We're back in a church where people in prayer lines are regularly slain in the spirit. Am interested in peoples experienece / thoughts on this. The survey provides an opportunity to get a quick snap shot of this.

Lol
I wondered why a poll was taking so long and now I see... it's a survey!

This just doesnt feel right...a joke?

I will be watching befor I vote with this one. I want to see what the motives are here.

I have had the Holy Spirit come upon me in the form of a double portion, but it didn't slay me; it gave me peace, love, joy, and ability to withstand longsuffering.

I really have a problem with this term slain in the spirit.


BUT: these people were slain in the spirit:

But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,


Act 5:2 And kept back [part] of the price, his wife also being privy [to it], and brought a certain part, and laid [it] at the apostles' feet.


Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land?


Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.


Act 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.


Act 5:6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried [him] out, and buried [him].

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Num 16:32 And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that [appertained] unto Korah, and all [their] goods.

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Exd 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I [am] the LORD.

ListeningPrayer :


Those are questions and thoughts that many non-Pentecostal readers, will have.


Most Pentecostal readers, have also over the years thought all these questions ?


And the Slain in the Spirit is real.



And the anointing is real.


Sometimes, I have in revival services questioned the visitation of the Preacher assigned
to that service, during the healing service.

And in the 90 % category, I have been blessed to feel, see, experience in all 6 senses
of my being, the anointing and actions of the Holy Ghost, during these services.

10 %, is left open for human error.


--------- Good thread, topic needs to be addressed !


Thank you !

Hi Peacemaker

They are serious questions. Although there are some lighthearted options.

I'll wait with you to see my motives tested. Ready for correction if needed.

Blessings Listeningprayer

maybe you could tell us your experience and what you have witnessed

Hi Patmos


I'm talking about what most people I've talked to consider a positive spiritual experience where they end up lying on their back in church rather than an act of judgement. Is this what you mean by "the Holy Spirit coming upon you in the form of a double portion"?

Hi Signet

Got to be quick as need to get my little boy into school so I can answer more latter in detail. I normally (if not always) experience pressure on my forehead from the Prayer - feels like being pushed. I then have a choice how I respond - last sunday was the first time for a long time I have been in this situation - it caught me a bit by supprise. I was praying in tounges at the time (not sure if this makes me a pentecostal - but it is something I have done since shortly after 1st becoming a christian) and felt I should just go with the flow - even though I felt I was being pushed on my forehead. I found peace in the experience plus a fair amount of amusement - This is often a symtom I have of praying I often end up chuckling away to myself in prayer meetings.

A mate of mine who is the youth pastor at my old church (he is a pentecostal) thinks I shouldn't be push. He has been slain a few time in the past (and he has always gone down without any help).





Thanks C7

then, better to ask God who is the author and finisher of our faith
for He is able to provide you with His grace to receive and be blessed
according to the experience that He is providing you...yes?

if you have peace...then let peace be with you.

shalom,
signet

a few months ago, on Christian Radio, Dave Hunt said

study the Bible..........the pattern is,
if you fall FORWARD, face down, you are in a WORSHIP posture/position............Godly

if you fall BACKWARD, belly up,,,,,,,,,you are in a REBUKED position.............satanic

1Sa 4:18 And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck brake, and he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty years.

Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

so, i don't recommend the SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT to anyone.............i think it's satanic..........the flim-flam TELEVANGELISTS are famous for doing this stuff

i put a Thread on this forum, months ago, about this

It has happened to me 3 times in a church I once attended. I was not pushed... my forehead was touched and I went down and was caught by the "catchers". As I laid on the carpet, there was a sense of amazement, of what had just happened, that came over me.

Was it real? YES... it really happened.

Looking back now, in retrospect... 8 years later... and wiser in the Lord, I believe that being "slain in the spirit" is definitely of an occult nature.

Was it of God? NO, I don't believe so. This practice of being slain in the Spirit while falling backward is not validated in the Scriptures.

I have had people shove me down many times. I have tested them by pushing back and you can feel there hands shoving on you. I did go up for prayer in 2000 and when the people prayed over me I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. They kind of ruined the experience when they shoved me to the ground though. But I do remember I had perfect peace and I felt like praising God forever like it says they do in heaven in the bible. It gave me the strengh to endure these past 8 years. Without it I would have never made it this far.


