"Then I saw the lamb open the sixth seal. There was a powerful earthquake. The sun turned as black as sackcloth made of hair, and the full moon turned as red as blood. The stars in the sky fell to the earth like a fig tree drops its fruit when it is shaken by a strong wind. The sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCIzvbGEyow

"Researcher Brent Miller of the Horizon Project discussed past evidence for sudden catastrophic earth changes, and warned we could be nearing another such event, possibly occurring in 2012. Calamities such as a pole shift are likely caused by passing space bodies altering Earth's gravitational field, he explained.

Our solar system moves up and down a "galactic plane," and as the Mayans predicted, Earth will reach the closest point to the center of the galaxy in 2012, said Miller. The center (or "dark rift") has a large gravitational field which has been affecting Earth since 1998, causing larger and more frequent earthquakes, he noted. Quakes will increase as we get closer to 2012, as well as anomalous weather patterns caused by ocean temperature warming-- culminating in a pole shift with huge tsunamis that will wipe out coastal lands, he cautioned.

Miller cited ancient historical data to back up his assertions. Water damage to the Sphinx as well as silt evidence from the Mississippi River indicate that global tidal waves wreaked havoc around 9,000 years ago, he outlined. Various prophecies such as from Nostradamus, Cayce, the Bible, and the Hopi Indians all share similar accounts of dramatic earth cataclysms. Nostradamus wrote of a single day where everyone falls over, and Miller suggested this will be due to a gravitational flux/pole shift."

further listening: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...hanges+12+of+12

further viewing: The Horizon Project Documentary

"Global catastrophic events throughout our past have severed the flow of information from one generation to the next, creating permanent gaps in history and knowledge. Civilizations that came before us knew of the upcoming inevitable catastrophe, leaving behind major clues that have just been recently discovered. The knowledge that was once lost is the missing link that provides a clear understanding of how our world truly operates. Ironically, these clues also inform us that time is running out; sooner than you may believe.

Understand what is about to happen but more importantly HOW and WHY. In Episode 01, The Horizon Project Research Team will identify some of the signs that are scattered all over our planet and reveal a shocking truth!"

(what's interesting is that FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) has recently warned about upcoming catastrophic earthquakes in the united states. this is the organization that currently has a plethora of camps constructed. coincidence? hardly.

indeed, we need to be bracing ourselves for tomorrow. time is very short my friends.)

This is what my studies have revealed! That the sixth seal is a polar shift and that it will happen the end of 2010! I have made a map of these events using scripture. I seen the bracing for tomorrow clip a couple years ago which had me looking in scripture for an answer and found it in the sixth seal. This is coming on us soon!!

I posted a thread topic months ago entitled "The Boy From Mars" who spoke of the coming radical polar axis shift (and, of course, the skeptics raised their ugly heads), and he cited the subsequent catastrophic earthquakes and flooding on all the continents due to inertia during the shift when the seas will overrun their boundaries and inundate the low lying lands. This matches my research where I've determined that this event will be caused by the passing of Sirius B, the white dwarf star in the Sirius Binary, because the Sirius Binary and our Solar System are on a collision course; this is what is causing “global warming”… it’s due to the electromagnetic influence from the Sirius Binary which is increasing exponentially as it approaches. Sirius B has an electromagnetic field intensity of an F-1 class star, about one and a half times stronger than our sun’s electromagnetic field. But after this cosmocataclysm happens people will “think” the calamity has passed, BUT THEN… the companion stars to Sirius B, the more MASSIVE star Sirius A (equal in intensity to 40 of our suns in the sky), will follow 7 years later in 2017, incinerating the Earth. It will wipe all human civilization off the face of the planet, only a small “Remnant” will survive, those lucky enough to take refuge in the deep catacombs of the Earth. Meanwhile, it is bringing comets with it as it begins to intrude into the territorial outskirts of our system; one of these will hit Earth in 2012 coming from the star "Wormwood", or Sirius... this is when Satn (the Dragon) will be cast to the Earth, SIMULTANEOUSLY, and the Great tribulation will commence. Note that the coming of Sirius B is the star "personified" throughout history as the Devil, Trickster, Burning Deceiver, Saturn, Pluto, Hades, Osiris, and is the DRAGON... this is why "Wormwood" means "Dragon Tree", for this is the Sirius Binary, Leviathan, and every good astronomical scholar knows that a binary star forms the edicyclodial humps of a SERPENT when it moves across the celestial canopy, caused by the two stars revolving around a common focus.

