What does bible say about death. I have seen some of my very close people dying. I understand that in a certain period of time may be less than 6 months the soul knows that it is leaving the body. Many things is talked over, many things get done....lots of things. I think in a numbered days like 48 or 24 definetly that person may know he is going to die. Close people gets dreams of dead one receving them. When one of my close person died I had a dream even 3 years before that a person is becoming widow. My aunty had a dream that the persons mother is restless( She died years ago). Many many things.... Even after death there is a feeling that soul is around for sometime. I went to psychic to call my close person who died. The psychic explianed to me the exact mentality the person had when he died ( leaving his family). For a 3 minutes what the psychic told was exactly what of my close person died.
It is clear that a person who beleive in christ live with God thereafter. What happens to a good person who did not know christ????. There can be many arguements with this statement..... everyone who live in this earth will know christ. My immediate answer please visit and stay there for a even short period of time in countries like srilanka, India and other south asian countries. You can see loads of people die with a mask. From their birth they have a mask on their face. Till their death that mask becomes one of their organ.
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What does bible say about death. I have seen some of my very close people dying. I understand that in a certain period of time may be less than 6 months the soul knows that it is leaving the body. Many things is talked over, many things get done....lots of things. I think in a numbered days like 48 or 24 definetly that person may know he is going to die. Close people gets dreams of dead one receving them. When one of my close person died I had a dream even 3 years before that a person is becoming widow. My aunty had a dream that the persons mother is restless( She died years ago). Many many things.... Even after death there is a feeling that soul is around for sometime. I went to psychic to call my close person who died. The psychic explianed to me the exact mentality the person had when he died ( leaving his family). For a 3 minutes what the psychic told was exactly what of my close person died.
It is clear that a person who beleive in christ live with God thereafter. What happens to a good person who did not know christ????. There can be many arguements with this statement..... everyone who live in this earth will know christ. My immediate answer please visit and stay there for a even short period of time in countries like srilanka, India and other south asian countries. You can see loads of people die with a mask. From their birth they have a mask on their face. Till their death that mask becomes one of their organ.
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It is clear that a person who beleive in christ live with God thereafter. What happens to a good person who did not know christ????. There can be many arguements with this statement..... everyone who live in this earth will know christ. My immediate answer please visit and stay there for a even short period of time in countries like srilanka, India and other south asian countries. You can see loads of people die with a mask. From their birth they have a mask on their face. Till their death that mask becomes one of their organ.
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Hello Len, may the Lord touch your heart.
The bible says many things about death. For one, death was the result of sin brought about by the fall of Adam and Eve, when they disobeyed the Lord. From that day on all of mankind would befall sin and would reap its wages, which was death. In that time death had reigned, and many feared death as it was the ultimate fate for all.
But, the Lord always has a plan and he knew that death was something he would beat. How do you revoke the power of death without contradicting your word? For God did tell Adam and Eve that if ye eat from the tree of knowledge ye shall die the same day (Gen 2:17). God could not go back on his word even though his beloved creation, mankind, had sinned against him.
Now one might think that God was beat. He made a statement that if he went back on he would break his own word and prove falible, and if he did not then mankind would forever be subject to death.
Well, not so. God performed a miracle, one that death didn't even see coming. You see, God became flesh and walked with man, and in the time he lived as a man the did not sin. He was accused of crimes that he did not do and slain as an innocent person, so that when death tried to wrap it self around him, death could not do it. Death's power was broken and God never went against his word. A perfect plan! And God said onto death that he himself paid the ultimate price and death cannot judge over him since God never sinned, and for that he has paid for the price of those who are willing to believe that he died for the sins of man, which he did. God dusted his hands of death and in three days time was risen from the grave. The one who lived as a man, died and was resurrected is named Jesus Christ.
Ultimately we will all see God, saved or not, to face his judgement. And we all have loved ones we care for. As Christians we pray they will not suffer eternal death for those we're not certain about. But your question on what happens to someone when they die is one that you or I will not know. Why? The Lord's judgement is between that person and with the Lord. So who knows how God will judge them? But God is ever so merciful and if they had lived with Christ as their savior in their life, then eternal life is assured for that person.
Peace
Humble Bob
QUOTE(len @ Dec 23 2005, 12:23 PM)
What does bible say about death. I have seen some of my very close people dying. I understand that in a certain period of time may be less than 6 months the soul knows that it is leaving the body. Many things is talked over, many things get done....lots of things. I think in a numbered days like 48 or 24 definetly that person may know he is going to die. Close people gets dreams of dead one receving them. When one of my close person died I had a dream even 3 years before that a person is becoming widow. My aunty had a dream that the persons mother is restless( She died years ago). Many many things.... Even after death there is a feeling that soul is around for sometime. I went to psychic to call my close person who died. The psychic explianed to me the exact mentality the person had when he died ( leaving his family). For a 3 minutes what the psychic told was exactly what of my close person died.
It is clear that a person who beleive in christ live with God thereafter. What happens to a good person who did not know christ????. There can be many arguements with this statement..... everyone who live in this earth will know christ. My immediate answer please visit and stay there for a even short period of time in countries like srilanka, India and other south asian countries. You can see loads of people die with a mask. From their birth they have a mask on their face. Till their death that mask becomes one of their organ.
