERYTHING. by doing this you will learn that everything is acceptable but not everything is benificial that all things are right but not all things are right for everyone. All things are good but not all things are good for you. its not that we don't know because we all know when we do something doesn't benifit GOD's glory so do all things so that they will benifit GOD and nobody else. IT IS TIME TO MAKE WAR WITH THE EARTH AS IT HAS MADE WAR WITH GOD`

I was just about to start a new topic about us getting as close as possible to the Father's VIEWPOINT on everything; and now I see that you have already started the topic.

I would say let us wage war on the lies of this world system by our speaking the truth from the Father's heart.

The whole world is completely deceived. The history of our planet as we have been taught is 98% lies.

This creation of God is a faith based creation. You can not prove anything to anyone. We all have to believe what we do by faith. The Father was invisible so He came into the stream of human history as a Man so that creation could SEE HIM.

But still, we have to believe by faith.

The notion of other beings, humanoid or otherwise, and nephilim and fallen angels and/or demons taking over humans, all of these intelligences would also have to believe in God by faith. They do not. They believe only in the creation or what they can perceive with their physical senses. They believe in might makes right. They believe in power and control through deception and lies.

Everything they believe in, has a natural end in death and destruction. Everything they believe in is NOT REAL.

Only the Kingdom of our God is REAL. We are ambassadors to the Kingdom of God, and will be used of God to show the true reality to everyone else; if we submit ourselves completely to our faith in Christ.

So, I agree with stuncrazy, in that we are NOW already the sons of God. However I would correct stuncrazy and say that our war is with the world and its world system, and not with the natural planet earth which God made and said it was good.

It is easy to prepare to receive our manifested power as sons of God, by just continuing to ABIDE in Christ. Keep readin the Word. Practice talking and thinking like you are in God's Kingdom now. Let the Holy Spirit show you hints and confirmations along the way. God guides our steps. Rest in Him. Rest from YOUR works.

This will be an awesome finish to an ages long battle to get God's children back and reconciled to Him. Thats what He wanted all along. And to make it real. And to redeem the physical creation. God's creation is not a democracy where the mob rules; its a benevolent theocracy where God rules and His children are totally free.

nada

Hello sisters,

I know this cannot be of coincidence, I came here to the forum to speak a word about "accepting our places and gifts and everything that is from Him into our works"!!! Like nada said "We need to be fully immersed in thinking that "the kingdom of heaven is here" right now, and start to act like that...to be completely surrendered into His living waters! I couldn't agree more! Thanks stun for starting this thread....I just didn't even expect to find so three likeminded posts...even though the "way it is said is different" it all boils down to living IN HIM, full time all the time, to be better witnesses...and to keep our eyes focused on the heavenly things and not so hard upon these passing earthly things. Like nada said...we need to be focused on the heavenly things of the Lord, amen sis!!

I have been praying upon verses like "so as you ask, so shall you receive", whatever you ask for in My Name I will be faithful to give you", "knock and the door will be opened to you", and as you can imagine many more along those lines.

If we as Christian Soldiers are called to come out and preach the Gospel to the sick, the poor, the lost, the alone, and all those in the dark of this world...How would this be accomplished if we do not ask for the Holy Spirts Power in order to "lift up His name"? I should think that their are some around this globe that have callings upon their lives.... I think it is time that we are to "ask for His Spirit to come into our lives by His power and in Wisdom and in Grace" to accomplish the beginning of a full blown Holy Spirit filled revival, included with all of the workings of the Holy Spirit in place....IN ORDER TO SHOW THE WORLD HIS POWER AND TO LIFT UP THE NAME OF JESUS...these things surely would bring about "a renewel of thoughts about God", amen. I pray an outpouring of the Holy Spirit like in the days of the 120 witnesses from the Upper room who testified of Christ, amen, in Jesus name I pray. YSIC hannah fievel to all

I did edit this to say "if you are a person who wishes to exault oneself, this is not a prayer to say", but if you are a person who wants only for others to see HIS LIGHT AND TO GIVE JESUS ALL THE PRAISE, then pray this prayer in agreement.

