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Tzeitel
It seems that every organization today has its own identifier or symbol, usually shown as a graphic based logo which appears on equipment, transport, buildings, manufactured products, advertising, and everything else that can be personalized. Unfortunately, that trend also applies to less acceptable organizations around the world as well.

These logos or insignia are now de rigour in religious, spiritual and political groups. As we live out these "last of the last days" we have seen a proliferation of devices which have come into general use but are nothing less than demonic.

The purpose of this article is to inform and educate as many Christians as possible of the meaning behind each one we illustrate, and to emphasize the dangers of wearing these logos or devices if you are thinking of purchasing T Shirts, jewellery, giftware or other items with these symbols. For the Christian, the possession or display of such a device is idolatry, whether done inadvertently or on purpose, because it clearly breaks the second commandment of the Ten Commandments revealed in Exodus 20:3-5

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PEACE SYMBOL
This Cross of Nero represents an upside down crucifixion. Roman soldiers carried this symbol when they destroyed Jerusalem in AD70. Saracens and Russian Bolsheviks have used it, and the Communists branded Jews and Gypsies with it.

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RAINBOW BRIDGE
The rainbow has become the symbol of the New Age movement symbolizing the building of a bridge between Lucifer and mankind. This rips-off God's powerful sign in the rainbow that no flood would occur again. Look for reverse colour order or just 3- 6 colours only.

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YING & YANG
Symbolizes the existence of invisible energy lines called "Ch'i". This energy is controlled by Ying & Yang, two opposites yet with harmonizing ability. So we have positive, negative; male, female; light, dark; good, evil etc. This belief comes from Taoist religion and teaching, and is therefore idolatrous.

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EYE OF HORUS
This is familiar as the all-seeing eye of Lucifer which appears in the capstone of the US $1 bill. This symbol is freely used in New Age and Masonic circles, by the Illuminati, and even appears on the altar wall of the Catholic Church of the Annunciation in Nazareth! Particularly dangerous as the eye is stylized into innocent looking jewellery as illustrated.

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SQUARE AND COMPASS
The universal symbol of Masonry. Although denied by them, this is a religious group, and because the holy book of every religion is accepted equally with the Bible, this clearly labels them as idolators because they break the second Commandment.

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ANKH
The Ankh is the Egyptian symbol of life and fertility and is a powerful occult device. Unbelievably, this device often appears in catalogues of jewellery offered by Christian manufacturers to Christian retail stores! The trap is that it looks for all the world like a stylised cross but it is anything but that.

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PENTACLE
This 5 pointed star enclosed in a circle is held to be a highly magical symbol. If inverted it becomes the goats head symbol of Satanism. The illustrated goats head inside the star is an additional device to call up demons. Either way, the Pentacle or inverted Pentagram have no place in Christian hands.

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SATANIC OR BROKEN "S":
This is the symbol worn by the murderous Secret Service of Nazi Germany. In Greek mythology, this symbol represents a thunderbolt (destruction) from Zeus, another false god. The broken "S" represents the bearer having power over others. No wonder Hitler adopted it as a symbol for the Secret Service - it’s prime evidence of Hitler's fascination and embracement of Satanism.

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BAPHOMET CROSS
This is a stylized cross which looks innocuous enough, but it represents the Egyptian God Osiris, and is the cross of the slain. This symbol appears on the uniform of the 33rd degree Sovereign Grand Pontiff of masonry.

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CHURCH OF SATAN
This symbol appears on the Satanic Bible and is the official logo of Anton La Vey's First Church of Satan in San Francisco, USA. They claim this device has the power to destroy one's enemies. Take note carefully of this design before you buy any jewellery in future. Possessing this symbol is highly dangerous.

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SATANIC CROSS
The holy Cross with an upside down question mark attached to the bottom. The question mark blatently questions Jesus Divinity Many contemporary rock groups flaunt the satanic cross The Romans first used this symbol to question the truth of Christianity.
Leia
CC,

Great post. I don't wear jewlery much except the wedding set (and as you know this mysterious "itching" has taken them off my hand temporarily. How is yours? I may need that shot for real!)