Isaiah Chapters 24, 24, and 26.


THE EARTH TURNED UPSIDE DOWN

24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
24:2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
24:3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.
24:4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.


THE EARTH HAS BECOME DEFILED

24:5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
24:6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.


SOME DO SURVIVE

24:7 The new wine mourneth, the vine languisheth, all the merryhearted do sigh.
24:8 The mirth of tabrets ceaseth, the noise of them that rejoice endeth, the joy of the harp ceaseth.
24:9 They shall not drink wine with a song; strong drink shall be bitter to them that drink it.


A TOTAL SHUT DOWN OF ALL SERVICES AND ENTERPRISES

24:10 The city of confusion is broken down: every house is shut up, that no man may come in.
24:11 There is a crying for wine in the streets; all joy is darkened, the mirth of the land is gone.


THE CITIES ARE LEFT DESOLATE

24:12 In the city is left desolation, and the gate is smitten with destruction.


BUT SAFETY WILL BE FOUND IN THE MIDST OF THE LAND

24:13 When thus it shall be in the midst of the land among the people, there shall be as the shaking of an olive tree, and as the gleaning grapes when the vintage is done.


THESE PEOPLE WILL PRAISE AND GLORIFY THE LORD

24:14 They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing for the majesty of the LORD, they shall cry aloud from the sea.
24:15 Wherefore glorify ye the LORD in the fires, even the name of the LORD God of Israel in the isles of the sea.
24:16 From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.


THE REST OF THE EARTH IS FULL OF FEAR AND DESTRUCTION

24:17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.


THE EARTH IS BROKEN DOWN AND MOVED EXCEEDINGLY

24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.


THE EARTH AXIS IS OUT OF BALANCE

24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.


THE LORD REIGNS

24:23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.


PRAISE THE LORD IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD

Chapter 25

25:1 O Lord, thou art my God; I will exalt thee, I will praise thy name; for thou hast done wonderful things; thy counsels of old are faithfulness and truth.
25:2 For thou hast made of a city an heap; of a defenced city a ruin: a palace of strangers to be no city; it shall never be built.
25:3 Therefore shall the strong people glorify thee, the city of the terrible nations shall fear thee.


EVERYTHING IS TRANSFORMED FOR THE MEEK OF THE EARTH

25:4 For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.
25:5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.
25:6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.


DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP

25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.


HE THAT ENDURED TO THE END IS SAVED

25:9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.


SAFETY IN THE MOUNTAINS

25:10 For in this mountain shall the hand of the LORD rest, and Moab shall be trodden down under him, even as straw is trodden down for the dunghill.
25:11 And he shall spread forth his hands in the midst of them, as he that swimmeth spreadeth forth his hands to swim: and he shall bring down their pride together with the spoils of their hands.
25:12 And the fortress of the high fort of thy walls shall he bring down, lay low, and bring to the ground, even to the dust.

Chapter 26

26:1 In that day shall this song be sung in the land of Judah; We have a strong city; salvation will God appoint for walls and bulwarks.


THE TRIUMPHANT ENTRY OF GOD’S PEOPLE INTO JERUSALEM

26:2 Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in.
26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.
26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:
26:5 For he bringeth down them that dwell on high; the lofty city, he layeth it low; he layeth it low, even to the ground; he bringeth it even to the dust.
26:6 The foot shall tread it down, even the feet of the poor, and the steps of the needy.
26:7 The way of the just is uprightness: thou, most upright, dost weigh the path of the just.