I did not want anyone to think that I was inferring in any way shape or form "in raising or lifting yourself up to a godly level" ONLY HE CAN GIVE, and only to those in whom HE can trusts. I am only here on this earth for one reason and that is to glorify HIM...sorry, I didn't want to be sounding like I was promoting some new age crap onto anyone. I don't believe "one can call a spirit into play"...it is His wisdom that is a "gift from above, I just think one should think and pray about "KEEPING FOCUSED ON HIM"...sorry.... hannah fievel

Stuncrazy,


You said and I quote:

"IT IS TIME TO MAKE WAR WITH THE EARTH AS IT HAS MADE WAR WITH GOD"



The War is God's not ours.....so be aware of this.

Jesus did nothing but what the God the Father told Him to do....Satan know's our weaknesses and when we start leaning on our own understanding... satan can beguile you into believing it is of God. When Jesus was tempted by satan, what did He do? See Luke 4.

If and only if we are to engage in battle, God will lead us there. It will be His call, not ours. God's Word says for us not to trust in ourselves, but in every Word that God gives us. Vengence is also God's not ours....

In Closing:

"Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sin go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil." Ephesians 4:23-24 (KJV)

"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds;) Casting down all imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled." 2 Corinthians 10:3-6 (KJV)

Take your battle to God on your knees in prayers...they are a sweet fragrance to Him. He will hear us and remember, the battles are not ours.

Of course tigger...WE FIGHT A SPIRITUAL BATTLE THEREFORE WE NEED SPIRITUAL EQUIPMENT....

AMEN!! As we do need to be in prayer, to have on the amour of the Lords, and to be "spiritual ready, armed with the word, and wisdom to ask for whatever it takes to bring the lost into the light" and, of course, we know that Our Lord has a plan. But some, just may be included in part of His plan..so does that not mean that we need to be prepared not only mentally but also Spiritually prepared, and as physically prepared as we each feel the need? hannah fievel

Hannah,

The war will be His battle in His time....not ours....His ways are not our ways. I do beleive the 144,000 Jews will be at the forefront. But, Hannah, their time is not yet come. There will be a battle that we have never seen before. See Exekiel 39. It is a pretty grusome picture of the battle to come. It (the battle)will take seven years...and seven months to bury the dead....and men will have continual employment in burying the dead! This is the coming battle. What we are seeing has not even began to match this kind of death and destruction. No, I don't beleive it is time for us to follow our own imaginations but we need to seek it out in God's word and in prayer. That is when all things are revealed to us. It will not be by our own thinking. For the meantime, prayer is what God is seeking from us. The battle is carried on our prayers. It is a spiritual battle.

Hannah,

The battle in Revelations says that we will ride back with Him into battle. Just wanted to add this so that you can get a clear picture of the final battle that is to come.

[quote=hannah fievel,Jan 17 2006, 07:28 PM]
Hello sisters,
[quote=onetiggerroo,Jan 17 2006, 07:45 PM]
Stuncrazy,


You said and I quote:

"IT IS TIME TO MAKE WAR WITH THE EARTH AS IT HAS MADE WAR WITH GOD"



The War is God's not ours.....so be aware of this.

Jesus did nothing but what the God the Father told Him to do....Satan know's our weaknesses and when we start leaning on our own understanding... satan can beguile you into believing it is of God. When Jesus was tempted by satan, what did He do? See Luke 4.

If and only if we are to engage in battle, God will lead us there. It will be His call, not ours. God's Word says for us not to trust in ourselves, but in every Word that God gives us. Vengence is also God's not ours....

In Closing:

"Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sin go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil." Ephesians 4:23-24 (KJV)

"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds;) Casting down all imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled." 2 Corinthians 10:3-6 (KJV)

Take your battle to God on your knees in prayers...they are a sweet fragrance to Him. He will hear us and remember, the battles are not ours.