What is happing though, is the phonies over took the churches and added drama. So they would get people all worked up over nothing. Then they get adrenaline rushes and lay there like idoits thinking Gods filling them when all it is is emotinal highs. If these people were truely being filled with the spirit they would proficy and see maricles happen but they do not. They never say anything that comes true and they don't see genuine maricles like the paralyzed getting up and walking. They claim a little sore or a swollen gland going away is a maricle, no it is not.


Then theres the saying "I had a tumor and God removed it". "The Drs gave me a second scan and the tumor is gone". That is because the stupid Drs misread the scans in the first place. I had a so called tumor in 2003 but all it was, was a lump of fat that the stupid Drs misread calling it a Lipoma.


Now I don't agree with everything my uncle says. But I do beleive him when he went to Africa and saw maricles as he prayer over them like visible Golf Ball sized tumors disapearing.

agrees that face up= rebuked

face down= before the presence of the Lord.

we see it only those two ways in scripture and they never cross sides

Yes,
carnal people crave physical miracles,,,,,,,,,,something flashy, exciting, sexy, .......like SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT

but, spiritual people crave the SPIRITUAL miracles, such as the born-again experience..........we want to see sinners-turned-into-saints

in my life,,,,,,,,i've seen almost NO physical miracles,,,,,,,,,but, i've seen many, many spiritual miracles,,,,,,,,,i have many relatives, friends, neighbors who love the Lord Jesus, love, righteousness, bible, preacher, church, etc,,,,,,,,,,,and all these people/saints are VERY FASCINATING, BLATANT SPIRITUAL MIRACLES!

PRAISE GOD FOR HIS MIRACLES!

where would we be?, without the born-agin experience?............we would be walking in darkness, sin, bitterness, etc,,,,,,,,just like the world

Thank God!........Thank God!........that we are born-again!

spiritual miracles are a far greater display of God's Power and Love than physical miracles

I don't think I was really craving a physical mirical. I just went up for prayer. The preacher has been doing a series on prayer and asked people who wanted prayer to go up for prayer. I'm one of those people who need a lot of prayer. I wanted to ask for prayer to become what my parents in faith had named me - my name means listening prayer - that will probably take a spiritual miricle. Anyway I described what happened before. So I'm trying to understand it - at the time I didn't want to make a big issue of being pushed and so went with the flow. Maybe the preacher isn't right indoing this and he has his insucurities but he was praying at the same time and for all his mistakes God can work through him. I find his church a very freindly church and am trying to understand whats going on. My DW says she had a vision when I was laying on my back of these tenticle wrapped round me and the tenticles were being unwrapped. Praise God if he is doing that.

I have never been "slain" before but I have had other manifestations or affects physically upon me. I actually was an official catcher for a year at a major international revival in the USA here in 1999. I would often feel a surge of power shoot through me and then the person would look like they were hit by it (right on time) and then usually they would fall down. This validated a lot of the phenomena in my view. They had no way of seeing me "manifest" when this would happen either, since I was safely behind them in position to catch them. Sometimes I would feel something fly down onto them before they would fall. It is hard to explain the various feelings but it was a "good" feeling. Other times I would never feel a thing and the people would fall, colapse, get "shocked," etc. Around 80% of the time, the people receiving prayer would not fall or anything else noticeable. Sometimes there was a very gentle, emotional thing happening with the person getting prayer.

One time I was talking to a friend and one of the leaders of the revival walked by praying for people. I was in the last row pew, not at all seeking to be prayed for. The leader lightly touched my back with his finger and prayed "Fire!" Immediatlely I felt a slowly spreading "fire" sort of feeling spreading from that spot he touched and dissipating throughout my body to my finger tips and toes. It was interesting. It felt good. I did not fall or do anything outwardly noticeable.

I have seen some very interesting things happen at the revival. Once I saw a man who had to be 350 pounds get "touched." It was after a powerful soul winning service during the prayer time. He was shaking all over and sweating profusely (it was very hot in there too). A leader there reached for him and said "Fire!" Mind you, the man had his eyes tightly shut. The man was in a large compressed crowd of all sorts of people moving around. The man was not actually touched. The praying minister's hand was about three feet away when he prayed "Fire!" The heavy guy literally flew up off of the ground and hit the wall behind him and collapsed. He was on the ground, overwhelmed, weeping and speaking in tongues with many hot tears as he was seemingly uncontrollably moving around. The moving was nothing dramatic like the initial surge of power that hit him. But at any rate, I was impressed by this seeing that there is no way he could have faked any of that in my book. He seemed genuinely to be experiencing something deep and real in his heart with God.

