Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them].

Love this word but I think it would be decidedly unhandy to a lot of people if any man could move a mountain by speaking to it. I suspect the mountain is an obstacle to be removed, not a literal mountain. Have you ever moved a mountain obstacle by your faith in God and in His word? A turn around in life for which there is no other qualification than answered prayer?

I am grappling with issues of believing and saying. It is scriptural obviously but at what level of endeavour will we see success?

I am afraid to get everything I ask for, because I don't know the future.

I am reminded of the movie Darby O'Gill and the Little People. Darby finally caught a little people! Not just any of them...the King! So he gets three wishes.

Now Darby had been telling everyone at the pub there were little people and they all laughed at him until today..they would never laugh at him again!

Wish number 1: I wish they could see you. So he showed them and they all saw him...as a rabbit. So he began to really consider his next wishes! A large house on the hill? It would be impossible to manage without servants...every wish he thought of would not do until he thought of a wish that helped his daughter.

I could wish for a car and God could not give it. And I MUST believe that it was the best thing for me. perhaps I would have been killed. perhaps....there are many answers.

I don't expect to get everything I wish for even in faith, because my faith lies in that He knows best for me whether it is good for me or not.

leia

I believe it is the real mountain that will move. I have been doing a study on this a long time too. Its a hard thing to describe. In order for faith to work, there are a few things that must be in line. I cannot "teach" here as I am also still in learning mode, but I truly believe it is scriptural for us to be far more than we believe us capable. All through Jesus.
One has to remember that Jesus came to restore us. A clue is in Adam , who had to rule a planet. How?

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I believe it's both literal and allegorical...

We were talking about 'almost' car wrecks on this forum a while back and a couple of us testified how we believed it "should have been" That it seemed to pass right through us.

Also John Hagee and bullets that should have hit him...

Also TBN has a great story about God literally causing the TV signal to pass right through a mountain...You should try to find that testimony.

The great begining days of TBN...

Now for the reply!

In reply to bold type....You and I will always be in learning mode. Ken Copleand said he and Gloria have been studying God's word for thirty years and they have still just barely scratched the surface.

That is why I just try and be a little bold (if not obtrusive) about my line of understanding. You have to start somewhere. I would hope I simply do not know just enough to be dangerous. I also am pleased that for the most part those of you who have been a mirror of my posts have reflected much the same lines of thought back to me. There is comfort in knowing one is on track according to our limited understanding of God, which is, BTW, very limited. ...

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

But He leadeth us

Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory....

A principal of thought would be that God has this awesome power. Incredible beyond imagining. We would never be entrusted with more than a small part of that power, even if to us it was a mountain moving ability. You would have to be extremely mature (Christlike) and well able to control "self" (temperance) in order to walk in this arena...The Lord once told me that the power is real and that it is available, but most of us would be like five year olds with a shotgun. He said for that reason power is withheld until we are ready to manage it. He led me to this word at that time. Even the disciples were not ready to flow at that level...

Luk 9:52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. Luk 9:53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save [them]. And they went to another village.

Can you see in this forum (self included) how dangerous many of us would be if we could call down fire? How many of us (self included) would use the power to exalt "self?" It would be a given that many of us (self included) would be shooting buckshot word and signs and wonders as if they were aimed at crows in a field of corn. I think the time will come for a few, but not all to hold this power.

2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

You are right Maz...about the power.

But one does come and use it daily.

He's constantly offering it up and his cup is almost full.

He usurps the power of God and wields his evil sword to orchestrate end times events.

There are many pictures l could post....but l won't do it.

Intriguing

Miki..I don't understand a lot of what you're sharing here..If you're at liberty to...could you clarify? Are you talking about the devil...the antichrist...or someone else?

It's best l've found...To keep your eyes on Jesus....

Indeed it is so, but in that we will eliminate a multitude of posts. Most are on peripheral issues and most of those are on "standing" instead "walking..."

Jesus has told me that if we spent as much time walking WITH Him as we have in standing FOR Him, much would be done...our power is in walking, our defence is in standing...

Now THAT I can understand!!!! Thank you!