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FieryIce

Nov 15 2005, 02:00 PM

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Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Is anyone looking for the Elijah like prophet?
I wonder what he would have to say?
Would you recognize him?
How would you recognize him?
How worse will it be for those living today if they don't listen to the Elijah like one as compared to in the days when Jonah had a message for the people in Nineveh?

Apparently in the oldest manuscripts Mal 4:6 is worded differently something like "he will restore the HEART of the Father to mankind, and the hearts of mankind to the Father".

Shekel

Nov 15 2005, 05:35 PM

Don't you think that we should be looking for the Lord rather?

I regularily have people email me that think that they know or are themselves one of the Two Witnesses. That's a lot of Witnesses!

If they are indeed two literal people and not just figurative for two witnesses for God in general, then I suppose that when they come they will be like the lightning that is obvious. We won't be wondering.

Moreover, it is time for all of God's people to bear witnesses of Him and do exploits. Jesus said, "For the least in the kingdom of God is greater than he." This spoke He of John the Baptist "who came in the spirit and power of Elijah" of whom one of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 alludes. Therefore I think we can deduce that 'the least in the kingdom of God is greater than the Witnesses' too!

But a lot of simplistic ideas I think will fall apart as that day draws near ---- maybe mine, maybe yours?

FieryIce

Nov 15 2005, 07:57 PM

When King Jesus comes there will be no mistaking it.

It's the one prophet that is to come before the "great and dreadful day" that I was questioning about and being able to identify him. The two witnesses are discussed in other threads.

Leia

Nov 15 2005, 08:22 PM

QUOTE(Shekel @ Nov 15 2005, 04:35 PM)

Don't you think that we should be looking for the Lord rather?

I regularily have people email me that think that they know or are themselves one of the Two Witnesses. That's a lot of Witnesses!

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You know Sheckel, a few years ago, I would have said that anyone claiming to be one of the two witnesses was insane. First, I don't think they wil lhave to say it. Second, the likelihood of it being in the middle of Alabama is unlikely but who knows.

But , you know, I met one. He actually worked for me for a long time and was the wildest person and the reason why I insisted everyone who works for me wear a uniform eve if when I have to provide them. The I did not have to worry whether he was dresses in front of my customers! But then he was saved. my father told me "there is nothing worse than a reformed anything..." meaning we tend to go the same distance on the other side as we were on the wrong side. This ment quite a leap for this young man. And he became very....energetic....for the Lord. My other milker almost quit.

He told me he knew he was one of the two witnesses. He was sure of it. He felt that dedicated and believed no other could be that dedicated. And that was just one milker in the middle of Alabama. He was not, of course. Rest his sould he was killed when someone pulled out in front of him in the fog. That was over a year ago. But I have learned a great deal from it.

I, too, watch for the unmistakable because just about anyone can claim to be just about anything.

leia

Boanerges

Nov 15 2005, 08:33 PM

QUOTE(Leia @ Nov 15 2005, 06:22 PM)

QUOTE(Shekel @ Nov 15 2005, 04:35 PM)

Don't you think that we should be looking for the Lord rather?

I regularily have people email me that think that they know or are themselves one of the Two Witnesses. That's a lot of Witnesses!

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You know Sheckel, a few years ago, I would have said that anyone claiming to be one of the two witnesses was insane. First, I don't think they wil lhave to say it. Second, the likelihood of it being in the middle of Alabama is unlikely but who knows.

But , you know, I met one. He actually worked for me for a long time and was the wildest person and the reason why I insisted everyone who works for me wear a uniform eve if when I have to provide them. The I did not have to worry whether he was dresses in front of my customers! But then he was saved. my father told me "there is nothing worse than a reformed anything..." meaning we tend to go the same distance on the other side as we were on the wrong side. This ment quite a leap for this young man. And he became very....energetic....for the Lord. My other milker almost quit.

He told me he knew he was one of the two witnesses. He was sure of it. He felt that dedicated and believed no other could be that dedicated. And that was just one milker in the middle of Alabama. He was not, of course. Rest his sould he was killed when someone pulled out in front of him in the fog. That was over a year ago. But I have learned a great deal from it.

I, too, watch for the unmistakable because just about anyone can claim to be just about anything.

leia
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I met a guy once who "knew" beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus was living in Pennsylvania and waiting the time to show himself.

Adstar

Nov 15 2005, 09:37 PM

I was on a Christian chat site when two chatters came in and they claimed to be the two witnesses. We had a few interesting discussions with those two.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

FieryIce

Nov 19 2005, 01:43 PM

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Mat 17:9 And as they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is raised from the dead.
Mat 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, saying, Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?
Mat 17:11 And answering, Jesus said to them, Elijah indeed comes first and shall restore all things.
Mat 17:12 But I say to you, Elijah already came, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they desired. So also the Son of Man is about to suffer by them.
Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them about John the Baptist.

