“Tis the season to be jolly.” Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. These are sayings associated with Christmas, the day that Jesus the Christ was born; or was it? Certainly this could be a description of Christmas. Celebrations such as these were taking place among non-Christians centuries before Jesus Christ was born! Such customs do not come from the Bible. They have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not originate them, nor were they observed by the prophets (Old Testament) or the apostles (New Testament). We're going to examine Christmas, its origin and customs, and see if in fact Christmas is of God or Pagan. Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?
Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.
Was It The Birth Of Christ?
Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.
Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season.
"It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.
Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
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Some may say, "It does not matter when He was born. I am just celebrating His birth."; whereas others may say "Jesus is the reason for the season." Is that really the case? If Jesus is the reason for the season, then why didn't He let us know when to celebrate his birth? We claim we love Jesus so much but why don't we observe his death as he commanded us. Luke 22:19, "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and break it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me."
He commanded you to observe the Passover, not Easter, which is also a pagan holiday associated with wild sexual orgies. Jesus commanded us to observe the Holy Days in Leviticus the 23rd chapter but we ignore those days and observe traditions that have nothing to do with Jesus.
(Matthew 15: 1-9). 1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Where Did Christmas Come From?
World Scope Encyclopedia (1960 vol.3) states, "Christmas, the festival observed by the Christian Church on the 25th day of December in commemoration of the birth of Jesus Christ. No certain knowledge of the birthday of Jesus Christ exists and its observance was not established until some time after the organization of the first churches. The 25th day of December was advocated by Julius 1, Bishop of Rome from 337 to 352, as the most suitable time to commemorate the birth of Christ. The day was finally placed on December 25th, which made it possible for all nations to observe a festival of rejoicing that the shortest day of the year has passed.
The end of December was an especially significant time in the northern hemisphere. Days were short; nights long. The sun was at its lowest point. This called for the celebration of special festivals of thanksgiving and encouragement to the waning sun. When at the winter solstice in late December, the days began to lengthen once again, there was great festivity lasting into the first part of January. The reason was that the declining sun---the light of the world--had been reborn and began to gain in strength. Moreover, the newly converted peoples found it convenient to get a kind of substitute for their original celebrations of the solstice ". The birth of Jesus the Christ was assigned the date of December 25th, because on this day, as the sun began its return to the northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra (the Persian's Sun God) celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun).
The history book a Pictorial History of the Italian People states, "Saint Gregory was repelled by Graeco-Roman civilization and, paradoxically, did more than anyone else to facilitate the absorption of pagan residues into Italian Christianity. Through that process of absorption, any paganism hostile to Christianity remaining in Italian rural communities faded away".
He commanded you to observe the Passover, not Easter, which is also a pagan holiday associated with wild sexual orgies. Jesus commanded us to observe the Holy Days in Leviticus the 23rd chapter but we ignore those days and observe traditions that have nothing to do with Jesus.
(Matthew 15: 1-9). 1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Where Did Christmas Come From?
World Scope Encyclopedia (1960 vol.3) states, "Christmas, the festival observed by the Christian Church on the 25th day of December in commemoration of the birth of Jesus Christ. No certain knowledge of the birthday of Jesus Christ exists and its observance was not established until some time after the organization of the first churches. The 25th day of December was advocated by Julius 1, Bishop of Rome from 337 to 352, as the most suitable time to commemorate the birth of Christ. The day was finally placed on December 25th, which made it possible for all nations to observe a festival of rejoicing that the shortest day of the year has passed.
The end of December was an especially significant time in the northern hemisphere. Days were short; nights long. The sun was at its lowest point. This called for the celebration of special festivals of thanksgiving and encouragement to the waning sun. When at the winter solstice in late December, the days began to lengthen once again, there was great festivity lasting into the first part of January. The reason was that the declining sun---the light of the world--had been reborn and began to gain in strength. Moreover, the newly converted peoples found it convenient to get a kind of substitute for their original celebrations of the solstice ". The birth of Jesus the Christ was assigned the date of December 25th, because on this day, as the sun began its return to the northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra (the Persian's Sun God) celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun).
The history book a Pictorial History of the Italian People states, "Saint Gregory was repelled by Graeco-Roman civilization and, paradoxically, did more than anyone else to facilitate the absorption of pagan residues into Italian Christianity. Through that process of absorption, any paganism hostile to Christianity remaining in Italian rural communities faded away".
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Nov 30 2008, 06:26 PM) 
"Tis the season to be jolly." Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. These are sayings associated with Christmas, the day that Jesus the Christ was born; or was it? Certainly this could be a description of Christmas. Celebrations such as these were taking place among non-Christians centuries before Jesus Christ was born! Such customs do not come from the Bible. They have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not originate them, nor were they observed by the prophets (Old Testament) or the apostles (New Testament). We're going to examine Christmas, its origin and customs, and see if in fact Christmas is of God or Pagan. Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?
Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.
Was It The Birth Of Christ?
Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.
Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season.
"It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.
Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.
Was It The Birth Of Christ?
Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.
Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season.
"It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.
Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
He wasn't born on December 25th....but He was conceived on that date. So....celebrate it for that is when He came to be with us.
His birth was September 29...the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles.
The simple fact is that, as more and more people from throughout the Western Roman Empire became converted to an increasingly popular Christianity, they brought many of their favorite customs with them. "The pagan [winter festivals of the] Saturnalia and Brumalia were too deeply entrenched in popular custom to be set aside by Christian influence... The pagan festival with its riot and merrymaking was so popular that Christians were glad of an excuse to continue its celebration with little change in spirit or in manner... Christians of Mesopotamia accused their western brethren of idolatry and sun-worship for adopting as Christian this pagan festival.
Yet the festival rapidly gained acceptance and became at last so firmly entrenched that even the Protestant revolution of the sixteenth century was not able to dislodge it..." (The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Volume III, article "Christmas.") You see this going on in churches today. Churches are constantly recruiting new members from other denominations and they often bring some aspect of their previous church to the new one.
If you notice, many Christians today celebrate the Roman Catholic tradition of Lent. Historically, Lent, was not celebrated by Protestant churches.
Yet the festival rapidly gained acceptance and became at last so firmly entrenched that even the Protestant revolution of the sixteenth century was not able to dislodge it..." (The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Volume III, article "Christmas.") You see this going on in churches today. Churches are constantly recruiting new members from other denominations and they often bring some aspect of their previous church to the new one.
