If you look at these passages closely you will see that the flood of Noah was not worldwide......
Genesis 11:1 "And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."
All people and nations of the earth had the same language and understanding of speech. This aided in the forming of Nimrod's one world order. Nimrods role plays a big part in the endtime maybe someone can touch on it later......
Genesis 11:2 "And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there." Who journeyed???????
"Shinar" is the area where Iraq is located today. The migration of the early civilizations were to the east of Iraq.........
Genesis 11:3 "And they said one to another, "Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for mortar.
in the Hebrew text the word for slime was "bitumen",
[2564 chemar (khay-mawr'); from 2560; bitumen (as rising to the surface): -slime (-pit).]
Genesis 11:4 And they said, "Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth."
Here is the key:::::::
In the Hebrew text, "let us make us a great name", reads, let us provide our own salvation."
Why were these people trying to provide there own salvation?????????Because they did not believe God....
What were they trying to do??????????? They were building a tower to heaven so they could escape the next flood (even though God said he would not flood again)---
Do you see and understand?????There were many who made it throught the flood and they knew the devastation that came, upon the earth,,,,, and that it was caused by God......This was not Noah and his family that built this tower it was those that were not consumed by the flood who instead of leaning to God for salvation would make there own salvation (bunch of idiots)
Full Version: Flood V.s. Tower
I see more of Murray's serpent seed talk in the above post
Thanks for posting his ignorance of the scriptures
Here is the truth about the matter:
Genesis
7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
7:14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth.
9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
Thanks for posting his ignorance of the scriptures
Here is the truth about the matter:
Genesis
7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
7:14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth.
9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
QUOTE (Stephen @ Nov 28 2008, 03:48 PM) 
I see more of Murray's serpent seed talk in the above post
Thanks for posting his ignorance of the scriptures
Here is the truth about the matter:
Genesis
7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
7:14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth.
9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
Thanks for posting his ignorance of the scriptures
Here is the truth about the matter:
Genesis
7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
7:14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth.
9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
Well Stephen,,,,,I was talking to some people a while back,,,,all very cool people,,,,some believe it was worldwide some believe it wasnt,,,,,but we never fought about it our called names or started trouble from it......
We simply discussed it,,,if you wanna discuss it then we can,,,,but I can see many people moving away from you,,,,,,Im not trying to fight and name call with you,,,,,If you wanna fight
im in California and have legitimate resources of getting you a well accommodated first class flight out here 
,,,where you can lace them up,,, and let the sweet science take over.... 
Other then that,,,,, if you just wanna discuss it im cool
with that........But lets be reasonable "FLOOD" is just a random subject,,,, believing in a whole world flood or a not whole flood wont send you to hell.......
Well of course I always have many many questions,,,,but I,,, people learn very different,,,and one just it me,,,let me see if I can throw it together right quick..........
If God flooded the whole earth in Genesis 7 can someone please tell me how the hell was the world already covered with people by chapter 11???????????
1And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
What whole earth,,,, just 4 chapters ago it was only 8 people right?????
Well my proof of the flood not being worldwide,,,,, does not consist of what I just said,,,,,I just thought of it,,,,but maybe someone can crunch the numbers to see if its possible to cover the whole earth with people within a time frame of Genesis chp 7 to 11
If God flooded the whole earth in Genesis 7 can someone please tell me how the hell was the world already covered with people by chapter 11???????????
1And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
What whole earth,,,, just 4 chapters ago it was only 8 people right?????
Well my proof of the flood not being worldwide,,,,, does not consist of what I just said,,,,,I just thought of it,,,,but maybe someone can crunch the numbers to see if its possible to cover the whole earth with people within a time frame of Genesis chp 7 to 11
I humbly suggest you pay some respect to Stephen, whose knowledge of the Scruiptures far exceeds yours.
And stop your threats against fellow members please?
I know you are frantically looking for ways which you call debates to further try to confuse the Word.
And stop your threats against fellow members please?
I know you are frantically looking for ways which you call debates to further try to confuse the Word.
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Nov 28 2008, 04:34 PM)
I humbly suggest you pay some respect to Stephen, whose knowledge of the Scruiptures far exceeds yours.
And stop your threats against fellow members please?
I know you are frantically looking for ways which you call debates to further try to confuse the Word.
And stop your threats against fellow members please?
I know you are frantically looking for ways which you call debates to further try to confuse the Word.
Well I just want to discuss the word,,,,and it should be without a fight,,,,,If you wanna pay respect to Stephen then do it,,,I wont,,,,I will show him respect as a human being and a believer in Christ.......
As far as believing Stephen knows more then me (laughable) but im not here to compare powerlevels for you must know how to use it.....
O and thanks for the scripture you left very edifying
I will wait till I see the respect that I would expect from a brother in Christ.
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Nov 28 2008, 03:48 PM)
I will wait till I see the respect that I would expect from a brother in Christ.
Well its easy to show respect to those who treat you well,,,,,its alot harder to do it when people treat you like crap,,,,,,but in many ways you still have to do it,,,,,See im all about powerlevels but to complete the armor you must pick up this trait....
besides it waist 2 much reading and studying time on the fight post......
Fair enough, then I wait for proper english, for your typo's must have scrambled the message.
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Nov 28 2008, 03:58 PM)
Fair enough, then I wait for proper english, for your typo's must have scrambled the message.
Dont wait to long,,,Ill never type proper ,,,,,,I wonder if GOd will take my typing into consideration on judgement
Prov.15
[2] The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
Sir.20
[7] A wise man will hold his tongue till he see opportunity: but a babbler and a fool will regard no time.
[2] The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
Sir.20
[7] A wise man will hold his tongue till he see opportunity: but a babbler and a fool will regard no time.
