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4him
Just wanted everyone opinion on this subject.

I don’t believe in it myself.

My son’s school keeps telling us to test him for ADHD not because he is hyper but because it’s hard for him to sit still. They tell us that he doesn’t pay attention in class but when they ask him a question he knows the answer. He is not disrespectful I think he just gets bored easily.

About 2 years ago we had enough and had him tested (he was in 1st grade at the time).
We had him tested through the school but we also made an appointment with our doctor as well.

The results:

There doctor – first we got there early and had to wait. In the waiting room it was full of people for the other practices in that office and we all felt uncomfortable. Then we wasted half the session because the doctor was concern how she was going to get paid.
The town school system was paying for it but my son goes to private school so they were confused.
When she saw us she talk to my son for 5 min then she talk to us and determined he has ADHD and told us to put him on Meds.


Our Doctor – She ask us a bunch of question from a list she had then added up the score.
She also had the room setup with toys at every corner and watches him while she questions us.
My sons stayed on 1 corner the hole time playing with the same set on toys and while playing he sometimes answered some of her question(exactly what the teachers say he does that it looks like he’s not paying attention but he hears everything we are saying).
After adding up the score and watching him she determined if he is ADHD is so miner that we should not do anything about it only to keep him active.

My son – he’s 8 now gets A’s and B’s in school, he does swimming lessons, music lessons, baseball in spring and fall and used to do karate(his activities is killing us ).
He’s not the best in any of his sports but he’s happy.


Me – After research that I read, ADHD (if there really is such a thing) could be passed down from family. Some of the symptoms sounded like I might also have it so I went to my doctor to get tested. Again there is no actual test for it just questions so my doctor and I decided to try meds (bad move).I was able to focus a little but I felt like the medication almost kill me because of the side affects.
I determined that there is no way I’m going to let my son go through that.

Bottom line the school has to deal with it and my wife and I just have to work harder with my son.

I just pray and ask everyone here if they can also pray for my sons to help him focus more.

Sorry for the long post

What’s your opinion?
infaith
I was labeled as hyper when I was around 2 (back in the mid-60's before they had the whole ADD/ADHD labels). I've never been on meds for it. I can relate to your son's description quite well (things like playing and hearing everything said).

From a personal standpoint keep your son off the meds. He'll learn how to adapt/focus/concentrate/pay attention through behavior modification types of things rather than through a drug. Keep him busy and you might try keeping him challenged mentally as well. I know looking back there were a lot of times in school when quite frankly - I was bored and off in another world because I was bored rather than because I had attention issues.
AppyGroove
I'm 25 years old.

I'm not hyper, nor am I unteachable...

I do however get restless, bored, and on most occasions its hard to be concise in my train of thought and conversations. Something happens between my head and my mouth...(i screwed up a phone interview... that was the last straw....)

Subject matter of conversations? oh lordy, I can discuss 10 topics at once..

subject a, subject b, subject c, subject a, subject d, subject e, subject a.... etc.



I went to a pychitrist(sp?).. After extensive interview, he diagnosed me as depressed, socially anxious, and adult ADD...

I was prescribed medication for the ADD (adderall XR). I have made a noticeable turn around. The depression and social anxiety has lessened. My wife notices when the medication has wore off... When the medication has wore off... THAT IS NOT ME. Me, is when the medication is working...



So in short...
Yes its real....

Medication is good, but supplement it with mental exercises. It teaches you to focus.... memorize one set of variables...

ex. books of the bible

know it until the point you get bored...

add another variable..

the authors... (until bored)....

add a scripture from each book....




But be sure, to memorize something YOU OR YOUR CHILD has interest in....
Leia
QUOTE(AppyGroove @ Nov 29 2005, 10:01 AM)
Medication is good, but supplement it with mental exercises.  It teaches you to focus....  memorize one set of variables...

ex.  books of the bible

know it until the point you get bored...

add another variable..

the authors... (until bored)....

add a scripture from each book....

But be sure, to memorize something YOU OR YOUR CHILD has interest in....
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That is the kindest thing I have heard about this issue. I works well, but my friend finds that doing it in games where they move around works best. Get it right, move to another chair.....get it right take the shot at basketball. You can really get some exercise....but aren't they worth it?

leia
lovingHIM
My oldest child, now 13 was dx ADHD at age 5. They wanted me to put him on meds but I refused. School just couldn't handle his hyper activity and wanted to drug him, IMO. Anyway, in 6th grade he was so hyper in class, in constant trouble, not able to focus on his work, yada yada ya. He had been in in school suspension more than I would like to admit. I got to the point that I thought maybe meds may help him to stay in control. We were having the same problems at home so knew the frustration he must have been causing his teachers in the class room. So against my every conviction I took him to his dr. and they gave him adderal. BIGGEST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE!

