Hi everyone,

I would like to clear my statements.

In my experiences and obvious observation, both Catholics and Protestants try very hard to hide the whole truth. Please don't finger point only at the Catholic churches. I hope everyone open your eyes to churches politics and be fair in assesing what is going on behind the closed doors. We have to ask around questions and see if they are willing to tell the whole truth.

The Bible tells us that have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness.

If the churches have so many things to hide they can not be fruitful for the Lord.

Of course if we are not wholehearted or committed Christians, we realy don't care what our leaders are doing.

In general and IMHO, what is going in the churches are spiritual disaster. That's the main reason why my family and I don't attend organized church.

I believe your statment barely even touches the truth of the matter. I shudder when I think of it.

Would you clarify what you mean? Thank you.

gingercat..

You bless me.

Jeep was agreeing with you and was simply saying that your staement doesn't
cover nearly all the truth of the corruption in the religious systems of today.
I agree with both of you.

It was the religious people that delivered our savior over to the Romans for
crucifixion. Nothing has changed.

Peace, Tom

I have been broadcasting about this and getting stonned at everywhere I go. But if we know the truth and don't tell it we are in deep troubel with Him too. I am very surprised that I don't get massive attacks.

Thank you for your encouragement. You bless me too. Both of you.

The Bible says expose the evil deeds.

His servant.

Good post.

That’s why we must focus on Jesus and follow Him. In the end we will stand before God as individuals not as denominations. I get the feeling that many people derive more of a sense of security because they belong to a "church" rather then from being a follower of Jesus.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

I couldn't agree more with all said

After posting the above response I went to another site to read and this is what I read.

"Who Will Go For Me?" by Lanna Perry
Lanna Perry
Nov 24, 2005

I have been deeply grieved the past few days because of what the Lord has shown me.

Jesus came to me in a dream, and spoke to me. The sadness He expressed was indescribable. He came to me, and said to me:

"Who will go for me? Who will stand in the gap?"

Those words continued to just be repeated over and over in my dream. The voice of the Lord booming in a way that I had never heard.

I then awoke with a sadness and longing for the body of Christ to rise up like never before, that I have not experienced.

I felt the Lord's heart in this. The Lord's heart is grieved for so many within the body of Christ are busy doing other things. Burying the dead, building a house etc. Matthew 8:20-21

I believe the Lord is calling His church to re-examine their hearts and priorities. Church, what are we really living for? What are we really desiring in our lives?

Are we on guard ready to go for the Lord when He says? Or are we too pre-occupied with things of our own lives?

It's time for the church to rise up. It's time for the church to make a decision, "who will you serve? Will you forsake all for Christ? Will you stand in the gap?"

I believe this is a challenge for us all. The Lord is grieved. I cannot express to you the burden placed upon me through this visitation. The Lord has not spoken this to bring about condemnation, but to bring about conviction and repentance from the body of Christ.


The church has become so distracted with other things, that we have lost our focus. The focus of being completely dedicated to Jesus, and placing Him above all. We have become complacent as a church – and it's time to repent church.


The Lord has so many wonderful treasures and plans awaiting each of His children, all of us, if we just take the step forward and be willing to go for Him, and to stand for Him.

Fear, insecurity, doubt keeps us from our destinies. We are not called to live in the 'what if's', we are called to live in 'obedience'.

The Lord is wanting to move in great and mighty ways but are we as a church being faithful in interceding for our leaders, for nations, for churches? Do we really want to see a mighty move of God?? Then we need to get on our knees and stand in the gap.

The Lord is not condemning us, for the Lord does not condemn, but the Lord is grieved.

Church, we really need to take our stand. Will we go for God? No matter where He calls, or what He asks us to do? No matter what He asks us to leave behind? We need to continue to ask the Holy Spirit to cultivate this attitude within our hearts.

Are we REALLY desperate to see a move of God in our churches, our towns, our cities, our nations? Are we desperate enough to stand in the gap?

It's time for us church, to stop being distracted and mucking around and start focusing on what really matters. We need to get our priorities right. The church has shamed God for too long. It's time to stand up and let the Glory of the Lord been seen in greater ways than ever before.