But there are so many others as well....a lovely necklace of just a chain and a rectangle hanging from it with a symbol printed upon it was worn by Nephertiri for Isis and representing her incarnate she had to wear it all the time. I always thought there was something creepy about that simple thing.

The heart, especially a red heart, hanging on a necklance was the begining of the rosary and represented the heart of Baal trinket that the church could not get the pagan to give up murmering over so they tried to "christianise" it.

The ones you put in are used to describe who you think you are or associate with. And I fully agree with the label idea. Christians who sport the shirt with TOMMY across the front are just saying they are able to have what they consider the best. Clothes become the person and that is idolatry when scripture advocates modest dress.

But there are seemingly harmless trinkets as well and I find the more of them I research and cleanse from my life the more blessed I become....don't do it for the blessings, but they seem to naturally flow from the cleansing.

leia
bogoy
no offence but before you say something about satanic symbols they dont exist symbols only have meaning only when you place meaning on them like a pentacle it can either be a christmas symbol or whitchcraft or just a star or just simply a polygon or just lines forming up and before you say something about the ying and yang know this taoism is a LIFESTYLE and if you know the lifestyle it would to be better than christianity they can heal the cripple they can even exorcise can the church do that no they can exorcise but they cant save many there are a thousand possesions but only a hundred can be saved can they keep peace among them no but taoist believe in harmony within themselves and in others so thus doing what jesus asked us to do "love your neighbors as you love yourself"
and chi is the source of life it is also representing god the unmeasurable force the continuing union of good and evil the balance of this world no one can interpret this symbol because it is continueosly spinning and jesus didnt tell us to use the cross as a symbol for him before you know it the cross is the symbol of death when the jews see this symbol before they will see death because it is used by the romans and the cross is also a letter "t" dont tell me that its satanic! jesus only used this symbol in order for us to remember what he has sacrificed for us and the cross only became the symbol for christainity only when constantine became emperor of rome and declared christianity as its state religion. i am a tai chi martial artist i can focus chi use it to heal myself dont tell me i'm satanic YOU ALL WOULDNT KNOW SATAN IF STARED YOU IN fACE



WHY DO YOU LIMIT GOD WITH SYMBOLS FOR GOD HAS NO BOUNDARIES HE IS THE CHI THE INVINSIBLE FORCE THE SOURCE OF LIFE DEMONS NEED SYMBOLS FOR US TO PUT MEANING AND TO BLINDED FROM TRUTH THERE IS NO SYMBOL FOR GOD FOR HE IS THE CREATOR excl.gif
Leia
QUOTE(bogoy @ Dec 2 2005, 06:46 AM)
no offence but before you say something about satanic symbols they dont exist symbols only have meaning only when you place meaning on them like a pentacle it can either be a christmas symbol or whitchcraft or just a star or just simply a polygon or just lines forming up and before you say something about the ying and yang know this taoism is a LIFESTYLE
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Do you remember from scripture the way God feels about having idol in and around your house?

Let's take that wonderful Christmas tree. Just they way you feel about it?

I believe that would be like saying you are God of your life and there anre no rules unless you feel them.

Remember the promised land when God's people were at the threshold and God sent three thousand of them to their gaves and the rest died in the desert? Do you remember why? It was the idol. Now the way the FELT about it was that it was a symbol of their God the "brought them out of the land of Eqypt". The were not worshiping false gods, they were worshipping the One True God. Yet they had with them a pagan symbol in the worship and they were destroyed and kept from the promised land because of it.

Be careful what you allow in your worship, God has rules and you can read them plainly in scripture how He feels about idols whether YOU fell about them or not.

