John 12:37 But though He had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on Him:

12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, "Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?"

12:39 Therefore they COULD NOT believe, because that Esaias said again,

12:40 "He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them."

Why wouldn't God want them healed? Why blind someone so they couldn't see His truth? Notice it isn't that they didn't want to believe but....they COULD NOT BELIEVE.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, but that ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE.

Does that mean just "all" of God's chosen or does "all" mean He wants all of mankind to come to repentance? Although Peter is addressing the "beloved" I believe God would be most happy if all was...all of mankind. So, we still have the question....why would God purposely blind men to the truth?

2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and overcome, THE LATTER END IS WORSE WITH THEM THAN THE BEGINNING.

It is done for their protection. He blinds some out of love. He knows who will and will not make it through the end of days and for that reason only one of the elect will be delivered up for a testimony. [Mark 13:9-11] Only one of the elect can commit the unforgiveable sin....all others are protected. The others may not be of the "first resurrection" [Rev.20:6] but neither will they be in an unforgiveable state.


The question is then....Are we one of the elect? Is the reason others don't seem to understand us because they are blinded? Or....is the reason because we are blinded to what they say?

Very brave question, WW!

Yes it is! Anyone else need some glasses and a cane?

Proverbs 26:11


King James Bible
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant of this mystery, lest ye be wise in your own conceits,
that a hardening in part hath befallen Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in;

Rom 11:30 For as ye in time past were disobedient to God, but now have obtained mercy by their disobedience,
Rom 11:31 even so have these also now been disobedient, that by the mercy shown to you they also may now obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath shut up all unto disobedience, that he might have mercy upon all.


Pretty much it! (At least in my thinking )

As blind (and deaf) as I am I can still "see" Christ shall save all. But many including some Christians don't think so.

Funny thing is it was the Catholic Church that popularized visions of people burning forever in hell

John 9
1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

4I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

6When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,

7And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

8The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged?

9Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.

10Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened?

11He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.

12Then said they unto him, Where is he? He said, I know not.

13They brought to the Pharisees him that aforetime was blind.

14And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.

15Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see.

16Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

17They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet.

18But they did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight.

19And they asked them, saying, Is this your son, who ye say was born blind? how then doth he now see?

20His parents answered them and said, We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind:

21But by what means he now seeth, we know not; or who hath opened his eyes, we know not: he is of age; ask him: he shall speak for himself.

22These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for they had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

23Therefore said his parents, He is of age; ask him.

24Then again called they the man that was blind, and said unto him, Give God the praise: we know that this man is a sinner.

25He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.

26Then said they to him again, What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes?

27He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?

28Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses' disciples.

29We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is.

30The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvellous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes.

31Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

32Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.

33If this man were not of God, he could do nothing.

34They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.

35Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

36He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?

37And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

38And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

39And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

40And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?

41Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.











Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumbling-block before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:4



For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...st&p=208894


Romans 11:15




And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
John 9:39



Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
Luke 7:22





http://www.zeitun-eg.org/mirac14.htm

All the knowledge and all the wisdom in the entire world does noone any benefit if you're the only one who thinks you have it because others are blind. Start with a new and fresh "agenda" rather than one that makes you superior and anyone else who does not believe as you is blind. The passages in the OP were to do with Yahshua. So I would trade in my entire life and all that I've gained be it wisdom, knowledge, or goods for having the blessed gift from the Father for knowing His Son, He is what matters in that Bible and in this world and without Him we are all empty vessels.

And as a side note...there are differences of being blind. And there is also a difference to being blind and being deceived. When a deceptive seed is planted and begins to grow with the truth, the result becomes as Yahshua said in the parable of the sower.

Then I am doing something wrong...
Without Him I would be full of flesh,
but with Him I am an empty vessel,
that made room for Him to rule.

~


You are blind to what they say and you won't truly know the difference until you are forced away from the dieing beasts table.

God does not want anything because He creates everything and keeps it going. It is all under His control, all the time.



Romans 9
21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,







~

Well to a certain extent...however without Him inside of me, for example, I am nothing but flesh which as you say is full of flesh, but what is flesh without Him? Emptiness, a desolate place, a place where other spirits and demons may make their abode. Now does that make more sense? You aren't doing anything wrong that I can read and see and I understand what you mean as well. The "me" without Him is full, it is when I deny the "me" that the "me" makes room for Him to increase inside me and perform His will

Sorry if you misunderstood!