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It is clear that a person who beleive in christ live with God thereafter. What happens to a good person who did not know christ????. There can be many arguements with this statement..... everyone who live in this earth will know christ. My immediate answer please visit and stay there for a even short period of time in countries like srilanka, India and other south asian countries. You can see loads of people die with a mask. From their birth they have a mask on their face. Till their death that mask becomes one of their organ.
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Death is separation from God, God is life and Light and Spirit. When a person dies their body goes into the grave and the breath of life from God goes back into the air where God’s throne is. Everyone who has died in Christ is in the grave or tomb separated from life, awaiting the return of Christ and the resurrection from the dead or non existence. Every one who has died without the Hope of Christ will stay in outer darkness or non existence for eternity.
In His Truth
Spirit Covenant
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What does bible say about death. I have seen some of my very close people dying. I understand that in a certain period of time may be less than 6 months the soul knows that it is leaving the body. Many things is talked over, many things get done....lots of things. I think in a numbered days like 48 or 24 definetly that person may know he is going to die. Close people gets dreams of dead one receving them. When one of my close person died I had a dream even 3 years before that a person is becoming widow. My aunty had a dream that the persons mother is restless( She died years ago). Many many things.... Even after death there is a feeling that soul is around for sometime. I went to psychic to call my close person who died. The psychic explianed to me the exact mentality the person had when he died ( leaving his family). For a 3 minutes what the psychic told was exactly what of my close person died.
It is clear that a person who beleive in christ live with God thereafter. What happens to a good person who did not know christ????. There can be many arguements with this statement..... everyone who live in this earth will know christ. My immediate answer please visit and stay there for a even short period of time in countries like srilanka, India and other south asian countries. You can see loads of people die with a mask. From their birth they have a mask on their face. Till their death that mask becomes one of their organ.
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It is clear that a person who beleive in christ live with God thereafter. What happens to a good person who did not know christ????. There can be many arguements with this statement..... everyone who live in this earth will know christ. My immediate answer please visit and stay there for a even short period of time in countries like srilanka, India and other south asian countries. You can see loads of people die with a mask. From their birth they have a mask on their face. Till their death that mask becomes one of their organ.
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Death is separation from God, God is life and Light and Spirit. When a person dies their body goes into the grave and the breath of life from God goes back into the air where God’s throne is. Everyone who has died in Christ is in the grave or tomb separated from life, awaiting the return of Christ and the resurrection from the dead or non existence. Every one who has died without the Hope of Christ will stay in outer darkness or non existence for eternity.
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Well put!
Spirit Covenant welcome!! Here is an introduction thread where you can find out about others and we would love to hear more about you!!
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=2722
Glad you're here!
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Hello and peace be with you....We are 3, body, soul and spirit. When we die our body goes back to the ground, our spirit goes to God and our soul sleeps until the day the Lord comes. The soul is what the devil tries to condemn. The soul will either enter heaven or hell. I hope this helps you in your journey of seeking and searching.
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This is only true if the Spirit that makes you move is the Spirit of God. The Spirit of man trying to understand God, is not the Spirit of God and the Spirit of man pretending is not the Spirit of God. This is how you will know those who have the Spirit of God. God will bear witness of them by His power.
John 14
12 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also
John 10
37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;
38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
Mark 16
17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;
18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."
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Hello and peace be with you....We are 3, body, soul and spirit. When we die our body goes back to the ground, our spirit goes to God and our soul sleeps until the day the Lord comes. The soul is what the devil tries to condemn. The soul will either enter heaven or hell. I hope this helps you in your journey of seeking and searching.
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This is only true if the Spirit that makes you move is the Spirit of God. The Spirit of man trying to understand God, is not the Spirit of God and the Spirit of man pretending is not the Spirit of God. This is how you will know those who have the Spirit of God. God will bear witness of them by His power.
John 14
12 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also
John 10
37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;
38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
Mark 16
17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;
18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."
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This is only true if the Spirit that makes you move is the Spirit of God. The Spirit of man trying to understand God, is not the Spirit of God and the Spirit of man pretending is not the Spirit of God. This is how you will know those who have the Spirit of God. God will bear witness of them by His power.
John 14
12 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also
John 10
37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;
38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
Mark 16
17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;
18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."
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Then what need is there for a resurection from the dead? Your soul, if you are Christ's is writen in Heaven awaiting the resurection from the dead at Christ's return. Heaven is God's throne where God who is Spirit sits and the earth is His footstool. Heaven is the airiel heavens with all things visable in it. Heaven and God are Here, all around you. Here is some scripture to help you understand.
2Ki 6
17 And Elisha prayed, and said, "Lord, I pray, open his eyes that he may see." Then the Lord opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw. And behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
Christ arose from the dead back to life. Life as we know it. Not some other world off somewhere else called heaven. Christ did not ascend into heaven at death He ascended up into the sky (heaven) after being brought back to life.
1 Corinthians 15
12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up--if in fact the dead do not rise.
16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
This may be where you are getting tripped up. You need to understand the true meaning of heaven and hell.
Heaven is the sky Gods throne where the Spirit of God sits.
Hell is the grave complete with coruption (rotting) and death.
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OK, I am confused. What is the difference between the spirit and the soul? And please use small words. LOL
Your mind is the part you think with, its your soul. It is being saved all the time. You read the Word and your mind (soul) gets renewed all the time.
