1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace [be] with thee. Amen.

Paul trusted Timothy with the gospel he preached. Shekel trusts his moderators. We trust you all. Who do you all trust? There are parameters to trust however...

"avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called"

Preaching the word, being instant in season is like being a commando in the wilderness of a country with which you are at war......it is treated like a propaganda message by the comers thereunto...

Lord send us manna in this wilderness of Sin...

Bo

Bo Jangles,

I don't trust anyone automaticly except my children. Perhaps one other. It has never been easy for me. I trust God implicitly, and enjoy the company of those who agree with Him, but that is not trust, is it?

I have never considered trust as a ladder of piramid or progression; I think it either there or it is not from the beginning. Trust is a connection that just is or isn't. Even the wonderful people who put this forum together and those of you who moderate.....I am deeply grateful and conversation is so enjoyable, but that is not trust. I am afraid, though, that is as far as I can go.

Trust, to me, is so much deeper than love. Trust hits to the heart while love so often is necessary towards even those who are unlovable. Trust is reserved for those one would give the sword to and feel free to turn your back.

leia

"I have never considered trust as a ladder of pyramid or progression; I think it either there or it is not from the beginning."

I would say trust is earned for those of us outside your inner circle, and always there is a dim awareness that such trust can be eroded by rumour, innuendo, implicit facts, or some operative of circumstantial evidence.

Well considered...thanks! PS I like that "Bo Jangles!"

I trust in God and the Blood of Jesus. I do not trust any human being.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Did you ever notice how that works? Men can get in your face as you go about that industry of faith. The only way that happens for the most part is if you talk about it. But what kind of faith is it if it is enclosed in the mind of self? This trust we have been talking about is obviously of necessity, as we do live among men also.

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Stacy, I agree and see what you see...

And then I check to see if I am healed.

I read and begin to know someone that touches my heart and I weep or laugh with them and in awe and wonder I turn inward to see if I have crossed the line and let someone in and realize the line is still there, dark and wide.

You know what I realized? Trust is not love. Sometimes we think in our childness tht when we are in love, all doors fly open and all avenues to out soul are left bare for this person we intend to share our life with. But that is not how it happens really, is it? We all come with baggage and we offer up that baggage as we offer ourselves. part and parcle. A bundle of memories and works in progress.

I love the individuals on this forum. I don't just say that. My husband thinks I am absolutely crazy. "They could be terrorists!" And Brother Chuck, if you read this, he's REALLY suspect of you! lol lol lol REALLY LOL from me! Maybe its is a desperate need for companionship as some call "foruming"... but I don't lie to myself ever and I know that is not true.

But trust is more than that. Trust is more than really wanting someone to be what you need and feel they are.....trust to me is 100% know that they are, even when all facts to the contrary are present.

I love in many different way: a beautiful day, my pets, my family, my friends, my children, my husband and special others....but I can count on one hand those I trust not to hurt me. Because they are so close to me that no matter what they do, they can not hurt me. I think I know their heart well enough to know whatever it looks like, they didn't mean it.

leia

Leia says:

"Trust, to me, is so much deeper than love. Trust hits to the heart while love so often is necessary towards even those who are unlovable".

Great thought Leia and so true.

I trust Shekel's heart but that doesn't mean he's infallible. I don't trust anybody that won't give an honest testimony.

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Stacy, I agree and see what you see...

And then I check to see if I am healed.

I read and begin to know someone that touches my heart and I weep or laugh with them and in awe and wonder I turn inward to see if I have crossed the line and let someone in and realize the line is still there, dark and wide.

You know what I realized? Trust is not love. Sometimes we think in our childness tht when we are in love, all doors fly open and all avenues to out soul are left bare for this person we intend to share our life with. But that is not how it happens really, is it? We all come with baggage and we offer up that baggage as we offer ourselves. part and parcle. A bundle of memories and works in progress.

I love the individuals on this forum. I don't just say that. My husband thinks I am absolutely crazy. "They could be terrorists!" And Brother Chuck, if you read this, he's REALLY suspect of you! lol lol lol REALLY LOL from me! Maybe its is a desperate need for companionship as some call "foruming"... but I don't lie to myself ever and I know that is not true.

But trust is more than that. Trust is more than really wanting someone to be what you need and feel they are.....trust to me is 100% know that they are, even when all facts to the contrary are present.