The first couple of days the poor kid would fall asleep sitting up. He looked drugged. I just cried. The dr. said give him time to adjust, you are doing the right thing. By the 5th day on this medication he went off the wall! He sent him into complete mania. He was hanging out a 2nd story window saying "I don't want to live anymore" ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif excl.gif The ceiling fan was on in our t.v. room going at high speed. He stood on the coffee table and tried to stick his hand in the blades as they were spinning around. He was acting like nothing I have ever seen before. Not just hyper but out of control behaviour. I couldn't leave him alone at all. I called and got another dr. on call and told him what was going on and he said "DON'T GIVE HIM ANYMORE MEDICATION!" Well, no kidding dry.gif I had to spend the entire watching him so he didn't hurt himself or anyone else.

After that I said "deal with it" I am never going to put him on any medication ever again. I must say this....diet has ALOT to do with kids that are ADHD. They have ALOT of allergies that we may never consider until you have them tested. My son is allergic to red dye (Makes him way hyper), corn, yeast, additives of many kinds. When I took my son off of all sugar, dyes, chemicals to the best of my ability and put him on lots of veggies and fruit as the majority of his diet I saw a huge improvement. ALl the junk in the foods, juices, snacks are just that junk. If you can cut back the sugars and dyes you may see a huge difference in the ADHD. I know I have and it is a very hard thing to do but it makes all the difference in the world.

The other things you can try are natural. Alot of kids with ADHD are lacking magnesium. If your child takes a bath you can add epsom salts to the bath water and let them soak. Their body will absorb the magnesium from the bath water. Very good before bed time, helps to settle them down.

I started giving my son a few things and the teachers commented on him being less hyper. The things I gave him were B complex (again alot of kids are lacking in the vit B's), calcium and magnisuim supplement - has a calming effect and cod liver oil - they make a lemon flavored one and my son actually likes it. That is about all. But between those supplements and the diet remarkable improvements. It can be controlled outside of medication smile.gif
Tzeitel
I have suffered from mild tourettes and adult ADD and have been on Prozac for about 8 years now. When I try and come off the Prozac, my tic comes back and I become very restless and I get bouts of manic behavoir like working into the night on something or over dieting. Prozac unfortunately helps keep me on an even keel. Ive tried to come off with disastrous results. I was travelling around Europe and couldnt get hold of my meds and decided I could go without. I went a bit off the rails and ended up shooting myself in the shoulder and leg. wacko.gif

Believe me I am alot calmer now and 'normal' than I used to be! laugh.gif
lovingHIM
CC, my 4 almost 5 year old son may have TS. He has alot of ticks since the age of 2. They don't seem to bother him much so I have not used any medication yet. His biggest problem is OCD. The poor thing has had OCD since he was 2. I hate to see what happens as he gets older ohmy.gif Do you have any OCD from the TS?
4him
We started giving him omega 3 6 9. and we also stop giving him soda and try to cut off as much suger as we can.
I will try the magnesium and calcium.

Thanks for all your advice. smile.gif
lovingHIM
QUOTE(4him @ Nov 29 2005, 12:17 PM)
We started giving him omega 3 6 9. and we also stop giving him soda and try to cut off as much suger as we can.
I will try the magnesium and calcium.

Thanks for all your advice.  smile.gif
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You are welcome smile.gif Another thing I forgot to mention alot of ADHD children are sensitive to dairy products. If your son gets light shiners under his eyes (like he looks tired) or his ears turn light pink to red around the tops of the ears he may be over sensitive to dairy products. These sensitivities don't show up on allergy testing for they are not allergic but very sensitive to whatever may be causing it.
Tzeitel
QUOTE(lovingHIM @ Nov 29 2005, 11:42 AM)
CC, my 4 almost 5 year old son may have TS.  He has alot of ticks since the age of 2.  They don't seem to bother him much so I have not used any medication yet.  His biggest problem is OCD.  The poor thing has had OCD since he was 2.  I hate to see what happens as he gets older ohmy.gif  Do you have any OCD from the TS?
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I used to get compulsions like wanting to bite a glass when drinking from it. Ive broken the top off quite a few in the past and ended up with glass in my mouth. I overcame it by using plastic picnic cups instead. Thankfully, the compulsion to do that has been gone a long while. I am always aware of the danger of OCD rearing its ugly head and as soon as I recognise it, I do something about it. It kind of creeps up on you when you least expect it.

