Woe to the Disrespectful of True Prophets

Just when you thought you had it all figured out. Personally I would be more concerned about showing disrespect of ones that truly tell you or attempt to explain what you have been deceived about.

The whole earth is in the control of those that would test the human race of it's qualities. Most have no knowledge or understanding of what the true nature of "demons" are.
Nor do they have comprehension of the deceptions that are used.

Maybe it is the blindness that God sends upon the earth to keep those destined for death from understanding so that they turn from their ways and he has to heal them?



edidead for spelbing,,, N

Could you be a little more specific? I'm not sure of all you are talking about...thanks.

Sure, what part don't you understand?

Ok, I'll bite. What have we been deceived about? Who is the whole earth in control of? What do you mean "test the human race of it's qualities?" What is the true nature of "demons"? What are the deceptions that are used?

I'm not sure where this comes from: "Maybe it is the blindness that God sends upon the earth to keep those destined for death from understanding so that they turn from their ways and he has to heal them?" Why would God destine some for death and blind them so they can't turn from their ways and be healed? Why does He send prophets to call people to repent if He doesn't really want them to or expect them to?

Are you saying people (we?) don't understand anything because we are destined to death and therefore God has blinded us? That's kind of implied to me in the "Sure, what part don't you understand?" as if the above was all as clear as glass, because to me, it's not. You have to realize that you have these things already clear in your mind, but they might be new to us in the way that you're wording them, and you need to elaborate so we're on the same page with you. Thanks.

As you no doubt note, I do not use the words of religions.
Why? They muddy the waters.

Just as in the days of King Jesus, when he slapped the leaders of his day with;
"You have turned the government of the Father into a religion."
"You have turned His house into a place of business."

The Kingdom of the Heavens is an intergalactic government. It is not demoncratic.
Mankind was created to become "judges of "angels". But, those who were created
before mankind demanded to "test mankind".

At some point in time there is a cutting off, the door of the arc closed so to speak.
God's choice, not mine.

The war in the heavens is over, the surviving demons are cast down to the earth, woe to the earth and it's inhabitants. You think these fallen angels are just mythological beings?

Angels, and demons are just bad angels, ate real food, manna. They are living sentient intelligent life forms of which the bible gives a whole lot of information.

The main deception is that they are not real, just like UFO's and ET's.
They are just like us, in that they are physical beings, and just like us there are good ones, and bad ones. Ones you would want for a neighbor, and then those that nobody wants for a neighbor. The enemy has already been cast down, but few know or have recognized it.

Why? Because they are, and were too busy to take note of current events.
You will not hear these things in your churches, they don't know. But the signs of the heavens are there, and the evidence of the war in the heavens is there for all to see. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html

Norval,
If you are going to post something, please do it in a way that makes some sense. Please be specific enough so that we may understand what you are talking about.

Thanks!

Now I understand what you are talking about. Thanks.

I absolutely agree that they are here, and they are real. I disagree that they are physical beings, though, as in having a body of flesh and bones. We are born of earthly parents to get these bodies. Demons are not. Angels are not. Demons are spirits, which makes them even more difficult to detect and to deal with. If we could see them like we can see our next door neighbor, we could avoid them more easily. We can see the people they are influencing, though, and we can easily see WHO they are influencing and HOW they are influencing them and deceiving them. There is so much of Satan's deception all around us, and to those who know the Lord, it's pretty clear. That's the kind of stuff we're watching, leading up to the coming of our Lord and Savior and the end of Satan's reign of terror on earth.

If that were so, why do the angels need food, the angel food of manna?

shy1...please.

Fieryice, I find you consistantly rude and intentionally disrespectful. Not a tolerable Christian attribute.

Furthermore, your remarks are both cold and hot and I am reminded how the Lord feels such a one should be treated.

leia

Fieryice and Norval

Did Jesus Christ come in the flesh? Did he die and was He raised from the dead? Is He your Lord and Savior?

Good question rtkiii66 for finding out whose who, there are other ways also that I have found to be most reliable.

Jesus is my King, King over all the universe, he was born of human flesh, walked the Earth, died on the stake for our sins (my sins...human sins), was resurrected after 3 days, walked the Earth to met the apostles again then left to be on His throne at the right hand of our Creator. I am part of the body that He is the head; I have faith and a hope…..humms the song, my bags are packed, I’m ready to go….(ops sorry that’s a personal thing with the song)
Without writing a dissertation I hope that suffices.

Leia, I am not being rude, I have been called bold at times. My question about angel food manna is just that a question that relates directly to Shy1’s statement. Myself, I prefer to stay on topic but Shy1 brought up an interesting point.

If you don’t like my username of FieryIce, I could use my real name Gale Smart, which do you prefer? My language is present day Canadian-ese not 1611 English, maybe not what you’re used to but it is all I know how to communicate with.

If you research your reference to those that are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold you would understand it has nothing to do with me.