I love in many different way: a beautiful day, my pets, my family, my friends, my children, my husband and special others....but I can count on one hand those I trust not to hurt me. Because they are so close to me that no matter what they do, they can not hurt me. I think I know their heart well enough to know whatever it looks like, they didn't mean it.

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That is so true Leila. I loved my husband before I trusted him, if that makes since. I always wondered what people meant when they said you don't love someone if you don't trust them. I have always loved before I trust, and have always wondered if I really love because of that saying. I don't know if you all are experiencing this on here, but I sometimes feel I am hearing your voices when I read your testimonies, or just anything that is written. I feel leia you are a very bubblie kind of person, I hear brother chuck as this soft spoken loving kind of person. I won't mention names but I feel some are very sad people and lonely. I don't know where it is coming from, but you all have different voices in my mind when I am reading your posts. That is where my trust for you comes from, and yes I love you all too. Miki I hope you read this. I have been wanting to say I am sorry for the remarks made on the Judgement on America. I know that is very hard to take in. To be honest does it really matter who babylon is? Are we all sining trying to figure all this prophecy out? We are hurting people and I know that is not what God wants. I am truly sorry Miki, I felt when I read that part in rev. that it was something here in America, I could be wrong and I will admit it. Maybe we should just concentrate on bible study and spreading Gods words instead of trying to figure out who the antichrist is and who is babylon. Just a thought. When I say Love to All I mean it.

Love~Stacy

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That is so true Leila. I loved my husband before I trusted him, if that makes since. I always wondered what people meant when they said you don't love someone if you don't trust them. I have always loved before I trust, and have always wondered if I really love because of that saying. I don't know if you all are experiencing this on here, but I sometimes feel I am hearing your voices when I read your testimonies, or just anything that is written. I feel leia you are a very bubblie kind of person, I hear brother chuck as this soft spoken loving kind of person. I won't mention names but I feel some are very sad people and lonely. I don't know where it is coming from, but you all have different voices in my mind when I am reading your posts. That is where my trust for you comes from, and yes I love you all too. Miki I hope you read this. I have been wanting to say I am sorry for the remarks made on the Judgement on America. I know that is very hard to take in. To be honest does it really matter who babylon is? Are we all sining trying to figure all this prophecy out? We are hurting people and I know that is not what God wants. I am truly sorry Miki, I felt when I read that part in rev. that it was something here in America, I could be wrong and I will admit it. Maybe we should just concentrate on bible study and spreading Gods words instead of trying to figure out who the antichrist is and who is babylon. Just a thought. When I say Love to All I mean it.

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Most of the time when we say I love you to the opposite sex we mean I am hoping upon all hope that this works out....or that I think I need you so I feel I can get rid of all the bad in me, my mind, and concentrate on the good. I would like to be with you and build a life while that happens. That is why we hurt so much when they don't stay and are happier with someone else. If it was altruistic, we would just be happy for them.

leia

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That is so true Leila. I loved my husband before I trusted him, if that makes since. I always wondered what people meant when they said you don't love someone if you don't trust them. I have always loved before I trust, and have always wondered if I really love because of that saying. I don't know if you all are experiencing this on here, but I sometimes feel I am hearing your voices when I read your testimonies, or just anything that is written. I feel leia you are a very bubblie kind of person, I hear brother chuck as this soft spoken loving kind of person. I won't mention names but I feel some are very sad people and lonely. I don't know where it is coming from, but you all have different voices in my mind when I am reading your posts. That is where my trust for you comes from, and yes I love you all too. Miki I hope you read this. I have been wanting to say I am sorry for the remarks made on the Judgement on America. I know that is very hard to take in. To be honest does it really matter who babylon is? Are we all sining trying to figure all this prophecy out? We are hurting people and I know that is not what God wants. I am truly sorry Miki, I felt when I read that part in rev. that it was something here in America, I could be wrong and I will admit it. Maybe we should just concentrate on bible study and spreading Gods words instead of trying to figure out who the antichrist is and who is babylon. Just a thought. When I say Love to All I mean it.