GOD’S RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT

26:8 Yea, in the way of thy judgments, O LORD, have we waited for thee; the desire of our soul is to thy name, and to the remembrance of thee.
26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.


THE REASON FOR JUDGMENT

26:10 Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.
26:11 LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.
26:12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us.
26:13 O LORD our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.
26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
26:15 Thou hast increased the nation, O LORD, thou hast increased the nation: thou art glorified: thou hadst removed it far unto all the ends of the earth.
26:16 LORD, in trouble have they visited thee, they poured out a prayer when thy chastening was upon them.


BIRTHING THE NATION OF GOD’S OVERCOMERS

26:17 Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD.
26:18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.


THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD

26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.


STAY INSIDE UNTIL THE DESTRUCTION PASSES

26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.


HOW AND WHERE DOES THIS FIT INTO THE BOOK OF REVELATION

Revelation 6:12-17


THIS IS PART OF THE SIXTH SEAL

6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

what needs to be made known is that true christians would of course be exempt from experiencing such horrible wrath. in fact, jesus says they will actually have the opportunity to "escape" the devastation.

"For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man." [luke 21:35-36]

"Because you have obeyed my command to endure, I will keep you from the hour of testing that is coming to the whole world to test those living on the earth." [rev 3:10]

additionally, the following scripture is mentioned not too long after the the sixth seal:

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands..." [rev 7:9]

jesus promised in luke 21 that people will be able to escape the wrath and "stand before the son of man". in revelation 7 there are numerous individuals "standing before the throne and before the lamb". coincidence? hardly.

this "great multitude" can only be the raptured/resurrected "invisible church" of true and genuine christians. believers are promised to be rescued from god's wrath. this begins within the sixth seal, therefore the great multitude must be taken off of the earth before this period of judgment begins.

"For God has not destined us to receive wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus..." [1 thes 5:9]

bible scholar david lowe has written an intriguing and timely book about this subject (read synopsis below):



personally, i believe humanity is indeed nearing the end of this present age. this is my perspective regarding the coming times:

satan and his emissaries have long desired to make "heaven on earth". the false messiah (antichrist) may soon appear, perhaps during or after these upcoming cataclysms, and attempt to lead the planet into a "golden age" after this present one is soon over with. this may very well be the "new world order".

so the situation will be somewhat similar to a burglar attempting to steal a man's bike. the man knows that he never uses his lousy old bike, but rather his new sports car. therefore he is happy to give the burglar his trashy bike.

likewise, god will be happy to give satan and the unbelieving, sinful population planet earth, while his beloved children take their residence in the heavenly realms.

this would be revelation 12 in action:

"The huge dragon was hurled down. That ancient serpent, called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world, was hurled down to the earth, along with its angels. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say, "Now the salvation, the power, the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah have come. For the one who accuses our brothers, who accuses them day and night in the presence of our God, has been thrown out. Our brothers conquered him by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they did not cling to their lives even in the face of death. So be glad, heavens, and those who live in them!"

Astronomers know that our Solar system (in our own galaxie, the Milky Way) is located on one of the outer bands.

We are not getting closer to the inner part of our galaxie. If we were....it would take billions of years... not a few decades.

Also... polar shifts have happened in the past. More than once! There is evidense of this in our geologic record.

But they are not catastrophic and have not ended all life. They do not happen suddenly.. but over a period of time.

As for Nostradomus and the Mayans...

Nostradomus received his information by divination. I would not look to Nostradamus for wisdom about the future.

I would not look to the Pagan Mayans for what the future holds. These are the ones that also worshipped false gods. They thought the Sun was god.

And you want to follow what they have to say???????

When you do those things.... it shows your eyes are not on G-d...but on whatever the devil wants to throw your way to get your eyes off the One and only One that controls it all.

Don't let others come along to decieve you.