Mar 9:12 And answering, He said to them, Indeed, Elijah coming first restores all things

It is wrote that after John's death Jesus stated these words about the coming of Elijah, or one like Elijah as John was. This mater was important enough for the US government to have a think tank in 1997 at Berkley working on this possibility.

There are all ready 22 pages about the two witnesses, this is about Elijah or one like him coming. There are only two posts in this thread about the Elijah like one and those posts are mine.

rtkiii66

Nov 19 2005, 05:20 PM

QUOTE(Boanerges @ Nov 15 2005, 08:33 PM)

QUOTE(Leia @ Nov 15 2005, 06:22 PM)

QUOTE(Shekel @ Nov 15 2005, 04:35 PM)

Don't you think that we should be looking for the Lord rather?

I regularily have people email me that think that they know or are themselves one of the Two Witnesses. That's a lot of Witnesses!

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You know Sheckel, a few years ago, I would have said that anyone claiming to be one of the two witnesses was insane. First, I don't think they wil lhave to say it. Second, the likelihood of it being in the middle of Alabama is unlikely but who knows.

But , you know, I met one. He actually worked for me for a long time and was the wildest person and the reason why I insisted everyone who works for me wear a uniform eve if when I have to provide them. The I did not have to worry whether he was dresses in front of my customers! But then he was saved. my father told me "there is nothing worse than a reformed anything..." meaning we tend to go the same distance on the other side as we were on the wrong side. This ment quite a leap for this young man. And he became very....energetic....for the Lord. My other milker almost quit.

He told me he knew he was one of the two witnesses. He was sure of it. He felt that dedicated and believed no other could be that dedicated. And that was just one milker in the middle of Alabama. He was not, of course. Rest his sould he was killed when someone pulled out in front of him in the fog. That was over a year ago. But I have learned a great deal from it.

I, too, watch for the unmistakable because just about anyone can claim to be just about anything.

leia
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I met a guy once who "knew" beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus was living in Pennsylvania and waiting the time to show himself.
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Praise God for everyone who takes the time to stop in this forum and write. We are all part of Gods plan. Amen? We all have a part to play, each piece that is brought complete's another. I praise God for every soul that is touched by His ministry. It is my opinion the two witnesses will be unmistakable because they are super natural. Just as we are super natural. We are the righteousness of Christ, we have been taken from satans kingdom and put into Gods Kingdom. Alot of us have spent alot of time bound and we do not realize how free we are, the power we walk in. Just imagine if you have been in prision for 30 years and you get out, it takes time to get acclimated to being free some never make the transition and go back to prision because it is what they know. We are the same way, we walk in this duality of being in Christ and being out of Christ. WE ARE NEVER OUT OF CHRIST, unless we confess we do not believe that Christ is our saviour. We are super natural walk in it!!

Norval

Nov 19 2005, 07:44 PM

QUOTE(Shekel @ Nov 15 2005, 05:35 PM)

Don't you think that we should be looking for the Lord rather?

But a lot of simplistic ideas I think will fall apart as that day draws near ---- maybe mine, maybe yours?

We will all see the Lord's return "in the clouds". No need to "look" for him.

Many have no knowledge about the coming of a prophet, or very little at most.
Possibly that is why they can only respond with things about the two witnesses?
There are many more passages that deal with the coming of this prophet.
Sirach 48:10 is a favorite of mine.

Any here have the strength to tell God to "cool thy wrath"?

shy1

Nov 20 2005, 10:55 AM

QUOTE(Norval @ Nov 19 2005, 06:44 PM)

We will all see the Lord's return "in the clouds". No need to "look" for him.

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This is very true--there is really no way to mistake a false Christ for the real one, because the real one will return in glory in the clouds. If we have been ready and waiting and looking for His return, we will be caught up to meet Him.

QUOTE(Norval @ Nov 19 2005, 06:44 PM)

Many have no knowledge about the coming of a prophet, or very little at most.
Possibly that is why they can only respond with things about the two witnesses?
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The two witnesses ARE prophets, and very powerful ones at that. But as this thread is not about them, let's return to Elijah.

ethel

Feb 2 2006, 02:28 PM

Questions and debate is good. Gets the mind working.

The witnesses will not say who they are until GOD makes the announcement (not sure how that's going to happen). Anyone who states, "They are a witness as found in Revelations," disqualifies themselves right there. NO ONE can proclaim themselves but God.

Miki has it correct. The two witnesses will have only the SPIRIT of Elijah and Enoch but will have complete power as given to them by God.

It is a long process in the fires to become what God wants. Can't wait for this movie to come out!