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Most of the time when we say I love you to the opposite sex we mean I am hoping upon all hope that this works out....or that I think I need you so I feel I can get rid of all the bad in me, my mind, and concentrate on the good. I would like to be with you and build a life while that happens. That is why we hurt so much when they don't stay and are happier with someone else. If it was altruistic, we would just be happy for them.

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Wow leila~ That was nice and true. My husband and I are still struggling, I thought it was all over, but it slapped me in the face again last night. He didn't slap me in the face it was all this religious stuff again. Why is it harder to walk in light than in darkness? He fought and fought with me I ruined the whole dinner that I was making because I was so upset. He later came to me and said sorry that he needed me. He could not lose me. He brought some things up that are troubling me, but I just held him and rubbed his head and told him that we will work them all out just stop working against God. I think he is scared. Pray for him please.

Love~Stacy

I don't trust anybody that won't give an honest testimony.

Miki~ Why would you not trust someones testimony. Those are very heart felt in my opionion. They are between the person and God, I think whosoever told me that once. You and I and everyone may not understand that persons testimony, but that does not mean it is dishonest. I don't believe in my heart someone would be dishonest with their testimony, a lot of what is said is very hard for one to admit to themselves much less go and tell the world. God knows the hearts of all, it does not matter what man sees.

Love~Stacy

"Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him." (Proverbs 30:5 KJV)

"As for God, His way is perfect; the Word of The Lord is tried: He is a buckler to all them that trust in Him" (2 Samuel 22:31 KJV)

"How excellent is Thy lovingkindness, O God! Therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of Thy wings." (Psalm 36:7 KJV)

"In God I will praise His word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me." (Psalm 56:4 KJV)

"For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe" (1 Timothy 4:10 KJV)

"It is better to trust in The Lord than to put confidence in man" (Psalm 118:8 KJV)

"Thus saith The Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from The Lord. For he shall be like the Heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. Blessed is the man that trusteth in The Lord, and whose hope The Lord is." (Jeremiah 17:5-7 KJV)

Stacy dear...There is no need to apologize to me for an idea. That idea has been around for a long time and has little to do with you.

Secondly...What l'm saying about an honest testimony referes to people who take on the roll of instructor but won't give their personal testimony.


I know even a testimony isn't a safe guard but it helps.
I'm glad to have you here and read some of what you have honestly shared.
I love the heart that shares...

Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
Trusting in the LORD to you all through the LORD Jesus Christ.

Dove..
What a magnificent post. God's pure Holy Word all the way through.

If a man says things against God's rightly divided Word then that man is not to be trusted until they repent no matter who it is. That includes you, me, Dean, the moderators, our pastor, our friends, our family...EVERYONE.

Please allow me to just repost a couple of the scriptures you posted that speak
of Jesus' counsel to Beware!

"It is better to trust in The Lord than to put confidence in man" (Psalm 118:8 KJV)

"Thus saith The Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from The Lord. For he shall be like the Heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. Blessed is the man that trusteth in The Lord, and whose hope The Lord is." (Jeremiah 17:5-7 KJV)

Peace through trusting in Jesus,
Tom

I look at the profile and if that person is so closeted that they cannot feel free to post a little info on themselves, it tells me I am dealing with mr or mrs anonymous...is this the pope or is it some other wannabe? How is one to take at face value those things which are injected into ones path like cloves in a roast ham? Frankly there are many anonymous users. A function of anonymity is that it is anonymous It creates many blunderbus theologians. They can shoot every bird that they think looks like a turkey with just one shot.

Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
Knowledge, Wisdom, and Understanding to you all through the LORD Jesus Christ.

Stacy,
you wrote..
I don't trust anybody that won't give an honest testimony.

I agree..neither do I.

you also wrote..
I don't believe in my heart someone would be dishonest with their testimony, a lot of what is said is very hard for one to admit to themselves much less go and tell the world.

There are people that are dishonest in their testimony. I've seen it and I hesitated
posting the testimony of Jesus in my life because of it. I finally came to the conclusion that it is better to give God glory and let those that steal be judged for
doing so. They aren't getting away with anything. They do however deceive many
with the info they get from others and then claim it to be their own.
It is written..
Jer. 23:30-32
Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my
words everyone from his neighbor.
Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that *use their tongues
(that use tongues), and say, He saith.
Behold I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and
do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their *lightness(vain boasting), yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

you also wrote..
God knows the hearts of all, it does not matter what man sees.