God makes the rules, not us.

leia
bogoy
QUOTE(Leia @ Dec 2 2005, 09:25 PM)
QUOTE(bogoy @ Dec 2 2005, 06:46 AM)
no offence but before you say something about satanic symbols they dont exist symbols only have meaning only when you place meaning on them like a pentacle it can either be a christmas symbol or whitchcraft or just a star or just simply a polygon or just lines forming up and before you say something about the ying and yang know this taoism is a LIFESTYLE
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Do you remember from scripture the way God feels about having idol in and around your house?

Let's take that wonderful Christmas tree. Just they way you feel about it?

I believe that would be like saying you are God of your life and there anre no rules unless you feel them.

Remember the promised land when God's people were at the threshold and God sent three thousand of them to their gaves and the rest died in the desert? Do you remember why? It was the idol. Now the way the FELT about it was that it was a symbol of their God the "brought them out of the land of Eqypt". The were not worshiping false gods, they were worshipping the One True God. Yet they had with them a pagan symbol in the worship and they were destroyed and kept from the promised land because of it.

Be careful what you allow in your worship, God has rules and you can read them plainly in scripture how He feels about idols whether YOU fell about them or not.

God makes the rules, not us.

leia
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then there is no free will then god is violating his own words and promises symbols mean nothing dont tell the old symbol of god is evil man is evil not symbols
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Do you remember from scripture the way God feels about having idol in and around your house?

Let's take that wonderful Christmas tree. Just they way you feel about it?

I believe that would be like saying you are God of your life and there anre no rules unless you feel them.

Remember the promised land when God's people were at the threshold and God sent three thousand of them to their gaves and the rest died in the desert? Do you remember why? It was the idol. Now the way the FELT about it was that it was a symbol of their God the "brought them out of the land of Eqypt". The were not worshiping false gods, they were worshipping the One True God. Yet they had with them a pagan symbol in the worship and they were destroyed and kept from the promised land because of it.

Be careful what you allow in your worship, God has rules and you can read them plainly in scripture how He feels about idols whether YOU fell about them or not.

God makes the rules, not us.

leia
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do you not know they were worshiping baal? do you not know they said "moses is lying to us there is no god let us make ourselves a god of gold"
Leia
Read your scriptures. They were using a statue of a calf but they were worshipping "THE GOD THAT BROUGHT US OUT OF EGYPT, JEHOVAH"

Lord only knows why they chose that particular symbol after seeing it used in so many evil ways, but they did. Read Exodus 32 particularly verses 4, where it says "This is your god of Israel, that brought you out of the the land of Egypt", verse 5, where it says "And aaron made a porclamation and said, "tomorrow is a feast to Jehovah", and verse 8 where God tells Moses that they have built a calf and are calling it by His name.

They knw who "brought them out of Egypt...the next 10 verses tells us they knew who it was and that it was the One God Their God.

But they used a pagan symbol and dies for it.

I don't play God and make the rules, whether I like them or not or whether they make sense or not. God makes they rules and I do them.

Otherwise we are not better than Cain of of who said basically, "Hey, I grew all this stuff with the sweat of my brow and Jehovah should recognise it is good enough" But that was not the sacraficial rules GOD made, whether Cain liked it or not.

leia
Tzeitel
Some scriptures to ponder...

1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He also has rejected you from being king.”

Isaiah 44:9
[ Idolatry Is Foolishness ] Those who make an image, all of them are useless, And their precious things shall not profit; They are their own witnesses; They neither see nor know, that they may be ashamed.

Deuteronomy 7:25
25 The images of their gods you are to burn in the fire. Do not covet the silver and gold on them, and do not take it for yourselves, or you will be ensnared by it, for it is detestable to the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 27:15
15 "Cursed is the man who carves an image or casts an idol—a thing detestable to the LORD, the work of the craftsman's hands—and sets it up in secret." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"

Deuteronomy 32:16
16 They made Him jealous with their foreign gods and angered Him with their detestable idols.
ROSEMBATOMON
QUOTE(Cherrychookie @ Dec 2 2005, 10:49 AM)
Some scriptures to ponder...

