I would like to know does Daniel 12: 12 = 13350 mean anything; if so what, where, when and how?

those are the days of the last part of the tribulation; blesseth is he that will see Him coming back taking dominion over the Earth, ending the reign of all the world-empires. Fullfilling the vision and sealing of the prophecy that was given to Daniel.

It is commonly believed that the 1,335 days refers to half of the 7 year peroid known as the tribulation.

Doing the math,

If you use 365 days as a year
1,335 divided by 365 = 3.6575 years

If you use 360 days as a year
1,335 divided by 360 = 3.7 years

So, 3.6 or 3.7 years is 'about' 3 1/2 years.

I hope this helps.

Pilgrim-Larry

Please see my website on bible numbers for more on this subject. 360 calendar

The 1335 is simply 1260 (3.5 x 360) plus an additional leap month of 30 days (to make 1290). The remaining 1.5 months (to make 1335) is part of a final countdown till the full completion of this period. I have found that the numbers do run on other levels too, such as 13350. But the main thrust is the 1335, which, as was said in the above post, is a type of 3.5 years---half of the 7 years spoken of by the prophets. In the context of Daniel 12, it seems that the last 3 days of the 1335 imply a resurrection. "Go your way Daniel, you will sleep---and arise at the end of the days." For all its worth, 666 x 2 = 1332, plus 3 days = 1335 = death and resurrection? Recall the 3.5 days of the 1260 of the two witnesses of Rev. 12.

Anyway---"Blessed is he that waits and reaches till the 1335th day," we are waiting Lord Jesus, we, and those that died, and those that will belong to the final 1335 days.

These are all good replies.
The question is, when did this prophecy begin? I heard someone say he thought it was A.D. 622, but that didn't click with me. So far, the best beginning point of the abolishment of the daily sacrifices and the erection of the abomination that causes desolation has been the erection of that moslem (the one that everyone is fighting over-forgive me the name of it has slipped my memory now) in Jerusalem that was set up by the invading Arabian armies in A.D. 688. This goes well also in that it was in 1945 that the country was returned to Israel's people. 1945 marks the 1260 days (years) since 688. 1290 would be 145, and the 1335 mark would be 2023.

I know that the cycle (precession) of the equinoxes ends in the year 2012, as well as the ending of the ancient Mayan calendar in this year as well. The precession of the equinoxes is a 25,00-year cycle that supposedly ends in 2012. This is another que that makes me think that the end of this 1335-year prophecy may more likely be around 2012 or after sometime.

Anyone with anything to add to this?

sincerely.jon
divine_evolution777@yahoo.co.kr

Wow. I made TWO mistakes in that last post. haha.

Corrections below:

"1290 would be 1945"
"25,000-year cycle"


.JH

So? What's your conclusion even if it is as you said?

It is tough to understand why Lot offered his daughters to the gay mob. I assume that the mob would have killed the girls with their many rapes.

BUT, let me try. I may be grasping at straws.

Suppose,
Lot knew that the mob would refuse the girls. The mob would rather have the angels, who were quite attractive (they were from Heaven. Wouldn't Angels be "good looking"?). The mob was fascinated at the appearance of the angels.

Lot's offer to give the girls was not a serious offer, and the mob knew it. Lot was showing how desparate he was to protect the angels (they were from God). Lot's offer to give the girls was a "Rhetorical" offer, not to be taken seriously, and the mob knew it. Lot's offer is so incredible that we can't understand it as a serious offer. And the mob got the message: it's NOT a serious offer. It's a "poetic" way of pleading with the mob "Don't hurt these men!"

The girls had been in Sodom for years. They had not been raped yet. The mob wanted the angels (they were "pretty" (for lack of a better word) men). And the angels were a novelty (the Sodom-ites had never seen such men before). There was something about those angels. ....
OR, maybe it has something to do with: It was the End-Times for Sodom. The spiritual warfare was at fever pitch. Satan's super-natural influence upon the Sodom-ites was at the highest point that God would allow.
God was teaching us a lesson: Without God, we are totally useless, wicked, lunatic, FOOLISH, CRAZY. This is the end of the road; total confusion, total darkness, how very sad. What a great warning to us.

If anyone ever walked in darkness, it was these people on that night. They were blind, at night-time, and God had abandoned them to total spiritual darkness of mind. No spiritual Light in their hearts and minds. Does this describe certain people in our world today? Gay Pride Parade? Partial Birth Abortion? The viscious hatred of the Bible?

It's astounding that every man (young and old) wanted to mate with the angels, even after they were all struck blind! Was this phenomena super-natural? It had to be super-natural! No person in his natural mind would keep searching for the door after he is struck blind! Genesis 19:11 "They wearied themselves to find the door." Incredible! These people were under the influence of powerful super-natural forces.
Was it from the Lord? Did God turn their minds over to this un-natural incredible lust and in-sanity? Compare this to Romans chapter 1. God changed the men from hetero to homo?


Romans 1:26 God abandoned them to their shameful desires.

dennis manning

If my post is wrong (and I don't know that it's right), how can Lot be righteous after offering his daughters to the mob?
I have no idea.
I don't have all the answers.

If it's impossible to resist the "pressure of the mob" in the End-Times, what am I to do? Run for the "back side of the wilderness and desert"? Be a hermit?

How can a righteous God bring punishment to the whole world if it's impossible to resist the "pressure of the mob"?
Each individual is responsible for his own sins, isn't he?

I have no personal contact with gays, so I guess I lead a sheltered life. I don't know the name of a single gay in my area. There are some. I just don't know them. Most of the people I work with are "country-folks". I'm self-employed, so most of the people that hire me are of the same culture that I am. They are mostly Semi-Christian. Nominal Christians. The children of Christians. I guess they would be called Post-Christian. Lukewarm, at best. Yet, they do have a code of ethics which is semi-workable. Most pay their bills. Most are semi-monogamous. Most stay out of jail. Most show respect for everybody. But, do they have confidence in the Bible? Absolutely NOT. What will their children be like? Not good.

The people in my area are NOT NEARLY as evil as the crowd in Sodom. Are we saying that in a few years, they will be? To do that, we'll need tremendous miracles and tricks from Satan to get it done. What should I do in the meantime? Take a nap?

Buy a spiritual atomic bomb for the coming spiritual warfare?

Abraham was in the wilderness, up in the hills, watching his sheep, talking with our Lord, eating a meal with the Almighty, and receiving revelations of things to come from the Lord, negotiating (interceding) with the Lord for his nephew and the righteous.

Genesis 18:27 Then Abraham spoke again. "Since I have begun, let me go on and speak further to my Lord, even though I am but dust and ashes". (NLT)

dennis manning

As per J. Vernon McGee, no nation ever had an atheist national culture until Joseph Stalin came along in Russia. Stalin said "We have deposed the czars of the earth, we shall now dethrone the Lord of Heaven. Let us go forth and Christ shall be relegated to mythology".
Ezekiel 38 "Russ" (Hebrew "Rosh") is traced forward to the modern name Russia, and is the only name of a modern nation found in the OT (I guess they're not including Israel).
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The USA has denied the existance of God with the teaching of evolution in the government schools.

I'm still thinking that:
God can tolerate a lot of sin. King David was forgiven of murder and adultery. But when we deny that He exists, WATCH OUT! WATCH OUT! We've crossed a line that He has no patience for.

God draws Russia down into Israel for destruction and rebuke (Ezekiel 38-39). Why? Russia was the first nation to deny the existance of God.

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Genesis 18 and 19
the Lord = Heavenly Father

Abraham = the great Intercesser (Christ), up on the hill, looking down on the End-Time world, pleading with the Father for the saints (Christ's Bride).

Lot = the last generation of the Church, who are righteous, but their righteous spirits are vexed by the sin around them (2 Peter 2:7). The Church is almost completely gone, and is having no response from the preaching (no converts). 3 people spared (raptured) out of 1 city. (Noah had no response from his preaching)

Lot's wife = the 5 foolish virgins or fake christians within the Church's fellowship.

Lot's virgin daughters = ?? the Church's children who are under the age of accountability ?? (girls married at about age 13 back then)

Sarah = ?




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If we get a "nuclear winter" when Yellowstone explodes, people will not be "marrying and giving in marriage, eating and drinking". Life will NOT be "life as usual." Jesus said "I'll come back when you least expect it. Like a thief in the night. The Church will be sleeping. People will be living as usual. Getting married. Sowing and reaping."
My point is:
The rapture has to be before Yellowstone explodes (or any other fantastic world-wide disaster).