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Amen and thank you very much for your corrections, i was a little quick to speak and i would like to thank you for pointing that out for me. additionally i would like to appologize for sounding boastful in my eagerness to speak and would like to humble myself and ask for your forgiveness. i would also like to add that yes as we do need to make war but not the war that we know and unfortunately have become use to in the world but the spiritual war that is raging above our heads. first things first before we check the world we must first check the church of the world is it not our job to put all things underneath his feet. should we not use the things that we all have. teach the world to love GOD and do it in a way that could never be done until just a decade or so back the internet is like GODs version of nuclear weapons in spiritual warfare if used by the right spirit. are we not suppose to make sure everyone to our best extent possible should hear the good news

"lo, I have stood at the door, and I knock; if any one may hear my voice, and may open the door, I will come in unto him, and will sup with him, and he with me"
21He who is overcoming -- I will give to him to sit with me in my throne, as I also did overcome and did sit down with my Father in His throne.

is he not writing to the angels
14`And to the messenger of the assembly of the Laodiceans write: These things saith the Amen, the witness -- the faithful and true -- the chief of the creation of God;
and since when are we not his angels for weren't they just the ones that did GODS will
and are these not also GODS people
15I have known thy works, that neither cold art thou nor hot; I would thou wert cold or hot. 16So -- because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to vomit thee out of my mouth; 17because thou sayest -- I am rich, and have grown rich, and have need of nothing, and hast not known that thou art the wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked,

in my oppinion there is alot of work needed to be done in WHOLE instead of independently and by WHOLE i mean EVERYONE working as what other than a BODY OF GOD

In my own oppinion i believe this one is one we can is fitting for what i personally in my own personal experience with the church as a whole
1And to the messenger of the assembly in Sardis write: These things saith he who is having the Seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars: I have known thy works, and that thou hast the name that thou dost live, and thou art dead;
2become watching, and strengthen the rest of the things that are about to die, for I have not found thy works fulfilled before God. 3`Remember, then, how thou hast received, and heard, and be keeping, and reform: if, then, thou mayest not watch, I will come upon thee as a thief, and thou mayest not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis who did not defile their garments, and they shall walk with me in white, because they are worthy. 5He who is overcoming -- this one -- shall be arrayed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the scroll of the life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before His messengers. 6He who is having an ear -- let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies.

i believe many are sure of that which just lies ahead so wouldn't it be fitting that this would mean us since it would make sense we are the church that will see the end will we not have the seven angels of the seven churches should we not help those are in grave danger a much more horrible pain than possible here safe right now? is everything that needs to be accomplished fullfilled is everything under his feet. is he not comming like a thief(in spirit) and telling us what to do.

7`And to the messenger of the assembly in Philadelphia write: These things saith he who is holy, he who is true, he who is having the key of David, he who is opening and no one doth shut, and he shutteth and no one doth open!
8I have known thy works; lo, I have set before thee a door -- opened, and no one is able to shut it, because thou hast a little power, and didst keep my word, and didst not deny my name; 9lo, I make of the synagogue of the Adversary those saying themselves to be Jews, and are not, but do lie; lo, I will make them that they may come and bow before thy feet, and may know that I loved thee. 10`Because thou didst keep the word of my endurance, I also will keep thee from the hour of the trial that is about to come upon all the world, to try those dwelling upon the earth. 11Lo, I come quickly, be holding fast that which thou hast, that no one may receive thy crown. 12He who is overcoming -- I will make him a pillar in the sanctuary of my God, and without he may not go any more, and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, that doth come down out of the heaven from my God -- also my new name. 13He who is having an ear -- let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies.

did he not call his servant moses to save his people before he destroyed the egyptians in thier disbelief? in all this i believe it would be a good idea to make war with the evil of this world possibly this is the war that could take seven years and seven nights to bury the dead if we do not at first help raise the dead

all corrections or edifications would be appreciated as will additional thoughts
your servant and brother,

stuncrazy

[quote=stuncrazy,Jan 18 2006, 01:52 AM]
[quote=hannah fievel,Jan 17 2006, 07:28 PM]
Hello sisters,
[quote=onetiggerroo,Jan 17 2006, 07:45 PM]
Stuncrazy,


You said and I quote:

"IT IS TIME TO MAKE WAR WITH THE EARTH AS IT HAS MADE WAR WITH GOD"



The War is God's not ours.....so be aware of this.

