It is hard to argue with scripture.
Yes many are poor, sick, hungry, and need something, but does not mean they deserve to be RICH, Heathly, full and have everything!
For my sin I deserve not more than want G-d promised 'Death"
But by learning and obtaining Faith when things seem impossible, to forgive others for the stupid thing people do , patience for things I want, meekness for when I think it has to be my way, Love the unlovable . G-d is teaching us but some choose not to learn and blame others or G-d for our mistakes. G-d Loves you!!

I'm missing something. Two or three posts ago you intimated that all christians are narrowminded and insist that everything is God's fault. You indicated that you were of the impression we were causing our own problems and admonished us not to blame God.

1) I think I'm Christian (that is a capital "C" bud, we are the bride of the Lord) and I don't blame God. But yes, in Timothy 3 it plainly says there will be both Christians and those who will go to church yet be thoroughly bad. They shall say "Lord, Lord" one day and He will disavow them at that time. It is not our right to judge another man's servant whether he is lying or not. Benefit of the doubt.

2) If there are Christians out there that feel God is responsible for the ills of the earth, lovingkindness and gentleness is the way we teach people to grow. God does not "produce" ills and then punish others for it. I know this, I believe you know this, but there is a way to go about the work of the kindom, edify and produce fruit and then there is not. James 1:26 Anyone who says that he is a Christian yet does not control his sharp tongue is fooling himself, adn his religion isn't worth much. II Timothy 2:23 God's people must not be quarrelsome; they must be gentle, patient teachers of those who are wrong. Be huble when you are trying to teach those who are mixed up concerning the truth. For if you talk meekly and courteously to them they are morelikely, with God's help, to turn away from their wrong ideas and believe what is true.

3) I have found that the problem is usually an inability to define ones terms within the argument that seperates both sides ie. when you put a stick into water it looks bent. Pull it out and it looks straight. Which is reality? The answer, my friend is "define your terms".

Be a good conversationalist and make sure we are all saying the same thing and then be civil. No one cares to be bashed, here or otherwise.

Leia

A pastor (he looked like Rev. Al Sharpton with a thick caribbean accent) of an AIDS/Leper commune in the Bahamas once asked me

"what you see in the mirror, is that reality?"


Keep in mind, the commune is full of disfigured and deteriated people rejected by society.... (its believed in the Bahamas that AIDS is spread like a common cold, as a result both populations tend to isolate themselves...in fear of persecution/hostility...etc.) Mirrors aren't a common site here, the only one I saw was in commune's church....

I replied,

"yes"

He replied,

"Is what you see real?"


I replied,

"uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...."

(i knew he was going somewhere with this)


"What's inside you is real, what God sees is real. How God sees you is real. This is fake (touching his flesh)...... What you see in the mirror and through your eyes can fool you...."

People were healed from AIDS there.... "Sickness is of the mind. Its not real. You believed something"

I'm not sure if I believe the last statment. I'm not educated enough on the matter. There is power in determination. There is power in prayer. There is power in faith. How you react when you are told that you have AIDS/cancer/etc... can determine how long you live....


sorry, yall just a trip down memory lane...... when i saw that...it stirred the memories... just thought I would share.

Hi everyone.
I just found this site a couple of days ago and found that I could realy relate to much of what is being discussed, (especialy the dreams!) When the time came for me to think about a username, many came to mind, but one stood out to describe what God has been giving me in dreams for many years and that is about terrible storms. Once again He gave me a prophetic dream July 21 2005 about a terrible storm, a tidal wave and a flood hitting the south. (I'll try to take the time to write this in the dreams postings.)

I just moved up to the Cleveland area of Ohio to be closer to my grown sons, after living in the Gulf Coast area of Mobile Alabama, (Fairhope), in June this summer. (The whole move thing was totaly of God.) I was living down there for almost 7 years exactly, before God moved me here. I had a wonderful church family and God did so many wonderful things in my life and used me in ways I would never have imaged. Although I am on disability, the Lord has used my disablilty to glorify him. I love the Lord so much for he truely has saved me, (in more ways than one!) Even though I am unable to work for now, the Lord Jesus has given me those "usual" gifts. While many may want them and even ask for them, I never did, yet that is exactly what he gave me. These gifts, and those that have them will understand what I'm saying are very very hard to live with and carry. I have cried many tears on those days that I thought I could not continue. But the Lord Jesus has always taken those burdens and made them light for me. I truely love the Lord and want to serve him in what ever way he wishes.