FieryIce,

The comment regarding 'go shopping, you sound as if you are in need of oil' or something of this like was ver rude. We are all on this forum for information and not condemnation.

I am reminded of another Christian forum that I also speak with...Christian forum (without the hyphen I believe). There is a recently added poster who is using this same manner and that manner is not being well received there either. No one, on this forum or any other, likes to be verbally abused or belittled.

It is simply that it might be better to temper your responses so that information can pass from one to the other and some answers derived, rather than taking a stance of "here is my position and if you don't believe the same way you obviously need to go shopping for oil". That is not bold. Bold is standin gup for what you believe in. You can be bold without being rude.

leia

Amen Leia.
Please let's treat each other like we would want to be treated.
Kim

You know Kim, after posting I was so upset about harsh speech that I logged out and tried to learn the next song in the cantata that the adults will be singing for our little congregation this Christmas. The beautiful redemption dtory and the giving ofthat tiny King and the greatest gift the Father could give His son handing in the heavens above Him. The lowly shepherds and the way Mary must have felt, not just seeing the Son of God, but holding her little child.

And I think of everything I just said and I cry. I am sorry I said it. They can be terrible if they want to. They can attack brothers and sisters if they want to. But My God is real and my God isn't like that. My God is King and I do not want Him to look at me as one of His pitiful subjects that keeps the castle in turmoil and disrupts the kingdom. My God is real and His kingdom is real. And the harm that it does is realy felt by Him.

I don't care who they are if they are or why they are. I will not. And so I humble myself before God and them.

leia

It does not take long for us to watch the fruits they bear does it.
I love you Leia
Kim

Leia- You are not alone. I often find myself getting angry when someone attacks God. Your God, My God, Their God, THE God. Our wonderful, magnificent creator and Father. And I find I don't always respond well....

...but that's just another opportunity to show the nature of Christ working in us when we go back and admit the manner in which we acted is not consistent with the nature of the Lord of our lives.

Leia, You truly have a beautiful nature! and God working in you and through you is evidenced by the many postings you have made on this forum!


You are an inspiration!

Leia, I'm with Kim and Lov4all... you ARE an inspiration. We all say things we don't intend to say, but you are a sensitive spirit and we love you!!!

Yah ever listen to wolves in sheeps garb?

Just listen.

Thats KJV Norval, write it down and go out and get one. I know you will be deeply blessed as I was.


You know what NASA stands for? Need another seven astronaughts!


What were the last words spoken on that shuttle?............. Whats this red button for?



Meshuganah

Well, I have a real question that doesn't take any ill feelings.

There are some people traveling around from state to state, I am familiar only with those who are coming down from the North and into the South, that get in touch with a pastor in a congregation and tell hm that "they have a message for his congregation". It is usually very broad at first, I find. And everyone is so pleased with them. They point out people in the congregation... "YOU! Great things are in store for you. You are blessed with....(fill in the blank)" and everyone likes to hear that. I have been in such a thing twice and been called out as "one gifted" in a Penticostal revival and (this is embarassing) "a seer" in a "Spirit Filled" church.

I put that in quotes because that is what they call the church but I am under the impression that any true church of God has the Spirit dwelling in it within every saved member.

Anyway....I know if they pointed me out they got to be guessing....I have sheep, and, my brother, when I am out with them in pasture I am THEIR servant! I stay in love with the Lord and pretty simple. The thought of little me in an apron and having any gumption to be anything like that brings a laugh.

Now, this type is coming in regularly and people flock to the building that is announced as their next appearance. It is almost...I don't know, honoring the person and not the gift. Honoring the person and not the Giver of the person. Then the subtle leading begins. Two of my dear girlfriends have had their homes torn apart by these men. Actually one of them was a woman. Looked like Aunt Bea at first but by her third appearance, she was quite the judger of the congregation. And it was all done "by the leading of the Holy Spirit".

I know we are to test these people, but how? They come from far off. They say things that are taken to the extreme everday. The use scripture very well to back up what they are saying.

Example: Clothing sermon. Then, "and SOMEONE standing here with me now...the Spirit is saying they are married yet they wear clothing to be pleasing to the eye of the opposite gender....." and they go on and at least 10 woman come forward. Some change because they want to be good, and they have real trouble getting their husbands to understand why, all of a sudden, they look like a paper sack. The woman goes to the pastor who has something to loose because he invited the visitor inthe first place and tells her she is doing the right thing and must "stick to here principles". It becomes a point of contention in her home, and then a fight and then....

That is just an example and it wasn't that which broke up the two families, but it was similar in bringing vague things into a condemnation process, taking them in front of the entire body for judgement and making them huge to a now submissive congregation.

How do we test them?

leia

See that's what you have a Pastor for...

We don't do that in our church...Is it forbidden? No...But you have to go to the Pastor and he takes it to the elders.