As you get older, the compulsions seem to die out. Im 40 now and pretty clear of anything unless I get highly stressed.
choirgirl
From a school teacher's perspective, there are a handful of children who IMO actually need medication. There were so many other parenting issues with our students that contributed to the ADD-like behavior, so I think you really have to dig deep for all factors before you even consider meds. I taught art, so the freedom to get up a move around for supplies/whatever allowed students some opportunity to change the scenery so to speak. Other teachers in the building used the following tools to help students with attention concerns:

a manipulative to hold or rub while listening to a teacher at their seat (Beanie baby or small toy) Teacher would pass out a few to prevent the student from feeling singled out.

chewing gum, or making that student a helper who had to get up a lot and move around.

There is also the possibility that your child may be gifted. Gifted children often exhibit ADHD-like behavior because they are not stimulated by the curriculum or teaching style. Even if your child does not have really high grades, it doesn't mean they are not gifted. The boredom often results in the lower grades in those cases. I wouldn't suggest testing a child for gifted until they are at least in 2nd grade IMO. Best of luck to all who are praying thru this issue.
lovingHIM
QUOTE(Cherrychookie @ Nov 29 2005, 01:11 PM)
QUOTE(lovingHIM @ Nov 29 2005, 11:42 AM)
CC, my 4 almost 5 year old son may have TS.  He has alot of ticks since the age of 2.  They don't seem to bother him much so I have not used any medication yet.  His biggest problem is OCD.  The poor thing has had OCD since he was 2.  I hate to see what happens as he gets older ohmy.gif  Do you have any OCD from the TS?
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I used to get compulsions like wanting to bite a glass when drinking from it. Ive broken the top off quite a few in the past and ended up with glass in my mouth. I overcame it by using plastic picnic cups instead. Thankfully, the compulsion to do that has been gone a long while. I am always aware of the danger of OCD rearing its ugly head and as soon as I recognise it, I do something about it. It kind of creeps up on you when you least expect it.

As you get older, the compulsions seem to die out. Im 40 now and pretty clear of anything unless I get highly stressed.
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I hope you don't mind me asking you questions CC? What age did your tics start? My son has had almost all vocal tics and alot of movements. His is mild for the most part, except the screaming tic ph34r.gif excl.gif That one really is hard to ignore.
But for his OCD right now he HAS to shut every door in the house. No bedroom, bathroom, laundry room doors can be left open. With so many kids in and out of their rooms here he is constantly running down the hall to shut the doors when they leave their rooms. Keeps him busy I must say. He CAN NOT eat any broken food. Such as a peice of bread that has a small air hole in it or a piece of crust missing....it is broken and he can't eat it. Fish crackers, if a tail or head is missing he goes nuts, it's broken ohmy.gif He does go thru phases already of washing his hands all the time. Poor thing, he is so young yet already has so many compulsions that he just has to do.
crazyhayashi
I am 16, and I have had personal experience with ADHD meds, mainly Adderall. The stuff can make you trippy and spacey just in small doses. Not to mention it made me have premonitions! And then they threw me onto anti-psychotics because of that...horrible...the anti-psychotic drugs make you tired and slow, depressed, ashamed, and semi-suicidal from the shame and cause an overall lack of will to do anything.

These drugs are incredibly risky...Adderall is legal amphetamine.

Speed is illegal methamphetamine...

Adderall basically is lower-strength speed.

Should we be putting kids on speed?
Tzeitel
QUOTE(lovingHIM @ Nov 29 2005, 01:41 PM)
QUOTE(Cherrychookie @ Nov 29 2005, 01:11 PM)
QUOTE(lovingHIM @ Nov 29 2005, 11:42 AM)
CC, my 4 almost 5 year old son may have TS.  He has alot of ticks since the age of 2.  They don't seem to bother him much so I have not used any medication yet.  His biggest problem is OCD.  The poor thing has had OCD since he was 2.  I hate to see what happens as he gets older ohmy.gif  Do you have any OCD from the TS?
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I used to get compulsions like wanting to bite a glass when drinking from it. Ive broken the top off quite a few in the past and ended up with glass in my mouth. I overcame it by using plastic picnic cups instead. Thankfully, the compulsion to do that has been gone a long while. I am always aware of the danger of OCD rearing its ugly head and as soon as I recognise it, I do something about it. It kind of creeps up on you when you least expect it.