The Lord has given me the gift of dreams, I have been having them since the 1990's, especially since 1998. In some of them the Lord Jesus has blessed me with seeing him. Many of the dreams are of what is to come, and some of my dreams have already come to pass. I have studied the word continuely for since 1998 which has helped me to understand what the Holy Spirit is telling me in those dreams. Whatever interpretation I am giving it is from the Holy Spirit and God's word. I'm not saying I understand everything, I think many things will be revealed in time. I'm just told to write them down in a book and from time to time give them to people as the Holy Spirit leads me to do.

Well, I didn't intend to write a book but I wanted to give a little intro about me so that we could get to know each other.

God Bless you all.
Sandra

welcome sandra!
happy to meet you.

-bz

WE ARE ALL GATHERING FOR A REASON AND EACH ONE HAS GIFTS. GOD KNOW HOW TO PUT US TOGETHER.WOW
GLAD YOU ARE HERE!
KIM

Hi I am new here.
I was raised catholic then started dipping into Islam and years ago I found myself in Christianity.
It feels right.

I've been getting involved with my local church and have been asking through prayer for guidance in studying THE WORD.
I am still a n00b but even before my salvation I was never the type to go and hurt people and do terrible things. But now, i feel I have an inner peace and have been trying to know more about the Lord. Not that I've never believed in him, but now...it feels right. I don't know if that makes sense.

anyways, nice to meet every one here.

WOW C-LOS MEDRANO
YOU MUST HAVE A STORY TO TELL.
IT IS SUCH A FEELING THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOU KNOW.
CANT WAIT TO HEAR.
WELCOME ABOARD
KIM

A very real peace felt from you. So very happy to meet you.

Leia

Greetings to everyone,

I've enjoyed your introductions -- and I'm glad I found this thread as a beginning to my reading here because I'm used to smaller forums and there is a lot of reading to do at this one.

Blindzebra posted this website at the forum I'm at the most www.jahspiritoftruth.com so I came over to check it out. Zeeb and I go back a ways and I'm happy to call her my cyber-friend.

I was raised Catholic but became a Christian and never went back to the RCC. I got side-tracked into a cult for a few years [six to be exact] but left it in 2000. I enjoy studying the Bible and meeting with others who do, too. I was in a home group using the Purpose Driven Life book by Rick Warren for a while. Sadly there was disruption and we no longer meet.

Love, Libby

I have a special fondness of "Zeeb" myself. So good to have you here.

This forum has grown so much just since I have been here that I am STILL catching up! God is taking control of this one, I think.

Something to read everday!

Leia

Leia,
Yes, God is!!! It is wonderful to see more new faces on here everyday. I get excited because it is an opportunity to meet even more beautiful people!

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Libby- welcome aboard!! Looking forward to hearing from you and your posts.

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C-LOS MEDRANO- welcome aboard too! Christianity, 'FEELS RIGHT' to me as well!

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God bless you all and may we all be blessed and learn much from each other because I think God has truley blessed this this forum!!!!!!!

hi...

new person here...

i am renee...

14 years old...

living in sydney, australia...

i was brought up in a Christian family... and currently got to church in Sydney Bible Presbyterian Church

Hi Renee..

Welcome to the forum. There is alot you can learn here so come back often.

My daughter lives in Sydney. She is 20 years old and goes to school at
Hillsong International.

She was just married in August. Both she and her husband are in the music
ministry there.

I understand that they have quite the music ministry and fellowship for kids
your age. If you would like her name and e-mail you can either PM me or
just say so on this forum and I'll PM you so you can get in touch with her.
You can see her and her husbands pictures at ..

grahamandjessica.com

We're glad to have you here.

Peace, Tom

LIBBY!!!!
when it says libby libby libby on the label label label
you will like like it like like
at the table table table.....LOL

HOW WONDERFUL to SEE YOU! LOL!! -- i have such great affection and fondness for you Libby...and did you know our dear friend AB58 is here too, when she can be? it is a real treat! you will enjoy and come to LOVE so many here...so many, so many!!