Jesus did nothing but what the God the Father told Him to do....Satan know's our weaknesses and when we start leaning on our own understanding... satan can beguile you into believing it is of God. When Jesus was tempted by satan, what did He do? See Luke 4.

If and only if we are to engage in battle, God will lead us there. It will be His call, not ours. God's Word says for us not to trust in ourselves, but in every Word that God gives us. Vengence is also God's not ours....

In Closing:

"Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sin go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil." Ephesians 4:23-24 (KJV)

"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds;) Casting down all imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled." 2 Corinthians 10:3-6 (KJV)

Take your battle to God on your knees in prayers...they are a sweet fragrance to Him. He will hear us and remember, the battles are not ours.


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Amen and thank you very much for your corrections, i was a little quick to speak and i would like to thank you for pointing that out for me. additionally i would like to appologize for sounding boastful in my eagerness to speak and would like to humble myself and ask for your forgiveness. i would also like to add that yes as we do need to make war but not the war that we know and unfortunately have become use to in the world but the spiritual war that is raging above our heads. first things first before we check the world we must first check the church of the world is it not our job to put all things underneath his feet. should we not use the things that we all have. teach the world to love GOD and do it in a way that could never be done until just a decade or so back the internet is like GODs version of nuclear weapons in spiritual warfare if used by the right spirit. are we not suppose to make sure everyone to our best extent possible should hear the good news

"lo, I have stood at the door, and I knock; if any one may hear my voice, and may open the door, I will come in unto him, and will sup with him, and he with me"
21He who is overcoming -- I will give to him to sit with me in my throne, as I also did overcome and did sit down with my Father in His throne.

is he not writing to the angels
14`And to the messenger of the assembly of the Laodiceans write: These things saith the Amen, the witness -- the faithful and true -- the chief of the creation of God;
and since when are we not his angels for weren't they just the ones that did GODS will
and are these not also GODS people
15I have known thy works, that neither cold art thou nor hot; I would thou wert cold or hot. 16So -- because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to vomit thee out of my mouth; 17because thou sayest -- I am rich, and have grown rich, and have need of nothing, and hast not known that thou art the wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked,

in my oppinion there is alot of work needed to be done in WHOLE instead of independently and by WHOLE i mean EVERYONE working as what other than a BODY OF GOD

In my own oppinion i believe this one is one we can is fitting for what i personally in my own personal experience with the church as a whole
1And to the messenger of the assembly in Sardis write: These things saith he who is having the Seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars: I have known thy works, and that thou hast the name that thou dost live, and thou art dead;
2become watching, and strengthen the rest of the things that are about to die, for I have not found thy works fulfilled before God. 3`Remember, then, how thou hast received, and heard, and be keeping, and reform: if, then, thou mayest not watch, I will come upon thee as a thief, and thou mayest not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis who did not defile their garments, and they shall walk with me in white, because they are worthy. 5He who is overcoming -- this one -- shall be arrayed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the scroll of the life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before His messengers. 6He who is having an ear -- let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies.

i believe many are sure of that which just lies ahead so wouldn't it be fitting that this would mean us since it would make sense we are the church that will see the end will we not have the seven angels of the seven churches should we not help those are in grave danger a much more horrible pain than possible here safe right now? is everything that needs to be accomplished fullfilled is everything under his feet. is he not comming like a thief(in spirit) and telling us what to do.