As you get older, the compulsions seem to die out. Im 40 now and pretty clear of anything unless I get highly stressed.
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I hope you don't mind me asking you questions CC? What age did your tics start? My son has had almost all vocal tics and alot of movements. His is mild for the most part, except the screaming tic ph34r.gif excl.gif That one really is hard to ignore.
But for his OCD right now he HAS to shut every door in the house. No bedroom, bathroom, laundry room doors can be left open. With so many kids in and out of their rooms here he is constantly running down the hall to shut the doors when they leave their rooms. Keeps him busy I must say. He CAN NOT eat any broken food. Such as a peice of bread that has a small air hole in it or a piece of crust missing....it is broken and he can't eat it. Fish crackers, if a tail or head is missing he goes nuts, it's broken ohmy.gif He does go thru phases already of washing his hands all the time. Poor thing, he is so young yet already has so many compulsions that he just has to do.
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You can ask me as many times questions as you wish. My tics started around 6 - 7 years old, it progressed from body twitches to head twitches and then I started gulping with my throat. I still do it now from time to time when stressed or when I get that 'urge' again to something. Below 6/7 years old I was like a tornado! Screaming and swearing and basically bad behavior.
lovingHIM
Yes Crazyhayashi that Adderall is bad stuff. That one drug has been known to cause those problems in many people, my son included.

It for sure is a legalized DRUG!! This stuff is no different than buying street drugs. I have heard that Adderall is big sales in high school aged kids. It was very scary to see my son react to that drug the way he did. He had a look in his eyes that I NEVER want to see again.

To answer your question, no I don't think we should be putting children on such drugs. I know that some children may actually really need something to calm them down but for the most part I feel these drugs are way over prescribed to our youth today.
lovingHIM
QUOTE(Cherrychookie @ Nov 30 2005, 08:20 AM)
QUOTE(lovingHIM @ Nov 29 2005, 01:41 PM)
QUOTE(Cherrychookie @ Nov 29 2005, 01:11 PM)
QUOTE(lovingHIM @ Nov 29 2005, 11:42 AM)
CC, my 4 almost 5 year old son may have TS.  He has alot of ticks since the age of 2.  They don't seem to bother him much so I have not used any medication yet.  His biggest problem is OCD.  The poor thing has had OCD since he was 2.  I hate to see what happens as he gets older ohmy.gif  Do you have any OCD from the TS?
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I used to get compulsions like wanting to bite a glass when drinking from it. Ive broken the top off quite a few in the past and ended up with glass in my mouth. I overcame it by using plastic picnic cups instead. Thankfully, the compulsion to do that has been gone a long while. I am always aware of the danger of OCD rearing its ugly head and as soon as I recognise it, I do something about it. It kind of creeps up on you when you least expect it.

As you get older, the compulsions seem to die out. Im 40 now and pretty clear of anything unless I get highly stressed.
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I hope you don't mind me asking you questions CC? What age did your tics start? My son has had almost all vocal tics and alot of movements. His is mild for the most part, except the screaming tic ph34r.gif excl.gif That one really is hard to ignore.
But for his OCD right now he HAS to shut every door in the house. No bedroom, bathroom, laundry room doors can be left open. With so many kids in and out of their rooms here he is constantly running down the hall to shut the doors when they leave their rooms. Keeps him busy I must say. He CAN NOT eat any broken food. Such as a peice of bread that has a small air hole in it or a piece of crust missing....it is broken and he can't eat it. Fish crackers, if a tail or head is missing he goes nuts, it's broken ohmy.gif He does go thru phases already of washing his hands all the time. Poor thing, he is so young yet already has so many compulsions that he just has to do.
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You can ask me as many times questions as you wish. My tics started around 6 - 7 years old, it progressed from body twitches to head twitches and then I started gulping with my throat. I still do it now from time to time when stressed or when I get that 'urge' again to something. Below 6/7 years old I was like a tornado! Screaming and swearing and basically bad behavior.
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That was my son from the minute he started walking TORNADO!! biggrin.gif He has no official dx as of yet. Most dr.'s just look at him and scratch their heads. He is a puzzle. He was very delayed in walking, talking, fine motor skills and social skills. At first they thought Asberger's (autistic disorder) but a year later decided he was too sociable for Asberger's. Although has many traits of autism. His tics have not been too bad recently. Sometimes it is hard to decide if some of the things he is doing is a tic or a compulsion. He can't really tell you much when I ask about them except "I want to do it" Don't know if he can realize if he wants to or has to.
You mentioned the throat gulping, my 9 year old daughter has been doing that for about a year now. I think it is stress for her. She has selective mutism. She will not talk outside of the home. It is axiety based. She has been like that since she was very young 3 - 4 years old. But that throat gulping started last year when she had a teacher who was really stressing her out. She still does it up to this day. I think it is a transient tic for her cause I have never seen her do anything else that would make me think TS.
Thanks for sharing about your TS. I really don't know anyone else personally who has this and sometimes have some questions I wish I could have answered but have no one to ask. You can read all the books you want but I find the best knowledge comes from someone who lives it. wub.gif Thanks CC!
AppyGroove
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I am 16, and I have had personal experience with ADHD meds, mainly Adderall. The stuff can make you trippy and spacey just in small doses. Not to mention it made me have premonitions! And then they threw me onto anti-psychotics because of that...horrible...the anti-psychotic drugs make you tired and slow, depressed, ashamed, and semi-suicidal from the shame and cause an overall lack of will to do anything.