Your spirit gets reborn when you accept Jesus. Your spirit is the immortal part of you .That is the part that the Holy Spirit indwells. Its clean when you are reborn.Jesus can live there.Its the real you.
Your fleshly part is your mind that wants to do the old stuff, but with God's help will change and come to be like the Word id you wash it with the Word all the time.
Both spirit and soul, rides around in your body.
Your spirit gets reborn when you accept Jesus. Your spirit is the immortal part of you .That is the part that the Holy Spirit indwells. Its clean when you are reborn.Jesus can live there.Its the real you.
Your fleshly part is your mind that wants to do the old stuff, but with God's help will change and come to be like the Word id you wash it with the Word all the time.
Both spirit and soul, rides around in your body.
I to am confuse between the difference between a person's spirit and soul. Can anyone give scripture that explains the difference of these that are in a person if indeed we DO have a spirit and a soul? I had always thought they are the same but I could be wrong 
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Its a good idea Bob. Maybe we can all go look and bring what we find to this thread. That way we can all learn and understand.
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here is a start. Something I found.
The direct answer to your question is, yes, the believer does consist of body, soul, and spirit…and much more. What precisely are the differences between the soul and spirit? Scripture isn’t entirely clear; the meanings seem to overlap in some areas. There is a difference between the two, that is clear, "For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart” (Hebrews 4:12).
Don't you feel that some part of you is fighting against the flesh. My thoughts (mind) will bring a picture to me that is of the flesh. Then I find that inside of me there is something that does not agree with it. Now I take that to be my spirit.It cannot be my mind, because my mind is telling me something different Both these are residing in my body..or so it seems. The spirit , well I don't know how bound it really is. Phillip was seen by Jesus under the fig tree and Jesus was not close to the tree, so his spirit somehow must have seen Philip. Al very interesting and a bit confusing.
Great question.
The direct answer to your question is, yes, the believer does consist of body, soul, and spirit…and much more. What precisely are the differences between the soul and spirit? Scripture isn’t entirely clear; the meanings seem to overlap in some areas. There is a difference between the two, that is clear, "For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart” (Hebrews 4:12).
Don't you feel that some part of you is fighting against the flesh. My thoughts (mind) will bring a picture to me that is of the flesh. Then I find that inside of me there is something that does not agree with it. Now I take that to be my spirit.It cannot be my mind, because my mind is telling me something different
Both these are residing in my body..or so it seems. The spirit , well I don't know how bound it really is. Phillip was seen by Jesus under the fig tree and Jesus was not close to the tree, so his spirit somehow must have seen Philip. Al very interesting and a bit confusing.Great question.
This is turning out be quite a conundrum, as to how to make this distinction of the soul and the spirit. My search in the KJV shows the words "soul" and "spirit" appears 11 times in the same scripture.
Now, from what I believe is the understanding that the Lord has given me, those that are good things come the Holy Spirit, as we praise the Lord and declare Jesus as Christ. These things come from the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
In many scriptures it is the soul of a person that is named as that part to be forgiven of sin, not the person's spirit.
Psalm 41:4
I said, Lord, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee.
I am inclined to believe that the Holy Spirit is received withing the person's spirit and that sin is received in the soul.
As we all believe, however it is Christ that forgives the sins of a person thus forgiving the soul. We ask daily of Christ for forgiveness because we can sin in advertantly.
Numbers 15:28
And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
Of course the above scripture is less complicated for our attonement can be made to Christ directly
Romans 5:11
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Where then does Christ dwell within us? Our Soul or our spirit? Which leads to the prerequisite of this condition, which part receivieth Christ as his or her savior, the soul or the spirit?
I cannot discern within me that it is either my soul that had asked Christ to be my savior or my spirit, though I am inclined to believe it is my spirit for that is the part of me that receives the Holy Spirit, which declares that Jesus is Lord, that in other words my profession is not my own but of the Holy Spirit (I cannot take credit that I declare Christ is Lord, but by the Holy Spirit that dwells in my spirit can such a proclaimation be made). So by the Lord's grace so long that the Holy Spirit dwells in me I am forgiven of my sins, and it is something that one must have faith in. Otherwise to lose faith is to turn back to perdition.
Hebrews 10:38-39
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
And where have we seen that word "perdition"?
John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Many think that Christ was refering to Judas in this passage, but is he? Look here again at this word "perdition"
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Why then should this scripture bring Judas back after Judas had died? Then Christ must not have been referring to Judas in John 17:12. Who then is the son of perdition? Ah, 2 Thessalonians 2:3 says that the son of perdition shall not be seen until there comes a falling away.
Which comes back to the earlier statements. Since it is the soul that is prone to sin it is there that dwells the son of perdition and the Holy Spirit dwells in the spirit.
And now it is easy to understand when one cannot see the son of perdition for it remains hidden when a person denies that this son dwells within their soul, and it is so because that person has not had his or her falling away.
That is why the Christian struggles, that two sons struggle within us from the begining, one having a rightful birth place as being the first born (sin), but the second shall obtain the right of being first born and blessed (salvation). Though there is still a struggle with rigteousness, and it shall be until we are blessed. What is that blessing? That we have the falling away.
Earlier before I posted this the Lord shewed me to read the story of Jacob, that he was born second to Esau, but Jacob bartered for Esau's birth right and then he received Esau's blessing from his father Issac. Further yet Jacob wrestled the angel and was blessed when he over came the angel but Jacob suffered the injury to his hip; that he had a falling away, for it caused him to walk with difficulty!