The idea of a "pole shift" is not directly described in scripture

The tribulation period will begin with an earthquake of sizable proportion and this is evident by the reaction of humans recorded in the conditions of the 6th seal

This seal is a preview and the prelude leading up to the beginning of the actual tribulation events of the tribulation period

Notice the quake in 6:12

Then notice the same quake in 8:5

The actual judgment events on the earth will not begin until all of the seals are removed from the scroll

The scroll contains the judgments and will not open until all of the seals are removed by the Lord

The 7th seal is a condition of silence in heaven

Notice that Revelation switches back and forth from heaven to the earth during the unfolding of the tribulation period

Chapter 7 tells of a sealing of 144,000 mortals on the earth before the tribulation events are allowed to move forward

This sealing is needed for their protection during the period for the purpose of serving the Lord and carrying His truth to a world under judgment

Then the passage switches back to heaven and the 24 elders and the great multitude is seen around the throne and serving the Lord in His heavenly temple

Then the actual judgments begin on the earth just after the 7th seal is removed and the short silence in heaven

Revelation 8:5 switches back to the earth and the judgments of the tribulation period begin

I would caution about the sensationalism of providing attractions like the "pole shift" idea

This idea is not specifically stated in scripture

These attention getters usually have falsehoods attached which are not readily seen by the curious who are typically not well versed in scripture

It is much like the angler who offers the worm to the fish who does not know that there is a hook present .... and part of the bite

Learn and stick to the scriptures for correct understanding and you will not be deceived

Satan is in the game of fiddling with Bible prophecy for the purpose of misleading into error

It seems that the only "escape" will be by becoming a "Martyr for Christ" BEFORE the cosmocataclysmic onslaught and it appears the final celestial blow will be reserved for the "other inhabitants of the Earth":

Revelation 6:9-11

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.

I think the rapture will come first

Most Christians do. Unfortunately, Corrie Ten-Boone (“The Hiding Place”) after being miraculously released from Auschwitz via Divine Providence was told differently by the Lord God, saying Christians will indeed go through the Tribulation and be martyred for His Namesake. This is why God saved her from the death camp to launch a worldwide ministry to preach this truth and prepare people spiritually for tribulation through building up their Faith in Christ so that they will endure. Satan has contorted the scriptures pertaining to the coming “Resurrection” into this skewed “tradition of men” called the “Rapture”.

This is one of the "hooks" I am talking about

Readers beware of this bottom line rant against the Lord's "harpazo" action for the believer

7T...Of course Christians will go through the tribulation...The ones who heard by the preaching of the 144K or the ones that figured it out to late or perhaps were lucky enough to see people vanish before their very eyes...But God gives the opportunity to escape before time runs out Mr. Toomy..

Surely you don't have a hard time believing in something as supernatural as this 7..

I've always believed that the rapture would come during chaos on earth. And l've always wondered if the stars falling would be because the earth straightened up on it's axis and they appeared to fall? I don't know. Whatever happens l hope l'm watching from beyond the veil.

This really jumped out at me immortality...It's right in line with my wonderings!!

My goodness happy...Thanks for pointing this out. May we never quote the dead to confirm the living!

yes me too...God is good.

Christians dont run from satan,,,,,,for those that are looking to escape,,,,there is an escape alright,,,,its called the mark of the beast,,,,,,,,God keeps people from the hour of temptation by seal of God in there brains,,,not some dissapering act....

When you undrestand that the false Christ will come first you will not be tempted.....

Just for a moment NM, let's say that there's no pretrib. rapture (although there is).. do you think that a born again child of God could not tell the
difference between a man that takes the world leadership thru political means and Jesus Christ who returns to the earth soon after the great
tribulation ends?? Do you believe that? I believe the only ones that would fall for the a/c and the false prophet are those that don't KNOW Jesus
Christ NOW.. and don't particularly want to. These people will have a choice during tribulation who they want to follow for all eternity.
If you know God's word, you could not be deceived, those who want to believe the LIE will be deceived.