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Nov 28 2008, 04:01 PM)
Prov.15
[2] The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
Sir.20
[7] A wise man will hold his tongue till he see opportunity: but a babbler and a fool will regard no time.
[2] The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
Sir.20
[7] A wise man will hold his tongue till he see opportunity: but a babbler and a fool will regard no time.
So does that mean you have a take on the flood of Noah?????Or are you here to examine my relationship with Stephen???
You wrote:
That is a threat to Stephen. I have no problem with refreshing your memory if that helps you.
QUOTE
We simply discussed it,,,if you wanna discuss it then we can,,,,but I can see many people moving away from you,,,,,,Im not trying to fight and name call with you,,,,,If you wanna fight im in California and have legitimate resources of getting you a well accommodated first class flight out here ,,,where you can lace them up,,, and let the sweet science take over....
That is a threat to Stephen. I have no problem with refreshing your memory if that helps you.
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Nov 28 2008, 04:09 PM)
You wrote:
That is a threat to Stephen. I have no problem with refreshing your memory if that helps you.
QUOTE
We simply discussed it,,,if you wanna discuss it then we can,,,,but I can see many people moving away from you,,,,,,Im not trying to fight and name call with you,,,,,If you wanna fight im in California and have legitimate resources of getting you a well accommodated first class flight out here ,,,where you can lace them up,,, and let the sweet science take over....
That is a threat to Stephen. I have no problem with refreshing your memory if that helps you.
Thats not a threat,,,,,,,where you from???????,,,,,flying some one out to participate in a sport is not a threat,,,,Stephen obviously has some aggression he wants to take out on me,,,ok fine,,,,,,,,,,we can play hoop,,,,but hows he gonna stop my crossover?????
See its funny how you jump in taking Stephen side,,,and really you like a dofe( uninformed) in doing it,,,,,,
I started a thread talking about The flood of Noah,,,,,,,,and got::::::
I see more of Murray's serpent seed talk in the above post
Serpent seed????????Im talking about a flood that was world wide or not ,,,,,,,not a serpent seed.........
The number of question marks does not emphasize the strength of your words, they merely distract.
Further, Stephen has quoted for you the Scripture that no other was saved except the Life in the Ark.
And finally, if that was not a threat, then we establish that as a fact: Stephen there is no threat even if it can be perceived as such.
In that case, I will withdraw from this thread.
Further, Stephen has quoted for you the Scripture that no other was saved except the Life in the Ark.
And finally, if that was not a threat, then we establish that as a fact: Stephen there is no threat even if it can be perceived as such.
In that case, I will withdraw from this thread.
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Nov 28 2008, 04:26 PM)
The number of question marks does not emphasize the strength of your words, they merely distract.
Further, Stephen has quoted for you the Scripture that no other was saved except the Life in the Ark.
And finally, if that was not a threat, then we establish that as a fact: Stephen there is no threat even if it can be perceived as such.
In that case, I will withdraw from this thread.
Further, Stephen has quoted for you the Scripture that no other was saved except the Life in the Ark.
And finally, if that was not a threat, then we establish that as a fact: Stephen there is no threat even if it can be perceived as such.
In that case, I will withdraw from this thread.
Yes Stephen posted scripture but he started the post off like a jerk,,,but whatever I replyed to his post # 2 with post # 4 ...
The only thing that has been a distraction is you never getting around to focusing on the topic after you were asked to do so......
Now you want to lash out on me? Go ahead.
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Nov 28 2008, 04:33 PM)
Now you want to lash out on me? Go ahead.
Please dont play that role,,,as if someone is harming you are lashing out at you........
All I did want ask you to post scripture,,,,,
So asking you to post scripture is lashing out??????
And as one reads this thread so far you have not posted one ounce of scripture pertaining to the subject not one.......
Didnt you withdraw from this thread???????
"Didnt you withdraw from this thread???????"
>I will .... for the present
>Because I know you want attention for nefarious ambitions
>Those who throw tantrums should not be given attention
>This is child psychology 101
>I will .... for the present
>Because I know you want attention for nefarious ambitions
>Those who throw tantrums should not be given attention
>This is child psychology 101
QUOTE (Stephen @ Nov 28 2008, 05:24 PM)
>I will for the present
>Because I know you want attention
>Those who through tantrums should not be given attention
>This is child psychology 101
>Because I know you want attention
>Those who through tantrums should not be given attention
>This is child psychology 101
A tantrum?????Im sitting down at a computer sore,,,and about to fall asleep,,,,,well first more apple pie......
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 28 2008, 01:55 PM)
If you look at these passages closely you will see that the flood of Noah was not worldwide......
Genesis 11:1 "And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."
All people and nations of the earth had the same language and understanding of speech. This aided in the forming of Nimrod's one world order. Nimrods role plays a big part in the endtime maybe someone can touch on it later......
Genesis 11:2 "And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there." Who journeyed???????
"Shinar" is the area where Iraq is located today. The migration of the early civilizations were to the east of Iraq.........
Genesis 11:3 "And they said one to another, "Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for mortar.
in the Hebrew text the word for slime was "bitumen",
[2564 chemar (khay-mawr'); from 2560; bitumen (as rising to the surface): -slime (-pit).]
Genesis 11:4 And they said, "Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth."
Here is the key:::::::
In the Hebrew text, "let us make us a great name", reads, let us provide our own salvation."
Why were these people trying to provide there own salvation?????????Because they did not believe God....
What were they trying to do??????????? They were building a tower to heaven so they could escape the next flood (even though God said he would not flood again)---
Do you see and understand?????There were many who made it throught the flood and they knew the devastation that came, upon the earth,,,,, and that it was caused by God......This was not Noah and his family that built this tower it was those that were not consumed by the flood who instead of leaning to God for salvation would make there own salvation (bunch of idiots)
Genesis 11:1 "And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."