It all fits! Read the story of Jacob, it all fits! Praise the Lord Jesus!
Now, from what I believe is the understanding that the Lord has given me, those that are good things come the Holy Spirit, as we praise the Lord and declare Jesus as Christ. These things come from the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
In many scriptures it is the soul of a person that is named as that part to be forgiven of sin, not the person's spirit.
Psalm 41:4
I said, Lord, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee.
I am inclined to believe that the Holy Spirit is received withing the person's spirit and that sin is received in the soul.
As we all believe, however it is Christ that forgives the sins of a person thus forgiving the soul. We ask daily of Christ for forgiveness because we can sin in advertantly.
Numbers 15:28
And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
Of course the above scripture is less complicated for our attonement can be made to Christ directly
Romans 5:11
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Where then does Christ dwell within us? Our Soul or our spirit? Which leads to the prerequisite of this condition, which part receivieth Christ as his or her savior, the soul or the spirit?
I cannot discern within me that it is either my soul that had asked Christ to be my savior or my spirit, though I am inclined to believe it is my spirit for that is the part of me that receives the Holy Spirit, which declares that Jesus is Lord, that in other words my profession is not my own but of the Holy Spirit (I cannot take credit that I declare Christ is Lord, but by the Holy Spirit that dwells in my spirit can such a proclaimation be made). So by the Lord's grace so long that the Holy Spirit dwells in me I am forgiven of my sins, and it is something that one must have faith in. Otherwise to lose faith is to turn back to perdition.
Hebrews 10:38-39
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
And where have we seen that word "perdition"?
John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Many think that Christ was refering to Judas in this passage, but is he? Look here again at this word "perdition"
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Why then should this scripture bring Judas back after Judas had died? Then Christ must not have been referring to Judas in John 17:12. Who then is the son of perdition? Ah, 2 Thessalonians 2:3 says that the son of perdition shall not be seen until there comes a falling away.
Which comes back to the earlier statements. Since it is the soul that is prone to sin it is there that dwells the son of perdition and the Holy Spirit dwells in the spirit.
And now it is easy to understand when one cannot see the son of perdition for it remains hidden when a person denies that this son dwells within their soul, and it is so because that person has not had his or her falling away.
That is why the Christian struggles, that two sons struggle within us from the begining, one having a rightful birth place as being the first born (sin), but the second shall obtain the right of being first born and blessed (salvation). Though there is still a struggle with rigteousness, and it shall be until we are blessed. What is that blessing? That we have the falling away.
Earlier before I posted this the Lord shewed me to read the story of Jacob, that he was born second to Esau, but Jacob bartered for Esau's birth right and then he received Esau's blessing from his father Issac. Further yet Jacob wrestled the angel and was blessed when he over came the angel but Jacob suffered the injury to his hip; that he had a falling away, for it caused him to walk with difficulty!
It all fits! Read the story of Jacob, it all fits! Praise the Lord Jesus!
Somewhere in the bible is the words spirit of Jesus used by one of the desciples. And somewhere else it is written, 'What you bind on earth is bound in heaven and what you loose on earth is loosed in heaven.' There was many prophesies concerning the coming of the son of man in the old testament and the deuterocanonicals and the apocrypha which were the written bibles in the time of Jesus. In the Psalms or Proverbs there is a description of a virgin giving birth to the son of man and called his name Immanuel, the Prince of Peace. That was repeated in Matthew, maybe. I am trying to find a verse saying that you cannot bind the spirit. When Jesus appeared to Thomas after the crucifixion, He said, 'Put forth thy hand into my side and feel my hands and do not doubt it is me.' But to Mary he said, 'Do not hold on to me for I have not ascended to my Father.' Maybe somewhere that explains about spirit, soul, and body.
Gosh. 
I want to say something....I hope I do not offend anyone. But, one of the times I almost died from Lupus....the doctor was in the next room waiting for me to die. He knew I was dying. I knew I was dying. My family knew I was dying.
I was praying that my husband would marry a nice lady who would love my children and praying for my family. My eyes were closed. Then I felt some come into in the room with me....I opened my eyes and Jesus was standing at the foot of my bed. I was trying to leave my body....for the first time in my life....I knew that my body was a container for my spirit. But, I could not leave my body. I wanted to go to Jesus....he said, "No. It is not your time to go. You will be okay. You have a mission to complete. You can't come now its not your time." The love that was in His eyes was so strong....I wanted to go with him. But, I could not. He smiled at me and then he disappeared.
After He left the nurses came into my room and took my vital signs. I was perfect. This shocked the nurses....they came back with more nurses....and took my vital signs....then they all left and came back with the doctor. He took my vital signs....he said, "I don't know what the heck happen Mrs. S but you can go home tomarrow." The next day he told me that I should have died. My heart was inflamed, my temp was 104, he could barely get my pulse, and he could barly get my blood pressure...and the x-rays showed how bad my heart was.
I believe when you die....your spirit goes to be with Jesus and your body goes into the ground. When Jesus comes back my body will be reunited with my spirit. My old nature I believe is my soul it stays with my body....as our new nature becomes more like Christ and is with my spirit.
I just know that when I die for real next time....no worries....I will be with Jesus.....I won't be in the ground sleeping.....I will be with him in my spirit. Before I almost died....I always worried about being in the gournd. Now I don't worry about it...for I know I will be with him in a twinkling of an eye when I die. I just know that I know that I know.