These drugs are incredibly risky...Adderall is legal amphetamine.

Speed is illegal methamphetamine...

Adderall basically is lower-strength speed.

Should we be putting kids on speed?


I grant you that it is abused on campuses. But because its able to be abused, doesn't mean it should be out right banned... Why stop there? We might as well just get rid of prescription strength muscle relaxers, pain killers, and nerve medication....

Of course, you are gonna feel weird if you are on depressants and stimulants... If the anti psychotic is due balance out your adderall... Shame on the doctor for prescribing you a high dose and a counter agent....

If you are using the antipsychotic because you have... issues... Perhaps you should have told your doctor. Perhaps you should have been put on a lower dose of adderall or slow release capsule?

There are alternatives medications than just adderall...

I haven't had any adverse effects to adderall (the slow release capsule) and I am very sensitive to medication.... I just know that when the medication has wore off, I'm not normal... I am a mumbling, bumbling, stuttering, elusive thought, restless, person who is making no sense in conversations....

But to each their own...
crazyhayashi
Trust me, I really don't need the anti-psychotics. I haven't taken them for months and I'm just fine. Not just in my own eyes but in other peoples' as well. They HURT me many ways and didn't HELP in any. I had no need for them, I've had premonitions all my life. It's just that the ones I had on the Adderall were the most vivid and quickest fulfilled of them all. They were a wake-up call, after they happened the other premonitions I had when I was younger started being fulfilled and I started to realise that there are higher spiritual forces guiding us. Without the premonitions I wouldn't have become a Christian. I would've lived a God-less, unspiritual life without a higher purpose.

The point I'm trying to make about the Adderall is that it exposes you to spiritual forces, GOOD and BAD. In my case it was a very good thing, but if some poor kid winds up posessed by taking it and they try and pump him full of more meds when all he needs is God's help, then that's horrible.

I'm against pharmaceutical meds because I know that God put all the things on this planet that we'll ever need to CURE and PREVENT illnesses. All these drugs do are cover up symptoms, cause more illness due to their un-natural potency, and allow the true problem to fester inside of you without you noticing because the drugs cover the noticeable symptoms. Drugs should only be used in life or death situations and that is it.

I recommend that all of you read Keven Trudeau's book "Natural Cures 'They' Don't Want You To Know About". It's very eye-opening, it reveals how wrong and corrupt the food and drug companies are.
AppyGroove
QUOTE(crazyhayashi @ Dec 1 2005, 11:16 AM)
The point I'm trying to make about the Adderall is that it exposes you to spiritual forces, GOOD and BAD. In my case it was a very good thing, but if some poor kid winds up posessed by taking it and they try and pump him full of more meds when all he needs is God's help, then that's horrible.
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A literal gate way drug?


So what's bad about being exposed to good spiritual forces? Good triumphs over evil?
crazyhayashi
In the end good wins over evil, but look how much bad can happen before good wins. Our own world is the ultimate example of that.

There's nothing wrong with good spiritual forces. That's what I was exposed to and they helped me, but the doctors drugged the life out of me because of it because they're blind and can't understand how spiritual forces work. To them it's all foolishness, they can't see the cause behind the cause, all they see is a psychotic person when they very well may be either a (false) prophet, or posessed.

If the person is already prone to bad spiritual forces (hectic, abusive life/drugs/false religion/fornication) and they take this drug, odds are something bad will happen when they do. Maybe ultimately good will come out from the bad. It depends on the person.

I was originally on regular Adderall at 20 mg, and they later put me on Adderall XR for two 15 mg doses a day. I probably never needed it anyway. People have been trying to push their opinions on me as medical fact all my life. Right now the school has me as learning disabled (Asbergers) and has lumped me in with all the special ed kids, but even my therapist thinks I'm not. He talks to me an hour a week, and yet my psychiatrist (who said I was crazy and drugged me based on her opinion, not fact), who I barely speak with (haven't since September) and when I do it's only 20-30 minutes about drugs not myself, is the one who gets to diagnose me. Anyone in their right, open mind can tell I'm not LD. I may be weird, shy, and a lil obsessive, but by all means not LD. Aren't Christians supposed to appear a little weird and shy to the world anyway? "The meek shall inherit the earth." but to the world the meek have Social Avoidance Disorder, and those who have prophetic dreams and visions (like me) that come true are psychotic. The world can't understand us. I pretty much told my doctor and mother everyday that the drugs were messing me up and that I knew I didn't need them, but they thought they were right, that I was deluded and ignorant, and just ignored me or drugged me more with another drug, so I finally got sick of it and stopped taking them. Some people do have real problems, but the doctors need to stop wasting their time on people like me and help them instead.