I saw Jim Jarman again today. He said he preached in Nigeria recently. He said he personally preached to, and baptized, 10,000 Moslems (Pakistan, I think). I asked him if his arm got tired (baptizing). He said yes. He is going to London, very soon. He's asking for prayer for his ministry. I asked him if he had a congregation here to support him. He said "The support comes from various sources, some local business men gave me some money". I told him that I give 10% to ministries (World Relief, Christian Radio), but I'm not doing anything nearly as big as his ministry. He said "That's not any problem. Many people can't do what I do."

dennis manning

I've never seen the "age of accountability" in the Bible. But, I've heard Chistians talk about it. It may be a man-made thing.

Infant Baptism: the preacher/pastor/priest puts water on the new-born baby or child. The baby's name is added to the church's membership list. Is the baby saved (a born again Christian)?
No! The baby did not believe the gospel, didn't confess his sins, didn't repent of his sins. The baby didn't decide that he wanted to accept Christ as saviour, didn't decide to be baptized. The parents decided for the baptism.

After the baby is grown enough to know right from wrong, then he can hear, understand, and believe the gospel (if he chooses to, with his free will). If a child is old enough to understand that he has done wrong and he is sorry about his sins and wants forgiveness (the knowledge between right and wrong. In the Garden of Eden was the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil), then the child is old enough to "accept Christ as Saviour, get saved from sin, death, hell, and the grave". I don't know what age that is. Perhaps it varies from person to person. God knows the child's heart better than the child does. The child doesn't have to know perfect doctrine, but he does need to understand that Christ has forgiven sin.

Is a Barmitzvah (spelling?) for a Jewish boy at age 13? After the Barmitzvah, the boy is counted as a man? I don't know. I've never studied that.

The "experts" on my Christian Radio say that (probably) Mary delivered Jesus and married Joseph at about age 13. Joseph was probably about 17. Because that was the typical ages for marriage in that culture. Men 17, women 13.
The man was expected to be the "breadwinner", and the home/building provider. The man would need a paying job, build a house, have a little money in the bank. So, it was normal for the man to marry a little later in life than the woman. He had to accumalate the job/house/money before he could marry.
The man and woman probably would not need a high-school education and/or college to make a living (shepherd, farmer, fisherman, soldier, peasant, etc.). So, after they did grade school (reading and writing, arithmatic), they were ready for adult life. The culture forced them to be ready at age 17/13.
There was more discipline, religion, poverty, back then. Each family pressured the others to "be serious, do right, help one another". Their survival depended on it.

In today's world, we encourage people to be im-mature till they're about 18 or 20 years old. Our high incomes enable such foolishness. And we need the college education to make the "big money".
In the USA today, most people say that it's un-thinkable for a 13 year old girl to marry and start a family. Same for a 17 year old man.



Some people say that ALL people under the age of accountability go to Heaven when they die (as a child). Others say that only the children of saved parents go to Heaven when they die. I don't know.
King David's infant son by Bathsheba died, and David said "He cannot come back to me, but I can go to him" (David would see the baby again in Heaven after David's death).

I believe that we can trust God to do the "right thing", whatever that is. God is love and truth. He is fair.

Some people have said "There will be more babies in Heaven than adults. Many people have died as infants or children. Infant mortality is high in the Third World, and where modern medecine was not available, in the past. And abortion in the USA alone kills over a million Americans per year. The official figure for Partial Birth Abortion is 2200 babies per year in America (which is about 6 boys and girls per day, 7 days per week). What is Jesus going to do with all those babies? Only the Lord knows!

Moral ambiguity?
As far as I know, I've never led a single person to Christ and His salvation. My Sunday School teacher (an old retired tobacco farmer) told us in his class: "I've taught Sunday School for 52 years straight, and I've never led a single person to Christ and His salvation".
My point is: Noah's message was a good message (the gospel of Christ, or it's OT equivalent), but it's not Noah's fault that he never had a convert. Same for Lot, Abraham, me, and my Sunday School teacher. (As far as I know).
Maybe Lot's preaching was poor quality, I don't know. I know that Lot was righteous. Is it possible for a "righteous" man to be so defective, that he never had a convert, and it's the righteous man's fault? Can a righteous man hold the Gospel in his heart, and not tell it to others? Jeremiah couldn't hold it inside. The Gospel (and the indwelling Spirit of Christ) is super-natural and powerful.

Was Abraham preaching the gospel to the Sodom-ites? Did Abraham go down to Sodom and preach? Or did Abraham just stay in his tent in the wilderness and remain quiet as generations of Sodom-ites died un-saved and un-evangelized? Shouldn't Abraham start a Sunday School class for the children of Sodom? I don't know all the details. In this Bible story, Abraham seems to be the "good guy", and Lot seems to be the "half-good guy".

There's probably a lot of things that happened, but was not included in the Bible. God edited IN some things, and edited OUT other things so that He could lead our minds in a certain way.


dennis manning

OOOOHHHHH! So that's what moral ambiguity is! Why didn't you define it for me 3 days ago!!?? (just joking)
I was not following your drift until now.

Moral Ambiguity (in dennis manning land):
I want my children in private Christian school (out of Public, evolution, socialist, gay rights, left-wing, materialistic, anti-Christ school). So, we'll legalize private lotteries and Vegas style gambling. With my profits from the Dennis Manning Casino/Brothel, I'll have enough money to pay for Christian School for many, many children. (just joking; Jesus would send me to hell for a long time.)

Northern Kingdom, mixed with Gentiles:
I think you're referring to post-Assyrian exile.
Assyria sent Gentiles to the Northern Kingdom to settle with the remnants of the 10 Northern tribes in the (former) Northern Kingdom. The 10 tribes inter-married with the Gentiles, and the Samaritans were the descendants. In Jesus' time, the Jews (Southern Kingdom, Judea) despised the Samaritans (half-breeds, who believed only the first 5 books of the OT). Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well that salvation is of the Jews (not Samaria). Remember the Good Samaritan?

If there is a Abraham/South and Lot/Northern symbolism, I've never heard of it.

Abraham gave Lot first choice of the land. Abraham took whatever land that Lot didn't want. Abraham was very generous.

Lot was not living Biblical (OT, Mosaic Law) separation (from the wicked). Abraham was separated from the wicked. Lot's daughters broke the Mosaic Law (they were inter-marrying with non-Israelites), but Moses had not been born at that time. So, the Law had not been given yet. And Israel hadn't been born yet. The Abrahamic Covenant (with God) was with Abraham, not Lot. Abraham told Lot that "We need to separate from each other" (Abraham sent Lot away ??????).
Abraham did NOT tell Lot to settle among the wicked.

The righteous (Abraham and Lot and families) were surrounded by multitudes of the wicked, un-churched, un-believers. If the righteous had preached to the wicked, there would be such peer-pressure from the wicked/majority, few or no converts would result.
Perhaps if the righteous were 25% of the population, Abraham and Lot would have had some converts.
End-Time parallel:
When the righteous are in such a tiny minority, few or no converts occur.

Jesus and the early Church performed astounding miracles to corroborate the Message, and they had some converts. Most people dis-believed, even after seeing the blatant miracles. And Jesus was preaching in a nation where the audience was already partially Righteous (the OT saints). That nation was saturated with OT Religion.
Lot was preaching in a City that was saturated in wickedness. And Lot had no blatant miracles (Signs from God).

I (and Abraham, Lot) have had no blatant miracles (Signs from God to the un-believers). And we have no converts. Abraham, Lot, and I have ministered in a time when the Righteous are a tiny percentage of the population.

dennis manning

Is God ever morally ambiguous?
Thank you very much for such a wonderful question. I don't know what to say.

But, I'll speak anyway. Lord, help me.

Jesus said "A person who is forgiven little, loves little. A person who is forgiven much, loves much".

Suppose someone like Hitler or Stalin is converted before he dies. Think of the love that they would have for our Lord! They would love the Lord more than I love the Lord! Is that FAIR???? I'm a little ticked off!!! (I'm just joking)

Would Hitler love the Lord more than me in eternity?, or would Hitler love the Lord more than me just in this sinful life? I don't know which Jesus meant.

Oh! Taste and see that the Lord is Good! (I thought I might should add that. I probably have a chastening coming up.)

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Eze 14:9 The Lord can deceive the prophet just like he can bring Assyria into Israel. Both are punishments, judgements, rebukes, chastenings.

Isaiah 45:7 There were no bad times until Adam sinned the Original Sin. Bad times are NOT God's fault. God uses bad times to bring us suffering (suffering produces character), to punish us for wrong behaviour, to test our faith and love, to chasten us. If the hairs of our heads are numbered, then God is deeply involved in our lives, whether we know it or not.

We preached evolution to our children. So, God punished and rebuked us with homosexuality, AIDS, the World Trade Center attack, and other disasters and troubles.

If God was not interested in saving repentant sinners, then God could have destroyed Adam on the minute that he sinned, and I would have never been born. No suffering for me! And I would have never enjoyed God's love, either.