7`And to the messenger of the assembly in Philadelphia write: These things saith he who is holy, he who is true, he who is having the key of David, he who is opening and no one doth shut, and he shutteth and no one doth open!
8I have known thy works; lo, I have set before thee a door -- opened, and no one is able to shut it, because thou hast a little power, and didst keep my word, and didst not deny my name; 9lo, I make of the synagogue of the Adversary those saying themselves to be Jews, and are not, but do lie; lo, I will make them that they may come and bow before thy feet, and may know that I loved thee. 10`Because thou didst keep the word of my endurance, I also will keep thee from the hour of the trial that is about to come upon all the world, to try those dwelling upon the earth. 11Lo, I come quickly, be holding fast that which thou hast, that no one may receive thy crown. 12He who is overcoming -- I will make him a pillar in the sanctuary of my God, and without he may not go any more, and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, that doth come down out of the heaven from my God -- also my new name. 13He who is having an ear -- let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies.

did he not call his servant moses to save his people before he destroyed the egyptians in thier disbelief? in all this i believe it would be a good idea to make war with the evil of this world possibly this is the war that could take seven years and seven nights to bury the dead if we do not at first help raise the dead

all corrections or edifications would be appreciated as will additional thoughts
your servant and brother,

stuncrazy
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Stuncrazy,

I've lost this post once, so I am trying to retype all that God has laid on my heart for you...

I understand your zest to be worthy of Him. It is not our place to decide if the battle is ours. It is His until the appointed time, and that is when Jesus returns with his saints! Until then, we are the "Whole" body of Christians; when we get on our knees before Him. He hears us and our prayers are like a sweet fragrance to HIM. He desires this of us. The battle is His and it is spiritual. Only when He gives us the command, will we be in the fight. Our place in Him is, seeking Him out in prayer and supplecation. Reading His word and hiding it on our hearts. This is where the true battle for us, begins.

I am glad that you have come here to the forum and brought this out. We need to have other Christians to help us in our journey with the Lord and sometimes they have been where you are now. this does not mean that we are not to admonish one another when something is not being taught correctly in the Church. Just be sure that you are the one that is supposed to do the admonsihing. Seek God's word and pray about it first.

These are the verses I was looking for last night and could not find.....

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3: 5-6 (KJV)

"Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteuos: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly. He keepeth the paths of judgement, and preserveth they way of his saints. Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgement, and equity; yea, every good path. When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul; Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:" Proverbs 2:5-11 (KJV)

Let God give you understanding and wisdom in His Word. He will show you all that He has for you, and he will use you in all that is HIS will. Our first commandment from Jesus was to become fisher's of men, and that this is our purpose right now, and should not be taken lightly. Because when we bring one person to know Him and accept Him, as their personnal Savior, we have added a precious jewel to Jesus Crown! There will come a time, that we will lay those jeweled crowns at Jesus feet. Talk about the wedding gifts! Just a revelation there....

There may be other gifts given you, but we must first be about saving the lost. Until then, just know that there will be wars and rumours of wars. Luke 21, will give you a picture of what we are to see before He comes to Rapture the Church.

I hope that I have helped you just a little bit to understand what God's Word told me......

It is not about me or you or what we think we can do, it has always been about HIM! Give God the Glory......after all His thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways are not our ways. He has the ultimate Plan.

Also,

Luk 9:52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. Luk 9:53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save [them]. And they went to another village.

i have come to a revelation of myself that just as i have been transformed by the holy spirit i now have been given gifts not gifts that can be felt or touched but these gifts lie within ourselves that if you are saved then you can and will learn to trust in yourself...

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Self trust is pride...

for these my friend im sorry but i cannot appollogize for these convictions of yours come based on the wrong state of mind you are speaking to me as if the things i said there where any different than the very scripture you gave me they say what i say was i not speaking of the soul of my self which is the holy spirit where they not without spirit in the days of proverb is that not why jesus died for our since so you say that i had self-pride but in actuallity my pride is in GOD and my trust is JESUS who if i am not mistaken lies within us as the holy spirit please do correct me if im wrong but isn't that why we are in the wake of all things comming to pass
to fight against evil is it not to make war with the devil. but now i say to you be sure that satan does not trick you into mistaking good for evil because this can sometimes be easily done thats why i said it is important to take everything as comming from GOD and then test it because that way we may take some bad for good but that is much better than taking good as bad because then we're in danger of blaspheming the spirit and i know none of us want that

You said you have come to trust in yourself. The whole Christian concept is trusting in God.

but in my self i am jesus and we are to trust in jesus why do you reject me do you want to call me evil if so then do it in plain english do not just try to find fault trust that i am a fellow brother in christ and in thus trust in christ by trusting in me

So now you are Jesus? stuncrazy you are not making any sense .