["how wonderful to SEE you", said the big bad wolf.-LOL (did you know that 'zeeb' means 'wolf'? -LOL! HOWLING with LAUGHTER!!) but do not be afraid, for as it is written in Isaiah, "the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb.." but this becomes possible because the "earth will be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea." its a good thing jesus covers my sea of wickedness!! LOL HOWL!

love ya Libby!!! WELCOME!
-zeeb (blush)

****

and GREETINGS little Renee!
happy to have you here!

and i am, like Marta, delighted to see
so MANY new ones ....and forgive me, please!, where i fail to properly welcome each individual...but i do notice, and look, and love to see all the new posters. and the wonderful encouragment that comes with those posts....

i have a deep affection for this place, and for those that come here. i am greatly encouraged by so many of you, and such timely posts...

But, Jehovah himself must build the 'house', or it is to no avail that the builders work hard on it! - Psalm 127:1

the 'house' will be completed by his spirit.
"Not by a military force, nor by power,
but by my spirit," Jehovah of Armies has said. -Zech 4:6

and it will be called a 'house of prayer'.


with love,
bz

Hi Sweet Zeeb!! are my treasured emoticons going to work here?? and hi Marta and Leia and all those here!

Anybody had any "valleys" lately? If this is already posted here --- well, it's worth repeating. It's a link to a beautiful poem and music called It's in the Valleys I Grow, and it speaks to me in times of trial and pain and reminds me that these things are meant for my growth in the Lord.

I hope you enjoy it as much as I have.

http://www.llerrah.com/dreams.htm

Hey, Zeeb, it's been so QUIET at Linda's forum -- I was wondering where she was. I'm talking to myself over there!

Anyway, we [or, I] have started the Bible reading for Luke and it struck me about the valleys ahead of these two babies -- John and Jesus. Both born to die [as we all are] but these two precious babies of promise, one preparing the way of the Lord, the other providing the sacrifice for our sins, their conceptions and births attended by angels, shepherds witnessed a glorious heavenly celebration, both sons so precious to their parents and cut down in their 30's. Mary is told there will be a sword in her heart -- describing her future grief, the valley she had to face.

Oh, well, it's just been one of those days, I guess.

Everybody, try the link. I think you'll like it.

Love, Libby

Well, Zeeb, you are a lamb NOT a wolf!! What language is it wolf in?

Love, Libby

Welcome Libbeeeeee!

That was wonderful, I had to forward that link to my friend. Okay, here is my all time oldie but goody...you might have seen it already.

http://www.fathersloveletter.com/fllpreviewlarge.html

Welcome, I'll read along with you Libs! I'm a late Bible reading bloomer, give me any conspiracy theory and I'll talk your head off! I am getting into the Bible more so than ever and it is really astounding! I should have uh.....done this a looooooooong time ago!

Now I know the feeling of going from --> to <--

Most of the time Im this-->

I can see clearly now the rain is gone....
I can see all obstacles in my way.....
Yipeeeeeeeeee

Love to ya Libby!

Oh, Marta, that is truly wonderful. I'm listening to it right now as I type this. What a promise: "If you seek me with all your heart you will find me!" Dt. 4:29

I have little hummingbirds right out the window and I spend so much time just watching them and wondering at the Creator who made them......and all the earthly scenes in this video make me wonder the same at the greatness of our Father.

Thanks so much for sharing that!

"I can see clearly now, the pain is gone! I can see all obstacles in my way..."

Love, Libby

ps I'm sharing the link with some friends!

You've got a gentle and caring spirit Libby.

God bless you and so glad you are here!

Hello Everyone,

And thank you marta for your e-mail very nice I'm very glad to have found this site because God has been showing me verses and vison and dreams of his Second coming.. And it is so nice to study this verses or share with you guys what God is telling me.. Any how I'm 24 male accepted Christ at the age of 8 years and starting getting very intuned with him for the last few years.. I live in Canada.. And I look forward to being a member here hope we can all grow in christ name.. If one ore two comes in christ name he will be there.. Any How may God bless

Hebrews 9:28 So christ was once offered to bear the sins of many: and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Love fighter of god

Hello, I'm somewhat new here. I just haven't been around to make an introduction for myself.

