Prophecy is the linchpin of verification for proving the authenticity of the Bible

This portion of the Lord’s Word proves without a doubt that the scriptures are inspired and can be relied upon for absolute truth

It is also the one most abused by professing Christianity

Why?

False prophets and false teachers always use this venue for building their falsehoods

The attraction for knowing the future by those who follow is a great temptation

These who bring falsehoods know this and take advantage of the unlearned by manipulating the prophetic scriptures to their own designs

This behavior is also multi-dimensional

Satan hates the Bible because it exposes him and uncovers his ambition to destroy

His game is to tempt humans into using the prophetic scriptures for self gain

The next step is to bring false return for the purpose of deceiving and leading astray

And at the same time to cause division and conflict which has the profound effect of dividing and conquering

He sets believers against one another and the area is almost always over the prophetic scriptures

There is potential for great danger for those who expose themselves first to the false teaching and then ultimately to their own destruction

One’s continued relationship to the Lord requires the serious study of the scriptures without relying upon others to do it for them

Beware that there are those who take advantage of the prophetic content of the Bible for the purpose of deceiving others …. and are themselves deceived by their own temptations

So true of pretribulationism!

Your opinion only .... but not true at all according to the scriptures

You do exactly what I am talking about by following your mentors who have deceived you

Your slip is showing

Better seek the truth about this issue and believe it or the Lord will separate you out sooner ..... or later

Stephen says:



I wish my 21 year old son would read the Bible. Over thanksgiving dinner he made the argument that people disagree so much it proves the Bible isn't true.

He knows nothing of course...and he threw in dinosaurs as his frosting...

But in the end of a seemingly fruitless discussion he made the statement; " I will never follow after ANY man."...Oh yes...l jumped on that one.
Told him it's a good statement! He must read the Bible for himself...He's teetering in the desert of decision right now..

There is nothing more profound than the unadulterated truth presented in the Bible

The bible is not the problem, it's the interpretation of it.

That's why we need the Holy Spirit to guide our understanding....

The gift of wisdom and knowledge, when used by the flesh it puffs up into pride.

But when it comes from heaven, the scriptures light up into the living word of God...

the letter kills but the spirit gives life

thus, when God sends deception, what could be more God-sent than the word of God
God's letter people were blinded by the letter when the messiah came to them
He came to fulfill yet they rejected Him
the same is happening today
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing and it is the glory of kings to search it out
interpretation by the letter of the word leads to idolatry imho

pet doctrines and factions have become more important than the truth to many who call themselves Christians
God help us all. . . we all see and know in part

"the letter kills but the spirit gives life"

>This statement sounds like those who teach many membered manchild kingdom now theologies

>Hope that is not the intent with this statement

>Interpreting the scriptures literally and at face value where appropriate never kills anyone and is the correct approach to correct understanding

>The "letter" of the "law" will kill one without the Lord's salvation for sure ... and this is the intended meaning from scripture

>The use of this statement out of context is a ruse and then for leading away from correct understanding

>I have seen it used time and time again by false teachers who deliberately apply it out of convenience for removing Biblical truths ... and then turn right around an interpret literally when it suits their cause

>The trick is to shade the truth by allegorizing the literal scriptures that stand in the way of the falsehoods that they bring

>Beware of false teachers and false prophets

How true. And those who do it try to yoke others, but Jesus sets us free. Amen

""the letter kills but the spirit gives life"

>This statement sounds like those who teach many membered manchild kingdom now theologies

>Hope that is not the intent with this statement"


>That's exactly what I thought

>Your are being deceived by a false teacher who plays with the "letter kills" distraction

>Sounds like David Eells and the other latter rain crowd pied piepers who have and do bring in many aberrant teachings

Stephen, can you do me a favor? In this thread somewhere you mentioned the "Man Child" teachings...I keep hearing about the Man Child thing. I was sent information on it at the being of the summer thru a forum member, which I could not understand for some reason, and I really tried too. I just could not get my head around it it all. It was as if a huge wall was there and could not get thru it to be able to study it at all. So , I set it aside. Then, I LOST it all somehow out of my computer. Sounds like I was not to read it, eh?