So, I see no sin in God. I do see a loving, fair, and wise God, reaching out to sinners, eager to save us from our sin.
Can we suggest that God is not totally fair and loving and truthful? We can't go there! It's un-thinkable! What a mess we would be in! That would mean that God has lied to us in the Bible. What if He sends all of us to Hell, regardless of our faith, love, obedience, repentance, etc.? WE CAN'T GO THERE! We have to believe that He is Good, just like the Bible tells us. And we do have a lot of reason and evidence to believe the Lord. The Joy of the Lord, for example. The Joy is a super-natural phenomenon. How else to explain it?

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God could do much different if we were perfect. But we are awful, even on our best day. He's doing the best He can with what He has to work with.


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Everyone in this area has always thought that we are Gentiles. We are mostly Scotch, Irish, English, etc (I think, I don't know much about our history). There's no British Israel here (that I know of).
I heard that DNA comparisons of Mormon people and Jews has proven that Mormons are not descended from Jews. Could that same research be done for Britains and Jews?

I'm certainly not opposed to being a Messianic Jew.
If I am a Messianic Jew, does that mean that I have to live any different from a Christian Gentile? Can I eat pork? Do I have to attend the 3 festivals in Jerusalem every year? Will I have to live in, and serve the Lord in, the Promised Land (as described in the OT) throughout the Millennium? Must I leave my farmland idle every seventh year? And observe the Jubilee? Do Observant Orthodox Jews do these things today?

dennis manning

Just something to ponder on...
If you take the years 2012 thru 2020 and add them this way... (a very 'child-like' thing, as you can see)


20 12
20 13
20 14
20 15
20 16
20 17
20 18
20 19
20 20
144! (For the 144,000 ? of Rev 7:4; 14:1, 3 )

Revelation 14:4 says, "These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins (i.e. spiritually pure and rejecting false doctrine). These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were *redeemed (M-text adds *by Jesus) from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

(perhaps the 7 year Tribulation does fit somewhere within these years?)

Blessings,

Ish

This scripture in Daniel 12:12 has a two fold meaning. It means those who indure to the 1335 th day will receive what they were waiting for, the Blessed one, our LORD. When the blessed one returns those who are blessed and have indured to the end will go up to meet him in the air at his comming. also those who are HIS who have died for their testamony who sleep in the dust will arise to their inheritance.



By faith in HIM alone
a son of man

Simple, I'm sorry. I found this post the first time, today.
Delayed reply.
40 lashes minus 1.

I was a tiny bit familiar with British Israelism.
But your thinking that "God scattered the ten tribes across the whole world", I am unfamiliar with that.

Sorry. I mixed the 2 beliefs together.
You've studied it more than I have.

If the Vatican has deleted, excised, or added to the Word of God, think of the punishment for that! (shudder)
Pope after Pope after Pope, knowing this stuff, and NOT bringing it to public knowledge.
And I don't know that such a thing happened. I'm only following your lead.
If our current Pope DID reveal an excising like that, it would make us wonder: What else have they added or deleted, and it's STILL a secret?

Perhaps, for me, it's far better to "think" that the Bible is STILL intact and un-changed. Lord, help us!

Even if the Bible is terribly corrupted by deletions and additions, the really BIG stuff (like The Golden Rule) is knowable because of our conscience and the Holy Spirit. The Spirit hasn't changed. Thank the Lord. He still loves us.
We will be judged according to "What did we know, and when did we know it?" (To coin a phrase)


dennis manning

The following is quoted from the first post in a series about Hurricane Katrina that has been updated since it was originally written:

"...Here is another quote from another article written a couple of months before the above one. This was written just after the Balance Bible Code came to me. (430 days later was Hurricane Katrina.) This article is about the first Hurricane (Charlie). Katrina was the seventh Hurricane that the Spirit of God spoke to me about in relation to this same code. The context of this document is the Olympic games in Greece. God is challenging the gods of this world to a contest!

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http://www.bible-codes.org/bible-code-meno...Isaiah-nebo.htm

"Baffling Hurricane Charley"
(Please note: The hurricane is more a warning of what's to come
then it is a fulfillment of this code.
An economic depression is what is mainly being forewarned by this code.
God is merciful and will use this for good in the lives of those devastated.)

(Note: Note the economic repercussions of these Hurricanes.)

The same night that I put out this document, (Pub. Aug. 3, 2004, 10 pm) unknown to me, the Olympic flame reached a pivotal point in its journey in Greece. Here is an excerpt from the official Olympic website as to this special day of the passing of The Flame. Note the glory that they heaped upon their ancient pagan gods. The true God is a Jealous God! God calls for a contest of His own---as said earlier.

The actual Olympic contests began 10 days later on Friday the 13th---the same day when the hurricane struck America twice---the worst in 12 years---the same day that the Lord showed me the axe laid to the root of the tree along with the rod over the river---this day was also 365 days after the great blackout that fell over a large potion of the USA and Canada. I do not believe these things to be coincidental---but neither is this the main judgment implied by the code. The hurricane(s) is just preliminary---just as the fall of the Twin Towers was preliminary to the Iraq war, which was the explicit fulfillment of the mene-tekel code. This new bible code again builds upon the previous picture-codes before it. This new code strongly suggests a coming economic depression.


The hurricane put the lights ('lamps') out for days for over a million people (like the Great Blackout one-year earlier), and felled many 'trees'. When I discovered in the picture-code this axe-to-the-root, I sensed the Spirit of God saying: "The axe is laid to the root. Judgment begins!" (This was about 4 pm, Aug 12, and again repeated on the 13th).

Thus, the contest with Bel (Baal) began! (See Isaiah 46:1, which is where this code is found).

Baal was the storm god, and his son, Nebu, was the god of science. God challenges Baal and son to repeat this picture-code that went out on the Net the very same day the gods of Greece were praised in anticipation of the Olympics games, (Aug. 3). And then, 10 days later on the first day of the Olympic games this great storm (hurricane) struck. The scientists were baffled by it in that it suddenly intensified, missing its mark by about 90 miles, catching them by surprise...

"More could be said in the numbers---for they are very awesome. The weighing-scales used in Ezekiel's prophecy about the 390 and 40 (= 430) days/years, (Ezek. 4) is also very crucial to the code. The theme of "bearing up" connects the thoughts in Ezekiel with Isaiah 46:1-6 wherein this code is embedded. And this same code came to me on June 27, 2004, which is 1260 + 1335 years (Revelation 12 and Daniel 12) to the very day (on the 360-cal.) from when Ezekiel finished laying on his side 390 days (a day for each year) "to bear the sins of the house of Israel." It is also "the house of Israel" that is being borne up in the right hand (handle) of the balance!"


(Note: All of the above was written at the said web page. Some 390 days after this bible code came on the morning of June 27, 2004 was the sixth hurricane in which God spoke to me about ...that is, Hurricane Emily. And 40 more days (or 430 days total) was Hurricane Katrina ---the seventh hurricane. More could be said about this as well, for the week that Ezekiel lay overwhelmed (Ezekiel 1-3) before he began symbolically besieging Jerusalem 390 + 40 (430) days is also being forwarded in time to the present!

Also, on this same day (the same 430th day from the river bible code), about 1000 died in Iraq (ancient Babylon). They drowned in the Tigris river or were trampled to death on the bridge over top this river. This is the same river mentioned in Dan. 12. The day is annually marked by self-flagellation, the same as practiced by the prophets of Baal in the days of Elijah, (see 1Kings 18). After this showdown Elijah went 40 days into the desert to the place where Moses also had spent 40 days. The text where the river bible code is encoded mentions "Bel" (Baal), the god of Babylon, (Isaiah 46:1-6) as being made to “bow”. The word in the river (Balance) bible code also mentions “bowing” two times, but the word can also mean to “abate” (as in the flood waters of Noah ‘abated’), or to be “calm” (as in the ‘calming’ of the storm).

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By Associated Press  |  September 1, 2005

The Shi'ite Muslim ceremony that pilgrims were marking yesterday commemorates the death of the seventh imam, one of 12 imams revered in the Shi'ite branch of Islam. That imam, Imam Moussa ibn Jaafar al-Kadhim, died in the year 799. Each year, on the date on the Islamic calendar that marks his death, devout Shi'ites gather at the site of a mosque in the northern Baghdad neighborhood of Kadhimiya that is believed to sit atop his tomb.

Dressed in black, the pilgrims walk in groups to the shrine, flogging themselves with iron chains and slicing their foreheads with swords. The self-flagellation slowly turns their cloaks red with blood in a ritual of grief that was banned under ousted dictator Saddam Hussein.