All people and nations of the earth had the same language and understanding of speech. This aided in the forming of Nimrod's one world order. Nimrods role plays a big part in the endtime maybe someone can touch on it later......
Genesis 11:2 "And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there." Who journeyed???????
"Shinar" is the area where Iraq is located today. The migration of the early civilizations were to the east of Iraq.........
Genesis 11:3 "And they said one to another, "Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for mortar.
in the Hebrew text the word for slime was "bitumen",
[2564 chemar (khay-mawr'); from 2560; bitumen (as rising to the surface): -slime (-pit).]
Genesis 11:4 And they said, "Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth."
Here is the key:::::::
In the Hebrew text, "let us make us a great name", reads, let us provide our own salvation."
Why were these people trying to provide there own salvation?????????Because they did not believe God....
What were they trying to do??????????? They were building a tower to heaven so they could escape the next flood (even though God said he would not flood again)---
Do you see and understand?????There were many who made it throught the flood and they knew the devastation that came, upon the earth,,,,, and that it was caused by God......This was not Noah and his family that built this tower it was those that were not consumed by the flood who instead of leaning to God for salvation would make there own salvation (bunch of idiots)
ok this is really very simple if we just look at the word of God. If we want to know who the people in gen 11 are we have to look at gen 10 for the info.
Gen 10:1 Now these [are] the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
Gen 10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
Gen 10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
Gen 10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
Gen 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.
Gen 10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
Gen 10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
Gen 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.
Gen 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
Gen 10:11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
Gen 10:12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same [is] a great city.
Gen 10:13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
Gen 10:14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.
Gen 10:15 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth,
Gen 10:16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,
Gen 10:17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
Gen 10:18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.
Gen 10:19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.
Gen 10:20 These [are] the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, [and] in their nations.
Gen 10:21 Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were [children] born.
Gen 10:22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.
Gen 10:23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.
Gen 10:24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.
Gen 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one [was] Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name [was] Joktan.
Gen 10:26 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,
Gen 10:27 And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah,
Gen 10:28 And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba,
Gen 10:29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these [were] the sons of Joktan.
Gen 10:30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east.
Gen 10:31 These [are] the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.
Gen 10:32 These [are] the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.
Gen 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
Gen 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top [may reach] unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Now we are told in gen 10:10 WHO went to this place and built a city and a tower there.
Gen 10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
Gen 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.
Gen 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
So we see that it is NIMROD who went to shinar and made cities even BABEL. we see from chapters 10 AND 11 that CUSH begat NIMROD and CUSH is the Son of HAM and HAM is the SON of NOAH.
the word of God is clear all these people are the ones who filled the earth with people, and these were the ONLY people, and no one lived through the flood but these people and the flood was world wide
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
Hbr 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
"the word of God is clear all these people are the ones who filled the earth with people, and these were the ONLY people, and no one lived through the flood but these people and the flood was world wide"
>This is truth
>The Ararat chain peaks out at over 20,000 feet
>If water covered the tops of these mountains then it would be absurd for one to think that the entire earth was not covered with water
>Some purpose that the flood was local and this is done to support false teaching
>A prime example is Arnold Murray who teaches that humans other than Noah's generation were not affected by the flood .... and that Cain's descendants survived the deluge
>This is done to promote the story of the serpent seed doctrine of the Kenites and related aberrant falsehoods
>This teaching is a gross perversion of scripture across the board
>This is truth
>The Ararat chain peaks out at over 20,000 feet
>If water covered the tops of these mountains then it would be absurd for one to think that the entire earth was not covered with water
>Some purpose that the flood was local and this is done to support false teaching
>A prime example is Arnold Murray who teaches that humans other than Noah's generation were not affected by the flood .... and that Cain's descendants survived the deluge
>This is done to promote the story of the serpent seed doctrine of the Kenites and related aberrant falsehoods
>This teaching is a gross perversion of scripture across the board
It is not wise to contest and confuse the Word of God, even when calling it debate, it is playing with the Fire of the Lord.
"It is not wise to contest and confuse the Word of God, even when calling it debate, it is playing with the Fire of the Lord"
>A fact of enormous significance
>A fact of enormous significance
QUOTE (Stephen @ Nov 28 2008, 06:19 PM)
"It is not wise to contest and confuse the Word of God, even when calling it debate, it is playing with the Fire of the Lord"
>A fact of enormous significance
>A fact of enormous significance
This is a FORUM.
It's an opportunity to engage in open discussion of Bible topics for the purpose of education and edification.
If the topic offends you, extend common courtesy to the posters by simply moving on.
Don't think of yourself as moderator or mediator... or 'honorable magistrate". Just move on... and allow fellow forum members the opportunity to discuss issues as they relate to God's Word.
None of us... including you... have "arrived" yet. Give others common forum courtesy!
THANK YOU!
You have highjacked NIGHTMARE'S thread. You owe NIGHTMARE an apology!
Except Jesuits/Illuminati/Masons of course, right Annie?
Oh I forgot to mention the BlueSkuls
Oh I forgot to mention the BlueSkuls
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Nov 28 2008, 06:45 PM)
Except Jesuits of course, right Annie?
Makes no sense, CobbiStephen is a man... is he not. He doesn't need a woman? to answer for him. I am sure he can answer for himself!
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Nov 28 2008, 06:45 PM)
Except Jesuits/Illuminati/Masons of course, right Annie?
Oh I forgot to mention the BlueSkuls
Oh I forgot to mention the BlueSkuls
OH YES... LABRYS, COMMON, FEARLESS, JUSTICE, THIS WIND, ESTEVIENTO (this wind) all the same person.