I read some things to become knowledgeable about whether it is truth or error, as I compare anything I hear or read to scripture. Like the Bereans did...and if they were commended for doing that, i certainly should do that to, especially given the myriad of different viewpoints floating around in this day and age. How else can I have any kind of good answer when I am asked about it?

So, if you know what it is about, can you please sum up the Man Child teaching in a brief way touching on what it is that they are saying? By the way, this thread is very good.

Thank you
zeetz

I'm sure Stephen won't mind.

Kingdom Now theology is another in a long line of false, unbiblical, and misleading philosophies of man, whose imaginations seek to humanize God and deify man. Like any other unbiblical teachings, it's to be avoided like the plague.

The basic premise of KN Theology is that man lost dominion over the earth when Adam and Eve succumbed to Satan's temptation in the Garden of Eden. God "lost control" of the earth to Satan at that time, and has since been looking for a "covenant people" who will be His "extension," or "expression," in the earth and take dominion back from Satan. This is to be accomplished through certain "overcomers" who, by yielding themselves to the authority of God's apostles and prophets for the Kingdom Age, will take control of the kingdoms of this world. These kingdoms are defined as all social institutions, such as the "kingdom" of education, the "kingdom" of science, the "kingdom" of the arts, and so on. Most especially there is the "kingdom" of politics or government. This naturally implies the concentration of military and police power in the hands of those in control during the Kingdom Age. They are referred to as the "many-membered man child," whom Kingdom Theology adherents believe will be the fulfillment of Revelation 12:1-5: "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars....And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron."

Those who hold to KN Theology assume that the Church (some believe only a small group within the Church, called "overcomers"), under submission to the latter day apostles and prophets, is that man child, and that it has the responsibility to put down all rebellion and establish righteousness. This necessitates the utilization of supernatural power and the full implementation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. This theory is based upon the idea that all authority in heaven and on the earth has been given to Jesus. Since believers are indwelt by the same Holy Spirit that indwelt Jesus, we have all authority in heaven and on the earth; we have the power to believe for and speak into existence things that are not, and thus we can bring about the Kingdom Age. The many-membered man child must take control of the earth before Jesus can return.

Necessary to the Kingdom Age is "the Restoration of the Tabernacle of David," defined as the completion of perfection of the Bride of Christ - a Church without spot or wrinkle. During the Kingdom Age (or after all else is subdued during that time) Satan and all enemies of God will be put under the feet of the many-membered man child. This will be the fulfillment of I Corinthians 15:25-26: "For he (Christ) must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."

The rationale that the many-membered man child will put God's enemies under 'its' feet is that Jesus is the head of Christ and the Church is the body of Christ. And where are the feet but in the body? Many in the Kingdom Theology movements insist that when this Scripture refers to Christ it is really referring to the Church who is the Body of Christ. Therefore it is necessary for them to establish within the minds of Christians the idea that, as the Body of Christ, we are Christ. In other words, we have His divine nature.

Notice that this idea, similar to that of mind science and other false religions, separates the anointing of "Christ" from Jesus and bestows it upon all who come into a place of certain knowledge and spiritual attainment. This is a heresy that is as old as the Church. It is rooted in the Greek school of philosophy known as Gnosticism.

No Rapture

Critical to hard-core Kingdom Theology is the denial of "the Rapture" - the teaching that the Church will one day be caught up to meet the Lord in the air so that we will be with Him in Heaven when God's wrath is poured out upon the earth. This event is explained away as a feeling of rapture or excitement when the Lord returns to receive the Kingdom from our hands. In other words, everyone will be "caught up" emotionally when He returns. This explanation ignores the fact that such an application of the term "caught up" is strictly an idiomatic expression peculiar to English, not Greek. "I was all 'caught up' in the movie" (or other excitement) is not the equivalent of 'harpazo' in I Thessalonians 4:17, II Corinthians 12:2-4, and Revelation 12:5, used to describe the catching up bodily into Heaven, and Acts 8:39 where Phillip is bodily "caught away" by the Spirit to another location.

Consequently, since there will be no bodily catching away - or "Rapture" - of the Church (some say not until the Church has taken dominion in the face of adversity), there will be no restoration of the nation of Israel. The proponents of Kingdom Theology are correct when they say that the Church is spiritual Israel, but they fail to acknowledge that God has promised to restore national Israel and deal with her during the coming seventieth week of Daniel.
All prophecies regarding future Israel - both in the Old and New Testaments - are made to apply to the Church. The restoration of the dry bones in Ezekiel 37:1-11 is said to be the Restoration of the Church out of Babylon (denominationalism) into perfect unity. All believers will possess the same mind, same thoughts, and same goals delineated by the apostles and prophets of the Kingdom Age through new revelations.