I am blind to what? Who is "they" and what are "they saying?" I won't understand the difference in what? Who is the "dying beasts table?" Why are you telling me I am blind...did I tell you that you were? If I am please guide me by explaining what the blindness is in reference to.





Okay....what does that have to do with this post?

Why thank you Selah for your words of wisdom. May I ask why you stated...."you're the only one who thinks you have it because others are blind?" If that is what you read in my post then you need to read it again. Before correcting others and telling them what YOU think they need to do, which by the way....is a very superior action for you to take, perhaps it would be better for you to keep those thoughts to yourself. Should we not follow the Spirit and His "agenda" rather than yours or mine ?

As a side note.....Deception is running rampant and there are many that have no clue what the parable of the sower is saying...but, they think they do!

That's not even what I stated. Do you have an issue reading WW? The entire sentence I wrote is:
"All the knowledge and all the wisdom in the entire world does noone any benefit if you're the only one who thinks you have it because others are blind."

It has to do with the general "you" and "you're" and it means that even if "I" or "you" or "some other" has all this knowledge, what benefit does it have if the "I" or "you" or "some other" is the only one who has it? Meaning this; let's say I have some revelation which I firmly believe is given to me by the Lord Yahshua, but it's not something that he's given many other believers (although He is no respector of persons) so I go out and proclaim it to the world and yet noone can understand me because what I'm sharing goes against the grain of what most have been taught-so tell me, what benefit does that have? The benefit would only be for the one given the "revelation" and thus they would only be proclaiming it to get their own glory, not to bring glory to the LORD.

You definitely run around this forum proclaiming "secrets" and "keys" and when you are opposed, you immediately say something to the effect of "you are just not there yet" or "you are blind to this" and now you make an entire thread about "Am I blind or...are you blind"? So let me ask YOU, who is the "you" in the topic? Is it me, because I do not see what you see in the garden of eden? Is it IAMlives, because she does not see what you see either? Is is Stephen, Patmos, Josepha? Let's narrow it down...you (Judi) and NM and possibly Jeff (I'm not sure because he's never real clear) are the only members who believe that Eve had sex with the serpent and together they produced Cain. So are we all blind except for you and the other two? Let's get this out in the open and be honest. Can you atleast do that?





Do you think we all as believers are not aware that deception is running rampant and infact was working as Apostle Paul stated even then? And who are the "many" that have no clue what the parable of the sower is saying"? Why would we not know? We have the ENTIRE Bible and where Yahshua spoke to the masses in parables, He then turned to the disciples and EXPLAINED the parable-which is clealry WRITTEN in the Bible we ALL read today. We need not add anything "mysterious" to what Yahshua explains, we are the reader(s) and we are given the meaning of the parable(s). You however claim something totally different, which actually makes an entire new doctrine-you are taking His parable and His explaination of that parable and adding what you have evidentally been taught by a MAN. Yahshua would not teach what you preach and He did NOT teach what you preach and therefore when an avid Bible reader, such as myself comes along and see's one, such as yourself, adding to and taking away and twisting the Scriptures to suit your own imagination, you can be darn sure I am going to test you and try you as we are told and forewarned:

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

And here is one specifically for you Judi:
1 Corinthians 3:18
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

So you need to humble yourself and stop thinking you know it all and have secrets and keys that others don't have, we also are believers and are all given the greatest gift of all, which is the sacrifice and offering of the only begotten Son of God-Jesus Christ, He is all I want in earth and all I need in Heaven, the rest is all counted as dung. And as wise Solomon once said:

Ecclesiastes 2:12
And I turned myself to behold wisdom, and madness, and folly: for what can the man do that cometh after the king? even that which hath been already done.

Ecclesiastes 10:13
The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is mischievous madness.

Revelation 22
[18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
[20] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Selah....Of course it was what you stated...it was a quote. You can't just write anything and then say...oh, but it doesn't apply to you. It was a very pointed statement...as all of yours are.





Because something "goes against the grain" makes it wrong? Because "most" others haven't heard it makes it wrong?





The post has nothing to do with that. When I explain, with scripture, what I am teaching and someone doesn't understand...what would you have me say? You're an idiot or...you're just not there yet. Take your choice.