... and now Josepha Cobbi !
One and the same!
A few days ago I came across the phrase....around the whole earth, or something to that effect when it was obviously in their area of the world. I marked it in my Bible but didn't write down where to find it. I'll keep looking but the point is it may well have been the same type of phrase used as was in Noah's flood. So, I don't yet know if the flood was world wide or their area of the world. I know the flood was to rid the world of the giants, angel offspring....were they in that one area or everywhere?
Water levels that covered the Ararat mountain range answers the question by simple logic not to mention the fact that the scriptures confirm a world wide flood with no flesh surviving except Noah and family
17,000 to 20,000 feet of water could not be standing in the northern Middle East and leave other parts of the earth dry
20,000 feet is a depth of 3.78 miles
Did others build boats?
The scriptures say no .... only Noah
In fact the world was not even expecting judgment
As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be .... carrying on with life, and the flood came and took them all away
Luke
17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man [His coming judgment].
17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
17,000 to 20,000 feet of water could not be standing in the northern Middle East and leave other parts of the earth dry
20,000 feet is a depth of 3.78 miles
Did others build boats?
The scriptures say no .... only Noah
In fact the world was not even expecting judgment
As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be .... carrying on with life, and the flood came and took them all away
Luke
17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man [His coming judgment].
17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Well to understand that the flood was not worldwide,,,,,, one must understand what was happening during this time...........
The fallen angels were on earth,,,having sex with the Adamic women.....
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The fallen angels were doing this because they knew Christ would come through the Adamic bloodline,,,,so if they could contaminate it ,,,Christ couldn't be born.....(Christ had to be born pure)
So the fallen angels had mixed into all the Adamic blood.......except one family,,,Noahs.......SO GOd spared Noah and eventually Christ would be born through Noah.....
Ok well whos been doing there research?????????????/
The word translated "earth" the Hebrew 'erets (Strong's No. 776) and in this case means the land. It is not talking about the entire Earth but to the specific area where the Adamic people lived.
Here are the definitions from the logos Hebrew
AV - land 1543, earth 712, country 140, ground 98, world 4, way 3, common 1, field 1, nations 1, wilderness + 4057 1; 2504
GK - 824 { $r,a,
1) land, earth
1a) earth
1a1) whole earth (as opposed to a part)
1a2) earth (as opposed to heaven)
1a3) earth (inhabitants)
1b) land
1b1) country, territory
1b2) district, region
1b3) tribal territory
1b4) piece of ground
1b5) land of Canaan, Israel
1b6) inhabitants of land
1b7) Sheol, land without return, (under) world
1b8) city (-state)
1c) ground, surface of the earth
1c1) ground
1c2) soil
1d) (in phrases)
1d1) people of the land
1d2) space or distance of country (in measurements of distance)
1d3) level or plain country
1d4) land of the living
1d5) end(s) of the earth
1e) (almost wholly late in usage)
1e1) lands, countries
1e1a) often in contrast to Canaan
So we are talking about a land,,,,, we are not talking about the entire earth,,,just a specific land where the Adamics lived and where the fallen ones invaded.....
The fallen angels were on earth,,,having sex with the Adamic women.....
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The fallen angels were doing this because they knew Christ would come through the Adamic bloodline,,,,so if they could contaminate it ,,,Christ couldn't be born.....(Christ had to be born pure)
So the fallen angels had mixed into all the Adamic blood.......except one family,,,Noahs.......SO GOd spared Noah and eventually Christ would be born through Noah.....
Ok well whos been doing there research?????????????/
The word translated "earth" the Hebrew 'erets (Strong's No. 776) and in this case means the land. It is not talking about the entire Earth but to the specific area where the Adamic people lived.
Here are the definitions from the logos Hebrew
AV - land 1543, earth 712, country 140, ground 98, world 4, way 3, common 1, field 1, nations 1, wilderness + 4057 1; 2504
GK - 824 { $r,a,
1) land, earth
1a) earth
1a1) whole earth (as opposed to a part)
1a2) earth (as opposed to heaven)
1a3) earth (inhabitants)
1b) land
1b1) country, territory
1b2) district, region
1b3) tribal territory
1b4) piece of ground
1b5) land of Canaan, Israel
1b6) inhabitants of land
1b7) Sheol, land without return, (under) world
1b8) city (-state)
1c) ground, surface of the earth
1c1) ground
1c2) soil
1d) (in phrases)
1d1) people of the land
1d2) space or distance of country (in measurements of distance)
1d3) level or plain country
1d4) land of the living
1d5) end(s) of the earth
1e) (almost wholly late in usage)
1e1) lands, countries
1e1a) often in contrast to Canaan
So we are talking about a land,,,,, we are not talking about the entire earth,,,just a specific land where the Adamics lived and where the fallen ones invaded.....
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 29 2008, 09:00 PM)
Well to understand that the flood was not worldwide,,,,,, one must understand what was happening during this time...........
The fallen angels were on earth,,,having sex with the Adamic women.....
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The fallen angels were doing this because they knew Christ would come through the Adamic bloodline,,,,so if they could contaminate it ,,,Christ couldn't be born.....(Christ had to be born pure)
So the fallen angels had mixed into all the Adamic blood.......except one family,,,Noahs.......SO GOd spared Noah and eventually Christ would be born through Noah.....
The fallen angels were on earth,,,having sex with the Adamic women.....
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The fallen angels were doing this because they knew Christ would come through the Adamic bloodline,,,,so if they could contaminate it ,,,Christ couldn't be born.....(Christ had to be born pure)
So the fallen angels had mixed into all the Adamic blood.......except one family,,,Noahs.......SO GOd spared Noah and eventually Christ would be born through Noah.....