My premonitions are gone because God knew that I'm not ready for the serious ones yet, not because I was actually psychotic and the drug worked. The ability still lies dormant within me, God's just waiting for the right moment to use it. Maybe the ability is in all of us! I've known a few other people who swear they've had a short premonition here or there, but nothing to the degree which I've experienced.

I just wonder how many posessed people have been diagnosed as mentally ill when in all reality all they need is an exorcism! If you've ever seen the movie "The Exorcism of Emily Rose" you should get my point.
lovingHIM
4him, did you ever get a chance to try what I had sent you?
4him
Yea I tried it with red cake decortation ( it has red #3 and # 40) I think its the same as red dye.
After he stop laughing (because of the red mix in his hand laugh.gif ) we did it and nothing.

It looks like thats ok I will try other things maybe today.

Thanks
Marta
Referring to the topic of ADHD I believe that Eli Lilly has the best drug on the market. They are one of a kind pharmaceutical company. wink.gif

Strattera is wonderful! http://www.lilly.com or http://www.strattera.com

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4him
When I went to my Dr. he started me on Strattera and I felt like it was going to kill me.

All the side effects that they claim one might get, I got. Plus more!!

There was no way I was going to lt my son go throw this!!!

I will explore a more natural cure.
Leia
QUOTE(4him @ Dec 2 2005, 06:01 AM)
When I went to my Dr. he started me on Strattera and I felt like it was going to kill me.

All the side effects that they claim one might get, I got. Plus more!!

There was no way I was going to lt my son go throw this!!!

I will explore a more natural cure.
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I am sorry that you had side effects from anything. There are some wonderful drugs on the market, even the new ones that I always suspected...they are really helping some people. I wonder how much research is done on sides before it is marketed sometimes, though.

If you need to go herbal....there is a plant called EVENING Primrose. There are other Primroses, but it is the evening variety (that opens at night and loses during the day) that you need to try. You can make it on your own and it is found readily in the wild along streets and in gardens and along fence rows, but get it first from an herb store and see if it helps. It should be the gel caps, those are the most potent. Start with two, three times a day for about a week until your system gets full and then maybe you can go down to two twice a day.

Helps with the children and it will help for your nerves and cyclic times when nerves ar at their worst.

leia
4him
Thanks for the info.

I'll look for it. smile.gif
justme
Hello all I'm new here but Have a personal interest in this topic, as I was diagnosed with adult ADHD about three years ago. I was origanally and am still on adderall and have found that it works wonders for me. Without my meds I'm constantly fidgeting, I either hyper focus on one thing and zone out or try to focus on to many things at once and get really frustrated. I have heard the horror stories on th ADD/ADHD medications and believe everyone of them, and thats where the doctors and patients need to get together and find something that does work. I have heard on several occasions that diet can help but I know there are more people like me than not that are on fixed incomes with families that can't really afrord to eat like the "healthcare professionals" say we should this week. My original doctor was one of the nations leading experts on ADD, bi-polar, and other conditions like these, and was very cautious when doing the initial screenins, and with everyone of my chekups. Unfourtanetly there are other doctors out there that just do a quick "fix" diagnose ADD for everything and don't take the time to know there patients enough to make an educated decision on what meds are best for that individual person.I believe that adderrall is a good med., but just like when ridilin was the med of choice they are over precribeing it and not always for the right reasons. I am truly sorry for all those that have had bad expeiences with this or other medications but feel that they do good for so many others that they should be regulated alittle better but not takin off the market. I know that when I'm off the meds (like someone else mentioned) my family is the first to notice the not real me. Also I know my doctor told me that periodically I need to skip a couple days on the meds so as not to build up a Tolerance for them, and I haven't heard anyone else mention that just though I would throw that out there as it may help someone who needs it.
LadyNada
you said:

Just wanted everyone opinion on this subject.

I don’t believe in it myself.

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My opinion before I read other replies, is I agree with you, I dont believe in it. I believe it is a scam by the medical industry to sell drugs.

I have other opinions about it all... but I'll wait to read other replies.

Nada
LadyNada
I dont want to be taken as insensitive on this subject. I care deeply about what people are experiencing with this situation. I admit I didnt know that much about it! Is it this world system? I mean... it IS hard to cope here, for everyone, diagnosed or not. I am so glad that His Kingdom is manifesting in us now, because I can barely stand this world anymore at all!