I'm honest in everything I do including in what I teach. The post has nothing to do with the garden of Eden. Please reread it with less vitriol in your spirit and you might actually understand what is written.





That is my point. He clearly explained it and yet many don't understand. The sad ones are those that not only don't understand but...WON'T understand.





Then be happy.

Luke 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.


Its obvious who has the ability and who doesnt........If you hold keys to knowledge Selah then just about every christian does,,,,most christians believe 90% of your doctrine problem is when we look at the church of philly and smyrna they dont teach what you teach.........

Um..no, what I stated was a full understandable sentence, what you quoted was only part of my sentence. And it applies to anyone! Me, you and any others. When I directed toward you was when I said the OP and the Scriptures you used were to do with the blindness of the Jews-until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. If someone is blind today, then it is their own doing, or possibly a deception seed that has entered their mind and clouded their perception of the truth, which is written.




What you teach and preach goes aginst the truth, what you preach regarding the incident in the garden is not written. You have taken what is clear and changed it. The Scripture passage states:

Genesis 4:1
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Adam knew Eve and she conceived by their "knowing" oneanother and the result of that conception was Cain and then she thanked the LORD, by saying "I have gotten a man from the LORD" How do you get that she slept with the serpent out of that passage without changing what is written? I've asked this so many times and each and every time you dodge the question. Will you dodge it this time? Is that how you defend what you preach and teach, is avoid a stedfast believer? Tell me and anyone else in this forum how you get that Cain is the offspring of the serpent.




Either way, you are still claiming that anyone who does not believe as you do is beneath you, or blinded or not there yet, which ultimately is saying that you are superior or they are an idiot, not to mention you've already called me worse names than that, because I abide in what is written-as we are commanded to-and you have gone outside the word and then use phrases such as "The Holy Spirit teaches me" so then if that is the case, then what are you alluding to is teaching me or another who is taught opposition to what you are preaching? There is one Spirit, who leads every believer into truth and the truth is the entire incident in the garden was disobedience, it is our lesson for today, yeserday and tomorrow. God is one and He changes not. If the serpent had slept with Eve and Cain was the result then Gensis 4:1 is a lie, so who should I believe, you or Moses who was led by Yahweh?






I do not doubt your honesty in what you teach, I believe you are honestly deceived to believe what you teach and have hardened your heart to the pureness of the written Word which is truth, you see something else when you read the Bible because deception has clouded your view of the Truth. This post fo yours has EVERYTHING to do with the garden of eden, because it is that very place where you have a different account than most others have.





You believe the devil has literal genetic offspring, by having sex with Eve-Adam's wife. So you have justified what you believe with the parable of the sower. Yet that is NOT what is written, nor is it sound doctrine because it does not line up with the entire Bible as a "whole". We are children of the kingdom when the seed (which is the Word) is planted inside of us on 'good solid ground' and it grows within us to become "the kingdom of heaven within" Why? Because we believe His Word and the testimony given by the eye-witnesses to His ministry, walk, crucifixion, resurrection, ascension. We believe what is written in that Holy Bible. But that is not to say that we may fall into deceptions which are sowed by the enemy, those are the seeds that he planted in the world which also grow together with truth, but are NOT truth at all, however those seeds can prevent a person from believing the truth in many ways-as the parable of the sower states, depending upon how the seed of truth falls within or without us. Nothing to do with lineages whatsoever, if it were that easy, then why are we told this:

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

We do not wrestle with genetics or lineages-which are flesh and blood. So even that passage above refutes what you believe regarding Cain and the serpent.




Happy because you are deceived? No, I'm not happy at all. And I'm more disturbed by your refusal to even test what it is that you avidly defend, when so many sound and grounded members in this forum are telling you otherwise and contrary to what you preach.

I didn't read your post and won't. Your attitude just makes me lose my temper and I don't want to do that. Believe whatever you want, whenever you want and however you want. Be happy!

Selah this post is horrible,,,,why dont you know how to divide the word??????

You satrt of talking about the parable of the sower but you mix it into the parable given before....

Here look:::::::::::

See this is one parable starts :::

18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

and this is a another one :::::

24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Why are you trying to combine the two???,,,,,and for your information in the word "seed" is "Sperma.....here in the Greek......