Blessings

shy1

Feb 2 2006, 06:18 PM

QUOTE(ethel @ Feb 2 2006, 01:28 PM)

Questions and debate is good. Gets the mind working.

The witnesses will not say who they are until GOD makes the announcement (not sure how that's going to happen). Anyone who states, "They are a witness as found in Revelations," disqualifies themselves right there. NO ONE can proclaim themselves but God.

Miki has it correct. The two witnesses will have only the SPIRIT of Elijah and Enoch but will have complete power as given to them by God.

It is a long process in the fires to become what God wants. Can't wait for this movie to come out!

Blessings
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Me too! It's one I'm really looking forward to! I believe we'll all be here for it, and I really can't wait--hope we get to watch. I'm really curious to see how it will all start out, especially. Like you said, God will surely announce them in some way, and that will be amazing!

Ethel, what's your view on the timing of the Lord catching up His people to meet him? To me, it's AT the Second Coming, after all the tribulation and wrath and everything else, so I believe we'll undoubtedly be here for the witnesses, assuming we individually live that long. Since you share an interest in the two witnesses, I wondered what you thought about that.

Debbie

MARK PAYNE

Feb 17 2006, 07:52 AM

I have heard that the spirit of elijah has already turned the hearts back to the fathers! and the fathers back to the children>>which is to say we are to teach and preach the Apostles doctrine! Get back to the Word the way Peter and Paul preached it in the day of Pentecost!! Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 church doctrine! Luke 24:47 teaching in my Name repentance and remmision beginning in Jerusalem!!!
And that a mans ministry follows him, and that the two prophets in revelation will be Moses and Elijah. Moses had a water ministry and Elijah had a fire ministry! And they never saw death! They were even seen with Jesus on the mount of transfiguation!

Miki

Feb 17 2006, 08:22 AM

"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord; and he shall turn the heart of fathers to the children and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse". Malachi 4:5,6

I know what a lot of people say about this scripture but it's never been a revelation for me...?

Pamela

Feb 17 2006, 06:40 PM

QUOTE(MARK PAYNE @ Feb 17 2006, 06:52 AM)

I have heard that the spirit of elijah has already turned the hearts back to the fathers! and the fathers back to the children>>which is to say we are to teach and preach the Apostles doctrine! Get back to the Word the way Peter and Paul preached it in the day of Pentecost!! Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 church doctrine! Luke 24:47 teaching in my Name repentance and remmision beginning in Jerusalem!!!
And that a mans ministry follows him, and that the two prophets in revelation will be Moses and Elijah. Moses had a water ministry and Elijah had a fire ministry! And they never saw death! They were even seen with Jesus on the mount of transfiguation!

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Moses died: God took Moses and buried him....So how can this be?

Would it not be Enoch and Elijah? For these two never died.
Enoch was taken by the Lord
Elijah was taken by the Lord as well....

Charlie

Feb 17 2006, 11:14 PM

QUOTE(Pamela @ Feb 17 2006, 04:40 PM)

QUOTE(MARK PAYNE @ Feb 17 2006, 06:52 AM)

I have heard that the spirit of elijah has already turned the hearts back to the fathers! and the fathers back to the children>>which is to say we are to teach and preach the Apostles doctrine! Get back to the Word the way Peter and Paul preached it in the day of Pentecost!! Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 church doctrine! Luke 24:47 teaching in my Name repentance and remmision beginning in Jerusalem!!!
And that a mans ministry follows him, and that the two prophets in revelation will be Moses and Elijah. Moses had a water ministry and Elijah had a fire ministry! And they never saw death! They were even seen with Jesus on the mount of transfiguation!

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Moses died: God took Moses and buried him....So how can this be?

Would it not be Enoch and Elijah? For these two never died.
Enoch was taken by the Lord
Elijah was taken by the Lord as well....
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Wasn't Moses on the mount of transfiguration with Elijah?

Matthew 17
3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.

Mark 9
4 And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.

Charlie

rtkiii66

Feb 18 2006, 10:58 AM

QUOTE(charlie @ Feb 17 2006, 10:14 PM)

QUOTE(Pamela @ Feb 17 2006, 04:40 PM)

QUOTE(MARK PAYNE @ Feb 17 2006, 06:52 AM)

I have heard that the spirit of elijah has already turned the hearts back to the fathers! and the fathers back to the children>>which is to say we are to teach and preach the Apostles doctrine! Get back to the Word the way Peter and Paul preached it in the day of Pentecost!! Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 church doctrine! Luke 24:47 teaching in my Name repentance and remmision beginning in Jerusalem!!!
And that a mans ministry follows him, and that the two prophets in revelation will be Moses and Elijah. Moses had a water ministry and Elijah had a fire ministry! And they never saw death! They were even seen with Jesus on the mount of transfiguation!

[right][snapback]41013[/snapback][/right]

Moses died: God took Moses and buried him....So how can this be?