1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He also has rejected you from being king.”

Isaiah 44:9
[ Idolatry Is Foolishness ] Those who make an image, all of them are useless, And their precious things shall not profit; They are their own witnesses; They neither see nor know, that they may be ashamed.

Deuteronomy 7:25
25 The images of their gods you are to burn in the fire. Do not covet the silver and gold on them, and do not take it for yourselves, or you will be ensnared by it, for it is detestable to the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 27:15
15 "Cursed is the man who carves an image or casts an idol—a thing detestable to the LORD, the work of the craftsman's hands—and sets it up in secret." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"

Deuteronomy 32:16
16 They made Him jealous with their foreign gods and angered Him with their detestable idols.

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Yes, ponder these scriptures Bogoy !

There is no yin and yang or chi to be found in the Christian Bible; for such are non Christian concepts. You certainly have the free will to make up your mind to either believe in and worship the God of the Chritian Bible or some other beings.

It is written, "my people perish for lack of knowledge". Lets not allow such to happen to us just because we exercise our free will wrongly.

Thank you Cherrychookie for your original post.


Love of Christ.


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praiseHislovingkindness
sleep.gif Amen! Take great care with regard to these symbols! Thank you to those that know the truth! The word is TRUTH so, look at this:

Acts 17:29:

29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

See, we are not to use symbols or icon, etc. Also, see this:

Exodus 20:3-4

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. From the very commandments of God! I take this to mean, fish, doves, etc. You guys let me know what the Holy Spirit witnesses to you regarding this. Please?

Thank you! Love ya! laugh.gif
Tzeitel
Thanks guys!

The reason why I felt it necessary to post this is because of the deception that goes with it. Some of these symbols such as the Ankh has been found in Christian gift catalogues sold as necklaces!! The deception is so 'innocent' sometimes that to the untrained eye or baby Christian, it goes unnoticed.

The new age movement is very popular amongst teenagers more so now than ever before, ying and yang and peace etc but its the ORIGINS of these practices/symbols that we need to be aware of. I only posted a brief description of each symbol otherwise I probably would have crashed the site! laugh.gif

I'll give you a personal example of how the new age movement grieves Our Father. A few years ago I was shopping in a mall with a non christian friend. She wanted to go into one of these new age shops that had everything in it, crystals, symbols, cards, incense etc etc. I thought to myself, "Oh well, what harm can it do". I only last 2 minutes and had to walk out. As soon as I entered I thought my head was going to explode, I got a terrible headache, felt hot and sweaty and wanted to vomit. I had to get out very quickly. You cant tell me that wasnt right???? unsure.gif
Zephaniah
More Symbols ->

Scarab Beetle - The dung beetle which is the Egyptian symbol of reincarnation. It is also a symbol of of Beelzebub, Lord of the flies (satan). Worn by occultists to show that they have power and is a source of protection.
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Goat Head - The horned goat, goat of mendes, Baphomet, god of the witches, the scapegoat. It's a Satanists way of mocking Jesus as the "Lamb" who died for our sins.
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Hexagram- It is one of the most potent symbols used in the working of the powers of darkness. Used to work magic.
I get a lot of mail on this one. Satanism takes and perverts Christian symbols. It is satanic when used in an Occult setting with a circle around it.
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Udjat - or all seeing eye. one of few symbols referring to Lucifer (king of hell), whom it is though will pass judgment. Below the eye is a tear because he mourns for those outside his influence.
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Logo of Time Warner/ AOL! - Notice how it resembles the Udjat and is akin to the all seeing eye! Time Warner has a major monopoly on communications in the world. They control what you see and hear. They suppress the truth. Want to see a High Priestess who is wearing the symbol leading a ritual? Watch this film Mystery Babylon as they cast spells at Bohemian Grove in Calif.
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Italian Horn - Other names....Unicorn horn and Leprechaun staff. Introduced by the Lord Druids of Scotland and Ireland. It is associated with good luck and good fortune. It is also used to ward off "Maluka" or the "Evil Eye". It also means satan will take care of your finances.
crazyhayashi
The philosophy of Yin and Yang is evil and utterly non-Christian because it teaches that there is no good without evil, and no evil without good. According to it, everything good has evil in it and everything evil has good in it, (hence the little white circle in the black half and visa-versa) so to accept it means that you think God has evil in Him and Satan has good. As Christians we know that's not right.
ishtob
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Udjat - or all seeing eye.  one of few symbols referring to Lucifer (king of  hell), whom it is though will pass judgment. Below the eye is a tear  because he mourns for those outside his influence.
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Logo of Time Warner/ AOL! - Notice how it resembles the Udjat and is akin to the all seeing eye! Time Warner has a major monopoly on communications in the world. They control what you see and hear. They suppress the truth. Want to see a High Priestess who is wearing the symbol leading a ritual? Watch this film Mystery Babylon as they cast spells at Bohemian Grove in Calif.
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Yes, and you might want to take a glance at the top right corner of your monitor (on the actual casing). If you see the Image Quest logo you'll see the "eye" there as well...