~
not even close to the truth NIGHTMARE.
The watchers who fell and mated with woman didn't know anything except lust and worthless science. Their children's Spirits are the evil spirits that roam the earth today and have taught men evil and sin.
Enoch 8
1 And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all
2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they
3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Êzêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven...
Enoch 15
8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon
9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin;
10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.]
11 And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless
12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.
Enoch 16
3 "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth."
4 Say to them therefore: "You have no peace."'
~
QUOTE (endtime @ Nov 30 2008, 01:37 AM)
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 29 2008, 09:00 PM)
Well to understand that the flood was not worldwide,,,,,, one must understand what was happening during this time...........
The fallen angels were on earth,,,having sex with the Adamic women.....
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The fallen angels were doing this because they knew Christ would come through the Adamic bloodline,,,,so if they could contaminate it ,,,Christ couldn't be born.....(Christ had to be born pure)
So the fallen angels had mixed into all the Adamic blood.......except one family,,,Noahs.......SO GOd spared Noah and eventually Christ would be born through Noah.....
The fallen angels were on earth,,,having sex with the Adamic women.....
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The fallen angels were doing this because they knew Christ would come through the Adamic bloodline,,,,so if they could contaminate it ,,,Christ couldn't be born.....(Christ had to be born pure)
So the fallen angels had mixed into all the Adamic blood.......except one family,,,Noahs.......SO GOd spared Noah and eventually Christ would be born through Noah.....
~
not even close to the truth NIGHTMARE.
The watchers who fell and mated with woman didn't know anything except lust and worthless science. Their children's Spirits are the evil spirits that roam the earth today and have taught men evil and sin.
Enoch 8
1 And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all
2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they
3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Êzêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven...
Enoch 15
8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon
9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin;
10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.]
11 And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless
12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.
Enoch 16
3 "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth."
4 Say to them therefore: "You have no peace."'
~
Are you saying the fallen angels didnt mate with the daughters of Adam????
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 29 2008, 11:30 PM)
QUOTE (endtime @ Nov 30 2008, 01:37 AM)
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 29 2008, 09:00 PM)
Well to understand that the flood was not worldwide,,,,,, one must understand what was happening during this time...........
The fallen angels were on earth,,,having sex with the Adamic women.....
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The fallen angels were doing this because they knew Christ would come through the Adamic bloodline,,,,so if they could contaminate it ,,,Christ couldn't be born.....(Christ had to be born pure)
So the fallen angels had mixed into all the Adamic blood.......except one family,,,Noahs.......SO GOd spared Noah and eventually Christ would be born through Noah.....
The fallen angels were on earth,,,having sex with the Adamic women.....
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The fallen angels were doing this because they knew Christ would come through the Adamic bloodline,,,,so if they could contaminate it ,,,Christ couldn't be born.....(Christ had to be born pure)
So the fallen angels had mixed into all the Adamic blood.......except one family,,,Noahs.......SO GOd spared Noah and eventually Christ would be born through Noah.....
~
not even close to the truth NIGHTMARE.
The watchers who fell and mated with woman didn't know anything except lust and worthless science. Their children's Spirits are the evil spirits that roam the earth today and have taught men evil and sin.
Enoch 8
1 And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all
2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they
3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Êzêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven...
Enoch 15
8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon
9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin;
10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.]
11 And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless
12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.
Enoch 16
3 "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth."
4 Say to them therefore: "You have no peace."'
~
Are you saying the fallen angels didnt mate with the daughters of Adam????
I did not say that the watchers (Messengers of Heaven) did not mate with the daughters of man.
Enoch 6
1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters.
2 And the Watchers, the messengers of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.'
3 And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.'
4 And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.'
5Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
6 And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
7 And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel.
8 These are their chiefs of tens.
~
"Well to understand that the flood was not worldwide"
>3.5 miles of water depth standing in the Middle East
>Was there a wall built around this massive accumulation?
>To think that this would not be a worldwide flood is by one who is ignorant of the geographics of the earth's surface and the power of unbridled water flow
.... some still believe the earth is flat .... do you?
>Murray teaches this falsehood so that his story about the Kenites will float
>His babel here is insulting to a rational mind
.... and discrediting to the Lord's Word on th matter
>Arnold Murray has built his entire story upon falsehoods .... not the scriptures of the Bible
>3.5 miles of water depth standing in the Middle East
>Was there a wall built around this massive accumulation?
>To think that this would not be a worldwide flood is by one who is ignorant of the geographics of the earth's surface and the power of unbridled water flow
.... some still believe the earth is flat .... do you?
>Murray teaches this falsehood so that his story about the Kenites will float
>His babel here is insulting to a rational mind
.... and discrediting to the Lord's Word on th matter
>Arnold Murray has built his entire story upon falsehoods .... not the scriptures of the Bible
QUOTE (Stephen @ Nov 30 2008, 11:07 AM)
"Well to understand that the flood was not worldwide"
>3.5 miles of water depth standing in the Middle East
>Was there a wall built around this massive accumulation?
>To think that this would not be a worldwide flood is by one who is ignorant of the geographics of the earth's surface and the power of unbridled water flow
.... some still believe the earth is flat .... do you?
>Murray teaches this falsehood so that his story about the Kenites will float
>His babel here is insulting to a rational mind
.... and discrediting to the Lord's Word on th matter
>Arnold Murray has built his entire story upon falsehoods .... not the scriptures of the Bible
>3.5 miles of water depth standing in the Middle East
>Was there a wall built around this massive accumulation?
>To think that this would not be a worldwide flood is by one who is ignorant of the geographics of the earth's surface and the power of unbridled water flow
.... some still believe the earth is flat .... do you?