I have a close friend who went there with me for 4 years also. One time when we were standing in line in the hot Florida sun all day while waiting in line for the revival that night, we met a woman from California who was a Wicca. She said that she was born and raised in the Craft. She also looked very "gothic" in her clothing style and makeup. She said that she was tormented by demons in her mind so much that she had planned on commiting suicide. A friend from her work actually gave her a bus ticket to the Revival if she would go to it before commiting suicide if she still wanted to. The woman took the ticket and came. At the revival, she squirmed in her seat the whole time the evangelsist preached a serious message about repentance and salvation. The woman sat seemingly unmoved and would not respond to the altar call to repentance and come forward to pray.

Afterwards, during the prayer time, she told my friend to keep the evangelist ("that man") away from her. She also admitted that she prayed for God to save her even though she was not very confident that anything would happen. While she was chatting with my friend, she did not notice that the evangelsist came up behind her in the aisle and was praying for people. People were falling down and other things as was usual that year in the revival (1997). He touched the witch in her back and yelled "Holy Ghost!" She flew forward onto the ground and began weeping on the floor. She laid there weeping for about a half an hour before she got back up and asked to pray with my friend more. Her black gothic makeup had streamed all down her face. It was a beautiful sight. The next day I did not even recognize her. She had on a white "Yes Lord" T shirt on instead of the black gothic outfit. She was raising her hands and worshipping God during the song service. She was baptized the next Friday. She stayed there in Florida attending revival meetings for about a month afterward before returning back to California too.

About 23 years ago, I attended a kind of a pentecostal worship service.

What I remember is that the man that was the "pastor" (Im using that term loosely with this guy),
seemed more like a used car salesman to me, but he seemed to know the lingo and talked fast rattling off scriptures.

In the middle of the service, he and a couple of others went around to the people and began to push them on their foreheads and, I was amazed to see these people falling down backward as he did this to them!

He came to where I was sitting and, at the time I was 23 and had only known the Lord about 4 yrs.
I was waiting for him to push my forhead and I would see why these people were falling down like they were.....

Well, he came to me and rattled some words off and pushed my forehead,,, I just stood there kinda of waiting for something to happen and it didnt, he said something like "you've got to submit to the spirit"..

Which spirit was that??

Matthew 24:24
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

2 Thessalonians 2:9
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

What I firmly believe with these cases of "slain in the spirit", is that there is just what another poster said there was, A rush of adrenalin perhaps or being caught up in the high of the emotional moment.

Slain in the spirit is not found in the Word of God, just as "holy laughter" and "barking in the spirit" (I personally can teven believe that this is one that has to be refuted), Im almost LOL over that one!!!
There are quite a few manifestations of the evil one that are brought to people by an angel of light, as they seem very real to many.

Why are so many looking for signs? Doesnt Jesus say that a wicked ond adulterous generation seeks a sign??

Blessings in Christ,
Chris

So do you guys think that sometimes this might be of God but sometimes it might be of man or of the Devil?

It is always one of three possibilities or a combination

1.This behavior can be faked by those who practice it and for many reasons

2.It can be induced into the followers by those who preach it

3.It can have a related demonic infestation and often does

Genuine spiritual infilling by the Lord's Holy Spirit is never accompanied by this type of outward sensual behavior

So it is always something else

You will not find it practiced by believers in the scriptures

I would suggest that you not engage in this activity if you do

The environments and conditions that condone it are not healthy and often are the repository of false teaching including diversion from a true relationship with Jesus Christ

True salvation experience is not accompanied by or dependent upon outward sensual gratifications

I'm going to pray about this and do some further research... I wonder if those who think that this is "carnal" would think it was carnal, or spiritual, to want to be close to the Lord, so close that you lose all sense of yourself and are overwhelmed by His peace and His love and wanting to worship Him???
I would argue that it is of the spirit, but I want to look into this further.

A couple of weeks ago I went up for prayer, didn't feel the need or prompting to fall, but had a wonderful time of prayer and closeness to God, where I felt recharged and healed and more focused / positive about my Christian walk.

I find myself wondering if it is carnal to want closeness to God, after all, that is what Adam and Eve would have had... they actually walked with him in the garden, how awesome that would have been. Then Abraham met with God at Mamre.... and Moses almost beheld the Lord (not quite as he had to not look upon the Lord directly or he would die). So these faith filled men had real encounters with God. Then Paul had the life changing encounter with God on the way to Damascus. All these encounters were in the flesh but they were also spiritual encounters... so is it really carnal to have this desire to be with God and to experience Him?