...you build your house upon sand...

I see this face in your reply...

I am certainly not rejecting you. I would have to navigate back but it seems you invited critical comment to the end you be edified or corrected...

I think I see what you are saying, although it is not with great plainess of speech. I do raise the issue of self trust when we are supposed to be self denial. There is a war raging alright, but we fight the war with the weapons of our warfare which are not carnal but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds.

2Co 10:2 But I beseech [you], that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. 2Co 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) 2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

no brother i am not angry as you say more at the time i mad this face because i feal as though satan is trying to lay a trap before me just as he did the pharisee so i sat down and now i have thought long and hard making sure that the way i think is correct and making sure that all my posts where corectlly stated and that what i said i meant to say and in fact it is. so let me ask you are you in your self jesus? and think about that question before you answer think long and hard its a very important one. and yes i did ask for edification or correction but if the edification and correction were rather uninformed false acusations then is it not my job to show you the errors of such edification? why do you think of a physical war when i say lets make war am I in a position of leadership that i could even make that call? how meaningless would it be to even attempt a war with the world (the physical world that is) of course we are speaking of the spirit and with the spirit we war against satan? why do you block my path and pronounce me guilty when i have said and done nothing other than what the spirit tells me to do and yes trusting in god is the christian concept but look at the modern day christian they are hypocrites no better than the pharissee in jesus's time make sure you go by what you say. no let me explain it once more
JOHN 1:1-4
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it
12,13
12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[c] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

and maybe you should check out the name of our true GOD which was given to Moses and think about it write it vertically see the image it makes or better go her http://www.yhwh.com/GINGN/gingn.htm

To the degree that I am a Spirit filled Christian, yes I have Christ in me as you also claim to have. But that does not make me self reliant. My edification is not false edification. We are to die to self and live unto God. That means no self trust and a lot of self denial. Not depending on self. Why do I think of a physical war? Because you introduced the point with no explanation beyond "IT IS TIME TO MAKE WAR WITH THE EARTH AS IT HAS MADE WAR WITH GOD." There is absolutely no reference to spiritual warfare, and you in your profile provide no information as to who you are, where you are, how old you are, how much you have grown in the Lord etc. I could be dealing with someone who believes in Jihad for all I know. Beyond that we do not need to make war with the earth. We need to make war with the prince of the power of the air who worketh in the children of disobedience.


"but look at the modern day christian they are hypocrites no better than the pharissee in jesus's time make sure you go by what you say. no let me explain it once more"

How do you know but what you you are preaching to a preacher or not? There will always be hypocricy, but that does not negate the good or those who uphold it. You seem to be prepared to paint one and all with a vast brush of obvious indignation which means you are setting yourself above the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven.

It is an exercise in semantics which speaks of a religious spirit to get off into a diatribe on the names of God. God was known to the people at Mars hill as "The Unknown God" and He reached down through Paul the apostle to direct them in the truth. Act 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

There are many names for God. My bible says Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

When was the last time you referred to Jesus by the name God said he would be called? Or how about these names?

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus is an anglicized version of Yeshua and Jesus never spoke English in his ministry on earth. But I somehow believe he is big enough to realize our humanity in calling Him as we have been taught. My english bible says to pray the Father in His name, and that is the name he gave to use. But you probably think Christ was Jesus last name...