Anyways, I'm K.T.youko (KT for short) and I am a Goth from a popular Christian Goth site called 'Goths for Jesus'. It might sound a little foreign to you that Goths can be Christian but believe me: it's a common thing. I get a lot of comments from people at my church and what not when I tell them that so I thought I might make myself clear this time. Goths aren't evil or anything and a lot of the time we're judged before people even get to know us. I hope you all will at least respect us because we have been branded by the media as evil yet they don't even know what a true Goth is.

I'm going off-topic.... I hope we all get to know each other.

Glad to meet you all and God bless.

-K.T.youko

Hi K.T.

you are for Jesus? then welcome welcome welcome....

(i think alot of us are misunderstood! LOL --Jesus himself CERTAINLY was!!) i am happy you are here...

Jesus is the light that shines in the darkness. The Word of God is a lamp to our feet. and a light to our path.

Glad to meet you and Blessings to you.

-bz

1jo 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

1jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

1jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

1jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Explaination:
1JO 1:8 8-10. If we say that we have no sin. To say that we have reached a sinless state in which we no longer need the blood of Christ to cleanse us is a deception. This language is in square opposition to the claims of the "Perfectionists" of all ages. 9. If we confess our sins. Instead of affirming that we are sinless we should confess our sins. Faithful and just. If we confess our sins the Lord will be faithful to his promise of mercy, and just in requiring us to have the atonement of Christ, to forgive us our sins. 10. If we say that we have not sinned. God says we have sinned. He declares "There is none righteous; no, not one." [Ro+3:10,Ps+14:4] Hence, if we affirm that we are sinless we make God a liar.

NOTE.--It must be noted that these words concerning sin, found in verses 8-10, are not addressed to Gentile sinners, but a generation which had grown up in the church. Indeed, of all the epistles, this is the only one which can truly be said to have been addressed to a Christian generation. Hence, it would naturally emphasize, not the unconverted sinner's need of pardon, but of the Christian's constant need of a pardoning Savior. It is the Christian who cannot say that he has no sin, and who must find pardon by confessing his sins to Christ. Acts 2:38 shows how the alien sinner may obtain remission; 1 John 1:9 shows how the Christian, when he sins, may obtain remission.

I disagree with the notion that the remarried have a compulsory need to leave their current spouse and go back to their original spouse. I would say that the reasoning behind that is not sound. If a divorced woman stays unmarried, and then reconciles with her husband, great! If she remarries then it is too late to be reconciled to her original spouse. JESUS CHRIST provides the forgiveness of our sins. I still stand by my original statement - if a spouse is in a neglectful or abusive relationship, or their spouse committs adultery that spouse has the right to end the marriage. I do not believe that our LORD JESUS CHRIST would have someone stay in a marriage only to be destroyed. Fisher, you never seem to address that. I think it is better to forgive our spouses for trespasses they committ against us before ever thinking of a divorce, that is true. And my wife and I have done that several times for each other as well. Frivilous divorces, though - no fault, any cause types - are wrong no matter what! In the end, however, it is the atoning blood of JESUS CHRIST that cleanses us of our sins. We need HIM all the time. Adultery, like any sin, will not seperate a believer in CHRIST from HIM if we confess our sins (1 John 1:9) to HIM.
We all sin and come short of the glory of GOD - we can not get to heaven ourselves.
That is why JESUS CHRIST is there!

Soory - I was respondng to Fisher in another forum and somehow posted the response above here. I did not mean to do that. If this post can be moved, please move it to
Bible Questions>When Should Christians Divorce? Thanks...

LOL...greattobesaved...bawahaa! That was cute!

Welcome K.T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm a so-called conspiracy theorist (hate that term) and I don't think I'll go to hell if I have a beer every now and then!

No worries, just BIG WELCOME!

Looking forward to learning more about you and studying with you!

Hello, my name is Terri. I am married to a wonderful man, have 2 energetic and healthy little boys which I love beyond description.
I was just looking for information about current events and Revelation. A lot of the sites are just trying to make the all-mighty dollar ( which is silly if this really is the endtimes). I just happened to find this site which had many interesting topics and discussion groups.
The discussion about parents and their children having government control over medications, treatment and evaluations is downright scary.
I'll be sticking with your website for further info and discussions. You guys are awesome.
Terri

Hi Terri!

Welcome.