As said, that very day, 430 days from when the river-balance bible code came to me, on this very day ---the seventh hurricane --- God forced the knee to ‘bow’ in New Orleans (by turning "Southern Decadence Day" into "A Day of Prayer"); and He bowed or ‘abated’ the flood water (i.e., that same day the waters in New Orleans began to “abate”); and He ‘stilled’ the storm (i.e., by that same Wednesday the storm had largely dissipated); and in Iraq, (ancient Babylon), the Babylonian god ‘Bel’ (Baal) was judged ---for the god of Islam is simply a rehash of one of the ancient gods of Babylon. And fittingly this tragedy occurred over the Tigris river for this is the same river mentioned in Dan. 12, where we have “the angel above the river” and the “1290” and “1335 days”. And on the 360-calendar this same day was the seventh day of Tabernacles, “That Great Feast day.”

Moreover, 1260 + 1290 days from this year’s tabernacles will be the seven days of Tabernacles in the year AD 2012. (1260 + 1290 days is seven years on the 360-calendar of the prophets). Now it happens that Belshazzar of Babylon and Babylon itself also fell during Tabernacles. (Recall the writing on the wall of Dan. 5. See the “Mene-Tekel-Peres Bible Code.”) And the seven days of Tabernacles is often thought by bible-prophecy students to symbolize the coming Seven-year Tribulation Period (lasting 1260 + 1290 days) --- “a day for every year”. This is all the more remarkable when we realize that the end of the Seven-year Great Tribulation period is marked by the fall of “Mystery Babylon”! (Rev. 18-19.)

As said, 1260 + 1290 days is the literal span of the seven-year tribulation period spoken of in the bible, which, as said, is symbolized by the seven days of Tabernacles, (for “a day is as a year” Ezekiel 4). Well, most remarkably, it happens that the seven days of Tabernacles in AD 2012 (i.e., 1260 + 1290 days from now) is that same number of ‘years’ back to the actual fall of Babylon and her king ---Belshazzar ---concerning which the book of Revelation alludes much. That is, 1260 + 1290 YEARS from Tabernacles in 539 BC ---when Babylon fell ---will be Tabernacles in AD 2012 ---seven years from now, or 1260 + 1290 days!

Thus, not only was this day, Aug. 31, 2005, exactly 430 days from when the river-balance bible code was revealed to me (which, in turn, was 1260 + 1335 years to the day from the 390th day of Ezekiel’s symbolic siege for Israel [Ezek. 4] ---with 40 days more for Judah ---- a total of 430 days), but this seven-day period (Aug. 24-31st, 2005) is also therefore 1260 + 1290 years and days back to the fall of Babylon in 539 BC and the writing on the wall! Moreover, Tabernacles 2005 is also 1150 times 3 years back to the very first would-be feast of Tabernacles just after the Exodus from Egypt (1446 BC). (See Dan. 8 for the 2300 “evening and mornings”, i.e., 1150 days).

Thus, God has everything timed on His bible prophecy clock!

I can hear someone saying that all this hinges on the 360 calendar of the prophets. However, this calendar has been on the net for a number of years now, with many such case examples as just shown. But for the sake of argument, God uses the normal Jewish calendar system too. (And this too I maintain on my web sites). Well then, it happens that the trial of Saddam Hussein (‘king of Babylon/Iraq’) is scheduled to begin Oct. 19, 2005, which is Tishri 16th on the Jewish calendar, which is the second day of Tabernacles, and the anniversary of the fall of Babylon and death of Belshazzar, king of Babylon in 539 BC, (Dan. 5). As usual, God is using both calendars as a double witness!

Case closed!

God is saying: “Wake up earth! The time of your visitation draws near!”

This was quoted from the first post in a series about Hurricane Katrina that has been updated since it was originally written:

658 AD Dome on the rock, no more sacrifices by the Jews, 1290 days (day for a year) later, Jews given own nation in 1948, from 1290 to 1335 days, 45 days, the last of the Jews were released and allowed to leave, 1993.

Yes, the Dome of the Rock construction began in 688. The Lord gave us mathematical perfection in which Daniel's 1290 days pinpoint exactly the year of construction of the Dome of the Rock, and pinpoint the peak of Islam's first Jihad exactly on the year of the Battle of Tours France, with the 1330 day. The same mathematical method also exactly pinpoints the Messiah being "cut off" right when he was crucified. This method also brings perfect unity/integration to Daniel with Revelation, which also pinpoints 688 and the Dome of the Rock. But it doesn't fit doctrine so the Church can't see it.
This is the thread:
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=7586

Partial quote from thread:

2. Maybe another Old Testament problem is in order:
Daniel 12:11: And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Sacrifices were suspended three times in the Old Testament: once before Daniel (Chronicles 28:24-25), once during the Babylonian captivity in 583 BC (Chronicles 36:19 and Ezra 3:6), and once, about four hundred years later, by the Greek king Antiochus Epiphanies. So to which event do you suppose the Lord might be referring? Well, to whom was this prophecy given? To Daniel. Result: we have every reason to believe that the Lord was referring to sacrifices that were abolished during Daniel's own lifetime: to an abolition of sacrifices to which Daniel could relate!

These Old Testament day/years would also be something that Daniel could relate to or 1290 - 360 day - Hebrew years, each year being equal to .9857 solar year. 1290 x .9857=1271.5 solar years. Subtracting 583 (because it is BC) we get .... 688.5 AD. A quick Yahoo search confirms that this was the year that construction began on the Dome of the Rock.
For more see 1290 day thread:
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=6384

Bishop Sophronious may offer some additional insight: "When Khalifah Omar entered Jerusalem in 639AD, he was met by Sophronius, Bishop of the Jerusalem Church, who showed him around the city. Seeing the temple mount (then in rubble), Omar declared that he was going to build a memorial to Muhammad on the original site of the temple of God. Sophronius exclaimed in horror, "Verily, this is the Abomination of Desolation as spoken of by Daniel the prophet", and it now stands in the holy place. Though Sophronius was a very old man of about 80, Khalifah Omar put him in prison and to forced labor, the severities of which killed him."

3. Let's try the very next verse:
Daniel 12:12: Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

1335 x .9857 = 1315.9 - 583 (BC) = 732.9 AD Rounding down we get 732 AD. The .9857 multiplier was used to adjust Daniel's Hebrew 360 day prophetic year with the 365.24 day years of our historical record) A quick Yahoo search determines that this was the year of the Battle of Tours, France. This is considered by many to be the most important battle, for Christianity, of the entire Christian era. Charles "Martel" (the hammer), against the odds, repelled and defeated the spread of Islam in its conquest of the world, as it headed up through Europe. This battle was the turning point in the onslaught of Islam delivering the mortal head wound to their advance, and killing the literal head of the advancing army Emir Abd er Rahman. "Without his leadership and guidance, the other commanders were unable to even agree on a commander to lead them back into battle the following morning. The effect of the death of Abdul Rahman on both Islamic and world history was profound." ".... according to one unidentified Arab, 'That army went through all places like a desolating storm.' sacking and capturing the city of Bordeaux, and then defeating the army of Duke Odo of Aquitaine at the Battle of the River Garonne — where the western chroniclers state, 'God alone knows the number of the slain'—[3] and Odo fled to Charles Martel, seeking help."

It wouldn't be until well over a millennium later, that Western oil wealth would heal the wound of the leopard-bear-lion beast so that its image could begin the second Jihad, in the mold of the first Jihad. Daniel's successive kingdom beasts of lion, bear and leopard (which Bible scholars recognize as Babylon, Medo-Pursia, and Greece) are today united in antichrist, as the composite leopard-bear-lion - BEAST - we find in Revelation 13. This same geographical region today is occupied by Iran, Iraq, and Syria/Lebanon. Mathematically and textually this verse works perfectly.

Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Sort of a stop and go thing here.
You wait and you come, like wait here and then come here.
Well, you come to . . . something having to do with 1335 days.

But the word 'waiteth' . . .

H2442
חכה
châkâh
khaw-kaw'
A primitive root (apparently akin to H2707 through the idea of piercing); properly to adhere to; hence to await: - long, tarry, wait.

H2707
חקה
châqâh
khaw-kaw'
A primitive root; to carve; by implication to delineate; also to intrench: - carved work, portrayed, set a print.

. . . has the sense of marking, like 'mark the time from now to . . .'
1335 days.

What happened then; when was that?

First, Michael stood up one time AND there shall be another time of trouble (that makes 2 times). That second time of trouble will be as no other time and at that time shall (Daniel's) people be delivered; every one written in the book.
Bla, bla, bla; sleepin' in the earth, rising and shining, everlasting life or shame, etc. etc.
Now, from that time what is called the daily sacrifice which means the continuous employment, in the sense of sacrificing yourself in doing something, like the 'rebels will be put down' and the disgusting thing that makes people wonder will be given great freedom for 1290 days.

1335 - 1290 = 45

For 45 days after the daily sacrifice or the rebels are put down we are to wait.

Maybe that will be the 'end of days.'

