Marx was a German of Jewish origin who lived much of his life in exile in France and Great Britain. He found much to object to in the prevalent political philosophy of his host countries - a philosophy then known generally as liberalism, as elaborated by such thinkers as John Locke, Adam Smith, Voltaire, and Jean-Baptiste Say. Liberals saw themselves as advocates of liberty, and by liberty they meant the right of individuals to do as they pleased with their own lives and their own property. (Today, these "liberals" would probably be called "libertarians.")

While liberalism in the modern sense of the term tends to see the freedom to live as one pleases as quite distinct from the freedom to dispose of property as one pleases, the liberals of Marx's time usually saw these freedoms as closely connected. Personal freedom, as Locke for example saw it, was nothing else than self-ownership:

[E]very Man has a Property in his own Person. This No Body has any Right to but himself. The Labour of his Body, and the Work of his Hands, we may say, are properly his. Whatsoever then he removes out of the State that Nature hath provided, and left it in, he hath mixed his Labour with, and joyned to it something that is his own, and thereby makes it his Property...
Second Treatise of Government

Or as Robert Overton, one of Locke's predecessors explained it:

To every individual in nature is given an individual property by nature, not be to invaded or usurped by any: for everyone as he is himself, so he hath a self-propriety... No man hath power over my rights and liberties, and I over no man's; I may be but an individual, enjoy myself and my self-propriety, and may write myself no more than myself, or presume any further; if I do, I am an encroacher and an invader upon another man's right.
An Arrow Against All Tyrants

Marx did not deny the close connection between personal freedom and property rights. Rather, he accepted their connection, and denounced both as manifestations of what he called "bourgeois freedom." The doctrine of the rights of man was faulty, according to Marx, because:

None of the supposed rights of man, therefore, go beyond the egoistic man, man as he is, as a member of civil society; that is, an individual separated from the community, withdrawn into himself, wholly preoccupied with his private interest and acting in accordance with his private caprice... Thus man was not liberated from religion; he received religious liberty. He was not liberated from property; he received the liberty to own property. He was not liberated from the egoism of business; he received the liberty to engage in business.
On the Jewish Question

Wow Don...I just reread this!

The night of the Election I briefly watched the returns . As I watched all I kept hearing in my Spirit was Strong Delusion. The other thing that the Lord let me see was the media link to Africa... and the camera showing Obama's family. I knew that He was telling me to take notice.

Later that evening I had to run to the store.... as I was parking the truck I heard in my spirit "The Descandants of Cush" I immediatiatly thought what in the world? Its not every day I have a thought of this nature. Needless to say that was the catlyst for the searching. I have honestly been blown away by the connections that the Lord is unfolding and how they are aligning with scripture.

Genesis 10:10
10And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

The word "kingdom" is the 1st usage of the word in the Bible.

Josephus writes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod_(Bible)

QUOTE
Now it was Nimrod who excited them to such an affront and contempt of God. He was the grandson of Ham, the son of Noah, a bold man, and of great strength of hand. He persuaded them not to ascribe it to God, as if it were through his means they were happy, but to believe that it was their own courage which procured that happiness.


Whew....so here is a connection to "New Age" / and certainly a connection to the "Oprah Church" and message she is spreading.

Yet back to Nimrod..... So the "1st Kingdom" is started by Nimrod/ which was a son of Cush. If what we read from Josephus is accurate.... he propagated what we would consider to be "New Age"

Nimrod means "We will rebel". It is evident that he was a Mighty Powerful man. Dani mentioned that he was the 1st "type" of Anti-Christ in the Bible.

After the Lord confounded their languages.... He scattered the descendents of Cush/Nimrod to Africa.

Isaiah 46 says....
10. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

So can we go back to the 1st kingdom and see similarites to the Final? Now fast forwarded today....

You have the 1st Black President of the US..... and not only this but you have the whole world looking on in Awe! I would venture to say that he is a descendent of Cush. His dad and family are certainly from Kenya.

How fitting if Obama is not just another type it would be..... that the 1st kingdom/ and the final kingdom were descendents of Cush/black.

I saw this hanging in our mall last week.

Thanks...this should be seperate from the last topic.