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God's Lamb
Not to offend you but to shed more light......Bogov...you said, "chi it the source of life it is also representing god the unmeasureable force the continuing union of good and evil the balance of this word..."
Isn't the polar opposite of absolute reality, the pantheistic concept of God?
Because that is not the belief of Christians... and neither is it the God of the Bible.
At some point you must wonder, "where does this power come from?" blink.gif huh.gif I am a black belt in Tai-Kuon-Do ph34r.gif and we were never trained to connect with the Chi force. happy.gif But, our instructor had our class go to an Aikido school to lean a different way of martial arts for six weeks. As I drove up to the school the hair on the back of my neck went up and goosepimples went up and down my spine. ohmy.gif When I walked into the building I felt a great oppression and an invisible force (this is hard to explain: it felt like if you were to take to magnets and turn them in such away that they repelled each other....that's some what...what it felt like.... blink.gif like I said it is hard to explain.) We sat to watch a demonstration with the Aikido Master and his top student. Both men were large men. The student was a little larger and maybe about 50 pounds more than the instrustor. The Aikido Master barely touched the garment of the man when he threw him clear across the room. This was not done in human strength....and my spirit and I agreed on this. I felt very complled to leave the school at that moment but I did not know how without embarrasing my instructor and looking foolish. Heaven forbid I should look foolish. blink.gif :wacko The next thing the Aikido Master had us do was to pair off with one of his students. So a very nice young girl in her twenties came and sat across from me and we smiled at each other and introduced ourselves. Then the Aikido told everyone to place their hands on each others shoulders for we were about to "EXCHANGE" engeries with one another! mellow.gif I put my arms up in a blocking motion and said, "Please do not touch me....I do not want to exchange energies with you or anyone else in this room. It is not you that is offending, but what we are about to do is....as a Christian I can not do this." I got up and walked out of the building. I felt a evil presense draw close, and I prayed and walked to the door, and I was going to fight my way out if I had to. But, during this whole time the Lord had put it upon my heart to leave as soon as I pulled up in the car. But, I didn't. Several times while in the school the Lord told me to leave. My red flags were going up....DANGER...WARNING...DANGER. But, I didn't at the time. blush.gif
Months later I ran into an old friend who also was a black belt in Aikido, as a matter of fact he was "the" prize pupile of the Aikido Master...but he left his school when the Aikido Master returned from Japan having learned to "tap" into the chi force in a powerful way. He demonstrated this force in a private meeting between him and my friend. In which they both sat on the floor in the class room (where I had been) and faced each other....and between them were several short sticks....the Aikido Master closed his eyes and went into deep meditation and then the sticks raised up off the ground and started twirling in the air in front of them. My friend said he was horrified...and felt a very strong demonic presense emiting from the Master. When the demonstration ended....the Master wanted him to be his second in command with him and teach this to everyone. My friend got up....looked at the Master....and said.....what you did...did not come from God and I want no part of it or you from this day forward unless you renounce this. Of course the Master didn't he was so seduced by "power"....he thought my friend was the crazy one. Not all that glitters is gold blink.gif .....the chi or whatever you want to call it.....is not of God. And you have to ask yourself at some point in time....if it isn't of God....do I still want it? There are only two forces in this world that you can "tap" into....God or Satan...but not both...a one or the other type of thing. They are not co-equals.....God is not apart of ying and yang..or chi.....and one day every knee will bow to God....even Satan. So I hope you truly think about what you are doing and who you are leading down this road with you...for it does not lead to the God of the Bible... unsure.gif sad.gif And by the way.....I do know what it is like to face Satan "face to face"..... ph34r.gif And if you did.....you would would run pass "Go" and collect your $200.00 and leave that game..... biggrin.gif
sojourner
Marie,