Amen ..God does know the hearts of all and that's what He judges us by. Out
of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Jesus said, By thy words thou shalt be justified and by thy words thou shall be condemned.
Proverbs 19:5
A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaks lies shall not escape.

In a respect it matters what man sees. The 'weaker' vessels see the sheeps clothing and do not know that they are wolves on the inside. They get deceived and stumble. These wolves steal from their neighbors the true words of God's
counsel and mix it with their own 'reasonings' and their bogus reasonings (which seem right to them) get accepted as truth when in fact it's the way of death.
Proverbs 14:12
There is a way that seems right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

All in all you are wise to look to the testimony.


Larry,
you wrote..
I look at the profile and if that person is so closeted that they cannot feel free to post a little info on themselves, it tells me I am dealing with mr or mrs anonymous...is this the pope or is it some other wannabe? How is one to take at face value those things which are injected into ones path like cloves in a roast ham? Frankly there are many anonymous users. A function of anonymity is that it is anonymous

What do you think the profile of Balaam's donkey would look like?
Does it make a difference if a person in white, black, red, or yellow? Does it make a difference if a person drives a Porsche or an old bicycle? Does it make a difference idf their tall or short..fat or thin? How about the black sheep of the family of 11 that dropped out of high school in 10th grade that brought Jesus to me? Or how about the cussing fisherman dude named Peter? What are you looking for in a person's profile?
All that anyone on this forum needs to know are the word's that are being posted.
If we all only had numbers that would probably be best but then some would look
at number 6 with a negative view.
If someone posted that we should pray to Mary..whether it be "the Pope" or not I
would know that it wasn't of Jesus because the Holy Word of God says,
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1Tim.2:5
It does not matter whether the poster is male or female of anything else. What
matters is what's posted. Is it God's rightly divided truth??.. or not??

God is no respecter of persons. Act 10:34c Why should
you or anyone else be? There are people that post that have problems spelling
but the post the truth. Then there are others that use all kinds of big words and
flowery reasonings (not condescending to the weaker vessels) that think their
impressive (but their not) that post things that are contrary to the teachings of
scripture.
God is not impressed with anyone of us. He is only impressed with His Son. When
we die to ourselves and Live unto him then we are received whether we can spell
or not.
1Cor.1:19,20d
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the
understanding of the prudent.
hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

Should I be made to feel bad or falling short because I haven't listed a personal
profile? Slim chance..I'm not here to lift up Tom. I'm here, as well as many others
that don't have personal info listed, only to lift up the LORD Jesus Christ and let him alone be glorified..not me..not them..not you..not anyone else.

you also wrote..
It creates many blunderbus theologians. They can shoot every bird that they think looks like a turkey with just one shot.

Blunderbuss has two s's.

For those of you that don't know what a "blunderbuss" is.
It's an obsolete short-barreled firearm with a flaring muzzle.

Anonymity creates many blunderbuss theologians???????

Anonymity does not create a obsolete theologian only an unrepentant heart can do
that. Someone that can see through the door that leads to everlasting life but
refuses to enter because it means death to self. Love for self rather than Love for
God by Faith.

I cannot speak for anyone else that you may have offended by that remark but I am not anonymous to the LORD Jesus. He knows the
thought's and intents of my heart and He loves me. He does not give me a
"blunderbuss" as a weapon but the sword of the Spirit. And the enemy I seek is
not a Turkey but the powers and principalities of darkness. The sword of the Spirit
is wonderful because when in use it brings life to the believer and only harms the enemy. Let the name of Jesus be praised for GREAT things He has done.

Seen any wabbits lately?

Peace, Tom

We can love and hope in others without placing our trust in them. It’s not about withdrawing into oneself. Its about establishing a firm base in ones relationship with God through Jesus and then going out to share the gospel with others. Too many people rely on other people for the detailed plans for their base with God. They may as well be making another human their Messiah.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

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It is a shame you read that attitude into my post. But my statement did not reveal any anger for others but my Trust In God through the Messiah Jesus Only.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

The word is mighty isn't it Dove, like a two edged sword. Where would we be without this wonderful foundation?


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

I personally feel that if someone is asked to give testimony to what God has done in their life and they refuse it is for good reason. I don't trust them pure and simple. A forum is already anonymous. Submit one to another. Nobody here is a stubborn donkey except maybe....