>Murray teaches this falsehood so that his story about the Kenites will float
>His babel here is insulting to a rational mind
.... and discrediting to the Lord's Word on th matter
>Arnold Murray has built his entire story upon falsehoods .... not the scriptures of the Bible
There have been two floods Stephen. When this present age began the world was covered with water. Was that when the 3.5 miles of being under water was recorded?
Genesis 1:9 And God said, "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear:" and it was so.
QUOTE (endtime @ Nov 30 2008, 03:59 AM)
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 29 2008, 11:30 PM)
QUOTE (endtime @ Nov 30 2008, 01:37 AM)
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 29 2008, 09:00 PM)
Well to understand that the flood was not worldwide,,,,,, one must understand what was happening during this time...........
The fallen angels were on earth,,,having sex with the Adamic women.....
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The fallen angels were doing this because they knew Christ would come through the Adamic bloodline,,,,so if they could contaminate it ,,,Christ couldn't be born.....(Christ had to be born pure)
So the fallen angels had mixed into all the Adamic blood.......except one family,,,Noahs.......SO GOd spared Noah and eventually Christ would be born through Noah.....
The fallen angels were on earth,,,having sex with the Adamic women.....
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The fallen angels were doing this because they knew Christ would come through the Adamic bloodline,,,,so if they could contaminate it ,,,Christ couldn't be born.....(Christ had to be born pure)
So the fallen angels had mixed into all the Adamic blood.......except one family,,,Noahs.......SO GOd spared Noah and eventually Christ would be born through Noah.....
~
not even close to the truth NIGHTMARE.
The watchers who fell and mated with woman didn't know anything except lust and worthless science. Their children's Spirits are the evil spirits that roam the earth today and have taught men evil and sin.
Enoch 8
1 And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all
2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they
3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Êzêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven...
Enoch 15
8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon
9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin;
10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.]
11 And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless
12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.
Enoch 16
3 "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth."
4 Say to them therefore: "You have no peace."'
~
Are you saying the fallen angels didnt mate with the daughters of Adam????
I did not say that the watchers (Messengers of Heaven) did not mate with the daughters of man.
Enoch 6
1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters.
2 And the Watchers, the messengers of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.'
3 And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.'
4 And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.'
5Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
6 And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
7 And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel.
8 These are their chiefs of tens.
~
So what are you saying endtime??????Your posting scripture,,, but you need to follow it up with how you view the scriptures......
God said He would not destroy the earth again by water.
There was no mention of the fact that man would do it on its own.
The north pole has melted 70% by now, Greenland is becoming green again, and the South Pole ice is breaking of at record pace.
As God said: Man is quite capable of destroying himself.
There was no mention of the fact that man would do it on its own.
The north pole has melted 70% by now, Greenland is becoming green again, and the South Pole ice is breaking of at record pace.
As God said: Man is quite capable of destroying himself.
Well if you believe the flood was worldwide and 8 souls were left,,,,then one must believe that everyone comes from Noah........Even the Chinese 
Gen. 7:6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
Wouldnt this make the flood at about 1,656 years after the creation of Adam,,,,,,, or approximately 2344 BCE???????
Well if one does some research on the Chinese you will see they were there before the flood and after the flood .......But lets just look at the bible.....
Gen. 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
regardless of how you believe Cain came into existence is not the issue here,,,,,,We see Cain having a family right????
And Cain had this family before the flood right??????? The name of Cains family is Kenites
7014 Qayin kah'-yin the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s).
So what happen to Cains family (Kenites) ,,,,where they destroyed in the flood to?????????
Gen. 7:6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
Wouldnt this make the flood at about 1,656 years after the creation of Adam,,,,,,, or approximately 2344 BCE???????
Well if one does some research on the Chinese you will see they were there before the flood and after the flood .......But lets just look at the bible.....
Gen. 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
regardless of how you believe Cain came into existence is not the issue here,,,,,,We see Cain having a family right????
And Cain had this family before the flood right??????? The name of Cains family is Kenites
7014 Qayin kah'-yin the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s).
So what happen to Cains family (Kenites) ,,,,where they destroyed in the flood to?????????
QUOTE (Stephen @ Nov 30 2008, 10:07 AM)
"Well to understand that the flood was not worldwide"
>3.5 miles of water depth standing in the Middle East
>Was there a wall built around this massive accumulation?
>To think that this would not be a worldwide flood is by one who is ignorant of the geographics of the earth's surface and the power of unbridled water flow
.... some still believe the earth is flat .... do you?
>Murray teaches this falsehood so that his story about the Kenites will float
>His babel here is insulting to a rational mind
.... and discrediting to the Lord's Word on th matter
>Arnold Murray has built his entire story upon falsehoods .... not the scriptures of the Bible
>3.5 miles of water depth standing in the Middle East
>Was there a wall built around this massive accumulation?
>To think that this would not be a worldwide flood is by one who is ignorant of the geographics of the earth's surface and the power of unbridled water flow
.... some still believe the earth is flat .... do you?
>Murray teaches this falsehood so that his story about the Kenites will float
>His babel here is insulting to a rational mind
.... and discrediting to the Lord's Word on th matter
>Arnold Murray has built his entire story upon falsehoods .... not the scriptures of the Bible
Well lets begin with chp 6.......
Gen. 6:1 And it came to pass, when "men" began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
The word "men" is translated from the Hebrew words ha Adam, or the Adam with the article ha, Now when reading Hebrew and you see that,,,it means there talking about a specific person,,,not all men.......
So the "men" we are about to talk about,,,,, are not all men,,,,, but tare he Adamics that came from Adam......
Do you understand this simple bit of Hebrew?????????