I am truely amazed by your experiences. I have to wonder what it is that God has in store for you.

sojourner
God's Lamb
biggrin.gif Please take no offense by this blush.gif .......but I have seen ministries fall apart and friendship break up because one can be obssessed with symbols. It becomes a "them" and "us" mentality. It is one thing to look and question, but we cross the line when we condem someone for wearing a symbol without more knowledge of them. The Hexagram also known as the star of David or The crest of Solomn. This symbol was used by the Egyptians long before the Israelis adopted it. The Jews began using the star of David during their Babylonian captivity and now has a definite Jewish meaning which cannot be condemned. wink.gif However, it is one of the most potent symbols used in the working of the powers of Darkness. It is the symbol used in the work of magic....in the conjuring of forces that hynotize and seduce. Evil spirits gather in force at the summons of the person working the "Hex". As Christians we wear the cross....but isn't the cross called a cursed thing. Isn't is also used in Satanic ceremonies? There are numerous kinds of crosses. Should we then TODAY remove all crosses an not wear them? When I see a symbol someone is wearing I look at the fruit in the perosn's life or watch their actions to reactions...I look to see if they have understanding what they are wearing. It may have been a gift from a loved one. If the symbol is pure evil I may ask questions. Like,"My that is an interesting symbol....what does it mean to you?" That usually opens a door to "share" information. If one sees evil in everything...I am sure they will find evil. I say this with the best of intentions. wub.gif I only speak and say this.....because of what I have wittnessed and experienced as Christians berate others and condeming them as they strut around feeling very smug (like spiritual peacocks wacko.gif ). I watched as friendships dissolved and people split up over symbols. So be wise....and most of all be filled with love if you are going to reach out to others because of the the symbol they wear. IF you see the Star of David being worn.....it is probably they are Jewish or that they support Israel.....on the other hand if they wear black and are twisted and vulgar, put down Jesus Christ they might be wearing it as a smybol of power. In that case pray for them. smile.gif A-l-l-l-l-l-l Rightieeeeeeeee Then. I will know step down off my soap box. laugh.gif biggrin.gif God Bless
God's Lamb
Hi Sojourner......thanks. Gosh I wish to know too what the Lord has in store for me.....after being a care-giver for so many years.....I don't know what to do with myself. blink.gif It has been a month and a day since my mother died....I miss her Irish laughter....her humor.....and putting my arms around her and saying, "I love ya Momma".....I have two brothers but they walked away from my mother and me with out a word. Took what they could of my father's.....and never came to see us again....sad. We tried to find out why...but they would not speak to us or answer our letters. One lives within 25 miles of me the other about 20 minutes away. They never helped me care for my father or mother (that was a 27 year stretch)....and I could have used the help. We called them to tell them my Mom had cancer for the 4th time they said they didn't care and were not interested. One is a Christian....the other is not. I still love them....but they are angry men my cousins don't understand them and no one knows who they are anymore. But, in my heart I know they are full of pain....hurting....and very bitter. I wrote letters asking forgiveness for whatever I had done to them...I don't know and they won't tell. I do know they wanted me to control and manipulate my mother for them....and I wouldn't. My mother had been controlled by my father for years. She was like a bondservant for most of her life and I refused to let it continue after his death. When my father died I took her to see the lawyer, her doctors, the bankers and her minister. I said, "Mom, this is your life....do with it as you will." My brothers never asked her what she wanted to do they just told her what she will do. That rubbed my the wrong way. She is a grown woman capable of making good decisions so I said, "Fly little bird....fly Momma...fly." She helped a great many people....she was greatly loved. So sad my brothers missed out on so much love...and laugher. I look at pictures of them when they were little boys...and say to myself...I knew you then....where did you go? I want to talk to that little boy who I loved so dearly....I know him and he knows me.....we were friends then....what happened? Where did you go? What happend to you? Why can't we talk in love to each other anymore? I miss you dearly." wub.gif I seem to swim in a Sea of Saddness.....finding this island (Christian-Forum) has made a big difference for me....it has connected me with "new" brothers and sisters in Christ....and I have a much bigger family....God's family. biggrin.gif wub.gif Sorry Sojouner didn't mean to cry on your shoulder. unsure.gif God Bless. 1dsz5e4.gif you. 1dsz5e4.gif
sojourner
God's Lamb,