Eight years ago, when Clinton was still President, I had an octopus dream. To understand my dream I have to tell you something about myself, I'm a staunch anti-communist. I wasn't always that way, when I was 15 (33 years ago) I naively thought that communism sounded great, where everyone shared everything equally. So when we were asked to do a report on a system of government, I choose communism. I went to the school library and the public library and got every book on communism I could find about 15 and I read every one. What I discovered was not a utopian form of government but an evil, murderous, anti-God, anti-Christ, system of slavery, hellbent on destruction and world domination...a wolf in sheep's clothing. I read, in the communists own words how, "the end justifies the means", meaning that anything could be done to promote world communism, including; lying, cheating, stealing, murder, terrorism. I was already a Christian at that time and I thought..."that aint right". The communists instructed that when communism takes over a country, that they were to murder any intellectuals, leaders, destroy churches and their leaders. Later I learned that the communists killed more people in the 20th century than died in all the wars combined (read the black book of communism).

Anyways, back to my dream. I was in a boat filled with people and we were looking over the side of the boat and we saw an octopus like creature. I say "like" because an octopus only has 8 legs and this creature had thousands. The legs all had names on them and we were straining to see the name on the head but every time we got close to seeing it, the octopus would squirt ink and hide it's head. The tenacles starting reaching into the boat and dragging people into the sea to drown them and we could see the names on the tenacles...Russia, China and I immeadiately thought, "the head is world communism". Then we saw the names on other tentacles and they were the names of terrorists and countries that support terrorism and I thought, "that makes sense because the communist train, support financially and arm the terrorists so they can fight the capitalists by proxy. Then I started to see names on other tenacles that didn't fit in with my theory, names of businessmen, organizations and leaders that weren't communist. Why would they be connected to communism? Especially the wealthy ones who would loose everything under communism.

The next day I started researching the names I saw in my dream and I found a common link, they were all tied to satanism. I also discovered that Marx and Stalin had ties to satanism as well and I knew the head was satan himself and all the names, organizations and countries were not necessarily satanist but were being used by him. This disturbed me greatly and I went to bed thinking how can Christians and Jews survive when there are so many far-reaching tenacles? That night I had another dream, I could see the earth as if from space and God spoke to me in my dream, he said, "it is true that Satan has his army, but I also have mine". At that one soldier stood up on the earth and he had a breastplate of armor, a helmut, a shield, a sword and a spear but he was all alone. Then another soldier stood up, far away from the first but he was identically armed. And God spoke to me again and said, "You see my soldiers, they don't appear to be connected, but they have my spirit within them and when I speak, they will stand up as one man to destroy the beast". After he said that, millions of soldiers stood up as one man all around the world, in every country and continent, each was identically armed.
This bible verse comes to mind...

Ephesians 6

The Armor of God
10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.

And, concerning your dream about the soldiers, have you considered that this is more than likely a "spiritual" battle...or do you consider it to be both?

Thanks, Kim

I think communism is part of "satan's plan" to control the whole world. A plan that calls for a strong delusion, promise heaven and deliver hell. I laugh at this, for God has his own plan and he will not fail. Still satan knowing his time is short will create much havoc, as much pain and death as possible.

Ultimately spiritual but I know there are and will be physical battles.

Think of David and Goliath. It was a physical battle, was it not? Then why did David win? Not because he was physically stronger, because he was spiritually stronger. So the battle, even if physical, depends on the spiritual. Even Sun Tzu recognized this in the "Art of War".

I am thinking this:

The original Babylon occurs in Genesis 11.

The details we are given are scant, but this is what the story tells us:

Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top [may reach] unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

The motivation behind the enterprise is the fear of being scattered abroad.
Being scattered abroad would be a judgement meted out by God,
as happened to Cain, and then Canaan.

So the the motivation appears to be a desire to escape from God's Judgement,
which indicates that the people are not in a relationship with God.
The resulting enterprise is a collective one, it is a group of people
banding together to work collectively.

Josephus describes the enterprise as a tyrannical work camp,
driven by Nimrod, 'the rebel.'

So you have a group of people in rebellion against God, under a tyrant,
working as a collective, under extreme austerity......

sounds to me a bit like a Communist state.

[T]he three classes of modern society, the feudal aristocracy, the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, each have a morality of their own... [W]e can only draw the one conclusion: that men, consciously or unconsciously, derive their ethical ideas in the last resort from the practical relations on which their class position is based... We therefore reject every attempt to impose on us any moral dogma whatsoever as an eternal, ultimate and forever immutable ethical law on the pretext that the moral world, too, has its permanent principles which stand above history and the differences between nations.

Yes Marcus! This is exactly what I felt the Lord showed me.... in regards to the 1st and final Kingdom/ when I posted in Miki's thread a few weeks ago. I just was not making the connection to communism.