Tom... you think someone has made a theological error in prophesying...Does anybody know remember or care? Do you realize that if l asked for a show of hands from everybody that passes through or is stationary on this forum you might get 5 hands...(not many) But you just keep on stalking...hurting more (little sheep) by that than the theological error you believe you've unearthed in the first place.

I don't read everything people post but l do know a bitter root exists. It's in you brother... I let this issue go long ago because it had become a stumbling block.

Nobody is following after a man here. You've made sure of that...But nobody is following after your words either. Your awesome testimony is blemished because you won't let it go.

Did someone make a mistake? Have they prophesied wrongly? Time will tell not you. Because you've disqualified yourself by your dogged pursuit after someone you should be loving. Go after the board in your own eye.

You've made theological error too. Nobody cares except the experts and your the only one l see waving his hat.

You owe your own apology now...I wonder if you will submit to that and stand by it or if you will quailify it like a child and say him first?

Bothers and Sisters in Christ,
Eyes to see and ears to hear to you all through the LORD Jesus Christ.

Miki..
I'm so happy you love me so much.

you wrote..
"I personally feel that if someone is asked to give testimony to what God has done in their life and they refuse it is for good reason."

I can't think of a good reason why someone would 'not' want to share what God has done in their life... Unless of course there is nothing to share.

next you wrote..
"I don't trust them pure and simple."

You don't trust what?? A person that won't give their testimony or a person's testimony?
I think??? you're saying that you don't trust the testimony. Hmmm...Why?? because maybe someone that is anonymous might not be truthful??
It would be oxymoronic for someone to give a false testimony in praise to God
whose arch enemy is the liar. But it happens all the time.. It's called the 'Mystery
of iniquity'.

next you wrote..
"A forum is already anonymous. Submit one to another."

You are right..the forum is anonymous. That means anyone can be on here. Both
the righteous and the unrighteous. Why would I want to put personal infomation
on the world wide web for anyone to use as they wish. Have you ever heard of identity theft?
We in the Body of Christ are to submit one to another and anyone that personally
knows me will tell you that I fulfill that Godly counsel.

In your haste to ridicule and defame me you maybe missed what I wrote to Larry
concerning putting profiles on the forum. Since you must have not absorbed any-
thing but the Balaam's donkey line I'll repost what I wrote.

What do you think the profile of Balaam's donkey would look like?
Does it make a difference if a person in white, black, red, or yellow? Does it make a difference if a person drives a Porsche or an old bicycle? Does it make a difference if their tall or short..fat or thin? How about the black sheep of the family of 11 that dropped out of high school in 10th grade that brought Jesus to me? Or how about the cussing fisherman dude named Peter? What are you looking for in a person's profile?
All that anyone on this forum needs to know are the word's that are being posted.
If we all only had numbers that would probably be best but then some would look
at number 6 with a negative view.
If someone posted that we should pray to Mary..whether it be "the Pope" or not I
would know that it wasn't of Jesus because the Holy Word of God says,
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1Tim.2:5
It does not matter whether the poster is male or female of anything else. What
matters is what's posted. Is it God's rightly divided truth??.. or not??

God is no respecter of persons. Act 10:34c Why should
you or anyone else be? There are people that post that have problems spelling
but they post the truth. Then there are others that use all kinds of big words and
flowery reasonings (not condescending to the weaker vessels) that think their
impressive (but their not) that post things that are contrary to the teachings of
scripture.
God is not impressed with anyone of us. He is only impressed with His Son. When
we die to ourselves and Live unto him then we are received whether we can spell
or not.

Just a forum name is quite sufficient so we can tell who is posting what. From the
words that are posted we can discern by the Holy Spirit what is of God and what
is not. That leaves all possible bias' at the door.

next you wrote..
Nobody here is a stubborn donkey except maybe....

Tom...

First of all it wasn't Balaam's donkey that was stubborn.. It was Balaam.
Second, if by your cute little way of posting you were calling me a donkey then
you need to get to your prayer closet. I'm not amused and neither is God.

continuing..you wrote..
"Tom... you think someone has made a theological error in prophesying"

I don't think..I know. You even posted yourself that you saw his flesh in it. To any
one that knows the scriptures it was easily in theological error.

next you asked..
"Does anybody know remember or care?"