If you notice, many Christians today celebrate the Roman Catholic tradition of Lent. Historically, Lent, was not celebrated by Protestant churches.
the following or not following traditions has to come with conviction. an examination
of the truth and a desire to live in the truth takes prayer and an unfolding by the Holy Spirit. fact is we are all like the Jews in the diapora to the degree that we have come into contact with the falsehoods of our beloved traditions. it doesn't make them Biblical though.
blessings,
signet
This topic has been discussed, chewed, digested in other threads already.
It is monotone to have the same thing all over again. Just perform a search.
It is monotone to have the same thing all over again. Just perform a search.
"CHRIST-MASS " IS A ROMAN CATHOLIC PAGAN MIXTURE, AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS CHRIST OF THE BIBLE.
True believers should have no participation or connection to the world's pagan Roman holiday of CHRIST-MASS.
Celebrating the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ on the pagan sun god's (Tammuz) birth day is an abomination. The words "MERRY CHRIST-MASS" should not even be uttered by true believers.
"The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass."
It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Romish church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."
As previously stated, the word "MASS" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice" The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"
Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins. He does this while parents place their little children into his waiting arms to hear his false promises of gifts that he says he will give them. Consider what you are saying when you say "Merry Christmas."
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html
True believers should have no participation or connection to the world's pagan Roman holiday of CHRIST-MASS.
Celebrating the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ on the pagan sun god's (Tammuz) birth day is an abomination. The words "MERRY CHRIST-MASS" should not even be uttered by true believers.
"The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass."
It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Romish church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."
As previously stated, the word "MASS" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice" The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"
Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins. He does this while parents place their little children into his waiting arms to hear his false promises of gifts that he says he will give them. Consider what you are saying when you say "Merry Christmas."
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:34 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Nov 30 2008, 06:26 PM)
"Tis the season to be jolly." Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. These are sayings associated with Christmas, the day that Jesus the Christ was born; or was it? Certainly this could be a description of Christmas. Celebrations such as these were taking place among non-Christians centuries before Jesus Christ was born! Such customs do not come from the Bible. They have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not originate them, nor were they observed by the prophets (Old Testament) or the apostles (New Testament). We're going to examine Christmas, its origin and customs, and see if in fact Christmas is of God or Pagan. Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?
Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.
Was It The Birth Of Christ?
Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.
Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season.
"It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.
Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.
Was It The Birth Of Christ?
Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.
Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season.
"It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.
Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
He wasn't born on December 25th....but He was conceived on that date. So....celebrate it for that is when He came to be with us.
His birth was September 29...the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles.
Break it down for me.
How do you no that?
Even Kwanza, founded 1966 by Dr. Maulana Karenga, which people are starting to celebrate and mingle into the church is based on the Nguzo Saba (seven guiding principles), one for each day of the observance, and is celebrated from December 26th to January 1st.
A Kinara (candle holder); Mkeka (placemat preferably made of straw); Mazao (crops, i.e., fruits and vegetables); Vibunzi (ears of corn to reflect the number of children in the household); Kikombe cha umoja (communal unity cup); Mishumaa saba (seven candles, one black, three red, and three green); and Zawadi (gifts that are enriching).
Its focus is said to be on these traditional African values. It's been said that Kwanza is a time of reaffirming African-American people, their ancestors and culture. Kwanzaa, means "first fruits of the harvest" in the African language Kiswahili.
But the Lord has a harvest festival called the Feast of the Tabernacles. Why don't African-Americans, as well as all Christians, celebrate it?
A Kinara (candle holder); Mkeka (placemat preferably made of straw); Mazao (crops, i.e., fruits and vegetables); Vibunzi (ears of corn to reflect the number of children in the household); Kikombe cha umoja (communal unity cup); Mishumaa saba (seven candles, one black, three red, and three green); and Zawadi (gifts that are enriching).
Its focus is said to be on these traditional African values. It's been said that Kwanza is a time of reaffirming African-American people, their ancestors and culture. Kwanzaa, means "first fruits of the harvest" in the African language Kiswahili.
But the Lord has a harvest festival called the Feast of the Tabernacles. Why don't African-Americans, as well as all Christians, celebrate it?
QUOTE (Here Am I @ Nov 30 2008, 06:43 PM)
"CHRIST-MASS " IS A ROMAN CATHOLIC PAGAN MIXTURE, AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS CHRIST OF THE BIBLE.
True believers should have no participation or connection to the world's pagan Roman holiday of CHRIST-MASS.
Celebrating the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ on the pagan sun god's (Tammuz) birth day is an abomination. The words "MERRY CHRIST-MASS" should not even be uttered by true believers.
"The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass."
It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Romish church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."
As previously stated, the word "MASS" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice" The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"
Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins. He does this while parents place their little children into his waiting arms to hear his false promises of gifts that he says he will give them. Consider what you are saying when you say "Merry Christmas."
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html
True believers should have no participation or connection to the world's pagan Roman holiday of CHRIST-MASS.
Celebrating the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ on the pagan sun god's (Tammuz) birth day is an abomination. The words "MERRY CHRIST-MASS" should not even be uttered by true believers.
"The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass."
It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Romish church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."
As previously stated, the word "MASS" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice" The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"
Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins. He does this while parents place their little children into his waiting arms to hear his false promises of gifts that he says he will give them. Consider what you are saying when you say "Merry Christmas."
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html
Thanks Here Am I
That is some good understanding
Leviticus 23:34-41 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD. On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
40 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
40 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
So exactly where did Christmas come from? World Scope Encyclopedia (1960 vol.3) states, "Christmas, the festival observed by the Christian Church on the 25th day of December in commemoration of the birth of Jesus Christ. No certain knowledge of the birthday of Jesus Christ exists and its observance was not established until some time after the organization of the first churches.
The 25th day of December was advocated by Julius 1, Bishop of Rome from 337 to 352, as the most suitable time to commemorate the birth of Christ. The day was finally placed on December 25th, which made it possible for all nations to observe a festival of rejoicing that the shortest day of the year has passed. Moreover, the newly converted peoples found it convenient to get a kind of substitute for their original celebrations of the solstice".