NIGHTMARE, you began this thread with a certian direct topic in mind, i showed exactly WHO went to shinar and built there and where all the people came from but you havent addressed any of the scriptures that answer your question.
secondly you cannot infer all that you just did about the people in gen 6 just because it says " ha adam" the word of God never says there was anyone who was not from adam in line and it makes it clear that all but eight souls died in the flood.
secondly you cannot infer all that you just did about the people in gen 6 just because it says " ha adam" the word of God never says there was anyone who was not from adam in line and it makes it clear that all but eight souls died in the flood.
Those who try desperately to disprove the Word, make God out to be a liar...
It is my solemn duty to warn when I see this happening. For it is written:
Rom.3
[4] God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
1John.4
[20] If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1John.5
[10] He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
It is my solemn duty to warn when I see this happening. For it is written:
Rom.3
[4] God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
1John.4
[20] If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1John.5
[10] He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Nov 30 2008, 12:36 PM)
Those who try desperately to disprove the Word, make God out to be a liar...
It is my solemn duty to warn when I see this happening. For it is written:
Rom.3
[4] God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
1John.4
[20] If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1John.5
[10] He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
It is my solemn duty to warn when I see this happening. For it is written:
Rom.3
[4] God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
1John.4
[20] If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1John.5
[10] He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
This is not trying to disprove the Lord,,,,,I believe its pretty clear that the flood wasnt worldwide,,,,,,I am not making GOD out to be a liar,again I thought you removed yourself??????
QUOTE (GodspromisesRyes @ Nov 30 2008, 12:28 PM)
NIGHTMARE, you began this thread with a certian direct topic in mind, i showed exactly WHO went to shinar and built there and where all the people came from but you havent addressed any of the scriptures that answer your question.
secondly you cannot infer all that you just did about the people in gen 6 just because it says " ha adam" the word of God never says there was anyone who was not from adam in line and it makes it clear that all but eight souls died in the flood.
secondly you cannot infer all that you just did about the people in gen 6 just because it says " ha adam" the word of God never says there was anyone who was not from adam in line and it makes it clear that all but eight souls died in the flood.
Hello,,,,,GodspromisesRyes
I read your post but you didnt really explain what you were trying to say,,,,,,Do you understand what ha adam means??????
If what you speak is truth you should be able to address this question no problems
So what happen to Cains family (Kenites) ,,,,where they destroyed in the flood to?????????
So far I have witnessed you to dispute and twist about every topic that you adressed so rest assured I keep track of your intentions.
Until I see otherwise, I will witness that you have tried continuously to confuse the Body of Christ.
Until I see otherwise, I will witness that you have tried continuously to confuse the Body of Christ.
"Do you understand this simple bit of Hebrew"
>You had better understand simple geographics and the genealogical lineage presented regarding Noah and his three sons
>This is in plain English for you
>You always play the language card when you are backed into a corner don't you?
>I can tell you that this excuse is Murray's rant .... I have head him say this over and over again just like you do
>Neither one of you has any proprietary understanding of Hebrew, Greek, or "original manuscripts" as I hear you claim .... many versed in languistics and original manuscripts have far more knowledge than you
>Your game is a cheap ruse for defending serpent seed theology which has no biblical support at all
>You had better understand simple geographics and the genealogical lineage presented regarding Noah and his three sons
>This is in plain English for you
>You always play the language card when you are backed into a corner don't you?
>I can tell you that this excuse is Murray's rant .... I have head him say this over and over again just like you do
>Neither one of you has any proprietary understanding of Hebrew, Greek, or "original manuscripts" as I hear you claim .... many versed in languistics and original manuscripts have far more knowledge than you
>Your game is a cheap ruse for defending serpent seed theology which has no biblical support at all
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 30 2008, 11:41 AM)
QUOTE (GodspromisesRyes @ Nov 30 2008, 12:28 PM)
NIGHTMARE, you began this thread with a certian direct topic in mind, i showed exactly WHO went to shinar and built there and where all the people came from but you havent addressed any of the scriptures that answer your question.
secondly you cannot infer all that you just did about the people in gen 6 just because it says " ha adam" the word of God never says there was anyone who was not from adam in line and it makes it clear that all but eight souls died in the flood.
secondly you cannot infer all that you just did about the people in gen 6 just because it says " ha adam" the word of God never says there was anyone who was not from adam in line and it makes it clear that all but eight souls died in the flood.
Hello,,,,,GodspromisesRyes
I read your post but you didnt really explain what you were trying to say,,,,,,Do you understand what ha adam means??????
If what you speak is truth you should be able to address this question no problems
So what happen to Cains family (Kenites) ,,,,where they destroyed in the flood to?????????
you asked who the people were that went to shinar in gen 11- i showed you it was nimrod the son of such the son of ham.
Yes all cains family died in the flood, the word declares over and over that only eight souls lived through the flood, that noah condemned the world, that God destroyed ALL FLESH that was not on the ark- do you think God sets out to kill all flesh and fails?
There is no evidence in scritpure that anyone but those 8 people lived. Furthermore the word of God is clear that it is noahs sons by which ALL people have come from. ALL nations came from his three sons.
All of cains family in the flesh was killed off- however the same wickedness of cain still exists and was found in the wickedness of men first seen in ham after the flood. because ALL FLESH IS WICKED.
now " ha adam" does not mean just a man- it can either mean " the man" or mankind or men plural. a ha before adam, just means it does not soley speak of adam the proper name of the first man.