You totally just through the whole chapter together........

Not to mention Christ gave you the answer to the parable

Matthew 13:38 "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;"

Noew you can try and chang it,,,but Christ himself said Children,,,do I need to give you the definition of Children????????????????????????????

A lot of people on the forum believe what WW believes.

They just don't show up for all of the debates.

How predictable is this. Everytime I address WW and she dodges as she has done once again, along comes NM. That's because it's only the two of you who believe the same.





OK. Let's go over this once again...You say the word seed means "Sperma" then how do you explain this passage:


Luke 8:11
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

And this one:

Matthew 13:23
But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

And this one:

Matthew 13:22
He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

And this one:

Matthew 13:20
But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

And this one:

Matthew 13:24
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

And most importantly, this one:

Matthew 13:37
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

So if we are to determine that the word "seed" means "sprema" as in literal male sperm/genetic/procreation, then how do you answer that Yahshua say's the seed is the Word and He that sowed the good seed is The Son of Man, yet the Son of Man never had "relations" therefore He does NOT have literal offspring, you do not even grasp the dangerous deception you believe and teach and adhere to at all. Talk about not rightly dividing the Word of God, you do no such thing. You make 'seed mean 'sperm' in the passage that deals with the "wicked one" or the "devil" so you can justify what you believe happened in the garden between the serpent and Eve.

So will you also dodge the above passages?

Like researcher said there is more,,,I could name names but I wont......

I dont dodge questions I will be like I dont know or give the correct answer......I dont think WW is dodging you either,,,,you think because someones doesnt want to hear you mix the word up and show you ignorance there dodging you?????

I for one find it funny that someone with your lack of the languages is trying to explain them.....lol

Matthew 13:37 "He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;"

Now keep in mind that this man had good seed and He went out and sowed that seed in a good field, well prepared. The "Son of man" has to do with the Greek expression, "God in flesh". Another words, God sowed the good seed.

Christ was to be born and save us all,,,,He would sow the word of thruth in our hearts and minds......

Matthew 13:38 "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;"

But before Christos could be born the devil tried to stop him,,,,,He enpregnated eve to stop Christ and he made evil Children (cain/kenites/tares)

See your problem is again is,,,you think your logic overrides the words of the writers,,,,it doesnt....your l and I covered these things years ago,,,, your late to the party.....

You think that Greek writers only have one word for seed?????????????????????????????

Well they have many.......

You wanna say they use fruit seed/mental seed for everything,,,they dont........

And your ignorance is so bliss it makes WW mad sometimes,,,,I for one can care less.......

Christ told you learn the parable of the fig tree,,,I see you havent......Please tell me why Eve covered her private parts if she at literal fruit????????

I remembered that several months ago I had written a post about blindness…..I add it here as it has bearing on this post.

Mark 10:46 And they came to Jericho: and as he went out of Jericho with His disciples and a great number of people, blind Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus, sat by the highway side begging.

10:47. And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out, and say, "Jesus, Thou Son of David, have mercy on me."

10:48. And many charged him that he should hold his peace: but he cried the more a great deal, "Thou Son of David, have mercy on me."

10:49. And Jesus stood still, and commanded him to be called. And they call the blind man, saying unto him, "Be of good comfort, rise; he calleth thee."

10:50. And he, casting away his garment, rose, and came to Jesus.

10:51. And Jesus answered and said unto him, "What wilt thou that I should do unto thee?" The blind man said unto Him, "Lord, that I might receive my sight."

10:52. And Jesus said unto him, "go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole." And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.

The beggar had been told about Christ and the miraculous healing He performed. Bartimaeus wanted to be healed and called to Him for help but those around him, unbelievers in the world today, just wanted him to be quiet. But....he cried out even louder. Jesus, the Son of God, among a great crowd, stopped and stood still for a blind beggar and....He commanded him to be called! Jesus called Bartimaeus...as He calls us.


Bartimaeus rose and "casting away his garment" came to Jesus. Why? I believe the garment represents our "old man" that must be thrown off before we "might receive my sight." When we receive our spiritual sight we, as Bartimaeus...follow Jesus in the way.

He calls and we follow...if we are not blinded by or entangled in our old natures, our old garments.