The birth of Jesus the Christ was assigned the date of December 25th, because on this day, as the sun began its return to the northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun). The history book a Pictorial History of the Italian People states, "Saint Gregory was repelled by Graeco-Roman civilization and, paradoxically, did more than anyone else to facilitate the absorption of pagan residues into Italian Christianity. Through that process of absorption, any paganism hostile to Christianity remaining in Italian rural communities faded away".
Check your history, you'll find that the customs associated with Christmas were celebrated some 2000 years before Jesus.
The 25th day of December was advocated by Julius 1, Bishop of Rome from 337 to 352, as the most suitable time to commemorate the birth of Christ. The day was finally placed on December 25th, which made it possible for all nations to observe a festival of rejoicing that the shortest day of the year has passed. Moreover, the newly converted peoples found it convenient to get a kind of substitute for their original celebrations of the solstice".
The birth of Jesus the Christ was assigned the date of December 25th, because on this day, as the sun began its return to the northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun). The history book a Pictorial History of the Italian People states, "Saint Gregory was repelled by Graeco-Roman civilization and, paradoxically, did more than anyone else to facilitate the absorption of pagan residues into Italian Christianity. Through that process of absorption, any paganism hostile to Christianity remaining in Italian rural communities faded away".
Check your history, you'll find that the customs associated with Christmas were celebrated some 2000 years before Jesus.
But if we got Christmas from the Roman Catholics, and they got it from paganism, where did the pagans get it? Where, when, and what was its real origin? It started and originated in the original Bablyhon of ancient Nimrod. Nimrod, grandson of Ham, son of Noah built the tower of Babel. Nimrod married his own mother, whose name is Semiramis. After Nimrod's, Semiramis claimed a full grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump, which symbolized the springing forth unto new life of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. December 25th was the birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree.
Through her scheming and designing, Semiramis became the Babylonia "Queen of Heaven," and Nimrod, under various names, became the "divine son of heaven." Through the generations, in this idolatrius worship, Nimrod also became the false Messiah, son of Baal the Sun-god. In this false Bablyhonish system, the "Mother and Child" (Semiramis and Nimrod reborn) became chief objects of worship. This worship of "Mother and Child" spread over the world. The names varied in different countries and languages.
In Egypt it was Isis and Osiris. In Asia, Cybele and Deoius. In pagan Rome, Fortuna and Jupiterpuer. Even in Greece, China, Japan, Tibet is to be found the counterpart of the Madonna, long before the birth of Christ. The Lord God of Israel made reference to the worshiping and sacrificing to the "Queen of Heaven" in Jeremiah.
Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Through her scheming and designing, Semiramis became the Babylonia "Queen of Heaven," and Nimrod, under various names, became the "divine son of heaven." Through the generations, in this idolatrius worship, Nimrod also became the false Messiah, son of Baal the Sun-god. In this false Bablyhonish system, the "Mother and Child" (Semiramis and Nimrod reborn) became chief objects of worship. This worship of "Mother and Child" spread over the world. The names varied in different countries and languages.
In Egypt it was Isis and Osiris. In Asia, Cybele and Deoius. In pagan Rome, Fortuna and Jupiterpuer. Even in Greece, China, Japan, Tibet is to be found the counterpart of the Madonna, long before the birth of Christ. The Lord God of Israel made reference to the worshiping and sacrificing to the "Queen of Heaven" in Jeremiah.
Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Nov 30 2008, 06:41 PM)
This topic has been discussed, chewed, digested in other threads already.
It is monotone to have the same thing all over again. Just perform a search.
It is monotone to have the same thing all over again. Just perform a search.
Sometime the more people hear and read things the better or more they understand, you never no who
God is dealing with and changes people make in their lives. Plus this is the season for this topic.
Lets go and see what paul said....
2Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
QUOTE (Here Am I @ Nov 30 2008, 06:43 PM)
"CHRIST-MASS " IS A ROMAN CATHOLIC PAGAN MIXTURE, AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS CHRIST OF THE BIBLE.
True believers should have no participation or connection to the world's pagan Roman holiday of CHRIST-MASS.
Celebrating the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ on the pagan sun god's (Tammuz) birth day is an abomination. The words "MERRY CHRIST-MASS" should not even be uttered by true believers.
"The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass."
It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Romish church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."
As previously stated, the word "MASS" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice" The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"
Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins. He does this while parents place their little children into his waiting arms to hear his false promises of gifts that he says he will give them. Consider what you are saying when you say "Merry Christmas."
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html
True believers should have no participation or connection to the world's pagan Roman holiday of CHRIST-MASS.
Celebrating the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ on the pagan sun god's (Tammuz) birth day is an abomination. The words "MERRY CHRIST-MASS" should not even be uttered by true believers.
"The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass."
It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Romish church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."
As previously stated, the word "MASS" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice" The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"
Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins. He does this while parents place their little children into his waiting arms to hear his false promises of gifts that he says he will give them. Consider what you are saying when you say "Merry Christmas."
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html
Wow....that's a history I haven't been shown before. I knew it was a pagan festival but certainly didn't realize all the rest! QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:19 PM)
QUOTE (Here Am I @ Nov 30 2008, 06:43 PM)
"CHRIST-MASS " IS A ROMAN CATHOLIC PAGAN MIXTURE, AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS CHRIST OF THE BIBLE.
True believers should have no participation or connection to the world's pagan Roman holiday of CHRIST-MASS.
Celebrating the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ on the pagan sun god's (Tammuz) birth day is an abomination. The words "MERRY CHRIST-MASS" should not even be uttered by true believers.
"The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass."
It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Romish church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."
As previously stated, the word "MASS" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice" The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"
Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins. He does this while parents place their little children into his waiting arms to hear his false promises of gifts that he says he will give them. Consider what you are saying when you say "Merry Christmas."
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html
True believers should have no participation or connection to the world's pagan Roman holiday of CHRIST-MASS.
Celebrating the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ on the pagan sun god's (Tammuz) birth day is an abomination. The words "MERRY CHRIST-MASS" should not even be uttered by true believers.
"The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass."
It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Romish church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."
As previously stated, the word "MASS" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice" The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"
Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins. He does this while parents place their little children into his waiting arms to hear his false promises of gifts that he says he will give them. Consider what you are saying when you say "Merry Christmas."
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html
Wow....that's a history I haven't been shown before. I knew it was a pagan festival but certainly didn't realize all the rest! If you need any other info, history or validation, please don't hesitate to ask. It's one of my specialties!