But in verse 7 of Dan. 12 it shall be for a time (1), times (2), and a half (1/2) that it is accomplished and the powers of the holy people are scattered and 'it is finished.' (Where have you heard that before?)

1335 / 3 = 445
445 / 2 = 222 1/2
445 x 2 + 222 1/2 = 1112 1/2

There will be 1112 1/2 days for Dan. 12: 10,11 to happen.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
But go thy way till the end: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Michael is the great prince that stands up for the children of Daniel's people.
Now, who is Daniel? Daniel was the seer for king Cyrus of Persia. This chapter has to do with the tribes of Ishmael and the 12 princes. But we are looking for a copy of the great prince who is standing for the people of . . . it might be Islam...... and guess who that is? Adminijab!

He is holding strong; not budging, and he is holding hope for them in the form of nuclear power.
That, I'm sorry to say, is the abomination that makes desolate.

But, what is he going to do?

Well, we have to wait.

Putting all of this together - there is a period of 1335 days; 1112 1/2 days will be for the scattering of the powers. Divide 1335 by 30 = 44 1/2; that is, 44 months and 15 days; about 3 1/2 years. (Time, times, and a half)
1112 1/2 divided by 30 is about 38 months or about 3 years.

So half of a year we will have to wait, about 180 days.

From when though is the question. And what is the 45 days?

45 days = 1 1/2 months.

That is the time when the consideration of nuclear power will be given the thought of being allowed.

How long have the powers that be put up with Adminijab and his bluffing?

Well, probably around a month and a half, I don't know.

Well, guess what time it is. . .

This is a response to simplebaby:

From the bible titled 'The Kolbrin' from the Glastonbury Abbey in Somerset, England where the collection called 'the Bronzebook of Britian.' is kept,

Britian 5: 18,19 'Joseph Idewim (Joseph of Armathea) and his brave band came to flowering Britian three years after the death of Jesus. He converted Gladys, sister of Caradew, who married a Roman, and her sister Aigra who was the wife of Salog, the lord of Karsalog. After landing, he and his band passed through an avenue of oaks and standing stones. They first built huts over against the holy vineyard where the fruits were bitter. After all the saints had gone to their rest, the first church and its surroundings became a wild place, a refuge for wild creatures. Then, as the land remained holy, saints came from Gaul, who restored it, and one was Fairgon the Briton, who had served at this place as a youth. Idewin (Joseph) was buried in a shirt of fine linen which he had worn when burying Jesus and was stained with three spots of blood on the chest. He was buried by the two-forked cross. The saints had lived in twelve huts around a never diminishing well at the foot of the holy hill.'

This is the time frame given to Daniel for the last half of the 70th week decreed for national Israel. 1,260 days from the Abomination of desolation to the Battle of Armageddon. This will take 30 additional days to consumate. The next 45 days will involve the Lord gathering those that are left of the nations for separation and for entrance into His millennial Kingdom. [Matthew 24:31, 25:31]

Thursday, August 31, 2006, 10:00 AM PDT
UNITED NATIONS (AP) U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton says Security Council unanimity not needed before taking action against Iran over its nuclear program.

'They say time is the fire in which we burn. . . '

The 1260 days is the last half of Daniel's seventieth week.
The thirty days it the bowl judgments.
The forty-five days is for restoration and cleaning the land and getting it ready for the reign of Christ to begin.

It means that from the time the Lord sends His two witnesses of revelation 11 to take away God's sacrefice to man until the coming of Christ will be 1335 days.




Charlie

Daniel 12 is an overview of the final three and a half years of the world during the Great tribulation period including Christs return. The resurection of the dead in Christ are also mentioned as well as The two others spoke of by Christ in revelation 11 and matthew 20 and mark 10.




Charlie

Reply to all concerned: "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Da 12:12
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.Da 12:11."

From the mid-point of the seventieth week to the return of Christ at the end of the week is 1260 days. The bowls will be poured out for thirty days after Christ returns. Satan and the antichrist will be thrown into hell and for forty five days the land will be renovated and cleaned. Those that waited will be blessed because they will enter the thousand year reign of Christ.
The great tribulation is cut short by the return of Christ for his church at some point after the mid-point of the seventieth week. There is no seven year tribulation nor a three and a half great tribulation. We are told to take the scriptures literally but because of set in stone doctrines most interpretations are doctrine and definately not literal.

"From the mid-point of the seventieth week to the return of Christ at the end of the week is 1260 days. The bowls will be poured out for thirty days after Christ returns. Satan and the antichrist will be thrown into hell and for forty five days the land will be renovated and cleaned"

>This is correct. The 45 days will include Israel's cleansing of the land as stated in Ezekiel 39 which will take 7 months. The period will also include the gathering of the mortal survivors of the tribulation by the Lord as stated in Matthew 24:31 and 25:31.

Daniel 12:12: Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

(See thread bottom for source of multipliers)

1335 x .9857 = 1315.9 - 583 (BC) = 732.9 AD. A quick Yahoo search determines that 732 was the year of the Battle of Tours, France. The Battle of Tours came exactly 100 years after Mohammed's death. This is considered by many to be the most important battle, for Christianity, of the entire Christian era. http://www.thenagain.info/WebChron/WestEurope/Tours.html Charles "Martel" (the hammer), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel against astronomical odds, repelled and defeated the spread of Islam in its conquest of the world, as it headed up through Europe.

This battle http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...tory/Tours.html was the turning point in the onslaught of Islam delivering the mortal head wound to their advance, and killing the literal head of the advancing army Emir Abd er Rahman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_er_Rahman "Without his leadership and guidance, the other commanders were unable to even agree on a commander to lead them back into battle the following morning.

The effect of the death of Abdul Rahman on both Islamic and world history was profound." ".... according to one unidentified Arab, 'That army went through all places like a desolating storm.' sacking and capturing the city of Bordeaux, and then defeating the army of Duke Odo of Aquitaine at the Battle of the River Garonne — where the western chroniclers state, 'God alone knows the number of the slain'—[3] and Odo fled to Charles Martel, seeking help."

It wouldn't be until well over a millennium later, that Western oil wealth would heal the wound of the leopard-bear-lion beast so that its image could begin the second Jihad, in the image of the first Jihad. Daniel's successive kingdom beasts of lion, bear and leopard (which Bible scholars recognize as Babylon, Medo-Pursia, and Greece) are today united in antichrist, as the composite leopard-bear-lion - BEAST - we find in Revelation 13. This same geographical region today is occupied by Iran, Iraq, and Syria/Lebanon. Mathematically and textually this verse works perfectly.

Stunningly, in these last two problems, we found that launching from the exact same date of 583 BC, the 1290 and 1330 day prophecies nailed - exact to the year - God's symbolic pin date for the Islamic Dome of the Rock - the abomination of desolation - and then went on to pin the year of the defeat that ended Islam's conquering of the world! And this was accomplished using the exact same mathematical method that previously perfectly pinned Daniel's 7 and 69 weeks! All three with textual precision as well. Is it possible that we could find further confirmation of this mathematical language of prophecy in the book of Revelation?

To confirm the math we can calculate 3 more problems assigned to us in Daniel:

Daniel 12:11: And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Quoting again from "The False prophet":
"Sacrifices were suspended three times in the Old Testament: once before Daniel (Chronicles 28:24-25), once during the Babylonian captivity in 583 BC (Chronicles 36:19 and Ezra 3:6), and once, about four hundred years later, by the Greek king Antiochus Epiphanies. So to which event do you suppose the Lord might be referring? Well, to whom was this prophecy given? To Daniel. Result: we have every reason to believe that the Lord was referring to sacrifices that were abolished during Daniel's own lifetime: to an abolition of sacrifices to which Daniel could relate!"

These Old Testament day/years would also be something that Daniel could relate to or 1290 - 360 day - Hebrew years, each year being equal to .9857 solar year. 1290 x .9857=1271.5 solar years. Subtracting 583 (because it is BC) we get .... 688.5 AD. A quick Yahoo search confirms that this was the year that construction began on the Dome of the Rock.

Bishop Sophronious may offer some additional insight: "When Khalifah Omar entered Jerusalem in 639AD, he was met by Sophronius, Bishop of the Jerusalem Church, who showed him around the city. Seeing the temple mount (then in rubble), Omar declared that he was going to build a memorial to Muhammad on the original site of the temple of God. Sophronius exclaimed in horror, "Verily, this is the Abomination of Desolation as spoken of by Daniel the prophet", and it now stands in the holy place. Though Sophronius was a very old man of about 80, Khalifah Omar put him in prison and to forced labor, the severities of which killed him." - Jerry Landay - "The Dome of the Rock"

Daniel 9:24-26 (KJV): Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Quoting from "The False prophet": "Almost 100 years after Gabriel spoke to Daniel, a special decree was granted by Artaxerxes I to Nehemiah (444-445 BC). This is the ONLY decree recorded in the Bible that gave the Jews permission to "restore Jerusalem and rebuild its walls". The Messiah, Jesus, was "cut off" or crucified in 32 or 33AD. But are those 69 weeks 69 sevens of years? If so, then we have 69 x 7 or 483 Hebrew years. Using a multiplier of .9857, to reconcile Daniel's (per Genesis) 30 day Hebrew years with the solar year units of our modern historical record, yields: 483 x .9857 = 476 solar years. Artaxerxes' decree in 444 BC + 476 years = 32 AD, the cross right to the year!"