Whirlwind :

Here is an excerpt of the message, I was given . . . about Garments of Light :





@07:17 a.m.@7-25-2008, Fri.

EXCERPT, about the 'Garment of Light'


http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...ic=22517&hl
Difference Between Paul(seer) From Earth Views 3rd, Heaven & Paradise versus `Hell to Paradise Gulf`void






3rd heaven and/or Paradise
deceased of the garment of light
death, cannot be seized by
the evil spirit. They are protected ( note, this is open space )
however, Dark deceased, in Pergatory
can be accessed by evil spirit's
and these dark human's without garment of light
who are deceased, are
in Pergatory, suspect to
being used for
Hauntings via the
evil spirit who can
"mimic" the former
deceased human.

The angelic assistance
of Lazarus being carried to
bosom of Abraham, provides
proof that Hauntings
cannot be of the
"garment of Light" human, deceased parties.

Only dark human deceased without garments of Light
in Pergatory, can be seized
via evil spirit to mimic
Hauntings. The dark are not
protected deceased.
Hitler, would be a dark.
A child murderer would be a
dark, as an example of leaving
earth without the garment of Light.

Transformation through activating
garment of Light through Christ
blood, is atonement covering.
Like Lazarus carried by
angels to bosom of
Abraham, both Lazarus &
Abraham were in
Paradise realm of Heaven.

The visionary gift of
`SEERS` to access the
garment of Light
deceased is a Non-
selfish anointed Action.

The "Action" is allowed,
The necromancing is
denied, the
Living Family member's of
the garment of Light
deceased are assisted
with the word of
knowledge, `SEERS`
have been endowed
to provide.

Honor the life code rules.
Disengage in necromancy, Ouiji
Board parlor games.
The Life Code is not a game.

Mediums, versus "garment
of Light" Visionary
disciples are two
separate titles.

Disengage the term
mediumship. This word
applies to necromancy.

`SEERS` are a disciple of
the garment of Light, who
with Holy Ghost uses
their gift of visions, as
a Word of
Knowledge, For the
families of the
garment of Light deceased.

Enact the proper speech
with reference to the
gift title. The former is former.
The Present July 25, 2008
revelation is anointed
via the Word of God (IHVH)
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Judi, I am sorry for making you feel that way. I honest to goodness do not want to make someone feel that way. I do struggle with the best way to present my words or His words and I've found myself many times upsetting people and that is not what I desire at all. I want to learn from you and I desire more that anything to spend eternity with you in His kingdom, in a place where both you and I are no longer divided by little deceptions or big deceptions, I know one thing Judi, I have been far more deceived than you can possibly imagine and at that time in my life I look back and think, why did noone help me? So I guess that's where my passion sort of stems from? One thing is certain, I was set free of that and I know there are more things to go, little by little and I hope and I pray that you and I can work through these trying and difficult times together, with the faith and the surety that Yahshua has that victory for us and we can get there, there isn't much of the race left to go, the finish line is almost visible...I do love you, I had a heart and kindred for you the first day I joined this forum and I pray for us both, that I can be softer and you can forgive me. I will walk through this serpent seed doctrine with you if that's what it takes.
Many Blessings and love and even if you do not choose to respond I pray that my words be received in you well.
Your sister in Messiah Yahshua Always,
Selah (M)

Too bad. It was scripture based and reasonable.


[Don't we all just hate it when people attack with scripture and logic !?]

Thank you Selah for your prayers and blessings. Your words are well received and I feel such relief. As I said from the beginning understanding the serpent seed isn't a matter of salvation. I think that once it is understood other scripture becomes clearer but....we can agree to disagree on this. I can't not teach it because it is true, it is there, it is His Word. As strongly as you don't believe it....I do believe it.

Thank you so much for your words Selah. Please forgive my rudeness to you.


Judi

BLIND?? 'me' thinks that anyone that reads Ex. 20's 7th Day Blessed, Sanctified & Set aside for Holy use Sabbath, and then applies it an Eternal heavenly rest for which even the stranger that is within thy gates, + ALL the rest of the 4th Commandment verse.. AND EVEN THE ANIMALS WITHIN THY GATES ?? has a screw loose somewhere between the 'seat' of intellegence!?? (Blind is tooooo good a Word for them! try 2 Cor. 4:2)

--Elijah