1) man, mankind
a) man, human being
man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT) Adam, first man
d) city in Jordan valley
QUOTE (GodspromisesRyes @ Nov 30 2008, 12:42 PM)
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 30 2008, 11:41 AM)
QUOTE (GodspromisesRyes @ Nov 30 2008, 12:28 PM)
NIGHTMARE, you began this thread with a certian direct topic in mind, i showed exactly WHO went to shinar and built there and where all the people came from but you havent addressed any of the scriptures that answer your question.
secondly you cannot infer all that you just did about the people in gen 6 just because it says " ha adam" the word of God never says there was anyone who was not from adam in line and it makes it clear that all but eight souls died in the flood.
secondly you cannot infer all that you just did about the people in gen 6 just because it says " ha adam" the word of God never says there was anyone who was not from adam in line and it makes it clear that all but eight souls died in the flood.
Hello,,,,,GodspromisesRyes
I read your post but you didnt really explain what you were trying to say,,,,,,Do you understand what ha adam means??????
If what you speak is truth you should be able to address this question no problems
So what happen to Cains family (Kenites) ,,,,where they destroyed in the flood to?????????
you asked who the people were that went to shinar in gen 11- i showed you it was nimrod the son of such the son of ham.
Yes all cains family died in the flood, the word declares over and over that only eight souls lived through the flood, that noah condemned the world, that God destroyed ALL FLESH that was not on the ark- do you think God sets out to kill all flesh and fails?
There is no evidence in scritpure that anyone but those 8 people lived. Furthermore the word of God is clear that it is noahs sons by which ALL people have come from. ALL nations came from his three sons.
All of cains family in the flesh was killed off- however the same wickedness of cain still exists and was found in the wickedness of men first seen in ham after the flood. because ALL FLESH IS WICKED.
now " ha adam" does not mean just a man- it can either mean " the man" or mankind or men plural. a ha before adam, just means it does not soley speak of adam the proper name of the first man.
1) man, mankind
a) man, human being
man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT) Adam, first man
d) city in Jordan valley
Your wrong,,,thats why I asked you if you knew what haa-'adam,,,because if you trully knew what it ment we would have no disagreement......
You said::::now " ha adam" does not mean just a man- it can either mean " the man" or mankind or men plural.
Wrong,,,,,"Adam" means any man, men, mankind.........
haa-'adam with the Article is the man.........
'eth haa-'adam with the Article & Particle is this particular man Adam..........
But we can go into the Hebrew later,,,,,,,,You said all of Cains family died in the flood did you not??????
Cains family is called the Kenites,,,,know go in you bible and see if you can find the kenites still around after the flood....
Yes Gods flood worked,,,but it was only ment to destroy those in the land......
So really you have just been proven wrong because the kenites existed before the flood and after the flood......
QUOTE (Josepha Cobbi @ Nov 30 2008, 11:54 AM)
So far I have witnessed you to dispute and twist about every topic that you adressed so rest assured I keep track of your intentions.
Until I see otherwise, I will witness that you have tried continuously to confuse the Body of Christ.
Until I see otherwise, I will witness that you have tried continuously to confuse the Body of Christ.
I tell the body of Christ to read the word and study,,,,,,repent pray and love God for He loved you first (you owe it to Him) believe in Christ for He died for you and defeated death and lived (all power to Christ) .......
,,,,,but dont try and boost yourself up like your doing Gods work,,,,to me your some ignorant nobody,,, that doesnt have the intelligence to debate this subject with scripture,,,you you throw accusations.......
and you said you where removing yourself from this thread,,,,,,and that would have probably have been the best thing,,,,,,so why havent you done it,,,im only interested in discussing scripture,,,and believing the flood was not worldwide is not twisting scripture........Stop waistin my time.........
QUOTE (endtime @ Nov 30 2008, 03:59 AM)
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 29 2008, 11:30 PM)
QUOTE (endtime @ Nov 30 2008, 01:37 AM)
QUOTE (NIGHTMARE @ Nov 29 2008, 09:00 PM)
Well to understand that the flood was not worldwide,,,,,, one must understand what was happening during this time...........
The fallen angels were on earth,,,having sex with the Adamic women.....
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The fallen angels were doing this because they knew Christ would come through the Adamic bloodline,,,,so if they could contaminate it ,,,Christ couldn't be born.....(Christ had to be born pure)
So the fallen angels had mixed into all the Adamic blood.......except one family,,,Noahs.......SO GOd spared Noah and eventually Christ would be born through Noah.....
The fallen angels were on earth,,,having sex with the Adamic women.....
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The fallen angels were doing this because they knew Christ would come through the Adamic bloodline,,,,so if they could contaminate it ,,,Christ couldn't be born.....(Christ had to be born pure)
So the fallen angels had mixed into all the Adamic blood.......except one family,,,Noahs.......SO GOd spared Noah and eventually Christ would be born through Noah.....
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not even close to the truth NIGHTMARE.
The watchers who fell and mated with woman didn't know anything except lust and worthless science. Their children's Spirits are the evil spirits that roam the earth today and have taught men evil and sin.
Enoch 8
1 And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all
2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they
3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Êzêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven...
Enoch 15
8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon
9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin;
10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.]
11 And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless
12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.
Enoch 16
3 "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth."
4 Say to them therefore: "You have no peace."'
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Are you saying the fallen angels didnt mate with the daughters of Adam????
I did not say that the watchers (Messengers of Heaven) did not mate with the daughters of man.
Enoch 6
1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters.
2 And the Watchers, the messengers of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.'
3 And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.'
4 And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.'
5Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
6 And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
7 And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel.
8 These are their chiefs of tens.
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Jubilees 4:21 And he [Enoch] was therefore with the angels of God six jubilees of years. And they showed him everything which is on earth and in the heavens, the dominion of the sun. And he wrote everything,
Jubilees 4:22 And bore witness to the Watchers, the ones who sinned with the daughters of men because they began to mingle themselves with the daughters of men so that they might be polluted. And Enoch bore witness against them all.
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