The Lord wants to usher forth His Spirit in greater ways than we could ever dream of, but are we willing to pay the price to usher His heart in?

Let us not find the Lord speaking of us as He did in Ezekiel 22:30

Let us not grieve His heart anymore and truly seek Him and serve Him, and we will see Him move in ways we've never dreamed of.

As we repent He is going to restore in amazing ways.

Praise the Lord

Many of you may be interested in a book called Revolution by George Barna. A small group of us met with our pastor recently about a ministry we are birthing and he asked us to read this book. He too is reading it and from what I've read, it's relevant to the topic and reasons people are leaving organized church.

A church revolution! Amen to that!! I'm seeing it where I go to church too.

Doesn't the Bible say that the judgement will begin in the church? (Can someone help me with that verse?)

Is that maybe what we're seeing now? God making the distinction between the wheat and the tares?

And some people think the cure is worse than the disease.

Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
Death to self and eternal life through the LORD Jesus Christ.


Miki,
you wrote..
"And some people think the cure is worse than the disease."

The people that can 'see' the cure are those that Jesus has shown the disease to.
Those that 'see' the disease have a choice. Sit in the pew and do nothing. Or stand
up and alert the people around them that there is disease in their midst.
The disease is sin(lies) in the churches which is poison and brings death to the partakers. The cure for the lie is the Truth. We are called to worship God in Spirit
and Truth not in flesh and lies.
Those people that can see the disease and do nothing will be damned with those
that are totally blind to the disease.
The pews are filled with people that have 'seen' and have 'heard' and yet they will
not walk in what God has shown them by Faith which WORKS by Love for Him.
When the Holy Spirit speaks to someone.. the seed of FAITH to walk in that truth comes with the Word that He has spoken. We have the choice to either Love God
and walk in what He has shown us (which is ALWAYS contrary to the worlds lies) or
we can Love our comfortable life more than we love God and do nothing with the
Word that He has shown us. What is the judgment for those that do not walk by
Faith which works by love(of God)?
Heb.10:38,39
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have
no pleasure in them.
But we are not of them who draw back unto *perdition(destruction); but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

All through the scriptures we are admonished to be Holy(separate) unto the LORD Jesus.
We are in the world but we are not of the world. What fellowship has light with darkness? What communion has righteousness with unrighteousness? A little bit
of leaven leaven the whole lump. If you keep the whole law and yet offend in even ONE point you're guilty of all.
2Cor.6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the *unclean(forbidden) thing; and I will receive you,

We are partakers in Christ's sufferings. Part of his sufferings is that He came unto
His own and His own received Him not.
It hurts when Jesus shows you the truth and you bring it to the church and the church doesn't want to hear it. They don't receive you because it demands change for them and since they want to 'keep' their life they will lose it. It is Love for God,
the Truth, and the Body of Christ which moves one to minister the rightly divided truth of God's Word.
Those that think the cure is worse than the disease are deceived and will have
no part in the inheritance of the saints.


love4all,
you asked..
"Doesn't the Bible say that the judgement will begin in the church? (Can someone help me with that verse?)"

Yes.
1Peter 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

We must first judge ourself and repent accordingly. Then we can bring the truth to
those that are lost.

then you asked..
"Is that maybe what we're seeing now? God making the distinction between the wheat and the tares?"

Very observant of you to 'see' this truth. It's certainly not the only way to spot a tare but one of the ways. It is not only "now" that this has been going on but ever
since the day of pentecost.
The separation of the 'sheep and the goats' and the 'wheat and the tares' is a daily
event in our lives with Jesus. Through obedience you can be a sheep today and
through disobedience you can be a goat tomorrow. To die to ourselves and live
unto Jesus is a daily thing.
1Cor.15:31
I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

Mat.24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

The normal 'church building' and structure will be soon a thing of the past for all
those that live Godly in Christ Jesus. Every true believer will be having fellowship
in small groups. When the mark of the beast comes the true believers will have no
other choice but to fellowship 'underground'.
Here is a little bit of Wisdom.
Make to yourself friends of the mam'mon of unrighteousness ..

Peace, Tom