"But what about those six points that were supposed to be fulfilled during these 70 weeks? Ah-ha! All but one were fulfilled at the cross. Did not Jesus (1) finish transgression eternally, (2) make an end of sin, (3) make reconciliation for iniquity, (4) bring in everlasting righteousness, and (6) anoint the Most holy with His own precious blood? Of course, praise the Lord! Point (5), however, was left out: 'Seal up vision and prophecy'. This is where those peculiar 7 weeks and 62 weeks come in:

7 x 7 Hebrew years = 48.3 Solar years. 444 BC - 48.3 = 395.7 BC, Malachi written. Malachi was inspired to write the last book of the Old Testament in about 396 BC. The Scripture to the Jews was complete, and no more was written until the New Testament era! So Old Testament vision and prophecy were indeed 'sealed up'. As one dear Rabbi lamented in about 200BC, 'The Holy Spirit has departed from Israel,' and until this very day, the Jews, as a nation, have not been permitted to see any further. The Lord has blinded their eyes so they could not recognize Jesus as their Messiah (Romans 11:8, 2 Corinthians 3:15)."

THE MATH MULTIPLIERS

The following methods were used to arrive at the multipliers. You can Yahoo the fact that the most common understanding of the average number of days in a year is 365.24. Dividing this number by 12 we get 30.436666 days in a month. If we round this number shorter we arrive at the 30.44 average days in a month that we used above.

In regard to the multiplier to convert Daniel's 360 day Hebrew years, to the Solar years of our historical record, taking the 360 day Hebrew year and dividing it by the same 365.24 average days in a solar year, we get .9856532. Rounding this number shorter we arrive at .9857 which is the multiplier we used above to convert Daniel's Hebrew years to solar years.

Beyond these adjustments the rest of the math, applied with uniformity in the 7 problems above, could be performed by a child.

Reply: Matthew 24:31 and 25:31 are seprated by the entire day of the Lord which is in between the two passages. The day of the Lord involves the seven trumpets and the seven bowls plus an additional forty five days.
Matthew is 24:31 is the rapture and Matthew 25 is the sheep and goat judgment that takes place in the temple on a raised mount zion. Every person standing before the throne are those that survived the day of the Lord.

Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. This is the rapture.

Mt 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: This is after he comes to earth at the mid point and puts down all evil. Then the temple will descend out of heaven and the sheep and goat judgment will be conducted.

You all can't get that seven year thing out of your heads and it is causing you to stumble.
Even to the point of not paying attention to what is being said in scripture.
There is no seven year tribulation.
The great tribulation that will come
like a thief in the night,
Like destruction from the almighty,
like the days of noah,
like the days of Lot,
Like it says in Daniel 12 is "a time, times and a half time". The further explanation at the end of Daniel says a total of 1335 days.
You can imagine vanity, that you are blessed if you wait and come to the 1335 days. But let's get real. The one that is blessed that every one knows is blessed is Christ. It is Christ who waits and comes to the 1335 days.
No one goes anywhere until Christ comes. Then those who are worthy, Those who are already in Heaven, The Living in Christ and the dead in Christ, will go up to meet Him in the air of earth after He has descended from Heaven to earth.

Daniel 12


1 And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

This is an overview of the three and a half year period from beginning to end..


5 Then I, Daniel, looked; and there stood two others, one on this riverbank and the other on that riverbank. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?" 7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.

This is the mention of the two witnesses of revelation 11 and Christ the man clothed in linen telling you that it will be for three and a half years. He is also telling you that this period is for the perging and removal of the filth of the Holy People.




11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. 13 But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days."

The daily sacrefice is taken away by the Host of Heaven. The Lord's two witnesses. it is the supply and the support for the entire earth. the heavens are closed and the waters are turned to blood.

Revelation 11
1. I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
5. if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner.
6. These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.
10. these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.


This is the outcome of the great tribulation.


'The Lord will roar from on high, And utter His voice from His holy habitation; He will roar mightily against His fold. He will give a shout, as those who tread the grapes, Against all the inhabitants of the earth.
31 A noise will come to the ends of the earth-- For the Lord has a controversy with the nations; He will plead His case with all flesh. He will give those who are wicked to the sword,' says the Lord."
32 Thus says the Lord of hosts: "Behold, disaster shall go forth From nation to nation, And a great whirlwind shall be raised up From the farthest parts of the earth.
33 And at that day the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground.
34 "Wail, shepherds, and cry! Roll about in the ashes, You leaders of the flock! For the days of your slaughter and your dispersions are fulfilled; You shall fall like a precious vessel.
35 And the shepherds will have no way to flee, Nor the leaders of the flock to escape.
36 A voice of the cry of the shepherds, And a wailing of the leaders to the flock will be heard. For the Lord has plundered their pasture,
37 And the peaceful dwellings are cut down Because of the fierce anger of the Lord.


Why does this happen? Because the Lord will send His witnesses, dressed in sackcloth, to the Church that suposedly belongs to Him and they will attempt to treat them just as the Jews treated Christ. Only this time Elijah's fire will consume many who think they are christians.



Charlie

Why do they come wearing sackcloth?

16 'Those who survive will escape and be on the mountains Like doves of the valleys, All of them mourning, Each for his iniquity.
17 Every hand will be feeble, And every knee will be as weak as water.
18 They will also be girded with sackcloth; Horror will cover them; Shame will be on every face, Baldness on all their heads.
19 'They will throw their silver into the streets, And their gold will be like refuse; Their silver and their gold will not be able to deliver them In the day of the wrath of the Lord; They will not satisfy their souls, Nor fill their stomachs, Because it became their stumbling block of iniquity.

12 And in that day the Lord God of hosts Called for weeping and for mourning, For baldness and for girding with sackcloth.
13 But instead, joy and gladness, Slaying oxen and killing sheep, Eating meat and drinking wine: "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die!"
14 Then it was revealed in my hearing by the Lord of hosts, "Surely for this iniquity there will be no atonement for you, Even to your death," says the Lord God of hosts.


10 I will turn your feasts into mourning, And all your songs into lamentation; I will bring sackcloth on every waist, And baldness on every head; I will make it like mourning for an only son, And its end like a bitter day.

8 And it shall come to pass in all the land," Says the Lord, "That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, But one-third shall be left in it:
9 I will bring the one-third through the fire, Will refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them. I will say, 'This is My people'; And each one will say, 'The Lord is my God.' "




Charlie

"8 And it shall come to pass in all the land," Says the Lord, "That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, But one-third shall be left in it:
9 I will bring the one-third through the fire, Will refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them. I will say, 'This is My people'; And each one will say, 'The Lord is my God.' "

>These Scriptures speak of national Israel and not the Church. I would also add that the 70th week is the time frame for the Lord's hour of trial. Call it what you want.

Hammer, What about Matthew 24:34--"This generation shall by no means pass away till ALL these things (including verse 31) take place." The events of Matthew 24:31 took place within that first-century generation--the "this" generation Jesus spoke of.

Preterist

These Scriptures Speak of those who belong to the Lord. Those who reject Him do not belong to the Lord. The 70th week is already half spent by Christ's ministry. The other Half comes from Christ through His two Prophets.
What I want and what is real would not mix because the flesh wars against the Spirit in what is right. I would rather take that fluffy ride into Heaven. But it isn't going to happen. So brace yourself. The seals are off of the book of Daniel and what is coming won't be long now.


Charlie





These Scriptures Speak of those who belong to the Lord. Those who reject Him do not belong to the Lord. The 70th week is already half spent by Christ's ministry. The other Half comes from Christ through His two Prophets.
What I want and what is real would not mix because the flesh wars against the Spirit in what is right. I would rather take that fluffy ride into Heaven. But it isn't going to happen. So brace yourself. The seals are off of the book of Daniel and what is coming won't be long now.


Charlie

"These Scriptures Speak of those who belong to the Lord. Those who reject Him do not belong to the Lord. The 70th week is already half spent by Christ's ministry. The other Half comes from Christ through His two Prophets.
What I want and what is real would not mix because the flesh wars against the Spirit in what is right. I would rather take that fluffy ride into Heaven. But it isn't going to happen. So brace yourself. The seals are off of the book of Daniel and what is coming won't be long now"

>The 70 weeks are decreed for Daniel's people, national Israel as specified in chapter 9, not for the Church. The total 7 years of the 70th week are scheduled for the future. And you should consider the "fluffy" ride. You definitely do not want to miss it.