Nada
Pamela
When my son was around 7 his teacher requested that I take him to the doctor to get tested for ADD/ADHA. He was quite an active kid, and at times he could be handful. Though I never saw him unable to concentrate on one task. He could sit and play for hours with out going from one thing to the next. I went ahead and took him, and the test was 2 pieces of paper. One for me to fill out and one for the teacher to fill out. It was a range of questions and these questions could have applied to any active child. I turned in both questionaires and the doc put him on Ritalin at first, very small dose. This kid went from being very slim and within a matter of months, gain weight, about 20 pounds. He complained of being dizzy and sick all the time. I stopped the meds on my own, and the school nurse called and asked why his meds were not refilled, because I didn't send any. I was instructed that he would need to stay on these meds. I fought them on and off until he reached the 5 grade. But before he hit the 5 grade, the doc changed him from Ritalin to Adderall. A whole new world opened up.. He started hearing voices. About 2 years ago, I heard a documentary about the side effects of Adderall. One of which it enduces side effects such as hearing voices. I am glad that I choose to fill so many scrips and trashed them. I asked the doc if he could write the mediciation so he wouldn't have to take it at school, because he was embarrased. So that fixed the problem.. As long as I proved that I filled the med. No blood work was ever done today he is in the 8 grade and doing just great. From time to time he will still hear a voice call his name, but other than that he is great. I will never forget the night he came running in my room scared to death, around 8 years of age, totally shaking and scared of something. Not even laying in bed with me could comfort him. The devil is a liar and he can stay in hell. What do I think of ADD, it is a spirit that needs to be cast back into hell. The medication opened up doors in my sons life of which we have shut and never again will I send anyone of mine back to a doc or school that tells me that he is ADD, they stand the chance of being rebuked and a door calmly shut in there face.
jhamner
QUOTE(Pamela @ Jan 6 2006, 06:52 PM)
When my son was around 7 his teacher requested that I take him to the doctor to get tested for ADD/ADHA.  He was quite an active kid, and at times he could be handful.  Though I never saw him unable to concentrate on one task.  He could sit and play for hours with out going from one thing to the next.  I went ahead and took him, and the test was 2 pieces of paper.  One for me to fill out and one for the teacher to fill out.  It was a range of questions and these questions could have applied to any active child.  I turned in both questionaires and the doc put him on Ritalin at first, very small dose.  This kid went from being very slim and within a matter of months, gain weight, about 20 pounds.  He complained of being dizzy and sick all the time.  I stopped the meds on my own, and the school nurse called and asked why his meds were not refilled, because I didn't send any.  I was instructed that he would need to stay on these meds.  I fought them on and off until he reached the 5 grade.  But before he hit the 5 grade, the doc changed him from Ritalin to Adderall.  A whole new world opened up.. He started hearing voices.  About 2 years ago, I heard a documentary about the side effects of Adderall.  One of which it enduces side effects such as hearing voices.  I am glad that I choose to fill so many scrips and trashed them.  I asked the doc if he could write the mediciation so he wouldn't have to take it at school, because he was embarrased.  So that fixed the problem.. As long as I proved that I filled the med.  No blood work was ever done today he is in the 8 grade and doing just great.  From time to time he will still hear a voice call his name, but other than that he is great.  I will never forget the night he came running in my room scared to death, around 8 years of age, totally shaking and scared of something.  Not even laying in bed with me could comfort him.  The devil is a liar and he can stay in hell.  What do I think of ADD, it is a spirit that needs to be cast back into hell.  The medication opened up doors in my sons life of which we have shut and never again will I send anyone of mine back to a doc or school that tells me that he is ADD, they stand the chance of being rebuked and a door calmly shut in there face.
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You go girl.

While I am not judging anyone who has a child on any medication, and openly admitting that I am not a trained psychiatrist or doctor...

I am VERY suspicious of drugs. People in other countries and cultures in America think we are nuts diagnosing our children with ADD. They submit that the problem is proper behavioral training. Even in Europe, ADD and ADHD is simply NOT diagnosed.

Ridalin is attributed to later cocaine use (it is basically the same chemical). The chances of a child abusing cocaine later in life who has been prescribed Ridalin is astronomically higher than a child who has never taken the drug.

I work in a school full of children/young adults that are kicked out of regular high schools. They are drug users, gang bangers, teen parents, you NAME it, I deal with it. These kids are off the charts- many of them cannot sit in a chair more than 5 minutes (and they are 15,16,17, and 18 years old). I would not prescribe medicine... I would prescribe setting goals, better parenting, BETTER DIETS, etc.

Finally, I agree with Pamela in that drugs open the door to darker powers.

God creates quiet personalities. God also creates active little boys who have no business sitting in a chair all day at 5 years old.
4him
I want to thank everyone for their opinions.

I been giving my son omega 3,6,9 and magniziam. We also been trying to keep him active in sports and reading.