Miki

Hi my name is Don Alden

I live in a small town in north-west Wiscosin with my wife Kara and I'm 44.

No kids but two very spoiled dogs, we give them lots of love. I'm a self-

employed carpenter/wood worker, I make rustic furniture and log railings

out of cedar.

I started reading the Bible in 99 and was born again May of 2003 after

leading a very sinful life. Now I can't get enough of HIM and HE dominates my

every thought. Today I love life and all of you, thanks LORD.


Your friend in CHRIST Don

Hey Don
Welcome to our family. We cant get enough of the Lord also that's why were all here together.
We are waiting for heaven then we will all get to meet in person.
We have a dog also, name Sampson full grown 4pd 3 oz chihuahua.
I hate to tell everyone but he's gay. We love him anyway. Hahaha
Kim

Greetings Don and welcome.
Grace be multiplied unto you through the LORD Jesus Christ.

I also live in western Wisconsin. River Falls. It would be great to fellowship
sometime. I also need employment. Do you have any contracts going on near
River Falls? Even if you don't the fellowship is the main priority. What town are you from?
If you didn't want to post it you can PM me.

Much Love, Tom

Hi Tom

I'm from Siren, Wi. it's about 75 miles north of you. What kind of work do you do?
Don

Oh Gad Zooks, BlindZebra. Could God be any more clear?

Hello 4him. You are answered prayer.

What do you do for the government, pray tell?

Leia

Good to meet you via the forum HumbleDon! (Didn't I read your testimony on the testimony posts?)

Hello All! I am new to this site! Marta is a good friend of mine (bad baby). I am glad to be here!

HumbleDon,

Carpenter? Rustic furniture? Good Company.....


"Lamb",

See the above. Good company.....

Leia

Hi Leia,

I'm sorry I don't understand your post. Was it to me?

Any friend of Marta's is a friend of mine!! Welcome to our humble corner of the web!!

whosoever

Thank You! It is nice to be here.

Hi Lamb
Maybe you arrrrreeeee Marta's split personabilty. Joke
Welcome and enjoy. :lol: :wacko: :o
Kim

Baaaaaaaaawhaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! She is! My kindred spirit!!

Love ya LAMB!

Marta
Thank God you have a kindred spirt.
Mine just haunts me.
Kim

HAAAAAAAAAAAA!! Good one KIM!!!!!

Marta

Kim

Hi everybody new! I'm the one everybody picks on. Marta is worried about my being old. She's dug her reminder in more than once. She thinks l don't don't notice... lol

I don't mind as l was the youngest of 3 girls and they always taunted me singing..."Miki's moma's baby...Miki's moma's baby...So it's good to be old and survived it. (so far)

But if l ever post my picture it will be in my 40's. It's only fair Marta since l can't see you at 57.

hey there LAMB-KIN!!

so happy that you are here!!!!

kisses and hugs!!

love,
bz

ps....hey everyone!! love to everyone!

and a very Special Word of Thanks to
Cherrychookie!
for her gift to me of my new avatar!!
...i finally figured out how to post it....DOH! ....blind as a ding bat....a truly blonde moment!)
-blondezebra LOL

Joke for the day:

there were two blondes, one on one side of the river,
and the other on the other side....

so one HALLAS over to the other one...

"HEY!!! HOW do i get over to the other side???"

the other blonde holllaass back:

"well, what in the world do you mean???
you're already over there!"


heee haaawwww....LOL

Scary part is, it's true! LOLOLOL

Hi shekel

Yes it was my post that you answered and thank you and others for the replys.

I posted intro to be part of something I believe the LORD has led me to. I'm a

young christian and have lots of questians but the LORD answers them all,

sometimes right away. It reallys blows me away how HE does that but also gives

me comfort.


Don

Miki!!!!!!!!

I got nothin but love for ya!!!!!!!! You know that now!!

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ZEEBIEE-
Cool pic and shall I say it is about time!! HE HEEEEEE! I was going to send you one too. I'll have to find ya a good one!!!

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LAMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lammypie?? Love ya gurl.........just remember,

YOU AIN'T ME!

LOL LOL marta.... you are the "class clown"!! God love ya!!

bz
ps...i need you to help me know how to write those funny captions like you do, under the "bad baby" face! awww...that baby is not bad...(just funny!)