God Bless. marie<><
I want to say something....I hope I do not offend anyone. But, one of the times I almost died from Lupus....the doctor was in the next room waiting for me to die. He knew I was dying. I knew I was dying. My family knew I was dying.
I was praying that my husband would marry a nice lady who would love my children and praying for my family. My eyes were closed. Then I felt some come into in the room with me....I opened my eyes and Jesus was standing at the foot of my bed. I was trying to leave my body....for the first time in my life....I knew that my body was a container for my spirit. But, I could not leave my body. I wanted to go to Jesus....he said, "No. It is not your time to go. You will be okay. You have a mission to complete. You can't come now its not your time." The love that was in His eyes was so strong....I wanted to go with him. But, I could not. He smiled at me and then he disappeared.
After He left the nurses came into my room and took my vital signs. I was perfect. This shocked the nurses....they came back with more nurses....and took my vital signs....then they all left and came back with the doctor. He took my vital signs....he said, "I don't know what the heck happen Mrs. S but you can go home tomarrow." The next day he told me that I should have died. My heart was inflamed, my temp was 104, he could barely get my pulse, and he could barly get my blood pressure...and the x-rays showed how bad my heart was.
I believe when you die....your spirit goes to be with Jesus and your body goes into the ground. When Jesus comes back my body will be reunited with my spirit. My old nature I believe is my soul it stays with my body....as our new nature becomes more like Christ and is with my spirit.
I just know that when I die for real next time....no worries....I will be with Jesus.....I won't be in the ground sleeping.....I will be with him in my spirit. Before I almost died....I always worried about being in the gournd. Now I don't worry about it...for I know I will be with him in a twinkling of an eye when I die. I just know that I know that I know. God Bless.
marie<><QUOTE(God's Lamb @ Mar 16 2006, 08:19 PM)
Gosh.
I want to say something....I hope I do not offend anyone. But, one of the times I almost died from Lupus....the doctor was in the next room waiting for me to die. He knew I was dying. I knew I was dying. My family knew I was dying.
I was praying that my husband would marry a nice lady who would love my children and praying for my family. My eyes were closed. Then I felt some come into in the room with me....I opened my eyes and Jesus was standing at the foot of my bed. I was trying to leave my body....for the first time in my life....I knew that my body was a container for my spirit. But, I could not leave my body. I wanted to go to Jesus....he said, "No. It is not your time to go. You will be okay. You have a mission to complete. You can't come now its not your time." The love that was in His eyes was so strong....I wanted to go with him. But, I could not. He smiled at me and then he disappeared.
After He left the nurses came into my room and took my vital signs. I was perfect. This shocked the nurses....they came back with more nurses....and took my vital signs....then they all left and came back with the doctor. He took my vital signs....he said, "I don't know what the heck happen Mrs. S but you can go home tomarrow." The next day he told me that I should have died. My heart was inflamed, my temp was 104, he could barely get my pulse, and he could barly get my blood pressure...and the x-rays showed how bad my heart was.
I believe when you die....your spirit goes to be with Jesus and your body goes into the ground. When Jesus comes back my body will be reunited with my spirit. My old nature I believe is my soul it stays with my body....as our new nature becomes more like Christ and is with my spirit. I just know that when I die for real next time....no worries....I will be with Jesus.....I won't be in the ground sleeping.....I will be with him in my spirit. Before I almost died....I always worried about being in the gournd. Now I don't worry about it...for I know I will be with him in a twinkling of an eye when I die. I just know that I know that I know.
God Bless. marie<><
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I want to say something....I hope I do not offend anyone. But, one of the times I almost died from Lupus....the doctor was in the next room waiting for me to die. He knew I was dying. I knew I was dying. My family knew I was dying.
I was praying that my husband would marry a nice lady who would love my children and praying for my family. My eyes were closed. Then I felt some come into in the room with me....I opened my eyes and Jesus was standing at the foot of my bed. I was trying to leave my body....for the first time in my life....I knew that my body was a container for my spirit. But, I could not leave my body. I wanted to go to Jesus....he said, "No. It is not your time to go. You will be okay. You have a mission to complete. You can't come now its not your time." The love that was in His eyes was so strong....I wanted to go with him. But, I could not. He smiled at me and then he disappeared.
After He left the nurses came into my room and took my vital signs. I was perfect. This shocked the nurses....they came back with more nurses....and took my vital signs....then they all left and came back with the doctor. He took my vital signs....he said, "I don't know what the heck happen Mrs. S but you can go home tomarrow." The next day he told me that I should have died. My heart was inflamed, my temp was 104, he could barely get my pulse, and he could barly get my blood pressure...and the x-rays showed how bad my heart was.
I believe when you die....your spirit goes to be with Jesus and your body goes into the ground. When Jesus comes back my body will be reunited with my spirit. My old nature I believe is my soul it stays with my body....as our new nature becomes more like Christ and is with my spirit.
I just know that when I die for real next time....no worries....I will be with Jesus.....I won't be in the ground sleeping.....I will be with him in my spirit. Before I almost died....I always worried about being in the gournd. Now I don't worry about it...for I know I will be with him in a twinkling of an eye when I die. I just know that I know that I know. God Bless.
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Oh Bless your heart my dear Marie.