God Bless,


taltimbr

Dude it doesnt matter what we think,,,,Christ said that even the Elects were in danger,,,,even the elects,,,,,the bible says the whole world will follow except the elects,,,you are under-estimating satan,,,,he knows how to trick people Hes been doing it for thousands of years.......

You said::::I believe the only ones that would fall for the a/c and the false prophet are those that don't KNOW Jesus

The bible cleary says christians will follow the satan,,,,,people are going to think hes Christ,,,,,,,ist easyto say you wont follow now,,,,,just wait until the miracles start,,,the healings,,,the lightning from the sky,,,,,making the image live,,,,,,,,If you believe your going to be raptured its a very good chance you will be the one in the field who is taken....

Very true.....Christ clearly wrote what will be....in three gospels and yet because a pastor tells them they will be raptured they believe him. Yes, Satan is very strong, very deceitful, and really, really good at taking God's children. And, it will all be done is a loving and gentle fashion...they won't know what hit them until the true Christ arrives. Then...wailing and gnashing of teeth when they suddenly realize. So very sad!

The bible cleary tells that Christ is coming back to earth on the 7th trumph,,,Hes not making no special sneak away trips for scary Christians,,,is coming back as Lord of Lord and King of Kings period......

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

as stated in the horizon project documentary, one or more pole shifts are possible. additionally, contrary to some popular beliefs, the cataclysms will not transpire entirely in the year 2012. in fact, that date may only mark the midpoint on the destructive calendar. we will begin seeing unprecedented catastrophes in this world very soon. in fact, through my research i have concluded that the first pole shift will occur in 2009 - possibly early 2009. if that is the case, then time is truly short, and we need to keep our lamps burning.

also, we should all just face the fact that the coming times will most likely transpire much differently than we have come to believe. those of us who hold dearly to a specific prophetical position/time line/etc may perhaps be the ones most caught off guard.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

i don't claim to know exactly how these coming times will play out. i of course have some theories i lean towards. but above all i have found the most intelligent thing to do is keep an open mind. let's expect the unexpected.

[by the way, 20,000 new troops are going to be eventually deployed in the united states "trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe". here's the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...ml?hpid=topnews

they know what's coming (terrorist attack and the upcoming cataclysms)].

An open mind kinda sound like itchy ears to me.......Why would we need to Keep a open mind????????Christ as told us over and over again whats going to happen,,,,,,,,,,Hes not coming back until satan is revealed,,,,,,the elects will give testimony against satan......When Christ scomes he will gether the elects from the earth,,,hmmmmm Christ going to do that if were not even here??????

Very good, Nightmare. Many like Miki and Stephen are deluded by the "traditions of men" veiling their eyes with religiosity that unfortunately puffs up their egos with delusional "electism". God's whole PATTERN in the scriptures is contrary to what these two weave out of their scripture-hopping-smorgasbord techniques, for the PATTERN is that His Righteous Ones REMAIN in the MIDST of the calamity and are DIVINELY PROTECTED if they merely obey His commands. Noah, the Eight Righteous Ones, weren't taken away by the Flood; the WICKED were. The PATTERN is that it's the WICKED who are taken away as Amos cited in those who "desire the Day of the Lord... for them it is darkness and NOT Light," for they are taken to the OUTER DARKNESS where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth. It was the Righteous who were protected in the Ark in the MIDST of the calamity. The same is true with the Hebrews in Goshen when God's judgments fell on Egypt. The Hebrews were not magically flown away to safety in the clouds, but rather they REMAINED in the MIDST of the GREAT JUDGMENTS and in the midst of the calamities; and God DIVINELY PROTECTED them if they obeyed His commands, like when they placed the SEAL of the LAMB'S BLOOD on their doorposts causing the Angel of Death to pass over (Passover). The same PATTERN is established with the three men, Sidrach, Misach, and Abdenago, cast into the MIDST of the furnace, and they were safe with the Presence of Christ, Himself, who DIVINELY PROTECTED them in the very MIDST of the fire that was even magnified in great intensity by the king’s orders.