Would it not be Enoch and Elijah? For these two never died.
Enoch was taken by the Lord
Elijah was taken by the Lord as well....
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Wasn't Moses on the mount of transfiguration with Elijah?

Matthew 17
3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.

Mark 9
4 And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.

Charlie
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Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

It was a vision.

Pamela

Feb 18 2006, 12:40 PM

QUOTE(rtkiii66 @ Feb 18 2006, 09:58 AM)

QUOTE(charlie @ Feb 17 2006, 10:14 PM)

QUOTE(Pamela @ Feb 17 2006, 04:40 PM)

QUOTE(MARK PAYNE @ Feb 17 2006, 06:52 AM)

I have heard that the spirit of elijah has already turned the hearts back to the fathers! and the fathers back to the children>>which is to say we are to teach and preach the Apostles doctrine! Get back to the Word the way Peter and Paul preached it in the day of Pentecost!! Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 church doctrine! Luke 24:47 teaching in my Name repentance and remmision beginning in Jerusalem!!!
And that a mans ministry follows him, and that the two prophets in revelation will be Moses and Elijah. Moses had a water ministry and Elijah had a fire ministry! And they never saw death! They were even seen with Jesus on the mount of transfiguation!

[right][snapback]41013[/snapback][/right]

Moses died: God took Moses and buried him....So how can this be?

Would it not be Enoch and Elijah? For these two never died.
Enoch was taken by the Lord
Elijah was taken by the Lord as well....
[right][snapback]41148[/snapback][/right]

Wasn't Moses on the mount of transfiguration with Elijah?

Matthew 17
3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.

Mark 9
4 And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.

Charlie
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Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

It was a vision.
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Wouldn't that be referring to the resurrection of Jesus after he rose from the dead 3 days later? "until the Son of man be risen again from the dead."

Not referring to the time of His second coming, but being risen from the dead......

I ask because if it were Moses, that would mean Moses dies twice....
He died once in Duet. 34:5 So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in land of Moab according to the word of the Lord.
Deut. 34:6 and he buried him in the valley of the land of Moab, over against Beth-peor: but no man knowth of his sepulchre unto this day.

We are only appoint to death once Heb. 9:27
Subject and Index in the KJV: Death:Person exempted from: Enoch Gen 5:24 and Heb.11:5& Elijah 2Kings 2:11....

If it were Moses would not be considered re-incarnation...of which does not happen?

The above statement by me is why I believe it is Enoch and Elijah. Neither men died yet, they were taken up by God....

I come back to add: You must look at all the events through out all the scriptures and see who are the 2 that have not tasted death yet...

Charlie

Feb 19 2006, 04:59 PM

QUOTE(rtkiii66 @ Feb 18 2006, 08:58 AM)

QUOTE(charlie @ Feb 17 2006, 10:14 PM)

QUOTE(Pamela @ Feb 17 2006, 04:40 PM)

QUOTE(MARK PAYNE @ Feb 17 2006, 06:52 AM)

I have heard that the spirit of elijah has already turned the hearts back to the fathers! and the fathers back to the children>>which is to say we are to teach and preach the Apostles doctrine! Get back to the Word the way Peter and Paul preached it in the day of Pentecost!! Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 church doctrine! Luke 24:47 teaching in my Name repentance and remmision beginning in Jerusalem!!!
And that a mans ministry follows him, and that the two prophets in revelation will be Moses and Elijah. Moses had a water ministry and Elijah had a fire ministry! And they never saw death! They were even seen with Jesus on the mount of transfiguation!

[right][snapback]41013[/snapback][/right]

Moses died: God took Moses and buried him....So how can this be?

Would it not be Enoch and Elijah? For these two never died.
Enoch was taken by the Lord
Elijah was taken by the Lord as well....
[right][snapback]41148[/snapback][/right]

Wasn't Moses on the mount of transfiguration with Elijah?

Matthew 17
3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.

Mark 9
4 And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.

Charlie
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Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

It was a vision.
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Vision means "that which is seen, spectacle". Christ took them to the Mount of Olives and did this thing before their eyes. They saw the vision with their eyes, as it was happening. I can see a vision of a waterfall in a dream or I can see a vision of a waterfall while standing there looking at a waterfall. Here is a better translation of that verse.

World English Bible
Matthew 17
9 As they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Don't tell anyone what you saw, until the Son of Man has risen from the dead."

Hebrew New Testament
Matthew 17
9 As they were coming down from the mountain, Yeshua commanded them, saying, "Don't tell anyone what you saw, until the Son of Man has risen from the dead."

Here is Mark’s collaboration in the New King James Version.

9 Now as they came down from the mountain, He commanded them that they should tell no one the things they had seen, till the Son of Man had risen from the dead

Charlie