Thank you for sharing your testimony!
Oh God just knew you are still needed.
With what you have just said should make any nonbeliever,
drop to their knees and come to the saving power of our Lord and Saviour.
You know I have been praying for you Marie.
Yesterday, I opened my bible and your name came right to my eyes.
I have sister and brothers that I right down and want to keep praying for.
Yesterday I heard God say-pray for Marie, she is loved by many.
I have been praying for a healing for you.
With your wonderful Christ like attitude Marie, you can go through anything.
I admire your strength. God has blessed you with this I know.
We are blessed that you are still here, sharing your faith with us.
God bless you my sister-you really are special.
Marie,
The forum never ceases to surprise me....
I won't think you are off if you don't think I am. I was in horrible pain. Not physical or spiritual but in my soul. I went out to the porch swing to sit in the sunshine, trying to lift my own thoughts and He said "Look" and there He was...in the other rocker. Call me crazy....but the feeling of hopelessness inability left and even now it flees when I remember.
Lord God, I never thought I'd tell anyone! Voices are one thing but images....
As far as the "three in one" (not to be mixed up with the Three in One), I have always thought of the body as a wonderful, living machine borrowed from the earth's makeup. Actually, if you study it, it has the same proportions as perfectly balanced soil.
The spirit always ment life force. It is the thing that all life has and the thing that alllife shares so that all life is bound as one thing at that level. So that, if we do not praise God, the rock and hills would cry out to fill the void. We are bound to every living thing and they to us (kind of an Indian thing). Upon death, that life force returns to the Father since it is not ours but His. Trees and grass, things that live and grow, have spirit. But not everything has soul.
The soul, I always thought, was that which make us uniquely us. I am not you and you are not me. This remains forever. At death, it waits for the "last trump" or whatever when Jesus calls the dead from the grave. There would be no need to call anyoe from the grave if they weren't in there still. It is rightous and unrightous too. That part waits. And sleeping, when they arise I am pretty sure they will think they "just died".
leia
The forum never ceases to surprise me....
I won't think you are off if you don't think I am. I was in horrible pain. Not physical or spiritual but in my soul. I went out to the porch swing to sit in the sunshine, trying to lift my own thoughts and He said "Look" and there He was...in the other rocker. Call me crazy....but the feeling of hopelessness inability left and even now it flees when I remember.
Lord God, I never thought I'd tell anyone! Voices are one thing but images....
As far as the "three in one" (not to be mixed up with the Three in One), I have always thought of the body as a wonderful, living machine borrowed from the earth's makeup. Actually, if you study it, it has the same proportions as perfectly balanced soil.
The spirit always ment life force. It is the thing that all life has and the thing that alllife shares so that all life is bound as one thing at that level. So that, if we do not praise God, the rock and hills would cry out to fill the void. We are bound to every living thing and they to us (kind of an Indian thing). Upon death, that life force returns to the Father since it is not ours but His. Trees and grass, things that live and grow, have spirit. But not everything has soul.
The soul, I always thought, was that which make us uniquely us. I am not you and you are not me. This remains forever. At death, it waits for the "last trump" or whatever when Jesus calls the dead from the grave. There would be no need to call anyoe from the grave if they weren't in there still. It is rightous and unrightous too. That part waits. And sleeping, when they arise I am pretty sure they will think they "just died".
leia
QUOTE(leia @ Mar 16 2006, 09:20 PM)
Marie,
The forum never ceases to surprise me....
I won't think you are off if you don't think I am. I was in horrible pain. Not physical or spiritual but in my soul. I went out to the porch swing to sit in the sunshine, trying to lift my own thoughts and He said "Look" and there He was...in the other rocker. Call me crazy....but the feeling of hopelessness inability left and even now it flees when I remember.
Lord God, I never thought I'd tell anyone! Voices are one thing but images....
As far as the "three in one" (not to be mixed up with the Three in One), I have always thought of the body as a wonderful, living machine borrowed from the earth's makeup. Actually, if you study it, it has the same proportions as perfectly balanced soil.
The spirit always ment life force. It is the thing that all life has and the thing that alllife shares so that all life is bound as one thing at that level. So that, if we do not praise God, the rock and hills would cry out to fill the void. We are bound to every living thing and they to us (kind of an Indian thing). Upon death, that life force returns to the Father since it is not ours but His. Trees and grass, things that live and grow, have spirit. But not everything has soul.
The soul, I always thought, was that which make us uniquely us. I am not you and you are not me. This remains forever. At death, it waits for the "last trump" or whatever when Jesus calls the dead from the grave. There would be no need to call anyoe from the grave if they weren't in there still. It is rightous and unrightous too. That part waits. And sleeping, when they arise I am pretty sure they will think they "just died".
leia
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The forum never ceases to surprise me....
I won't think you are off if you don't think I am. I was in horrible pain. Not physical or spiritual but in my soul. I went out to the porch swing to sit in the sunshine, trying to lift my own thoughts and He said "Look" and there He was...in the other rocker. Call me crazy....but the feeling of hopelessness inability left and even now it flees when I remember.
Lord God, I never thought I'd tell anyone! Voices are one thing but images....
As far as the "three in one" (not to be mixed up with the Three in One), I have always thought of the body as a wonderful, living machine borrowed from the earth's makeup. Actually, if you study it, it has the same proportions as perfectly balanced soil.