Yes. I know, remember and care. And more importantly so does the LORD Jesus.

next you asked..
" Do you realize that if l asked for a show of hands from everybody that passes through or is stationary on this forum you might get 5 hands...(not many)"

I'm not looking for a show of hands and neither is Jesus. We're looking for confession and repentance.

next you wrote..
"But you just keep on stalking...hurting more (little sheep) by that than the theological error you believe you've unearthed in the first place."

I'm stalking?? and hurting more (little sheep) ???
The lambs and the weaker sheep get hurt by lies from the enemy. I only post the
truth. When a lie gets posted it is commanded of us to respond. I am simply obeying the LORD Jesus. It would be real simple to play the religious games of
most and pat each other on the back and 'flatter' everyone with words of praise. I
love giving credit to those that post in obedience to Jesus but it is just as much my
duty in the LORD to expose and destroy the works of darkness.
The offense of the post was not simply "theological error". It was posted in the first person of God. That means..I am the LORD and this is what I'm saying.
That is far from posting something that is wrong theologically.
The word tells us to come together and 'reason' one with another and share with
one another that the body may be edified.
There are completely different judgments for those that say "Thus saith the LORD" in the ministry as a prophet when God has not given them the message.
Do to so wrongfully is the epitome of 'bearing false witness'. You may want to read Jer. 23:16-32.
If you can't see the difference from being theologically wrong and presenting a false first person prophesy then I will be happy to explain it further.
You say I'm hurting the sheep??? What about the sheep that read the lie and believe it? I fight against the lie and you are mad at me rather than the liar??
Lastly concerning this statement of yours. I didn't have to "unearth" anything. It's
right there in black and white for ANY discerning eye to see.

next you wrote..
"I don't read everything people post but l do know a bitter root exists. It's in you brother... I let this issue go long ago because it had become a stumbling block."

Now I have a bitter root?? In case you haven't heard..we're in a war. It's the
battle of good versus evil. Jesus didn't equip us for war so we could "let it go".
If fighting sin and the devils lies are a "stumbling block" for you then you better go
turn in your armor and get a white flag from Jesus. I don't think He has any white flags to give you though.
It is no wonder that todays church is in such terrible shape. LUKEWARM!!! No zeal to fight the good fight for Jesus Christ. Oh darn...it might cost me some popularity.
Do you actually think that you're doing the Kingdom of God service by sweeping
sin under the carpet. Jesus, Paul, John the Baptist, Stephen, etc.. ALL lost their
lives because they wouldn't "let it go". They fought the lies of darkness until their
'bodily' life was taken from them. I am prepared to do the same. Aren't you??

next you wrote..
"Nobody is following after a man here. You've made sure of that"

I AM His name is Jesus
What I AM on earth for is to lead people to that man, Jesus.

next you wrote..
"But nobody is following after your words either."

I don't come in my own words but I come 'in and with' the words of my Father
which is in heaven. And there are a 'few'(that be that find it) that follow the words I post. And they are soooo precious to my Father and me.

next you wrote..
"Your awesome testimony is blemished because you won't let it go."

The AWESOME testimony of Jesus in me..the hope of Glory.. will not be blemished
because I won't let it (sin) go. Sin in every shape and form must be dealt with.
Because there is unrepented of sin in peoples lives they are weak and sleep and
are unable to discern good and evil around them. Rather than repent of their own
sin and be made fit to do the work of the kingdom they just let other peoples sin go. I know this because I was once there but Jesus in his kindness allowed me
repentance and reconciled me to my first works. Praise His name.

next you asked..
"Did someone make a mistake? Have they prophesied wrongly?" "Time will tell not you"
"Because you've disqualified yourself by your dogged pursuit after someone you should be loving."


To prophesy in the first person wrongly is a BIG mistake. It's called sin.
Time will not tell. The word of God already has.
I disqualified myself in 1977 which qualified me to be a Son of God and do His
work in His name. I pursue justice for and in the name of Jesus. If I didn't Love this person then I would just "let it go" and watch them go to hell. But my desire
is that they confess, repent, be cleansed and share heaven with the rest of the saints and me. For me to know to do good and not to do it..it is sin. I must do as
I'm told by Faith..which works by my Love for God.

you also wrote..
"Go after the board in your own eye."