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Nov 30 2008, 06:43 PM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:34 PM)
He wasn't born on December 25th....but He was conceived on that date. So....celebrate it for that is when He came to be with us.
His birth was September 29...the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles.
Break it down for me.
How do you no that?
The information on the birthdate of our Saviour is given us in Luke:
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Elisabeth was a full blooded Levite and she was Mary's aunt (her mother and Elisabeth were sisters) which tells us that Christ's physical genealogy was of Levi and Judah....of the King and the Priestly lines.
The "course of Abia" is a set date of one week of services....June 13-19
1:8 And it came to pass that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course.
This sets the date of these events. An angel of the Lord told him that his elderly wife Elisabeth would bear a son and he was to name him John [1:11-17]
1:23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
It is June 20th and he is thirty miles from home.
1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months saying,
A three day trip would place him home on June 23-24th and....Elizabeth conceived. Five months later would be November 24-25.
1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
The sixth month after the vision of Zachariah....Christ was conceived. That would be December 24-25.
1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste into a city of Juda;
1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
1:56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
1:57 Now Elisabeth's full time came that she should be delivered and she brought forth a son
As shown, the December 25th date was the conception. Nine months later we have one of the Feast Days God instructed us to remember...The Feast of Tabernacles on September 29th. The shadow of the birth of Christ!
Although Christ' birthday was not on December 25th it was the day he was "begotten of the Holy Spirit." His birth took place on September 29, the first day of the Feast Of Tabernacles. His circumcision took place eight days later, the 8th day of the Feast, October 6-7 (Lev.23:33-43). These two events fall into their proper place and order and the real reason is made clear why the 25th of December is associated with our Lord. It is the day the "Word became flesh," [John 1:14].
There are no coincidences.
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Nov 30 2008, 05:41 PM)
This topic has been discussed, chewed, digested in other threads already.
It is monotone to have the same thing all over again. Just perform a search.
It is monotone to have the same thing all over again. Just perform a search.
and in addition, i'm sure arguments in the opposite direction have been discussed..
but what does the Word of God say?
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Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
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1 Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God
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because... HE IS WORTHY!!!
QUOTE (Here Am I @ Nov 30 2008, 07:26 PM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:19 PM)
QUOTE (Here Am I @ Nov 30 2008, 06:43 PM)
"CHRIST-MASS " IS A ROMAN CATHOLIC PAGAN MIXTURE, AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS CHRIST OF THE BIBLE.
True believers should have no participation or connection to the world's pagan Roman holiday of CHRIST-MASS.
Celebrating the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ on the pagan sun god's (Tammuz) birth day is an abomination. The words "MERRY CHRIST-MASS" should not even be uttered by true believers.
"The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass."
It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Romish church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."
As previously stated, the word "MASS" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice" The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"
Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins. He does this while parents place their little children into his waiting arms to hear his false promises of gifts that he says he will give them. Consider what you are saying when you say "Merry Christmas."
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html
True believers should have no participation or connection to the world's pagan Roman holiday of CHRIST-MASS.
Celebrating the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ on the pagan sun god's (Tammuz) birth day is an abomination. The words "MERRY CHRIST-MASS" should not even be uttered by true believers.
"The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass."
It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Romish church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."
As previously stated, the word "MASS" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice" The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"
Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins. He does this while parents place their little children into his waiting arms to hear his false promises of gifts that he says he will give them. Consider what you are saying when you say "Merry Christmas."
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html
Wow....that's a history I haven't been shown before. I knew it was a pagan festival but certainly didn't realize all the rest! If you need any other info, history or validation, please don't hesitate to ask. It's one of my specialties!
Yes Annie...I know. 
I was thinking the other day (I do that sometimes 
) and thought...Some of us are so specialized or have a certain way of expression that we could easily determine the author of a post by either the topic or writing style. For instance....If I said, "there is no rapture," who would you think of? If I said "cult," or "cool" or "conspiracy" who are those that would come to mind? It might be fun to start a topic and each of us could only give one sentence, one we use often, and see how many could guess who each of us were. The way I behaved last week...I hope I wouldn't be known for saying...nitwit!
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:42 PM)
QUOTE (Here Am I @ Nov 30 2008, 07:26 PM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:19 PM)
QUOTE (Here Am I @ Nov 30 2008, 06:43 PM)
"CHRIST-MASS " IS A ROMAN CATHOLIC PAGAN MIXTURE, AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS CHRIST OF THE BIBLE.
True believers should have no participation or connection to the world's pagan Roman holiday of CHRIST-MASS.
Celebrating the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ on the pagan sun god's (Tammuz) birth day is an abomination. The words "MERRY CHRIST-MASS" should not even be uttered by true believers.
"The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass."
It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Romish church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."
As previously stated, the word "MASS" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice" The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"
Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins. He does this while parents place their little children into his waiting arms to hear his false promises of gifts that he says he will give them. Consider what you are saying when you say "Merry Christmas."
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html
True believers should have no participation or connection to the world's pagan Roman holiday of CHRIST-MASS.
Celebrating the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ on the pagan sun god's (Tammuz) birth day is an abomination. The words "MERRY CHRIST-MASS" should not even be uttered by true believers.
"The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass."
It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Romish church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."
As previously stated, the word "MASS" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice" The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!"
Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins. He does this while parents place their little children into his waiting arms to hear his false promises of gifts that he says he will give them. Consider what you are saying when you say "Merry Christmas."
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html
Wow....that's a history I haven't been shown before. I knew it was a pagan festival but certainly didn't realize all the rest! If you need any other info, history or validation, please don't hesitate to ask. It's one of my specialties!
Yes Annie...I know. I was thinking the other day (I do that sometimes ) and thought...Some of us are so specialized or have a certain way of expression that we could easily determine the author of a post by either the topic or writing style. For instance....If I said, "there is no rapture," who would you think of? If I said "cult," or "cool" or "conspiracy" who are those that would come to mind? It might be fun to start a topic and each of us could only give one sentence, one we use often, and see how many could guess who each of us were. The way I behaved last week...I hope I wouldn't be known for saying...nitwit!
Very true! I missed the "nitwit" thingy... Oh My!
"When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods."