Quit trying to josh the old sarge now...

ok hear me out i am saying what you say a million times over i will repeat myself everything you say i have already said just not with the same wording will you begin to understand that by me saying i trust in myself it is because it is trusting that OUR FATHER AKA THE ALPHA THE OMEGA AKA THE FIRST AND THE LAST AKA THE ALMIGHTY KING OF KINGS AKA LORD OF LORDS AKA THE MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH AKA THE SELF EXISTANT ONE AKA THE ONE THAT WITHOUT NOTHING ELSE CAN BE AKA THE ONE WHO IS AKA THE ONE THROUGH WHICH EVERYTHING WAS MADE AND WITHOUT NOT A THING WAS MADE AKA THE GOD THAT NO MATTER WHAT DEATH YOU DIE BY YOU WILL NO MATTER WHAT GLORIFY HIS NAME by trusting in myself in all reality this trust comes from a very deep trust of OUR GOD because he will and always will uphold his side of the deal NO MATTER WHAT if you ask he will give freely and trusting in self comes from trusting that he has made myself equal not great and not less than his son who is the Word of GOD because just as the son is in the father and the father is in the son THE SON IS IN ME BUT I MUST ALSO BE IN THE SON do you get me now we say the same thing but you keep on calling me wrong I STRIVE AND LIVE for the simple pleasure of walking with GOD. he consumes my every being like the light consumes the dark what i speak i only speak because he has told me to do so. my every command comes from him. TRUE I AM NOT PERFECT BUT THROUGH HIM I AM MADE RIGHT. MY GOD WHICH IS ALL OF THOSE THINGS IS MY VERY SELF. because if you say that he is not you are denying that he is all things and all things are him. you speak as if satan is stronger than our father but he is not he can only do what father allows him to do. now i tell you this again ALL I SPEAK HAS BEEN TOLD TO ME

you are ignorant of my words you read them but you dont understand i speak nothing but good news but portray it as wron let me explain the son is in the father and the father in the son and because the son is in me the father must also be in me this is an ultimate trust of GOD: THE ALPHA THE OMEGA THE ONE WHO IS THE SELF EXISTANT ONE. in denying that we are one with the father your are denying that the father is one with everything and this is all i am saying. and yes you are correct i should have stated further that the war which i speak of is spiritual but we are a spiritual people and i felt it needed not be specified that we as a spiritual people think live and speak in a spiritual way that my words come from the most high because the most high is in me we are in becoming one with the father and that is all im saying

I am not denying the scriptures wherein it is shown that we are one ...

Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, hat they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

i should have stated further that the war which i speak of is spiritual but we are a spiritual people and i felt it needed not be specified that we as a spiritual people think live and speak in a spiritual way that my words come from the most high because the most high is in me we are in becoming one with the father and that is all im saying

We are spiritual people but we walk in the flesh also and that can and does at times have the ascendancy in us.

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that we as a spiritual people think live and speak in a spiritual way that my words come from the most high because the most high is in me we are in becoming one with the father and that is all im saying

I have a prophetic gift and I can assure you in all candor such is not the case, and if it were you will never get people to believe it just on your say so.

In the meantime, have at it...

Stuncrazy, if I may ask, how do you love the Lord?

Just say that you trust in God and the air will clear. How you arrive at that trust is an inner working of your own soul. As for me, I trust in God because I have come to know He is faithful.

well to answer that question is easy i love him with all my hear my mind and my soul and i show my love by praying at every given opportunity and consuming myself within his word. and yes mazinaw to put it simply i trust in GOD

Pro 17:10 A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.

Glad to see you found that ability. You have a few stripes left

now mazinaw as i have agreed with your reproof i ask you earnestly and truly can you see where i am comming from if not i will review my stance once again to see i have not been decieved

stuncrazy if I may ask you this, please I ask you take no offense, because I am not trying to offend you.