Just wondering! This is what is going through my mind but I am open to discussion, love to you all x BTW It will be amazing when we behold the Lord face to face in heaven, but seeing as the kingdom of heaven now is, is it possible that the Lord will at times reveal Himself in a great measure to those who earnestly seek Him? Of course we need to be careful and not be decieved by the enemy... we need to pray for guidance and protection from the evil one.
Just thinking....

Thats interesting the witch got thrown forwards like some of the guys up higher were saying. And from your story's she seems to have the most radical change

BTW I was not seeking any sensual experience. It was not on my mind - nor did I have one. I was up for prayer and I was worshipping God. My personal praying in toungues in my spirit was just something I happened to be doing before, during and after being pushed. Praying in toungues means the Holy Spirit can pray through me when I don't know what to pray. I submitted to the guy pushing me (like turning the other cheek) not to any spirit in him unless that Spirit is the Holy Spirit in which case I welcome his infilling (I was consiece this was why I continued praying in toungues after being pushed). My praying in toungues allows me to leave this to God whom I was trusting and had been worshippng when I got pushed. When I say I was mildly amused I am not saying I was having some outburst of "Holy Laughter" just a mild amused kind of chuckle to myself of the strange stuff that goes on in churches sometimes. I would like to clarrify I did not do any barking, mooing or anything else. Just layback for a while and had a quite rest.

1 COR 13

LOVE is better than physical manifestations

helping the poor is better than falling down

feeding the hungry is better than show-biz antics

sending bibles to the bible-less is better than flashy, physical miracles of dubious origin


i'm not against SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT if it's from our Lord...........but, this thread proves that we can't get a consensus about it

why doesn't the bible tell us more about such things?

the bible speaks very clearly about helping the poor, feeding the hungry, preaching the gospel, etc..........let's read the bible and do what it says

ListeningPrayer :


I researched for you some very important Old/New Testament understandings, in this area :


Blessings . . . You may not want to read all 195 references, however, they lay a foundation
for your questions . . . to be answered not in man's opinion, in scriptural context !

Have a Blessed Day !



http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/tran...;t=DBY&sf=5

(in AND the AND spirit)
occurs in 195 verses in the DBY



1. (Gen 41:8 - 2Ch 18:22)

2. (2Ch 20:14 - Isa 59:19)

3. (Isa 59:21 - Zec 13:2)

4. (Mat 1:20 - Act 1:8)

5. (Act 2:17 - Rom 8:11)

6. (Rom 8:23 - 2Cr 6:6)

7. (2Cr 7:13 - 2Th 2:13)

8. (1Ti 3:16 - Rev 21:10)







Luk 2:25 And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon; and this man was just and pious, awaiting the consolation of Israel, and [the] Holy Spirit was upon him.


Luk 2:26 And it was divinely communicated to him by the Holy Spirit, that he should not see death before he should see [the] Lord's Christ.


Luk 2:27 And he came in the Spirit into the temple; and as the parents brought in the child Jesus that they might do for him according to the custom of the law,

Thanks for input on this thread Dennis mann. All those things you mention are of foremost importance, I'm guess really my interest in this is because people are lying down in prayer lines and so for us it becomes important to have a better understanding of whats going on as I guess there is a possiblity that we may commit ourselves to serving Christ with this church. Until this last sunday I hadn't taken a lot of notice of it - hadn't really even particularly noticed this was happening.

Thanks everyone else who has shared there experience or offered their thoughts or advice. I'm sure we are all seeking to serve Christ the best we are able too. Blessings littlefaith. Whoops thats listening prayer I mean

If you are "against" people falling down and what not, you will remain that way no matter what anyone can say.

The same goes for me in regarding believing in things like that (some of the time). I do think it is silly and fruitless for so many Christians to give so many "courtesy falls" (as we would call fake falling at the Brownsville Revival). However, fake falling or manifesting will not hurt anyone any more than pretending to be spiritual in church does.

I have good friends that are leaders of a number of works in Kenya, Uganda and other countries. They have been doing it for 30 years. They have planted numerous churches, schools and a few small hospitals. They have numerous stories of all sorts of supernatural events. One day the head minister plans to write a book about some of the stories. I have heard these stories so many times from them and the Africans themselves that I have memorized a number of them.