anytime, friend.

Do you think God pulls us away from family sometimes?

sojourner
God's Lamb
Hi Sojourner......Thanks again for letting me cry on your shoulder. Yes. I do believe God pulls us away sometimes from family members.....knowingly and unkowningly. You can pick your friends....but not family. My brothers are a mystery to all our relatives. My cousin from Montana flew out here to be with me and my family for my mother's memorial. He is sixteen years younger than me and I feel like his older sister.... biggrin.gif The first person he saw when he got back from the war in Vietnam was me. I think we drank wine and talked for a week. We didn't get drunk every night.....we just stayed that way continually... laugh.gif biggrin.gif just kidding. But, we did drink wine and talk. He went back to Montana and then came back and visited with me for awhile. He grew up with my brothers....too. He just shakes his head...and doesn't understand them. The oldest one...we both understand him...more. He had a cruel streak in him from the time he was young....but kept it in control and under the radar for years. When he came back from Vietnam...he was not the same person....he got into porno....and his wife was just as bad if not worse. They called me "Goodie-Two Shoes" for years.....because I would not go to the porno places with them...or look at porno movies or have anything to do with that stuff. I told them I was a Christian ( I was still a baby one at the time) and Jesus wouldn't want me to do those things. I think that is when things changed for me with him.....I wasn't in his face....but I would disagree with him on things and was not afraid of him. My younger brother was always deceived and intimidated by him....long story. But, from the time I was little (about four) and accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior......my older brother gave me a bad time. My Mom and I were the only Christians then and we would say our prayers together every night. That is why my mother and I had such a close relationship all these years. My father was close to God, but didn't understand Jesus that well.....and God was close to my father (long story). Later when I was in my late twenties....I helped my father to understand and he accepted Jesus and went to church with me and my family when I came out of the Occult. I believe my younger brother is saved and so is his wife....but his wife was mixed up with a witch and open doors to the other realm to affect them and I believe that is the reason to most of their problems in their life...and was due to that door being left open (another long story). His wife did not seek help or resolve some problems.....at that same time period his wife bought a bed that she knew it had been possessed...... and still was.....she bought it anyway and didn't care. The bed was really possessed (another long story laugh.gif ). She claimed she could handle that bed issue... and to this day there have been spiritual ramifications because of that bed. But, spiritual pride has kept them from acknowledging and seeing the truth and repenting....so sad. Abuse and anger grew in thier family all kinds of problems arose.....it is dangerous to play in the Devil's toy box. unsure.gif 1dsz5e4.gif Sojourner.
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