I want to ask you a couple of questions if you would allow me this:

1. What should you be rooted in first "after" you decided to give you life to Christ?

When you answer this question I will ask you another one....Let me also say this:
No, the enemy does not work through me and no I am not laying a trap....
I ask that you just answer the question and nothing else at this point, and I want to say thank you now. Why am I doing this....You will see in a little while....

i believe if i understand the question correctly that you should be rooted in the word of god

Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

touche thanks for the enlightenment truely

To be rooted in the Word of God first would stand to be incorrect. The word of God tells us to SEEK HIM FIRST: God is LOVE so we should be rooted in HIS LOVE first and then He will lead us into HIS word.
To become rooted in His word first would make a very legalistic person.
I also when I came across this thread just today, I thought: What in the world stole your last cookie....The Father and the Son are in covenant together. When Christ died He gave us, after the day of Pentacost, a Comforter, a Helper, which is the Holy Spirit, and it is that Holy Spirit that dwells in each one of us, who receive it, to be made manifest. Now, it is not our fight, we do not warfare with one another, we are created to be teachers, preachers, apostles, prophets, evangenlists. Maz quoted you the scripture so I don't have to.

But my next question is this: Did this offend you in any way?

no not at all you spoke very undersandingly

I am praying for God to give you the understanding that you need here, as well as for us to speak so you can understand too. God loves you and we do here.

these things have showed me of my misunderstandings now i ask for guidance how are we suppose to be rooted in his love any help on this would be indeed a life saver

Pray this prayer over your own life every day until you arrive someplace. Insert your own name or self in the proper places in the prayer...

Eph 3:14 For this cause I ( Francisco Garcia) bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, (Francisco Garcia) according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your (Francisco Garcia) hearts by faith; that ye, (Francisco Garcia) being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye (Francisco Garcia) might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we (Francisco Garcia) ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, (Francisco Garcia) Eph 3:21 Unto him [be] glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Hello, Don't mean to intrude but maz, this is one of my favorite verses Eph3:14-21, and just wanted share the "whole beauty of this passage"!! YSIC hannah fievel

Eph3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; 17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Forgive me if I was not clear.....What part did you not understand?

The reason I asked this question of you was because of this:

When I found this thread a few days ago and started reading what you had written I felt a rage coming from within you....I continued to read and soon found out that others as well as I found this to be the same.

The reason I asked you the first question is that we, as believer's think that we must get rooted in the word first then all else will come. One very important step we all miss at first, is that we are to be rooted in love first. Maz did a wonderful job in getting you that information on how to do that. God is love and that love will replace that "battle" mentality that I saw and others did as well. The fight is not ours, we are called to be obedient servants, doing the Lords will, not our own. When the Lord speaks or gives a word to someone, that word will hold complete truth, and no correction will be needed. When you bring a word from the Lord, everyone who receives it will be edified in some way through it.

As I typed this the Lord has prompted me to give you this scripture:

1 Peter 5: 8-9 (read) Our job is to resist the enemy and he will flee.....Keep your eyes on the Lord and He will guide and direct you in each step you take in obedience to Him.

The second question I asked was were you offended? You don't have to answer it, but I don't want you to be offended. We that seek the Lord and His word, through His teaching must have a teachable spirit. One that is willing to say, "yes, I was wrong." and have a thankfulness toward the Lord. I know that when most of first came to the Lord, we had a zeal for Him, that we personally were going to kick the devil's behind. Well, that is not our job, our job is to resist him.......

I pray this clears the misunderstanding and if it didn't please let me know and let me know....

Perfect love casts out fear. Love conquers the work of the devil....When you walk in love you and then you allow the Lord to reveal the word to you, and then the Lord activates you in your calling, my friend, no devil in hell can stop you. You are armed with the full armor of God and He, not us, but He will do the fighting.....Yeeepiiieee...

There is no such thing as an intruder on any of my situations. You are always welcome to place your thoughts to my posts and replies...

i am so glad that God has brought me to this forum because other than these forums i have nobody to talk to about matters pertaining to our father because nobody understands me I have always felt like i have had very strong faith in GOD ever since i was a child i grew up in "christian" family and even though i did not like church because of the hypocrisy of it all i always loved GOD. So now that i have people that enjoy talking about things pertaining to our heavenly father as much as i do you have no idea (actually you probobly do) how happy i am that you have showed such love to a total stranger glory be to GOD our father amen

and i must add that you all have been a blessing in so many ways i cant thank you enough with all my heart i show my gratitude and pray that i may return what has been given once again thank you