Yes Val....keep talking !

And Nimrod spawned Ninevah too.
So Babylon connects to Assyria.

I'm thinking Babel-on, Assyria, Egypt, Medo-Persia, Greece, (five are past)
Rome (one is)

......and one to come.

And I agree totally with you,
now we go right back to the start.

Can you remind us of this Val?

I had not thought about the 1st kingdom...... and communism, but I could certainly see a dictator type figure in Nimrod. History has painted Nimrod as a Tyrant that is for sure. The scriptures say that he was a mighty hunter. Most believe that this was not only a hunter of animals .... but of people as well.

One last thing, on Tuesday I also had a vision. I went to put my Grandson down for his nap....as I laid down on the bed this is what I saw and heard.

It was Obama and his youngest daughter standing on a platform. I could not see the crowd but in my spirit I knew it was very large. His daughter looked up to her dad, raised her hand as if she was presenting someone to a mass of people, and said, "My Father...... THE KING"

Together with Nannar-Sin and Ishtar, Shamash completes another triad by the side of Anu, Enlil and Ea. The three powers Sin, Shamash and Ishtar symbolized three great forces of nature: the moon, the sun, and the life-giving force of the earth, respectively. At times instead of Ishtar we find Adad, the storm-god, associated with Sin and Shamash, and it may be that these two sets of triads represent the doctrines of two different schools of theological thought in Babylonia which were subsequently harmonized by the recognition of a group consisting of all four deities.

In the Middle East, Dumuzi, "Son of the Abyss," the ever-dying, ever-reviving Sumerian prototype of the resurrected savior, was a harvest god of ancient Mesopotamia, Sumerian god of vegetation and the under-world.

I know most of you probably noticed the contrast between the Tower of Babel and the Memory Tower from the closing ceremony at the Beijing Olympic but l thought l'd post it anyway.



Here's another shot:

Genesis 11:4
Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”

Let us build ourselves a city. Philippians 2:3 states, “Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself.”

Whose top is in the heavens 1 John 2:16,17
For all that is in the world – the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life – is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

Let us make a name for ourselvesPhilippians 2:5-8
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

Least we be scattered over the earthGenesis 1:28. God said, “…Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it…”

http://www.fightthetide.com/supporting%20e...akinganame.html

some very interesting notes about olympics below:

http://theopenscroll.com/email/20080828.htm

"Olympics 2008 - Closing Ceremonies Symbolism
August 28, 2008 - email from The Open Scroll email list - Click here to subscribe
Greetings!

The recent Olympics came to a close, with a spectacular ceremony. I didn't watch it, but a dear friend of mine did, and she said she was stunned with what she saw. She has been a student of hidden things at the Lord's feet for some time, and I respect her insight and depth of discernment in many categories. I asked her to share it with me in writing and I believe the Lord would have this published. With her gracious permission, here it is. I will preface it with a notice that, because the ceremony presented a rather graphic sexual scene, the description itself must be rather graphic. The message of importance here isn't about the nature of the presentation, which is just the vehicle, but what it testifies of! Spread the word!

Bob


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I am not an Olympics buff. Though I appreciate the hard work and talent of the participants, I have come to realize the overt occult nature of the games. Therefore, unless prompted by Abba to observe the proceedings, I typically steer pretty clear of them. This time, however, I did feel as though Abba was prompting me to watch the closing ceremonies on 08/24/08 (08/8+8+8/08). In my spirit was the distinct impression that they would be announcing 1) the conception of the New World Order, 2) the baptism (as you have proposed in your writings) of the AntiChrist figure to come upon the scene, and 3) the announcement of the soon arrival of the ascended masters I have studied. I knew the symbolic pageantry would be heavily veiled, but felt strongly that it would be there. Indeed, I do believe it was. One who was not looking for it would not see it, as it was so discretely presented, but if one was looking for it, there really wouldn't be much of a problem to identify the entire process. After reading the following, if you have the ability to replay the programming and discern it for yourselves, I would urge you first to pray for the protection of God during the viewing of it, then to sit back and be prepared to pick up your jaw from off the floor as you watch it with new eyes and see what I have seen.

Due to the nature of the consummation process, I must be somewhat graphic as I attempt to describe my findings. Please forgive, but the enormity of the scripting cannot be otherwise addressed. All three aspects which I mentioned above were indeed present, and in the same order noted above.

Note - 1) and 2) occur together, 2) being imbedded in the midst of 1). The explanation is below.