They have seen the dead raised, demons cast out, numerous dramatic healings, etc. When I was there with them an entire brand new church (most of the people were saved the night before) were spontaneously baptised in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues, weeping, crying, etc. The sound of a blowing wind was even audibly heard by many people there when it started. The next day a baby was resurrected in front of the entire church after a teaching on faith in God! These and other miraculous things happened while I was there with them. But when we arrived at the states, they would not share much of these testimonies because the church is filled with doubting critics like some of the people here. These missionaries think, "If you will financially support them going out there with the gospel, they don;t have to bother you with all the true stories of the power of God manifesting." They are right also. People turn against you when they hear stories of miracles and other supernatural phenomena.

You can argue against falling on the floor and other things all you want to. But the fact is that in these third world countries these sort of things are often the norm with various missionary groups. You would not believe the stories of what witches and demon possessed people have done while having their demons cast out. You would not believe the stories of one of their pastors who converted to Jesus from being a Ugandan warlock. You would not believe those who all saw the baby being restored to life and health (from a state of death and rigor mortis). I could encourage people with so many true stories of the power of God but who would honestly have faith that God still does the impossible?

"“Look among the nations, and see;
wonder and be astounded.
For I am doing a work in your days
that you would not believe if told."

Habakkuk 1:5.

i heard one man say that many phys miracles occur in Africa,,,,,,,,,and few phys miracles occur in USA

another man said:
Christians in Africa are extremely interested in PROSPERITY GOSPEL

and i've heard that many in Africa are converting to Christ in recent years

so, my question is:
what is the condition of this "christianity" in Africa?............is it of God, or of satan?..........i don't know

i know that many "christians" in USA look fake to me

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Africa is beign converted to Christ and also to radical Islam more recently. Africa is like another planet compared to America so it is impossible to describe all of Africa in a simplified way. Each nation is very different there. But the facts are that in the last generation, larg portions of the poplulation have been converted to Christianity, and the pentecostal/charasmatic sort at that.

It is so sad that the prosperity "gospel" has infiltrated many of these Christians also. I know that the missionaries I know teach the Bible and teach against this harmful, false prosperity "gospel." They hate hearing about these American TV ministers going over there and asking for money. Many of these people don't own much of anything. But so many of them are needy, malnourished and not very educated. They are easy targets for those who would prey upon them in this area. In Uganda, there are so many orphans and refugees. If these prosperity preachers were serious than they would provide food, clothes, shelter, education, security and medical care (not to mention that missionaries ought to be walking in the power of God to heal a lot more) for these needy people. They don't need to hear that God "wants them to be rich." They need to hear about the real JESUS and that is all they need to know right now!

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Many are false miracle workers. I would submit that some of these prosperity teachers are such. But where do you get that ALL workers of miracles are suspect? Jesus did not ever say that all miracle workers were false prophets and teachers. To the contrary. It is not difficult for a spiritually discerning person to recognize a false gospel when they hear it. Having the power to heal and work miracles does not automatically make someone false.

I led a man to the Lord in a laundrymat in Pensacola one time. After he prayed to Jesus to forgive him and become his new Lord, I told him that God wants to heal him as a part of the deal. My friend and I laid hands on him and asked Jesus to heal him from stage 4 cancer. I felt the power of God come down on him. I don't know if he felt anything at all or not. But 2 weeks later he told us that the doctor gave him a clean bill of health! No TV cameras. No "begging for money" letters being sent out with this story and my big smiley picture. No one even knew but us and anyone we happened to tell.

Am I now suspect of being a false teacher?

I worked at a bank as a teller before. I was taught to watch out for fraudulent cash. The only way to really spot it was to be familiar with the real thing. If I followed your line of reasoning, I would never have accepted any real money because I would be too worried that everything was fake money! You have to have faith and not be so scared of power. God's power is infinitely greater than any demonic counterfeit.

No Listening,

I don't mean that at all. I have never fallen back due to a double portion of the Holy Spirit coming upon me.

Indeed, the Holy Spirit has always been with me since I've been saved; a double portion is best described as God equipping His people to stand and walk. I recall a time in Israel when I was traveling alone. The Lord first told me some bad news which I wasn't that thrilled about. That was at the beginning of my flight there.
Then He equipped me to deal with it so I would walk in the Spirit and deal with the hardship that He put upon my heart.