-Deuternomy 12:29-31
God warns the people to not be snared. A snare is a figurative expression of destruction through deception. The snare itself does not destroy, but it leads to destruction. The Israelites heard these words in the last months before going into the Promised Land. God had set the land aside for them, but the people who inhabited it were still there. It was a ready-made nation for their use. The towns, fortifications, houses, farms, businesses—everything was ready for them to take.
In the same way, we too, are born into a read-made society. The world was already here when we came into it, and because we had no alternative, we accepted it without resistance. We absorbed the culture because our parents taught it to us. However, if we are one of the called ones, God now has us moving in the other direction, away from this world. We must reject the false practices of those who have inhabited the land before us.
The world's holiday called CHRIST-MASS is a Roman Catholic "holyday" steeped in paganism.
Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods."
-Deuternomy 12:29-31
God warns the people to not be snared. A snare is a figurative expression of destruction through deception. The snare itself does not destroy, but it leads to destruction. The Israelites heard these words in the last months before going into the Promised Land. God had set the land aside for them, but the people who inhabited it were still there. It was a ready-made nation for their use. The towns, fortifications, houses, farms, businesses—everything was ready for them to take.
In the same way, we too, are born into a read-made society. The world was already here when we came into it, and because we had no alternative, we accepted it without resistance. We absorbed the culture because our parents taught it to us. However, if we are one of the called ones, God now has us moving in the other direction, away from this world. We must reject the false practices of those who have inhabited the land before us.
The world's holiday called CHRIST-MASS is a Roman Catholic "holyday" steeped in paganism.
Thank you WW for breaking it down for proofing to why dec 25 is not Jesus birthday but it is the day of his conception by the holy spirit.
Always great to learn something new.
Always great to learn something new.
QUOTE (BibleScholar @ Dec 1 2008, 03:59 AM)
Thank you WW for breaking it down for proofing to why dec 25 is not Jesus birthday but it is the day of his conception by the holy spirit.
Always great to learn something new.
Always great to learn something new.
You are most welcome Bible Scholar. I agree, I love to learn "something new." It's funny when that "new" thing has been there all along and suddenly...you see it! Of course, I didn't see that...it was taught to me but nevertheless....A great feeling indeed!
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Nov 30 2008, 06:26 PM)
“Tis the season to be jolly.” Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. These are sayings associated with Christmas, the day that Jesus the Christ was born; or was it? Certainly this could be a description of Christmas. Celebrations such as these were taking place among non-Christians centuries before Jesus Christ was born! Such customs do not come from the Bible. They have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not originate them, nor were they observed by the prophets (Old Testament) or the apostles (New Testament). We're going to examine Christmas, its origin and customs, and see if in fact Christmas is of God or Pagan. Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?
Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.
Was It The Birth Of Christ?
Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.
Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season.
"It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.
Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.
Was It The Birth Of Christ?
Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.
Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season.
"It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.
Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
Sep 29
Thank you WW, I knew December 25th was not the day of His Birth, but your information is most welcome received!
So indeed, it was worth to address this topic again. I humbly apologize.
So indeed, it was worth to address this topic again. I humbly apologize.
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Dec 1 2008, 12:38 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Nov 30 2008, 06:26 PM)
“Tis the season to be jolly.” Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. These are sayings associated with Christmas, the day that Jesus the Christ was born; or was it? Certainly this could be a description of Christmas. Celebrations such as these were taking place among non-Christians centuries before Jesus Christ was born! Such customs do not come from the Bible. They have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not originate them, nor were they observed by the prophets (Old Testament) or the apostles (New Testament). We're going to examine Christmas, its origin and customs, and see if in fact Christmas is of God or Pagan. Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?
Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.
Was It The Birth Of Christ?
Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.
Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season.
"It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.
Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.
Was It The Birth Of Christ?
Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.
Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season.
"It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.
Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
Sep 29
Prove it?
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Dec 1 2008, 02:55 PM)
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Dec 1 2008, 12:38 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Nov 30 2008, 06:26 PM)
“Tis the season to be jolly.” Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. These are sayings associated with Christmas, the day that Jesus the Christ was born; or was it? Certainly this could be a description of Christmas. Celebrations such as these were taking place among non-Christians centuries before Jesus Christ was born! Such customs do not come from the Bible. They have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not originate them, nor were they observed by the prophets (Old Testament) or the apostles (New Testament). We're going to examine Christmas, its origin and customs, and see if in fact Christmas is of God or Pagan. Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?
Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.
Was It The Birth Of Christ?
Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.
Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season.
"It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.
Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.
Was It The Birth Of Christ?
Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed.
Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season.
"It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.) Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night.
Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.
Sep 29
Prove it?
I was beaten to the punch,,,,,,,,check out post 17
Myths Concerning Jesus
"And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that the entire world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) And all went to be taxed every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn". (St. Luke 2:1-7)
"Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared. And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also. When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh". (St. Matthew 2:1-11)
The bible record of the birth of Jesus doesn't give a date for his birth. Even Herod, the King of Judea, didn't know the date of Jesus birth; so how can we know it? The wise men (maybe 2 or 300), the bible didn't give a number, found the young child (not infant) in the house (not the manger). Well, so much for that fairy tale.
"And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that the entire world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) And all went to be taxed every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn". (St. Luke 2:1-7)
"Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared. And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also. When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh". (St. Matthew 2:1-11)
The bible record of the birth of Jesus doesn't give a date for his birth. Even Herod, the King of Judea, didn't know the date of Jesus birth; so how can we know it? The wise men (maybe 2 or 300), the bible didn't give a number, found the young child (not infant) in the house (not the manger). Well, so much for that fairy tale.
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Dec 1 2008, 02:35 PM)
Myths Concerning Jesus
"And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that the entire world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) And all went to be taxed every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn". (St. Luke 2:1-7)
"Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared. And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also. When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh". (St. Matthew 2:1-11)
The bible record of the birth of Jesus doesn't give a date for his birth. Even Herod, the King of Judea, didn't know the date of Jesus birth; so how can we know it? The wise men (maybe 2 or 300), the bible didn't give a number, found the young child (not infant) in the house (not the manger). Well, so much for that fairy tale.
"And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that the entire world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) And all went to be taxed every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn". (St. Luke 2:1-7)
"Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared. And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also. When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh". (St. Matthew 2:1-11)
The bible record of the birth of Jesus doesn't give a date for his birth. Even Herod, the King of Judea, didn't know the date of Jesus birth; so how can we know it? The wise men (maybe 2 or 300), the bible didn't give a number, found the young child (not infant) in the house (not the manger). Well, so much for that fairy tale.