It is so simple… the PATTERN has been established right there in the scriptures, yet these delusional detractors (causing countless to stumble: I wouldn’t want to be Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins, authors of the “Left Behind” DELUSION, when they meet their Maker… it won’t be a pretty picture) manufacture all kinds of false doctrine; and as a result they have been purposely blinded by God, Himself, due to their love for the “traditions of men”, and to these ones Christ is not their FIRST LOVE, but their “Rapture” is their FIRST LOVE; and this is why they will be cast to the Outer Darkness by Satan’s False Rapture; God will allow it; Amos has said it shall transpire and Christ has said it also, saying it is the “DELUSION” that He will send and grant them "so that they shall believe a LIE"; and its consequences are as Christ said: “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew (VOMIT) thee out of my mouth.” (Rev. 3:16) Yes, many are blind to God’s TRUTH and also blind to Satan's deceptions and will walk freely with open arms right into his trap, Satan's False Rapture, which shall come FIRST.

Obviously, it is possible that God's "elect" shall be deceived.

-7

Nightmare,

I think that what it means is like during the time of Jesus on earth, they expected a "king" with all of it's fanfare what they got was a man on a donkey. What is to come may surprise a lot of people, not what God will do but how it is perceived. I myself without images would have not known how people in previous times dressed as an example, point being made is that you are so right that some have itchy ears but an "open mind" is open to the Holy Spirit and His revelations also.

These are turbulent times like none before and some will not believe until or during those things He said would happen actually happen. Personally I think it's fantastic to see history as it unfolds according to Our Lord plan.

God bless you Dear,
Bb

I just cant stand the fact that fake teachers are turning christians into punks,,,,,,,I mean get real,, the ultimate enemy is coming down to earth,,,and rather then put on the armor and face satan,,,people wanna run/fly away from him?????????

Christians have a duty,,,,and that duty is well record in matthew 24,,,,are job is to wait and watch for the true Lord,,,,we are to continue working until the Lord returns and when he returns:::::

45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season????????

Yes God will protect His people, I wonder if many have seen the video about the Christians in China who count it a blessing to literally and presently suffer for Christ. There are many others of course in other country who stand and face the enemy as we speak. I think they will be more prepared for what's to come than other.
Rev. 18:24 is clear that none is immune to suffering and persecution.
"And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth".
Rev. 13:15 "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."


But Our Father said that He we will be spared His wrath, which is much worst than we could ever imagine.

We however have a promise for the coming tribulations, whether we are spared or come out of them, this is where we will be:

13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Amen! In verse 14 it does not say how they came out, just that they did. Maybe they were persecuted, snatched away, died of natural death, car accident... who knows, what we know is that they came out and they will be happy with Jesus, I want to be one of them, do you?


I love you guys,
Bb

WW says;

Now just a minute here WW...I told you my church had all 3 ...pre mid and post...My Pastor doesn't dictate but is not shy to state what his interpretation is.

The people in my church think for themselves...just like here on this forum. Someone has deluded you about the modern church. You shouldn't believe everything you hear. I'm here to testify to you that my Church isn't anything like you're deceived into thinking it is. Will you accept this or will you and 7 still try to lump everybody into one great big pork barrell? Said in love of course...

7T.. Using big letters won't change anything...lol

Knowing what will happen, what our role is, in the end of days is vital. Christ told us exactly what it is. For a pastor to have any other ideas or be teaching his flock anything but that means that he is misled and is misleading others. As I said before....this isn't a piece of scripture that can be bandied about and each of us have different ideas.

Every one, each of us, believes we "think for ourselves," but...do we? It is very difficult to have a person in authority, one believed to be completely knowledgeable in the Word, stand in front of us and teach rapture without most unconditionally believing them.

They teach believers will be flown away and what they should teach is what the end will be like. They need to teach that the fake will be here pretending to be Christ. People are not being prepared and it is frightening. This is no game! Being "saved" is NOT ENOUGH if you are here during Satan's tribulation for the question will be.....which one are you "saved" to?