1) In the center of the arena was a number of males dressed in red, drumming on their drums. They formed concentric circles, and were most fervently drumming a rhythmic cadence of sorts. Around them entered a voluminous group of women in exquisite golden attire who surrounded the men. Their formation and coloration could easily be construed to be the feminine genitalia. The concentric circles of men in red drumming also moved in wave-like formation as though palpitating. Two huge drums appeared above the circle, suspended in the air. They were lowered over the circle, and were further lowered into a flattened position above the circle. This would represent the male scrotum approaching the female genitalia beneath, then lying over her. As the music and suspense reached a heightened level, the atmosphere changed drastically: there was an instant ceasing of movement and sound, a fluctuation in the lighting to hues of blue, and fireworks erupted. It does not take much imagination to see the symbolism there! Then the dancers around the males began to form channels of a strange formation. When looking for the symbolism I was seeking, it was not difficult to see that they could be forming the female reproductive tract; ovaries, fallopian tubes, etc. Then bicyclists emerged, running around the channels, etc., but these were no ordinary bicycles. They were enclosed in round tubes of white lights which rotated vertically as the cyclists drove through the channels. This was the eggs of the female, emerging from the ovaries, coming forth to be fertilized.

2) - Amidst whimsical, mystical music, a man in red was seen above, suspended in the air. He was lowered, ever so gracefully, and dipped into the red circle below, which was pulsating in anticipation of his arrival. He was immersed into the circle then raised back into the air. The baptism of the lawless one into the New World Order which was being consummated had just been enacted.

1) (continues) - Two men who were dressed somewhat like superman, but in midnight blue with ominous white lights (creating an alien sort of appearance) were suspended from rods and were waved, dancing in the air over the genitalia, as though the entire process was being witnessed by beings that seemed 'other than earthly' (to say the least). In Hebrew tradition two witnesses await the consummation of the marriage and when they are told that it has occurred, they broadcast the news. Could the anti-version of the consummation process have it's two witnesses in like manner? Then the stage erupted with numerous men who were jumping all around on very strange footwear which enabled them to leap, and dance in very interesting fashion, similar to the sporadic movements of released sperm in our science book diagrams. The rods overshadowing these typological sperm may also have represented the erected male genitalia, and the alien type creatures riding upon them may have indicated that this sperm is not of human descent. As the music built to a fevered pitch, the room suddenly quieted. The act had been accomplished. The hush quickly turned to an uproar of applause. If only the audience knew what they were applauding, one wonders if the applause would have been so great!

Between this segment and the 3) enactment, the NBC commentators plugged the 4 hour video set that contains both opening and closing ceremonies. During the brief plug, they ran the clip of the huge white lighted bird (presumably a dove) that graced the darkened skies above the arena on 08/08/08, the night the opening ceremonies began. How appropriate that they would replay that segment right after the enactment of the baptism of the lawless one, just as the appearance of the dove (Holy Spirit) concluded the baptism of Yeshua.

3) - Revelation 12:4 speaks of the dragon (AntiChrist figure) pulling down 1/3 of the stars of heaven. I believe that China (seat of the dragon) may have just done so. They erected a 5 story 'memory tower', which was shaped precisely like depictions I have seen on posters, etc., of the tower of Babel. Many have speculated that the tower of Babel was an attempt to reach to the heavens to be reunited with space brothers of some nature. It is also interesting to note that some believe that humanity has been put through 'waters of forgetfulness' or the 'sea of forgetfulness', and that these space brothers will help us to recall that from which we came and take us back to it. I believe it was no coincidence that this tower was named the MEMORY tower, and that it was not so named to commemorate the memories of the games! (For those who question this, reading Genesis 6 and 10-11 with new eyes may help you to understand.)

Atop the tower, two male figures painted in silver maneuvered independently, striking one pose after another in Greek Olympian fashion. A departing airliner scene was presented whereby three athletes were ready to leave on the plane. One pulled out a scroll and they reviewed the scroll, as if to say, 'yes, we have followed the plan to the letter, and it is now time to depart'. Then they looked longingly at the tower. The Olympian cauldron flame was then extinguished, and the tower burst into life with over 400 participants scaling the sides and performing arm and leg movements to make the tower burst into synchronized motion of a glowing orange effect. It was to represent that the tower was becoming the flame. (It was time for the old to be left behind so the tower could bring in the new). Five newcomers then attained the summit of the tower, and performed a series of actions, ending with a pyramid of sorts, reaching up to the heavens. Flowers opened all over the tower, and 16 long strips were attached to the tower which hung to the ground, then were lifted into the air somewhat like antennae or avenues to the sky. The next occurrence was a rather eye-popping appearance of a large number of men, dressed in the same midnight blue apparel and white lighting as in mentioned above. Their appearance was somewhat like stars, yet very alien indeed, and they were suspended in the sky as though they had arrived from the heavens in response to the invitation of the figures atop the tower. They totally surrounded the complex, symbolic of surrounding the globe, and then they popped down to the ground and then back up into the sky repeatedly.