Well I as well as biblescholar believe WW did a great jod on showing the birth of Jesus,,,,,,Your problem is you already stated that no-one knows the date,,,then when someone comes along and shows you the date you reject it just because you couldnt figure it out.....AHHH it probley just went over your head......
The exact date, that we can still play guessing game with but the bible has clues.
We know that Jesus was born during the time of King Herod. According to the jewish historian Josephus, king Herod died in the spring time of 4 BC.
During the time of his reign and after finding out that them 3 wised men betrayed him, king herod ordered the death of children ages 2 and under to be killed.
I'm not too sure how much time have elapse from the time the 3 wised men were being sent to the time of king Herod finding out that he was betrayed but if this king is out to kill Jesus and his orders were 2 years and under, I'm suspecting that less than 2 years have passed. Why did king Herod make it 2 years and not 3? Well it is because he too does not know the exact date to the age of this baby Jesus so his error rate would be a + or - 1 years. I'm now suspecting that 1 year have passed only.
Scripture does say it was a child and not an infant when the 3 wise men found Jesus in a house. So if we add all of this up, what do we get?
Jesus birth date (age = 0), a new star in the sky on Jesus birth date (age = 0), 3 wised men chasing this star (age = 0-0.5 year), 3 wised men found the baby (age = 0.5-1 year), 3 wised men left for their own nation (age = 0.5-1 year), Herod order the slaughter of children under 2 years (age = 1 year to 2 years)
I don't know where I am going with this but the nativity story of the 3 wised men showing up on the date of Jesus birth is inaccurate.
We know that Jesus was born during the time of King Herod. According to the jewish historian Josephus, king Herod died in the spring time of 4 BC.
During the time of his reign and after finding out that them 3 wised men betrayed him, king herod ordered the death of children ages 2 and under to be killed.
I'm not too sure how much time have elapse from the time the 3 wised men were being sent to the time of king Herod finding out that he was betrayed but if this king is out to kill Jesus and his orders were 2 years and under, I'm suspecting that less than 2 years have passed. Why did king Herod make it 2 years and not 3? Well it is because he too does not know the exact date to the age of this baby Jesus so his error rate would be a + or - 1 years. I'm now suspecting that 1 year have passed only.
Scripture does say it was a child and not an infant when the 3 wise men found Jesus in a house. So if we add all of this up, what do we get?
Jesus birth date (age = 0), a new star in the sky on Jesus birth date (age = 0), 3 wised men chasing this star (age = 0-0.5 year), 3 wised men found the baby (age = 0.5-1 year), 3 wised men left for their own nation (age = 0.5-1 year), Herod order the slaughter of children under 2 years (age = 1 year to 2 years)
I don't know where I am going with this but the nativity story of the 3 wised men showing up on the date of Jesus birth is inaccurate.
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:30 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Nov 30 2008, 06:43 PM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:34 PM)
He wasn't born on December 25th....but He was conceived on that date. So....celebrate it for that is when He came to be with us.
His birth was September 29...the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles.
Break it down for me.
How do you no that?
The information on the birthdate of our Saviour is given us in Luke:
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Elisabeth was a full blooded Levite and she was Mary's aunt (her mother and Elisabeth were sisters) which tells us that Christ's physical genealogy was of Levi and Judah....of the King and the Priestly lines.
The "course of Abia" is a set date of one week of services....June 13-19
1:8 And it came to pass that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course.
This sets the date of these events. An angel of the Lord told him that his elderly wife Elisabeth would bear a son and he was to name him John [1:11-17]
1:23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
It is June 20th and he is thirty miles from home.
1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months saying,
A three day trip would place him home on June 23-24th and....Elizabeth conceived. Five months later would be November 24-25.
1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
The sixth month after the vision of Zachariah....Christ was conceived. That would be December 24-25.
1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste into a city of Juda;
1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
1:56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
1:57 Now Elisabeth's full time came that she should be delivered and she brought forth a son
As shown, the December 25th date was the conception. Nine months later we have one of the Feast Days God instructed us to remember...The Feast of Tabernacles on September 29th. The shadow of the birth of Christ!
Although Christ' birthday was not on December 25th it was the day he was "begotten of the Holy Spirit." His birth took place on September 29, the first day of the Feast Of Tabernacles. His circumcision took place eight days later, the 8th day of the Feast, October 6-7 (Lev.23:33-43). These two events fall into their proper place and order and the real reason is made clear why the 25th of December is associated with our Lord. It is the day the "Word became flesh," [John 1:14].
There are no coincidences.
Good points WW, there are no coincidence. Ever since Malachi prophecied the return of Elijah. They held the "cup of Elijah" at Passover in the hopes of Elijah returning at Passover.
If Jesus was born at the first day of Tabernacles, then John, the Elijah that was to come, was born at Passover.
Would of been conceived at the end of June, funny thing, Quebec celebrates John the Baptist day on June 24, about the time of conception of John!
So yeah Jesus would have been conceived around the time of Christmas. It is also the time of Hannukah, the feast of lights that Jesus celebrated in John.
This is the time that they would celebrate the rededication of the temple after the Maccabes won it back from the Greeks.
It would be the time that Mary would "redsdicate" her temple (body) to the Lord. "Let it done unto me according to your word"...
Although the biblical lunar calender changes vs the Solar calendar each year, like Passover.
QUOTE (MMarc @ Dec 2 2008, 11:16 AM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:30 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Nov 30 2008, 06:43 PM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:34 PM)
He wasn't born on December 25th....but He was conceived on that date. So....celebrate it for that is when He came to be with us.
His birth was September 29...the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles.
Break it down for me.
How do you no that?
The information on the birthdate of our Saviour is given us in Luke:
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Elisabeth was a full blooded Levite and she was Mary's aunt (her mother and Elisabeth were sisters) which tells us that Christ's physical genealogy was of Levi and Judah....of the King and the Priestly lines.
The "course of Abia" is a set date of one week of services....June 13-19
1:8 And it came to pass that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course.
This sets the date of these events. An angel of the Lord told him that his elderly wife Elisabeth would bear a son and he was to name him John [1:11-17]
1:23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
It is June 20th and he is thirty miles from home.