11 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Just as I thought, Miki goes to a "Smorgasbord Church" where they pick and choose whatever vain theology they desire for the day's whim.

Miki, I always post all my comments in size 4 letters because I like the way it looks; despite your false assumptions. LOL!

The crud I see here is hard to believe
as I see it (your opinion will probably vary)

There are lots of pointers for a catastrophy at the end of 2012, lots of people believe it and so it is
entirely possible that it becomes a self fullfilling prophecy, any way I see it it ends in destruction.

Christians or any other religion for that matter who think God/the son of God/ the Grand son of God
is going to do all the dirty work himself and the true believers will get a free and safe ride is in for
a rude but short shock.
A "CHRISTIAN" IS ONE WHO WILL PUT HIS SOUL AND LIFE ON THE LINE FOR GOD.
One who will "STAND TO" when the time comes and enter physical battle with the devil and his disciple's
and send them back to the hell from where they came.
A person who proclaims to be christian but will not fight with his real life and soul is nothing but a coward
and in league with the devil.

God has already sent his GRAND SON to earth to lead the grand army of God into the final battle.
I know I stood before him at his birth!
When he comes of age and stands before me
I AM READY TO "STAND TO"

ARE YOU??????

Armageddon will have no spectators
You are either part of the soloution
or part of the problem

I say this to all TRUE christians out there
"GROW A SET, GROW A BIG SET YOU WILL NEED THEM"

You can say what ever you want 7..I know where l go to church and the years of evidence have proven those in authority have a heart after God...even though there are mistakes. God corrects and is merciful according to the heart of intent... which God is an expert at seeking out.

You flew the coop along time ago. Why don't you get out of the business world and get into a humble church and submit to someone you consider less then yourself...(it shouldn't be hard to find someone who actually fits that measure in your estimation)...Then you can learn what humility is all about.

"God has already sent his GRAND SON to earth to lead the grand army of God into the final battle.
I know I stood before him at his birth!
When he comes of age and stands before me
I AM READY TO "STAND TO""

>This statement is fully of blasphemy

QUESTION ? The Sixth Seal, Pole Shift, And The End Of The Age




The topic is the 6th Seal. Involves the EARTHQUAKE/WRATH OF THE LAMB & FOUR ANGELS
AND THEIR ARMY . . .

Did you notice in the Church of Philadelphia, you have the KEY OF DAVID, in verse 7 ?


And how many points are outlined in the diagram ? Answer, ' six ' ! What seal are we talking
about ? Answer, ' sixth ' !


And verse 10, tells about KEY OF DAVID/CHURCH OF PHILADELPHIA/6TH SEAL . . .
this instruction :


. . . I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.



WHAT IS THE KEY OF DAVID/CHURCH OF PHILADELPHIA/6TH SEAL timeframe, being
kept from in the hour of temptation ?


KEPT FROM WHAT ?






Revelation 3


7And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

13He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Miki it's funny how you always "think" you know all about me. Nothing you have ever said or assumed about me has even remotely come close. As always, ever since your very first post "against" me (and Christ in me) in January of 2007, it is really about you, because when you look at me and criticize what you see, in reality it is Christ in me who acts as a mirror and reflects back to you the real you, your very own image, which you "think" is me. People become that which they hate, and all the criticism you post against me is actually your own self-criticism and self-hatred. All those with discernment on this Forum can clearly see this. I truly don't know if one day you ever will.

"All those with discernment on this Forum can clearly see this"

>You are very presumptuous ..... "all with discernment on this forum"

>I do not think so

>You expose yourself by your conspiracy rantings and wild tales of falsehood

>One might as well read batman comic books

>Any who knows the scriptures can see your game

>This is not spiritual discernment at all .... nothing but racially biased bigotry and political jargon

>These things do not come from the scriptures

>"Pole shift" ? ..... show this from the scriptures

I happen to know the website where you get this junk

Dump it and seek the truth

In defamation of character, you have two ball teams, the cheering crowd and a
refreshment stand.