Daniels people, Abrahams people, Elijah's people, Christ's people, God's people. They are all people of faith in the Lord. Where there is neither greek nor Jew Bond nor free male nor female. National Isreal will be resurected back to life and brought up into the air at Christs return.
Where is that group in existance that is better than Christ who needed to be tested and His apostles who needed to be tested and the first church and His two witnesses who all needed to be tested? The fluffy ride won't happen and is infact the doctrine of Satan who loves the things of men and is not mindfull of the things of God.




Charlie

Charlie said:

"The fluffy ride won't happen"

>Satan does want you to believe this. Exactly.... the doctrine of Satan. He is a very deceptive character. The Lord calls it a catching away (harpazo) and His promise to keep living believers away from His hour of trial against an unbelieving world. This is the purpose of the action. Satan calls it a "fluffy" ride that is not going to happen. The Lord gets my vote in this contest. The persecution and trials of the believer are one thing, the judgments and wrath of the Lamb against unbelievers is quite different.

Did that make you angry Stephen. The wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God. Don't be so quick to crucify someone who has told you the truth. I wasn't refering to Christ catching away His 144,000 saints. I was refering to the rapture theory dreamed up by the jesuit priest the crazy lady and darby and scofield. The rature theory that has those who live like the devil and give mouth service to christ going up to zeuses heaven to live lavishly in the flesh.




Charlie

Charlie said:

"Did that make you angry Stephen. The wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God. Don't be so quick to crucify someone who has told you the truth. I wasn't refering to Christ catching away His 144,000 saints. I was refering to the rapture theory dreamed up by the jesuit priest the crazy lady and darby and scofield. The rature theory that has those who live like the devil and give mouth service to christ going up to zeuses heaven to live lavishly in the flesh"

>Not in the least Charlie. I have nothing to be angry about. I am just using your "theological" statement to present what I think is true regarding the Lord's "harpazo". And by the way since you bring it up, the 144,000 Israelites are Israelites of the 12 tribes of national Israel ... and not Gentile members of the Church. Which tribe do you think you are from ?

Don't be so quick to crucify? Come on Charlie..lighten up.

Revelation 14
4 These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.(sound like christians to me. Don't they to you? The Lamb. Isn't that Christ? Isn't the Church the Christian lot? Doesn't that include 12 jewish apostles and 1 Jewish King?)

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I am from the tribe of faith in Christ anything more than that God knows for sure.




Charlie

The crucifiction of Christ and the Killing of Christ's two witnesses began and will begin in the Heart of those who are guilty of their blood. It is a serious offence to atribute the truth of Christ as being Satan or the devil or beelzebub. Stephen accnoledges calling the rapture theory "the fluffy ride into heaven, when HeSaid "And you should consider the "fluffy" ride. You definitely do not want to miss it." Then in anger with the craft of a writer he turns and calls the one who first used the phrase, Satan to try and discredit the truth.


Matthew 5
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.






Charlie

To all concerned:

This thread has to do with Daniel 12:12 and the 1335 days. Exactly 1335 days from the Mid-point of the seventieth week is the first day of the millennium. The blessed ones that waited are simply those that survived the great tribulation and God’s wrath.

Daniel 12:1 begins at the mid-point of the seventieth week at the beginning of the great tribulation by Satan and his demons against those who refuse his mark. Satan is cast down to earth will his angels at the mid-point and the beginning of the great persecution of all who will not bow to him.

Da 11:45 And he (Antichrist) shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. Da 12:1-4 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. Da But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

There is only two resurrections one resurrection of the righteous and one for the wicked, and they are both are found in Daniel 12:1 above.

Da 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Note: “All these things” include the antichrist in the palace in Jerusalem, Michael stand up. Stand up in Hebrew is ‘Amad’ and it has different meanings. If a person is lying down amad means sit up, and if he is setting amad means stand up, and if he is already standing amad means stand still and do nothing.

Michael has always been Israel’s protector and is always standing and guarding Israel. But at the mid-point of the seventieth week he will toss Satan and his angels out of heaven and will amad or stand still and do nothing. The great tribulation starts and during that period of trouble the Jews and christians will be fleeing and hiding from the antichrist. Once they are all either killed or hidden Christ will return and cut the tribulation short by sealing the 144,000 Jews and rapturing the church. The sealed Jews will flee to the wilderness where they will be protected during the pouring out of God’s wrath.

2thess: 2:1-7 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
The one taken out of the way is Michael just as it states in Dan:12: 1.

Read and believe the above passage just as written without changing anything and you will have the correct sequence of events before the rapture will occur.

There is no reason at all for saying that Michael shall amad or stand still and do nothing, unless it means for him to stand still and stop protecting Israel. If Michael can toss Satan out of heaven down to earth he could also continue to protect Israel. The pre-tribbers have to dream up another restrainer in order to force fit the bible to their doctrine.

V8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
V9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
The problem with most of those who post on these threads is that they mix up doctrine with the scriptures. The wrath of Satan (is the forth and fifth seals called the great tribulation) the great tribulation is not the wrath of God: the wrath of God is; ( the day of the Lord trumpets and bowls). The wrath of Satan and the wrath of God are not active at the same time because once Christ cuts the great tribulation short the people of the world will only be concerned with survival. But Satan’s spiritual forces will only be interested in getting ready to battle Christ when he comes riding out of heaven with his army.

I feel sorry for those sincere christians that have been so brain washed by doctrine that they look for confirmation of their preconceived ideas and miss the big picture. No where in the bible is there a seven year tribulation period mentioned or a three and a half year great tribulation. There is no mention or even a hint that the sealed Jews go out preaching, but there is evidence that they flee to the wilderness. There is so much false doctrine mixed in with true bible verses out of context that is almost impossible to teach anyone anything. I have changed the end time doctrine of three churches in three states by sitting down with the ministers and showing them how the pre and post trib doctrines are not true.


Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The above verses are spiritual and have nothing to do with the races in the flesh. A factory with workers of all races makes all of them factory workers but does not change their race.
God chose the Jews to teach the world about him and about the invisible enemy forces that would kill us all if they could. The bible, including prophecy, is written from a Jewish Israelli propective.

Hammer said:

"I feel sorry for those sincere christians that have been so brain washed by doctrine that they look for confirmation of their preconceived ideas and miss the big picture"

>So do I. But they will survive as long as they don't give up their belief and trust in the Lord and His promise to save them. Not all do or will understand the complexities of Bible prophecy. Those who do have a grasp should spend their time witnessing to unbelievers for the purpose of convincing them that the Bible is true. And to comfort and encourage those believers who are going through personal trials and for the purpose of holding their faith.

"No where in the bible is there a seven year tribulation period mentioned or a three and a half year great tribulation."

>The first you mention is there, but you have to find it.

"There is no mention or even a hint that the sealed Jews go out preaching, but there is evidence that they flee to the wilderness"

>[Revelation 14:1-6]; and there is nothing tying the 144,000 Israelites to those who will flee into the Jordanian wilderness for protection from the beast. Protection for the 144,000 will be by sealing so that they can follow the Lord where ever He goes during the 70th week and not be harmed. Two thirds of national Israel's population will be killed. The other third will survive (those who will flee) and this will be a greater number than just 144,000 based upon today's current population of about six million. [Zechariah 13:8-9, 14:1-5]

"There is so much false doctrine mixed in with true bible verses out of context that is almost impossible to teach anyone anything"

>Yes there is much false doctrine today and it does get more difficult to teach as time goes on. The unbelievers are more willing to listen than those who are trapped in many professing organizational theologies.

Or you can ask God for His Spirit and just know through His Spirit exactly what will take Place. The great tribulation is mentioned in Daniel 12. The two witnesses are mentioned in Daniel 12. Seals on understanding are mentioned in Daniel 12. The perging and shattering of the devils power that the Holy people are corupted by and living in is mentioned in Daniel 12. The Abomination of desolation is mentioned in Daniel 12. And for those who are humbled before the throne of God here and now, Who have cast down all vein imaginations that boast themselves against the truth of God, The return of our Lord and savior is mentioned in Daniel 12.



Charlie

[quote name='Stephen' date='Oct 7 2006, 03:44 PM' post='86879']
Hammer said:

HAMMER POSTED: No where in the bible is there a seven year tribulation period mentioned or a three and a half year great tribulation"

Steven's Reply: "The first you mention is there, but you have to find it."

HAMMER POSTED: There is no mention or even a hint that the sealed Jews go out preaching, but there is evidence that they flee to the wilderness.