Its not easy but we (me, my wife and my son) are all trying our best to keep him away from meds. I just don't beleive in it.

I am sure some people may have an inbalance and may require meds but I don't feel thats the case with my son.

He doesn't seem to have alergys he just needs to keep active.

BTW he had 3 test today and got 100 on all three. As long as he gets good grades I am happy.
Pamela
QUOTE(4him @ Jan 6 2006, 07:36 PM)
I want to thank everyone for their opinions.

I been giving my son omega 3,6,9 and magniziam. We also been trying to keep him active in sports and reading.

Its not easy but we (me, my wife and my son)  are all trying our best to keep him away from meds. I just don't beleive in it.

I am sure some people may have an inbalance and may require meds but I don't feel thats the case with my son.

He doesn't seem to have alergys he just needs to keep active.

BTW he had 3 test today and got 100 on all three. As long as he gets good grades I am happy.
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You know that little inner voice telling you that he doesn't need that medication, listen to it. I wish I would have, but I am glad that I have a bigger Counselor on my side to work us through all those trials and tribulations. I stand with you on what you are doing. Get a book on herbal remedies and see what else you can give your son. When ever I am stumped, I go to my local health food store and ask questions.
Meshuganah
I think I was a very active kid in the 50's. We lived on a chook farm in Rhodesia so there was always a lot to do. When we went to church or to my dads music recitals and operas etc we (my sister too ) had to (HAD to) sit still and quiet. We had competitions holding our breath and not moving a muscle. We learned to sit still and not move for anything up to half an hour at a time.
I think we were trained not to just do as we wanted, 'cause we would get it if we did.

I am amazed at the stories I have heard about kids with 'social' problems....can't keep still, can't shut up, crying and throwing tantrums....We wouldn't dare because we would get such a hiding ...... it never did us any real harm.

Some of the stuff kids do or go through though is scarry and I feed worried for their parents.....seems that there is more to it than just discipline, but what could make a kid get so bent?
LordCome
When I was about eight a doctor diagnosed me with ADHD and wanted to put me on Ridalin, but my mother wouldn't go along with it. Instead, she decided to put me on a no sugar health food diet. As it turned out I was 'high' off of sugar.

In my humble opinion I think there are chemical imbalances that affect some people, but not to the extent that doctors are diagnosing. It seems that every active or hyper child is diagnosed as having ADD or ADHD and then put on drugs? I believe our diet has a lot to do with it.
God's Lamb
4Him......I have read that children's shots give kids all sorts of problems.....if anything I believe it is coming from children's shots. And it affects the nerves system. My husband, myself, and my oldest son had bad reactions to DPT shots.....I believe it is the Pertussin in the DPT.....we all have Dylexciya (spelling?) we reverse things...letters, numbers, words and etc.....our youngest son never had reactions with any of the shots.....he is okay. Check out Children's Shot on web.....there is a book called A Shot In the Dark...about reactions to shots and what else is in shots....like mercury. blink.gif Check out mercury posioning......I use to work of a dentist.....and could not believe the amt. of mercury in sliver fillings..... ohmy.gif A friend of mine who I had not seen in over 20 years had MS and was in a wheelchair. I asked her do you still have all your silver fillings......she said yes.....I said get them out.....and you will be walking once again. I said you have mercury posioning!!!! Several months later I ran into her again.....she was walking....and looking great.....she found a dentist that would take out all her siliver fillings.....and she no longer has MS. True Story. Now for the twist. She was my ex-boss when I was a very young hair dresser. She saved my life due to an allergic reaction to henna!!!! She rushed me to the doctor and screamed until he came and looked at me....and yelled at him what was happening to me....and I was rushed in and give a shot......for my lungs were closing off....and she had witnessed her best friend dying from what I had many year before she knew me....at that time she did not know what was happening she was too young to know. Twenty years later......I run into her while she was in her wheelchair......and told her what to do.......fate? unsure.gif No. I believe the Lord made ours paths cross once again.....for his glory..... wink.gif wub.gif Anyway....something to think about....
4him
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everwatchful
ALL kids have ADD/ADHD. It's called youthful energy.
Lucylou
I recently read an article by a pychologist explaining how boys learn differently than girls. Boys learn best when they are physically active, moving, and doing. When they are forced to sit for long periods of time they zone out. Ever ask your husband a question when he is on the sofa watching T.V.? Ha! But it makes sense. Most schools are not the best learning environments for children. We all have ADD, ADHD, OCD, ect. to some degree. As we reach adulthood we can make these tendancies work to our benefit, we learn to compensate. If medication works for you then I think it is fine. If you choose not to take it I think that is fine as well. God Bless, pray and the answer will come!
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