() Team #1
Throws the `out`, as team #2 trys to slide into 1st base . . .


YOUR OUT !


The Crowd cheers !


Why is it not possible to express points of view, with courtesy ?


What makes the sporting event interesting, is the sportsmanship.

What is not cool, is having a cheering crowd in the hot sun, without some refreshments,
gets ICE WATER thrown into their faces.


Serve other's with courtesy in debate, do not throw ice water on their faces, give
them a cup of water, as the scripture tells us to do.

Revelation 6:14
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

God did not specified how but can you imagine mountains, islands moved out of their places? Pole shift perhaps, we will see!
Bless you,
Bb

Well, I do have genuine spiritual discernment and this is your real spirit of self-righteous religiosity; you “think” you are wise, but God says you are a fool:

“Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips to honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.” (Is 29:13-14, KJV)

The Lord said, "These people claim to worship me, but their words are meaningless, and their hearts are somewhere else. Their religion is nothing but human rules and traditions, which they have simply memorized. So I will startle them with one unexpected blow after another. Those who are wise will turn out to be fools, and all their cleverness will be useless." (Is 29:13-14 GNB)

Furthermore: 1 Corinthians 1:18-31 "I will destroy the wisdom of all who claim to be wise. I will confuse those who think they know so much."

Maybe your right Galaxee,,,,but remember in the book of Revelation mountains are nations, and they might not be moved, but removed and not exist as governing bodies.........

The Bible speaks of no "pole shift"

Earthquakes are scheduled

This idea of a turning of the earth upside down is ridiculous

It is the idea of those who speak sensationalism for attracting attention and then mixing these things with scripture

Be sure to look under the cover for falsehoods when investigating this type of fabrication

If a pole shift to any degree happened the earth would be totally destroyed

The scriptures tell differently

This earth will stage the tribulation period and the Lord's coming millennial kingdom

7T...what l know about you is on this forum..enough said.

You have no intention of laying down your methodology..numerology nor your assumed cosmic conscientiouness...

It's not about any of those things. You are in fact the one who purports to know through those things ..above scripture..hidden knowledge that only the intelligent few (you think) are previ to...You even quote the quatrain like it's no biggie..

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/...50112194812.htm
NASA Details Earthquake Effects On The Earth
ScienceDaily (Jan. 14, 2005) — NASA scientists using data from the Indonesian earthquake calculated it affected Earth's rotation, decreased the length of day, slightly changed the planet's shape, and shifted the North Pole by centimeters. The earthquake that created the huge tsunami also changed the Earth's rotation.

They also study changes in polar motion that is shifting the North Pole. The "mean North pole" was shifted by about 2.5 centimeters (1 inch) in the direction of 145 degrees East Longitude. This shift east is continuing a long-term seismic trend identified in previous studies.

The devastating mega thrust earthquake occurred as a result of the India and Burma plates coming together. It was caused by the release of stresses that developed as the India plate slid beneath the overriding Burma plate. The fault dislocation, or earthquake, consisted of a downward sliding of one plate relative to the overlying plate. The net effect was a slightly more compact Earth. The India plate began its descent into the mantle at the Sunda trench that lies west of the earthquake's epicenter. For information and images on the Web, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingat...esia_quake.html .

For details on the Sumatra, Indonesia Earthquake, visit the USGS Internet site:

http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_slav_ts.html .

For information about NASA and agency programs Web, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov .

JPL is managed for NASA by the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/tran...quake&t=KJV



(earthquake)
occurs 16 times in 13 verses in the KJV
Page 1 / 1 (1Ki 19:11 - Rev 16:18)


Act 16:26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.





http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/tran...KJV&page=21

(earth)
occurs 987 times in 906 verses in the KJV
Page 21 / 37 (Isa 14:7 - Isa 26:21)


Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet [thee] at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, [even] all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.



Isa 24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.








Isa 24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b...18&t=KJV#18

Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, [that] he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.


Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.


Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.