Steven Reply: "[Revelation 14:1-6]; and there is nothing tying the 144,000 Israelites to those who will flee into the Jordanian wilderness for protection from the beast. Protection for the 144,000 will be by sealing so that they can follow the Lord where ever He goes during the 70th week and not be harmed. Two thirds of national Israel's population will be killed. The other third will survive (those who will flee) and this will be a greater number than just 144,000 based upon today's current population of about six million. [Zechariah 13:8-9, 14:1-5]"

HAMMER REPLY: HAMMER REPLY: If there is going to be an Israel in the millennium then who are they? The 144,000 are the first fruits of the nation. Who fled into the wilderness? The woman with the twelve stars (Israel).

Re 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Re 12:13,14 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Re 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Notice that the number is not random like it would be if they were simply evangelists. There is the same number from each tribe and that tells me that they are the remnant of Israel that will be led from Bozrah back to Jerusalem to enter the millennium. They are also not standing before the throne of God. The singers are before the throne, and the sealed Jews are standing with Christ on earth.

So who will flee into the wilderness? The true nation of Israel consisting of twelve thousand from each tribe. They will not be the only ones that flee, but they are the ones personally picked by Christ to be the leaders in the nation that will enter the millennium. The bible never numbers women and children so these sealed Jews’ families will be with them.

These Jews will be sealed as are all christians when they get saved, and that will be when they see Christ coming in the clouds under the sixth seal and rapturing his chrch. I believe that they will understand the Old Testament prophecies and will be warning people to flee beginning when Israel signs the seven year treaty. They will not be christians, but they will know about what the church teaches concerning the return of messiah.

I repeat there is no seven year tribulation period nor a three and a half great tribulation. The first half of the seven years is said by Christ to be Jacob's trouble, and the great tribulation begins at the mid-point and is cut short by the return of Christ in the air for his church. The word cut short is amputate or cut off.

Reply: The generation spoken of in Matt. 24:31 is the generation that will be alive to see "those things" take just mentioned take place. I do not debate dreamers or the willful ignorant, so please don't try and try and make a dreamer out of me.

Hammer said:

"HAMMER REPLY: HAMMER REPLY: If there is going to be an Israel in the millennium then who are they? The 144,000 are the first fruits of the nation. Who fled into the wilderness? The woman with the twelve stars (Israel).

Re 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Re 12:13,14 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Re 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Notice that the number is not random like it would be if they were simply evangelists. There is the same number from each tribe and that tells me that they are the remnant of Israel that will be led from Bozrah back to Jerusalem to enter the millennium. They are also not standing before the throne of God. The singers are before the throne, and the sealed Jews are standing with Christ on earth.

So who will flee into the wilderness? The true nation of Israel consisting of twelve thousand from each tribe. They will not be the only ones that flee, but they are the ones personally picked by Christ to be the leaders in the nation that will enter the millennium. The bible never numbers women and children so these sealed Jews’ families will be with them.

These Jews will be sealed as are all christians when they get saved, and that will be when they see Christ coming in the clouds under the sixth seal and rapturing his chrch. I believe that they will understand the Old Testament prophecies and will be warning people to flee beginning when Israel signs the seven year treaty. They will not be christians, but they will know about what the church teaches concerning the return of messiah.

I repeat there is no seven year tribulation period nor a three and a half great tribulation. The first half of the seven years is said by Christ to be Jacob's trouble, and the great tribulation begins at the mid-point and is cut short by the return of Christ in the air for his church. The word cut short is amputate or cut off."


>I would agree with you Hammer for the most part here and you have actually defined the 70th week of 7 years yourself in the statement directly above. I would also say that the timing of the Lord's "harpazo" will be just before or just after the beginning of the 70th week, and before MBG's "great city" is destroyed. I would suggest that the entire period will be tribulation (difficult times for all of those who dwell upon the earth including Israel).

>This period will be the Lord's hour of trial (judgment) against an unbelieving world. Some will turn and will be saved of Israel and of the Gentiles during the period and most of these will be martyred for their faith. The Church (this means you included) will be observing 70th week events from the heavenly state of existance and this truth is noted 12 times in the Book of Revelation beginning in chapter 4. The Church will then return with the Lord at the battle of Armageddon.

>First, the Lord will allow Satan to rage and succeed in the following events: Satan will move the little horn and the 10 others to destroy MBG's "great city". He will then be allowed to release his beast and other fallen angelics from the abyss for destruction on the earth. The Euphrates angelics will also be released from their bondage for the same purpose. Satan will then move to establish his kingdom by conquering most of the Middle East including Egypt and Israel. He will also fend off any other opposition from the far north and far east. His fallen angelic agent in this process will be Abaddon, the angelic king of the abyss, and his human pawn, the little horn, king of the north.

>Satan will have subdued all opposition to his dominion by midweek. His conquering will occur during the first half of the time decreed (woe unto the inhabitants of the earth for the devil has come to you with great wrath because he knows that his time will be short). National Israel will be under severe pressure and fear during this time as Satan moves in on the nation by eliminating any support, by surrounding the nation with his Middle Eastern human followers (most likely the adherants of Islam), and by ultimately invading and occupying the Land of Israel. The actual invasion will occur just before midweek. Two thirds of the nation will be killed and one third will survive to flee into the Jordanian wilderness for protection from Satan's beast. He would eliminate all of national Israel if he could.

>He will then rule through his beast, who will become the little horn, for 42 months (last half of the 70th week). This time frame will include his rule and domination of the earth, Jerusalem, and the temple mount for 42 months (1,260 days), the witnessing of the Lord's two prophets for 1,260 days, the protection of the believing remnant of Israel who will flee into the wilderness for 1,260 days, and the spreading of the gospel of the Lord's soon coming Kingdom to the world by His 144,000 sealed Israelites. They will be the first Israelite converts at their sealing at the beginning of the 70th week and will spread the truth to national Israel first. They will then move out to the rest of the nations at midweek .... when the beast moves in. They will follow the Lord's direction for witnessing to the nations.

>The Lord will then turn on Satan, his beast and the followers who worship him, and will destroy his kingdom within the next 30 days just after the last half of the 70th week. The next 45 days will include Israel's cleansing of the Land of Israel in the aftermath of the battle of Armageddon, and the gathering of all mortals who will have survived the 70th week for evaluation and separation.

>These are those mortals who will go into the Kingdom: the 144,000 (the first fruits), the wilderness remnant of national Israel, those of the elect of national Israel who are found in the nations, and the sheep who will be the believing remnant of the Gentiles who are found in the nations at the time. The rest, the goats (unbelievers) will not enter the Kingdom. The martyrs (believers) of the 70th week who are beheaded for their faith by the beast will be resurrected at the end of the 70th week, will be added to the eternal state of existance just as the Body of Christ (the Church).

Hammer: It does NOT say "the generation that will be alive to see those things just mentioned take place. Jesus could have said that--but He didn't because that is not what He wanted to convey! Jesus clearly says "THIS generation"--an expression used about twenty times in the NT to refer to those people contemporaneous to the speaker or writer. The word THIS is a demonstrative pronoun--it is a pointer to indicate something specific. Jesus could easily have said THAT generation, but He did not! Why? Because He meant those people alive in the generation in which He was then living! Scripture interprets Scripture. How is "this generation" used elsewhere in the Word of God? You MUST HAVE solid justification and sound precedent for changing the common, ordinary, usual meaning of words. The only reason many stumble over Matthew 24:34 is because to take those words as they were intended does great harm to their preconceived eschatological system. To take Jesus at His Word here is to destroy the tenets of futurism. People would rather keep their cherished beliefs than deal honestly with God's Word. I know. I was once a futurist.

Why do we strain out a gnat and swallow a camel (Matthew 23:24)? I challenge any who are sincere about letting Scripture inform them to do a study on the words "this generation." What harm can it do except prove your point? But if it doesn't prove your point, are you willing to accept God's Word as it is written?

CONSIDER:

Matthew 11:16--JESUS said, "But to what shall I liken THIS generation?" What generation did He mean?

Matthew 12:41, 42--JESUS told the scribes and Pharisees of His day--"The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with THIS generation and condemn it, because they repented not at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is HERE. . . . The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with THIS generation and condemn it . . . a greater than Solomon is HERE." What generation is Jesus talking about?

Matthew 12:45--JESUS, again speaking to the scribes and Pharisees about the plight of the wicked, "So shall it be with THIS wicked generation." What generation was Jesus talking about?

Matthew 23:36--JESUS is speaking to the scribes, Pharisees, and hyprocrites of His day. After He pronounces woes upon THEM and declares that THEY personally were going to be judged for "all the righteous blood shed on the earth," He says--"All these things will come upon THIS generation."
What generation did Jesus mean?

Mark 8:13--Again, the Pharisees of Jesus' day are disputing with Him, seeking a sign. JESUS says to THEM, "