The spirit always ment life force. It is the thing that all life has and the thing that alllife shares so that all life is bound as one thing at that level. So that, if we do not praise God, the rock and hills would cry out to fill the void. We are bound to every living thing and they to us (kind of an Indian thing). Upon death, that life force returns to the Father since it is not ours but His. Trees and grass, things that live and grow, have spirit. But not everything has soul.
The soul, I always thought, was that which make us uniquely us. I am not you and you are not me. This remains forever. At death, it waits for the "last trump" or whatever when Jesus calls the dead from the grave. There would be no need to call anyoe from the grave if they weren't in there still. It is rightous and unrightous too. That part waits. And sleeping, when they arise I am pretty sure they will think they "just died".
leia
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I believe you Leia, I don't think you are off, you are right on with Jesus.
My children have had visions.
I know God can do anything.
You are blessed Leia.
Thanks for sharing that.
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OK, I am confused. What is the difference between the spirit and the soul? And please use small words. LOL
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The way I see it is that Man has a soul and a body. When he dies his body goes into the grave and his soul goes to paradise to be with Jesus, as in the thief on the cross. The great multitude in Rev 7 are also an example of souls in heaven.
A soul which is departed from the body is also called a ghost. Therefore in the case of Jesus when he died he "gave up the ghost" It is this Holy Ghost which dwells in Christians today.
These souls are not complete. They are disembodied and are waiting for the resurrection when they will be given a changed and immortal body. Christ only had to wait for three days for his. The rest of us must wait until Jesus' return when we will all be changed in a twinkling of an eye at the last trump.
God made man perfect on the day of creation with a perfect body and a perfect soul. When man sinned his soul died even though his body continued to live. This soul is dead by the virtue of the fact that it is seperated and alienated from God.
When a Christian believes in Jesus, repents and is baptised his soul is reborn and regenerated as a new alive soul fully reconciled with God. At the same time the Holy Spirit of God dwells with us together within our body. In this way the regenerate human soul also called the spirit (lowercase s in the KJV) and the Holy Spirit (uppercase S in the KJV) dwell together in unity in the human body which until the resurrection will remain carnal and subject to all manner of lusts, temptations, corruptions and death.
A scripture to evidence this dwelling together of the human spirit and God's Holy Spirit is shown in Romans 8:16 "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:". Notice the use of the capitilisation in the KJV.
In the case of a sinner. When he dies his body descends into the grave and his soul departs into hell where he is tormented until the judgement day when he is resurrected to the resurrection of damnation and his body and dead soul is destroyed forever more. Matt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. His punishment is total, permament and everlasting.
There are one or two scriptures which speak of "soul and spirit". As an example 1 Thess 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I do not think that these are used in this context in order to make a distinction between them but rather to make the point that the soul of man is of a higher order than the soul of animals.
An animal has a soul in the sense of a "breath of life" which makes its flesh live and breathe and have a very limited intelligence and instinct. A man, made in the image of God has a far more sophisticated soul and is imbued with considerable intelligence, individuality, goals and dreams, passions, emotions, appreciation for beauty etc. So the term "soul" in this sense describes the mans most basic soulish aspects of life, breath and human survival instincts; whereas the term spirit refers to those extra properties given to man such as intelligence, individuality, personhood etc.
Therefore when it says "Gen 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." it is not saying that he gave him two spirits, but just the one spirit which imparted the breath of life along with all the patterns and characteristics of an individual man made in God's image. The fact that there are only two parts to a human soul and body is made plain in Matt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
This distinction between the soul and the spirit is explained by John Darby in his commentary
http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.php?com=drby&b=52&c=5
What about scripture that says surely the living will not go before the dead. first the earth will give up her dead then the sea will give up her dead and THEN we shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye?
But it does say "when the dead shall rise...."
We have been through this before and it still confuses me. Probably doesn't matter one way or the other...rearrainging chairs while the ship is going down...but I don't have much to do today (except a birthday party for a 98 year old friend!).
leia
But it does say "when the dead shall rise...."
We have been through this before and it still confuses me. Probably doesn't matter one way or the other...rearrainging chairs while the ship is going down...but I don't have much to do today (except a birthday party for a 98 year old friend!).
leia
QUOTE(len @ Dec 23 2005, 02:23 PM)
What does bible say about death. I have seen some of my very close people dying. I understand that in a certain period of time may be less than 6 months the soul knows that it is leaving the body. Many things is talked over, many things get done....lots of things. I think in a numbered days like 48 or 24 definetly that person may know he is going to die. Close people gets dreams of dead one receving them. When one of my close person died I had a dream even 3 years before that a person is becoming widow. My aunty had a dream that the persons mother is restless( She died years ago). Many many things.... Even after death there is a feeling that soul is around for sometime. I went to psychic to call my close person who died. The psychic explianed to me the exact mentality the person had when he died ( leaving his family). For a 3 minutes what the psychic told was exactly what of my close person died.