1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months saying,
A three day trip would place him home on June 23-24th and....Elizabeth conceived. Five months later would be November 24-25.
1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
The sixth month after the vision of Zachariah....Christ was conceived. That would be December 24-25.
1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste into a city of Juda;
1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
1:56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
1:57 Now Elisabeth's full time came that she should be delivered and she brought forth a son
As shown, the December 25th date was the conception. Nine months later we have one of the Feast Days God instructed us to remember...The Feast of Tabernacles on September 29th. The shadow of the birth of Christ!
Although Christ' birthday was not on December 25th it was the day he was "begotten of the Holy Spirit." His birth took place on September 29, the first day of the Feast Of Tabernacles. His circumcision took place eight days later, the 8th day of the Feast, October 6-7 (Lev.23:33-43). These two events fall into their proper place and order and the real reason is made clear why the 25th of December is associated with our Lord. It is the day the "Word became flesh," [John 1:14].
There are no coincidences.
Good points WW, there are no coincidence. Ever since Malachi prophecied the return of Elijah. They held the "cup of Elijah" at Passover in the hopes of Elijah returning at Passover.
If Jesus was born at the first day of Tabernacles, then John, the Elijah that was to come, was born at Passover.
Would of been conceived at the end of June, funny thing, Quebec celebrates John the Baptist day on June 24, about the time of conception of John!
So yeah Jesus would have been conceived around the time of Christmas. It is also the time of Hannukah, the feast of lights that Jesus celebrated in John.
This is the time that they would celebrate the rededication of the temple after the Maccabes won it back from the Greeks.
It would be the time that Mary would "redsdicate" her temple (body) to the Lord. "Let it done unto me according to your word"...
Although the biblical lunar calender changes vs the Solar calendar each year, like Passover.
Yeah shouldnt we be using a solar calendar,,,we are children of light are we not,,,,,and the Lunar cycle is off anyway....
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Dec 2 2008, 01:20 PM)
QUOTE (MMarc @ Dec 2 2008, 11:16 AM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:30 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Nov 30 2008, 06:43 PM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:34 PM)
He wasn't born on December 25th....but He was conceived on that date. So....celebrate it for that is when He came to be with us.
His birth was September 29...the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles.
Break it down for me.
How do you no that?
The information on the birthdate of our Saviour is given us in Luke:
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Elisabeth was a full blooded Levite and she was Mary's aunt (her mother and Elisabeth were sisters) which tells us that Christ's physical genealogy was of Levi and Judah....of the King and the Priestly lines.
The "course of Abia" is a set date of one week of services....June 13-19
1:8 And it came to pass that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course.
This sets the date of these events. An angel of the Lord told him that his elderly wife Elisabeth would bear a son and he was to name him John [1:11-17]
1:23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
It is June 20th and he is thirty miles from home.
1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months saying,
A three day trip would place him home on June 23-24th and....Elizabeth conceived. Five months later would be November 24-25.
1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
The sixth month after the vision of Zachariah....Christ was conceived. That would be December 24-25.
1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste into a city of Juda;
1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
1:56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
1:57 Now Elisabeth's full time came that she should be delivered and she brought forth a son
As shown, the December 25th date was the conception. Nine months later we have one of the Feast Days God instructed us to remember...The Feast of Tabernacles on September 29th. The shadow of the birth of Christ!
Although Christ' birthday was not on December 25th it was the day he was "begotten of the Holy Spirit." His birth took place on September 29, the first day of the Feast Of Tabernacles. His circumcision took place eight days later, the 8th day of the Feast, October 6-7 (Lev.23:33-43). These two events fall into their proper place and order and the real reason is made clear why the 25th of December is associated with our Lord. It is the day the "Word became flesh," [John 1:14].
There are no coincidences.
Good points WW, there are no coincidence. Ever since Malachi prophecied the return of Elijah. They held the "cup of Elijah" at Passover in the hopes of Elijah returning at Passover.
If Jesus was born at the first day of Tabernacles, then John, the Elijah that was to come, was born at Passover.
Would of been conceived at the end of June, funny thing, Quebec celebrates John the Baptist day on June 24, about the time of conception of John!
So yeah Jesus would have been conceived around the time of Christmas. It is also the time of Hannukah, the feast of lights that Jesus celebrated in John.
This is the time that they would celebrate the rededication of the temple after the Maccabes won it back from the Greeks.
It would be the time that Mary would "redsdicate" her temple (body) to the Lord. "Let it done unto me according to your word"...
Although the biblical lunar calender changes vs the Solar calendar each year, like Passover.
Yeah shouldnt we be using a solar calendar,,,we are children of light are we not,,,,,and the Lunar cycle is off anyway....
Good post guys!
I think we should use the moon phases to mark months and seasons. But even better than that is the seventh day or Sabbat which is still right on. Even NASA says that "it is the oldest astronomical record we have".
There is no doubt that Jesus was born on or about the feast of tabernacles. I can't say it was 29 September, but it could have very well been. It certainly was not December.
There is no record of any Observance in midwinter in the Tanaka. The Jewish feast of Dedication, Purim, and Hannakuah are all feasts which were ordained by man outside any direction from Yah, so though you can observe them if you wish, they are not the same as the ones listed in Leviticus 23 and Deuteronomy 15.
The feasts are the time markers which Yah has always used when he would move prophetically. The flood, the giving of the Decalogue, the feeding of the 5000+, the raising of Lazarus, etc. were all done around the feasts. The old folks used to call this "Holy time".
David was the one who set the courses of the priesthood in 1Chronicals 24, which Abi, Abiah, or Abijah ministered in the eighth course twice a year. His first course would have been around the time of Pentecost and the second sometime in the fall of the year.
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QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Dec 2 2008, 01:20 PM)
QUOTE (MMarc @ Dec 2 2008, 11:16 AM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:30 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Nov 30 2008, 06:43 PM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:34 PM)
He wasn't born on December 25th....but He was conceived on that date. So....celebrate it for that is when He came to be with us.
His birth was September 29...the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles.
Break it down for me.
How do you no that?
The information on the birthdate of our Saviour is given us in Luke:
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Elisabeth was a full blooded Levite and she was Mary's aunt (her mother and Elisabeth were sisters) which tells us that Christ's physical genealogy was of Levi and Judah....of the King and the Priestly lines.