For more information go here

God's Blessings!!

Rob

Rob, thank you very very much for that. That really helps me, and I appreciate the time you took to post it for me.

zeetz

Zeetz,

Rob has identified this heresy accurately for you

If you need further info I would suggest the following website:

http://www.intotruth.org/res/lastdl3.html

I would also recommend that you take a look at David Eells website who teaches a form of this same fabrication

His site is the Unleavened Bread Ministries website

If you do this you will hear the same terminology used like the "letter of the law killeth" dogma

Thank you very much Stephen

zeetz

not only that but you will soon figure out that my friend David is a sound bible teacher and modern day reformer called of God to speak the truth in love
any honest examination of the sites contents will reveal a group of humble disciples of the Lord Jesus who is the same yesterday, today, and forever amen
the errors Rob identified do not apply to those who are not associated them as Stephen implies
you'll find truth because you are honest

ps. that intotruth site reveals some ugly stuff thankfully the truth about the latter rain and many membered man-child won't be denied to God's people and the world that cries out
don't throw out the baby with the bathwater

David Eells is a big time "many membered manchild" pusher for sure

Definitely a "kingdom now" pied piper who teaches his following that they will become super christians during the tribulation period and totally impervious to the Lord's coming wrath

Those who are not scripturally knowledgeable can easily fall for this false teacher's smooth and unsuspecting attractions

Don't be deceived by this one

His "humility" game is a false front

David teaches against the scriptures in a very subtle way

He mixes truth with gross error .... and this is pure deception

He is very good at what he does

Beware

sooo.. and it's an honest question..

there will be no out pouring of the Holy Spirit.. (a latter rain) .. during the end days?

how will believers make it through if we are not given a full, or fuller measure of the Holy Spirit?

The Lord's Holy Spirit has already been sent and many have received, have been saved, and enlightened to the truth by the infilling

This has been going on since the first century

The "latter rain" you refer to and recorded in scripture is something that will be effected upon the believing remnant part of national Israel only during the tribulation period .... and the passages of scripture used by those that you are following has nothing to do with the church

There is no scripture that describes an outpouring to "full measure" as you state it for the church that has been reserved for the Body of Christ just before and during the time of the end of this present age.

Believers already have the Lord's Holy Spirit in "full measure"

It is a believing remnant part of national Israel that is currently in unbelief and has been since the rejection of the nation's Messiah and King that will experience the "latter rain" outpouring

The pied pipers of the "latter rain" movements have used this idea to promote and induce false spiritual experiences among their followers and then have taken the liberties to present themselves and their false doctrines as proprietary holders of the truth

They teach replacement theology and say that national Israel has no part in the time of the end, and have taken Israel's position for themselves

The Bible does not agree with this idea at all

The list of these false prophets and false teachers is long and their record of unacceptable behavior and failures has been exposed time and time again

They tell their followers that they are going to go through the tribulations of the Lord's coming judgment and that because they have gone through the process of quacking like ducks, barking like dogs, groaning and birthing the manchild within them, etc., in their church services, that they will be protected because they have been filled with the spirit

All of this is a gross misapplication of scripture and related behavior that carries a very high risk to those who engage in these practices

..... and definitely vulnerable to satanic manipulations

One should not be following these movements because they can lead one away from their own salvation

stevie your father taught you to lie didn't he
you good student

Some will not listen to sound doctrine ... but choose to follow doctrines of demons

This you have done and you must change your behavior for your own sake

Turn to the Lord and His Word and away from false teachers

Stephen says;



The first thing that popped into my mind as l read this is how Satan tempted eve telling her she would be like God if she ate.

Didn't they pull this one on the American Indians too...telling them that nothing could hurt them..If they went into battle they would be protected..but there was a massacre with many guns pointed... so sad..

I've felt that we already have the Spirit in fullness too only God doesn't reveal himself fully in us because it would burst the wine skin. When we are given a new body we will see in full and not in part.