Do you see a board in my eye? If you think that not letting sin go is a board then
you must be looking through a *evil(foggy) Mat.6:23 eye.

next you railed..
"You've made theological error too."
Please show me where.

then you continued..
"Nobody cares except the experts and your the only one l see waving his hat.'

If I've made a theological error and nobody cares (or are you just speaking for yourself) then they are full of hate. Love demands of us to preach repentance and
remission of sin.
And as for me...I don't wave a hat. Jesus gave me a sword.

finally you wrote..
"You owe your own apology now...I wonder if you will submit to that and stand by it or if you will quailify it like a child and say him first?"

I owe an apology??? For what? Standing on the word of God? Being used of God to
shine the Light of truth on darkness?
If there is one of the two of us that owes an apology to the forum it would be you.
I take a stand for the Holiness of God and you post a filthy picture of a real mouse copulating with a computer mouse and you say I owe an apology.

I think if there's someone that may have a root of bitterness then I would say it
was you. You whole post was full of strife and daggers.
They did hurt a little bit but I've already prayed for you and Jesus has given me
wonderful affirmation that I am in His will.

Proverbs 15:28
The heart of the righteous studies to answer: but the mouth of the wicked pours
out evil things.

PEACE..Like a river,
Tom

I don't think this Forum is anonymous .

For some strange reason , I have a butterfly in my room , and it has just batted its wings , after days of being motionless .

It reminded me of the old Chaos Theory Model , a butterfly flaps its wings in the Amazon and there is a storm in Tokyo ...............a complete myth , but enduring nonetheless .

Is that a metaphor for the forum ? A line penned in Idaho leads to a war in Kurdistan .............just a thought

Tom...Why is it l knew you would answer like that?

We aren't seeing eye to eye at all. must be the speck and the board.

When l talk about people giving testimony l'm talking about what the Lord does in their lives...Like you have so graciously done for us. Nothing else...I don't care if they ride a bike or fly a plane...It's all the same to God and me too.

I like your Butterfly story Marcus

What l don't trust (l guess l thought it was a given) is people who propose to endlessly teach others (including controversial portions of scripture) But won't witness as to how the Lord works in their lives.

But that is neither here nor there. And by the way... I didn't plan the 'donkey Tom' part but saw it afterwards and decide to leave it. (there's more than one donkey here )

Then you spend a lot of time talking about what l didn't mean at all. Unfortunately in writing we don't always make ourselves clear. Don't care what color the donkey is or where he lives but it's good to know God whispered in his ear...We like to here the good parts.

I speak from my flesh too Tom...so do you.

The Holy Spirit convicts. God judges...

You haven't seen this?? It just seems amazing to me...?

I've decide to Love...simple as that. Wrong or right...Anything else works iniquity.

(I like you Tom...I wonder if you've been able to utilize your talents...
Hey... Are you a lawyer???!!! That would fit!!!! )

You responded to what you see as lie from the enemy. You did your duty. Now let it go and love your brother. It's up to God to judge. This isn't a wrestling match where somebody has to give.

We're all going to be doing that before the Lord soon enough.

I'm not comfortable with first person prophecy but since l don't know for sure, (and neither do you) I've decide to let it go and Love my brother. If he's wrong he'll be in enough trouble later. No need to rub salt in the wound.

I've said goofy things....I just take all the credit for it. If it turns out to be right l'll give God the glory...Is that cheating????

Anyway Tom.... have a great Thanksgiving.

I'm greatfull for you and your wonderful testimony...Please keep sharing what the Lord has done for you.

That paints the best picture...not what somebody looks like or weather they can spell or if they are a lawyer or volunteer or mathematician or count on their fingers like me.

Funny...One of the worst math people you know and here l am...

I think the biggest trust is going to be posting a picture on the "unveiling" thread.

leia

I thought that too...if you are not loved by all, then that could become a sounding board. I am convinced of my enemies, but I am gregarious and open in my approach. I do not try to mask myself...

Larry,
Peace through the LORD Jesus Christ.

you wrote..
" I am convinced of my enemies, but I am gregarious and open in my approach. I do not try to mask myself"

Who are your enemies and do you think there is someone on this forum that is
trying to "mask" themself?

Peace, Tom