I got a free upgrade to business class. I got a tour of the plane by the flight attendant. When we landed, Israeli security checked and double checked every bag that entered the country, but the armed guard told me welcome and to take my bags and walk right by. In fact, he insisted which gave me pause.

The moment I walked off the plane, I felt light and the Spirit started to show me where to go. It led me to people who drove me around and showed me what I needed to see. It made my itinerary easy and light because it wanted me to concentrate on seeing and hearing so I could learn. It confounded my enemies and enabled my friends. I felt light nimble, without stress etc.... in spite of a few very stressful things that happened. It helped me to deal with moments of grief, times of stress, but more than anything, it opens up the Scriptures so they become alive.

Walking in the Spirit means, you may really have to turn the other cheek, but the Spirit will enable you and it will be easy. It means, you may face opposition, but rather than fighting back, you dust off your feet and move along. It means, you may face evil but rather than getting all worked up about it, you say a little silent prayer and then God moves and takes care of everything.

It means, you are a witness and you let God work and you walk and stand. You let the Spirit move and take over, then your reactions to situations will not be as you thought they would be. Indeed, you may not understand how Biblical your response to a situation was until later when God reveals to you through His Word/Scriptures, that you did exactly what you were supposed to do. Indeed, you don't worry. You walk, you listen and you yield. Then God works through you. Your natural inclinations and carnal devices lose their strength and great Spiritual power works through your weakness. The Holy Spirit is so much smarter than man that it will come up with the right answer, the right direction to walk and the solution will be different than what you would have imagined or have done; yet you will think, wow, I barely escaped...yet when you read the Scriptures later, you will find you did exactly what God commanded, even in spite of your lack of knowledge...Indeed, you yourself could not have made the right conclusion because you didn't know what that conclusion was.

When you finally learn to walk in the Spirit, you know that whatever comes, He will enable you. Sometimes the second time you encounter a similar situation, you will chuckle instead of get uneasy. That means you are getting more like God, laughing at your enemies. Not that you wish them harm, but realizing that the devil will test you a second time in the same manner to see what you have learned.

The first time you do it by faith,,,,"Jesus help me"...the second time you do it by faith plus knowledge...
so the second time it's "Jesus help me" plus...oh yeah...heheheh...I've seen this trick before and it almost becomes a bit humourous because God's Word is so accurate as to what the enemy will do that you find humor in it's innerrant accuracy....

Nonetheless, at the end of the day, there is always a short time of sorrow. Because, even with understanding and sight, you know that most don't hear and don't see....so have a moment of sadness. A short time of prayer. You ask Him to lift you up and take away your grief. He then, as always, responds, takes away your burden and gives you more infilling of the Spirit....mixing joy in with your hardship, so you can pick up your cross the next morning and stand and walk.

That's what I mean. He tells you where to go. When to go. What route to take.
Paul yielded to the Spirit. He always knew when the Lord was ready to send Him elsewhere. He may have asked to question 100 times, What now Lord? And when the Lord was ready to reveal it, it was revealed, it was known and Paul stood up, put on his mantle and walked.

That is walking in the Spirit. Walking by faith, not by sight and that, takes a double portion.

Just a friendly reminder.

The Holy Spirit is a person called a "He" by Jesus. The Holy Spirit is not an "it."

Elisha's "double portion" was cultural term for the blessing reserved for the firstborn son as opposed to the other sons. It was no literally "double." It just meant that the blessing on the firstborn was bigger and better than all the blessings for the other siblings. The firstborn was a special role in the family. The blessing and inheritance given to this son was supposed to be distictly better than that given to the others. That is all that it meant. Elisha was like Elijah's spiritual son in a sense. That is why he asked for a double portion of his spirit. Elisha knew that Elijah was going to leave very soon and not come back. He wanted to be blessed with his spiritual inheritance from Elijah. That was his double portion. That is all that this meant.

Hello Adam :



The Hebrew word used to denominate God in Genesis is Elohim. This
word is a plural formed from the feminine singular ALH (Eloh) by
adding IM to it. Since IM is the termination of the masculine plural,
added to a feminine noun it makes ELOHIM a female potency united to a
male principle, and thus capable of having an offspring. We are told that the Holy Spirit
is essentially masculine, but
the Hebrew word used in the Scriptures to denote spirit is Ruach, a
feminine noun. The Holy Spirit is really the Mother, and thus the
Christian Trinity properly translated should be Father, Son and
Mother.