At the conclusion of the 'scene' (for lack of a better term), a couple was brought center stage. She wore a gorgeous white dress, and he wore a dark suit. They sung in duet a love song while a large number of women in white watched the couple from behind. It was very much like a wedding of sorts, and the women looking on were of a virgin nature (depicted by the white attire).

Note - Whereas our Bridegroom (Yeshua) will one day marry his bride (overcoming Believers), so may the Anti version of Messiah have a similar plan. If this is any indication, it is on the agenda.

Whereas most people who watched these closing ceremonies were simply enthralled with the technological mastery of the pageantry, I perceived a much more sinister orchestration in the unfolding sequence of events.

May we be found worthy to escape those things which are to come - loosely referencing Luke 21:36!


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Consider the implications. This is a big deal! If you haven't seen it and want to, you can probably acquire a DVD somewhere, like from NBC, but you can find clips here, too: YouTube postings of video clips of the ceremony

Bob Schlenker
TheOpenScroll.com

1) the conception of the New World Order, 2) the baptism (as you have proposed in your writings) of the AntiChrist figure to come upon the scene, and 3) the announcement of the soon arrival of the ascended masters I have studied.

Ascended Masters are beings who live in the heaven-world (etheric plane), so they someone in embodiment to bring forth their messages into the physical world. In 1952, an Ascended Master called El Morya contacted Mark Prophet to be a messenger for the Ascended Masters. From childhood Mark was very devoted to God and freely communicated with angels and nature spirits, and by the end of high school he had all nine gifts of the Holy Spirit. Mark accepted the arduous calling of messenger and El Morya and other Ascended Masters trained Mark and later Elizabeth Clare Prophet to receive and transmit their messages, which are called dictations.

Mark L Prophet


Dictations serve many purposes. They can bring to our attention knowledge of timely events, make us more aware of issues we need to work on, both on a personal and planetary scale, and serve to heighten the consciousness and transfer light to the receiver.


Because Ascended Masters are one with God they are all-loving, knowing and powerful, and their dictations have a much higher vibration than channelled messages, which are given by unascended spirits who take over the body of a medium.A messenger's role is to help others make contact with their Higher Self so that they can commune directly with God and the Ascended Masters.


After Mark Prophet's ascension in 1973, Elizabeth Clare Prophet continues to hold the mantle of Messenger in embodiment for the Ascended Masters.

From childhood Mark was very devoted to God and freely communicated with angels and nature spirits, and by the end of high school he had all nine gifts of the Holy Spirit.

HAI,

you mentioned the 10 planks of Communism,
which is great.

Firstly, it caught my attention, because it made me think of the 10 horns on the beast.....

Also, it caught my attention in relation to IAMLIVES' dream of latticed copper and wood.

The word lattice comes from old Frankish word 'Lath' meaning plank.

The latticing denotes a society built on these planks/principles.

val says; But I believe there is more to it than meets the eye!

HEPHAISTOS was the great Olympian god of fire, metalworking, stonemasonry and the art of sculpture. He was usually depicted as a bearded man holding hammer and tongs--the tools of a smith--and riding a donkey.

3) - Revelation 12:4 speaks of the dragon (AntiChrist figure) pulling down 1/3 of the stars of heaven. I believe that China (seat of the dragon) may have just done so. They erected a 5 story 'memory tower', which was shaped precisely like depictions I have seen on posters, etc., of the tower of Babel. Many have speculated that the tower of Babel was an attempt to reach to the heavens to be reunited with space brothers of some nature. It is also interesting to note that some believe that humanity has been put through 'waters of forgetfulness' or the 'sea of forgetfulness', and that these space brothers will help us to recall that from which we came and take us back to it. I believe it was no coincidence that this tower was named the MEMORY tower, and that it was not so named to commemorate the memories of the games! (For those who question this, reading Genesis 6 and 10-11 with new eyes may help you to understand.)

Not if you've done any study on the ascended masters.

You have to understand what's coming...even masked under communism.