The "course of Abia" is a set date of one week of services....June 13-19
1:8 And it came to pass that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course.
This sets the date of these events. An angel of the Lord told him that his elderly wife Elisabeth would bear a son and he was to name him John [1:11-17]
1:23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
It is June 20th and he is thirty miles from home.
1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months saying,
A three day trip would place him home on June 23-24th and....Elizabeth conceived. Five months later would be November 24-25.
1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
The sixth month after the vision of Zachariah....Christ was conceived. That would be December 24-25.
1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste into a city of Juda;
1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
1:56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
1:57 Now Elisabeth's full time came that she should be delivered and she brought forth a son
As shown, the December 25th date was the conception. Nine months later we have one of the Feast Days God instructed us to remember...The Feast of Tabernacles on September 29th. The shadow of the birth of Christ!
Although Christ' birthday was not on December 25th it was the day he was "begotten of the Holy Spirit." His birth took place on September 29, the first day of the Feast Of Tabernacles. His circumcision took place eight days later, the 8th day of the Feast, October 6-7 (Lev.23:33-43). These two events fall into their proper place and order and the real reason is made clear why the 25th of December is associated with our Lord. It is the day the "Word became flesh," [John 1:14].
There are no coincidences.
Good points WW, there are no coincidence. Ever since Malachi prophecied the return of Elijah. They held the "cup of Elijah" at Passover in the hopes of Elijah returning at Passover.
If Jesus was born at the first day of Tabernacles, then John, the Elijah that was to come, was born at Passover.
Would of been conceived at the end of June, funny thing, Quebec celebrates John the Baptist day on June 24, about the time of conception of John!
So yeah Jesus would have been conceived around the time of Christmas. It is also the time of Hannukah, the feast of lights that Jesus celebrated in John.
This is the time that they would celebrate the rededication of the temple after the Maccabes won it back from the Greeks.
It would be the time that Mary would "redsdicate" her temple (body) to the Lord. "Let it done unto me according to your word"...
Although the biblical lunar calender changes vs the Solar calendar each year, like Passover.
Yeah shouldnt we be using a solar calendar,,,we are children of light are we not,,,,,and the Lunar cycle is off anyway....
I think we should use the moon phases to mark months and seasons. But even better than that is the seventh day or Sabbat which is still right on. Even NASA says that "it is the oldest astronomical record we have".
Hello Ray
Have you ever noticed that prophecys concerning satan and his children are alway given in months and God and his children are always given in days??????? Light .vs darkness,,,,,,,,, From what I know the day should end when the sun goes down not at 12:00 when the moon is out.......
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Dec 2 2008, 03:33 PM)
QUOTE (raysondawn @ Dec 2 2008, 03:24 PM)
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Dec 2 2008, 01:20 PM)
QUOTE (MMarc @ Dec 2 2008, 11:16 AM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:30 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Nov 30 2008, 06:43 PM)
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 30 2008, 06:34 PM)
He wasn't born on December 25th....but He was conceived on that date. So....celebrate it for that is when He came to be with us.
His birth was September 29...the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles.
Break it down for me.
How do you no that?
The information on the birthdate of our Saviour is given us in Luke:
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Elisabeth was a full blooded Levite and she was Mary's aunt (her mother and Elisabeth were sisters) which tells us that Christ's physical genealogy was of Levi and Judah....of the King and the Priestly lines.
The "course of Abia" is a set date of one week of services....June 13-19
1:8 And it came to pass that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course.
This sets the date of these events. An angel of the Lord told him that his elderly wife Elisabeth would bear a son and he was to name him John [1:11-17]
1:23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
It is June 20th and he is thirty miles from home.
1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months saying,
A three day trip would place him home on June 23-24th and....Elizabeth conceived. Five months later would be November 24-25.
1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
The sixth month after the vision of Zachariah....Christ was conceived. That would be December 24-25.
1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste into a city of Juda;
1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
1:56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
1:57 Now Elisabeth's full time came that she should be delivered and she brought forth a son
As shown, the December 25th date was the conception. Nine months later we have one of the Feast Days God instructed us to remember...The Feast of Tabernacles on September 29th. The shadow of the birth of Christ!
Although Christ' birthday was not on December 25th it was the day he was "begotten of the Holy Spirit." His birth took place on September 29, the first day of the Feast Of Tabernacles. His circumcision took place eight days later, the 8th day of the Feast, October 6-7 (Lev.23:33-43). These two events fall into their proper place and order and the real reason is made clear why the 25th of December is associated with our Lord. It is the day the "Word became flesh," [John 1:14].
There are no coincidences.
Good points WW, there are no coincidence. Ever since Malachi prophecied the return of Elijah. They held the "cup of Elijah" at Passover in the hopes of Elijah returning at Passover.
If Jesus was born at the first day of Tabernacles, then John, the Elijah that was to come, was born at Passover.
Would of been conceived at the end of June, funny thing, Quebec celebrates John the Baptist day on June 24, about the time of conception of John!
So yeah Jesus would have been conceived around the time of Christmas. It is also the time of Hannukah, the feast of lights that Jesus celebrated in John.
This is the time that they would celebrate the rededication of the temple after the Maccabes won it back from the Greeks.
It would be the time that Mary would "redsdicate" her temple (body) to the Lord. "Let it done unto me according to your word"...
Although the biblical lunar calender changes vs the Solar calendar each year, like Passover.
Yeah shouldnt we be using a solar calendar,,,we are children of light are we not,,,,,and the Lunar cycle is off anyway....
I think we should use the moon phases to mark months and seasons. But even better than that is the seventh day or Sabbat which is still right on. Even NASA says that "it is the oldest astronomical record we have".
Hello Ray
Have you ever noticed that prophecys concerning satan and his children are alway given in months and God and his children are always given in days??????? Light .vs darkness,,,,,,,,, From what I know the day should end when the sun goes down not at 12:00 when the moon is out.......
No I have not taken notice of that. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
The hour of Midnight is also known as "the witching hour".
I generally do not refer to days, months, etc in the Roman fashion because they are strange gods or named after men who boasted themselves as gods. I refer to the days of the week as they are called in Genesis and of course the months had no name either until the Jews came from Babylon and then things changed alot.
Exo 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
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QUOTE (raysondawn @ Dec 2 2008, 03:24 PM)
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