It is clear that a person who beleive in christ live with God thereafter. What happens to a good person who did not know christ????. There can be many arguements with this statement..... everyone who live in this earth will know christ. My immediate answer please visit and stay there for a even short period of time in countries like srilanka, India and other south asian countries. You can see loads of people die with a mask. From their birth they have a mask on their face. Till their death that mask becomes one of their organ.
what happens when the sould leaves the body. what does bible say about this
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It is clear that a person who beleive in christ live with God thereafter. What happens to a good person who did not know christ????. There can be many arguements with this statement..... everyone who live in this earth will know christ. My immediate answer please visit and stay there for a even short period of time in countries like srilanka, India and other south asian countries. You can see loads of people die with a mask. From their birth they have a mask on their face. Till their death that mask becomes one of their organ.
what happens when the sould leaves the body. what does bible say about this
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I do not believe the soul will leave the body until the soul knows where it is going and how it is going to get there and there is some truth to your statement about seeing loved ones in dreams but I believe they have to have seen them when they were alive so that they have the impression in their minds of what they look like. About the psychic, there are souls that have not departed the realm yet because of one thing or another and contact with these souls is very deadly. Jesus Christ said to Mary, 'Do not hold on to me for I have not yet ascended to my Father.' People, especially psychics, have the ability to register in their own souls the electrical activity that occurs in your brain. That is why they want you to think of the person whom you want to contact. They are not contacting that person, they are contacting you. It would be very hard to explain to you some of the things you ask but let me assure you that when you die you are released from your body, you no longer have that weight and that is what the bible says. And also the bible says we do not know what will be after we die.
QUOTE (len @ Dec 23 2005, 02:23 PM) 
What does bible say about death. I have seen some of my very close people dying. I understand that in a certain period of time may be less than 6 months the soul knows that it is leaving the body. Many things is talked over, many things get done....lots of things. I think in a numbered days like 48 or 24 definetly that person may know he is going to die. Close people gets dreams of dead one receving them. When one of my close person died I had a dream even 3 years before that a person is becoming widow. My aunty had a dream that the persons mother is restless( She died years ago). Many many things.... Even after death there is a feeling that soul is around for sometime. I went to psychic to call my close person who died. The psychic explianed to me the exact mentality the person had when he died ( leaving his family). For a 3 minutes what the psychic told was exactly what of my close person died.
It is clear that a person who beleive in christ live with God thereafter. What happens to a good person who did not know christ????. There can be many arguements with this statement..... everyone who live in this earth will know christ. My immediate answer please visit and stay there for a even short period of time in countries like srilanka, India and other south asian countries. You can see loads of people die with a mask. From their birth they have a mask on their face. Till their death that mask becomes one of their organ.
what happens when the sould leaves the body. what does bible say about this
It is clear that a person who beleive in christ live with God thereafter. What happens to a good person who did not know christ????. There can be many arguements with this statement..... everyone who live in this earth will know christ. My immediate answer please visit and stay there for a even short period of time in countries like srilanka, India and other south asian countries. You can see loads of people die with a mask. From their birth they have a mask on their face. Till their death that mask becomes one of their organ.
what happens when the sould leaves the body. what does bible say about this
The Last Day - the 8th day of the Feast of Tabernacles picturing the later physical resurrection of the vast majority of humanity who were not resurrected to spirit at the Return of Jesus Christ. (Leviticus 23:39, Revelation 20:5,11-15)
All human beings who have lived and died since Adam and Eve, will be resurrected back to physical life, all mankind will once again be given the oportunity to live again and, this time, come to know the truth, this time, they will be given the oportunity to repent and to become the sons of God in the way that we are given in this age. During the thousand years , the saints in the first resurrection will be preparing the earth to receive the final harvest of all humanity which is pictured by the fall harvest season of the Holy Days. Leviticus 23 speaks of this Last Great Day as the Eighth Day, and in verse 39, in the fifteenth day of the seventh month on the first day shall be a Sabbath to you. The eighth day is referred to as the Great Day in John 7:37, In the last day that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, if any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink, Truly it will be a great day because it ushers in the resurrection of all human kind that has lived and died and never yet has had the opportunity to be converted, these people are spoken of in Ezekiel 37, God identifies these dead people in verse 11,as the whole house of Israel:, and in verse 12, Therefore prophesy and say unto them thus saith the Lord God, Behold, O my people, I will open you graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, God will be preparing the earth for 1000 years, to receive these many billions of people that are going to be resurrected in that last Great Day of humanity, It is refered by some as a new beginning. God makes it available to all human kind to receive everlasting life, verse 14, and shall put My Spirit in you, and ye shall live. There are seven annual Holy Days which are called High Day Sabbaths, these annual High Sabbaths teach us the plan of God which is designed to save all humankind, these Sabbath days are of great importance and without observing them it is truly impossible to understand the plan that God is working out, God said: Speak saying, verily My Sabbath ye shall keep it is a sign between Me and thee through out all your generations,that ye may know that I Am the Lord which sanctify you. and of course there is the weekly Sabbath, You shall keep my Sabbath therefore: for it is holy unto you. Everyone that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people,verse 17:, the Sabbath day is a sign between Me and you forever. Your Bible plainly says that the SIGN BETWEEN GOD AND HIS PEOPLE or the "mark", on God's people is the Sabbath day.
Last Great Day: Resurrection of all the dead who never knew the truth; all will then have an opportunity for salvation.
Pictures the coming "Great White Throne Judgment" at which all of humanity not previously called will have the chance to hear the True Gospel and accept salvation.
The Last Day - the 8th day of the Feast of Tabernacles picturing the later physical resurrection of the vast majority of humanity who were not resurrected to spirit at the Return of Jesus Christ. (Leviticus 23:39, Revelation 20:5,11-15)
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