It seems sometimes like quenching the Spirit but l would rather a little delay than sit in a room full of fools.

My Pastor has never told anybody to sit down if they have a word but the last time someone stood up they were having mental problems and under care. They accused the Pastor of something really nasty. That poor person....

If l think l'm hearing from the Lord l take it to my Pastor. Then it's on him. I'm not responsible anymore...he is...
Glad l'm just an errand boy.

When I was a boy, some of my errands were carrying the water from the well...the wood for the fire...the newspaper from the mailbox...and oh yes, shovelling the driveway...

I am still doing all that today...(in a figure)

There's an old Chinese proverb that says "Before enlightenment, chopping wood and carrying water....After enlightenment...chopping wood and carrying water".

I use to think that was true of Christianity too but it's not. Throw down the plow and sell the oxen...time for a new thing...not an old Chinese remedy.

I think the chores are symbolic...wood for the fire (fuel) water for the people (word) paper bring good news...

Not same old, but like taking off training diapers putting on ephod and dancing before the Lord...

And yes, shovelling the drive way...there are many impediments to travel these days in our worship and our praise and our obedience...

I love that proverb. Lord, is that so true of so much in life...
and I do grow in faith every day and He rewards me with, you guessed it, more wood and more water buckets....

Miki, we DID have a pastor. The guy comes in with the blessing of the pastor and the elders! They sound real good and who is to say God is not talking to people and able to give them a message now as before and who are we to deny it...and all the other arguments that get both the real and the liers in the door.

So if God is still doing that...how do we know who is who? What if God DID have a word for my little Baptist church? And we said no. It would be like Jesus walking in and us still wanting to go through the program before we would listen to Him. First the song, then fellowship...and yes, I agree it sometimes feels like quenching the Spirit but then the Spirit talks to each member through the pastor differently and they thank him for telling them "..." wehn I heard ".....". Everyone gets something because the Spirit is so good at what He does. I am OK with the program too.

But what if? What if they are real and God is speaking to us through them? When should we believe them? If the pastor says it's OK for them to speak? I would like to be more discerning. I think if Jesus can say, "Test me, try me" then our pastor's judgement to allow someone to direct us "from God" should not be above reproach.

Are there some guidelines in scripture to test them?

leia

Smiles politely, calmly shakes the dust from his sandals and walks away.

Father, "Broken Arrow"!

I concur.

Can we clarify? I hate to see this open debate come to an end. And I am afraid I do not understand the clipped words spoken between the two of you. Is there any more to add or has an agreement been reached in this topic?

leia

I get the impression that Norval thinks we're suppose to read between the lines. Sometimes l can he hasn't given us enough information. I don't know where he's coming from at all. Sorry Norval, you haven't been explicit enough.

Innocent people aren't presumptious.

Why do you need a stranger to come into your Church ?.........

Surely if you worship together as a Church , God would put into someone's Heart to raise the issue of womens' dress .

Anyhow , be careful with ' winds of doctrine ' .There are always fads in Churches .


Much prefer a Bible , and talking to God .

I agree...Why ask somebody from the outside to come. God equips each church with all the gifts. People need to be educated. We have a few really good teachers in our church.

Let the prophets exort!

Woe to the Disrespectful of True Prophets (from the first post)

Great... I would agree as there is a classification system in place which states (unobtrusively) that all prophesy is suspect if it has not come direct from the mouth of God in the canon of scripture.

People have been taught to distrust everything. It is like trying to befriend a used car salesman. He may have his hand in your account and sell you a means of transportation which will not pass a road test...

But there are true witnesses...

alrighty then! So how do we know which is which?

Can we just pray and get the answer? Is it that simple? Maybe..

Scripture is your best starting point ........................


if something is clearly out of kilter with Scripture , then question it very hard .

But it all goes back to wheat and tares ..............

when you go to a corrupt Church , ( read doctored Bibles ) , you can get involved in misunderstanding , mischief , .......and even worse ..............


Sometimes you just have to go through it ( hopefully your pastor isn't Jim Jones ) , and get to the end a bit older and wiser .

Sometimes you will find yourself rejecting something . Maybe you're right , maybe you're wrong ...............its a balance ..............a balance between being open to the Holy Spirit and between being violated by falsehood .

Personally I have tried to err on the side of self preservation . God gave me abrain , so I generally try to use it , without discarding my will and ability to reason and discern .

I've had some crazy flags foisted on me in the name of God , but I don't offer them a flagpole .

That's why it's important to have people from your own church speaking because you can test their track record. Fruits....is a good start to.

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Ya , but not everything you hear in Church is necessarily a spiritual utterance .

People say a lot of things out of their own flesh ..............

sometimes it is our most casual remarks that kill ........

which is why Peter said 'when you speak , speak as an oracle of God .'

Which verse marcus?

Listen to whom? Who are you insinuating is a wolf in "sheeps garb"?

Goodbye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1 Peter 4 verse 11..............