Also you have to realize how knowledge has increased. We receive more because we understand more. But God only gives us a little at a time.

The challenges faced by walking fully in the Spirit in this world is more than most can handle. So though the fullness is here, it is not revealed.

Don't tell me God can't do this..We know because he only let's us see what he wants us too. And for some that's not much. The evidence is seen after his resurrection when people didn't recognize him till he was good and ready. Whether in us or outside of us..He is in control and he says not yet...

Act 2:17 'AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE LAST DAYS, SAYS GOD, THAT I WILL POUR OUT OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL FLESH; YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS.

You discard the very word of God to promote your carnal understanding of scripture.



Rev 12:13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child.
Rev 12:14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood.
Rev 12:16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The scriptures here speaks of a body of people not just the head of the body.
I know the resurrection is ar hand so it's kinda hard for me to deny the Spirit of the Lord Jesus being poured out on His body....

"He comes to be glorified in all His saints".

Jesus Himself said: Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I SAID, "YOU ARE GODS" '?

So please tell Jesus He is also mislead, but you are not Stephen. Maybe Jesus will follow you instead of the Father...

"Act 2:17 'AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE LAST DAYS, SAYS GOD, THAT I WILL POUR OUT OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL FLESH; YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS."

>This out pouring is for the believing remnant part of national Israel at the time of the end during the tribulation period ..... not the church

>Your mentors have deceived you by replacement theology and you are mixing passages of scripture that are focused upon national Israel with those focused upon the church

>This slide of hand trick is used by the pied pipers of "latter rain" faslehood

Joel
2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

2:12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

2:13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

2:14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?

2:15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:

2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

2:17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?

2:18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people.

2:19 Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:

2:20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.

2:21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.

2:22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.

2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

2:24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil.

2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.

2:27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.

2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

I have never not operated under the gifts of the Holy Spirit, from childhood.


And I am sure that other's can tell the same story of conviction and result's, from healings
to knowing (seer) event's, etc.


excerpt (wikipedia)
Spiritual gifts (or charismata), according to some Christian denominations such as Pentecostal, are gifts that are bestowed on Christians, each having his or her own proper gift (or gifts) to strengthen the church. They are described in the New Testament, primarily in First Corinthians 12, Romans 12, and Ephesians 4.

The infilling of the Lord's Holy Spirit begins when one turns, seeks, repents, and is saved

This experience has been ongoing since Pentacost for believers and will continue until the incoming of the Gentiles has been completed

The "latter rain" experience recorded in scripture is for the believing remnant part of the nation of Israel at the time of the end and it will take place during the tribulation period

little stevie wonder is it no wonder that you left off the other half of what it takes to be born again

repent and believe

Your responses are very aggressive and misdirected ..... all to prove your latter rain hobgoblin and for which you always strike out against those who have uncovered the track of your mentors

Leave out "believe"?

What a gas bag you are

I will tell you what .... you re-print my 5,000 plus posts on this form and we shall see what I say about belief in Jesus Christ

This will put you where you belong and deserve to be

Some will lie and twist ....and rant and rave

And this shows me where you come from .... your behavior shows your infestation of a familiar spirit

And you caught it from your latter rain pied piper(s)

Real Christians do not resort to the trick debating tactics that you employ for spreading falsehood

just reaping what you sow
and your slip is continually showing

Some dogs bark at the moon

..... for naught

Thank you for your rank behavior .... it reveals your character and your cult followings

This is common and quite typical of those who are trapped in cults

Better move away from this for your own sake

might as well see if you'll show more of your true colors all at one time
saves the time of reading those 5,000 posts to see the vomit that you consumed from years of sitting on a pew

the stench from that bench has made stephen clinch

Shake off your demons and seek the Lord

I want you to prove that I do not emphasize the need for believing in Jesus Christ

As you have accused with your little trick statement

You better do it

If you cannot, this will expose you for what you really are

..... and you cannot

So we know the score don't we

Thank you for displaying your dishonest demeanor so that other will know to stay away from what you have been infested with

don't cry stephen
you dish it out any way you want to whoever you want
but can't stand a taste of your medicine
I honestly think you believe in another Jesus
one that no longer heals, delivers, provides, and all that sozo implies
my fleshy response to the indignation I feel when I read your
worst posts is unfruitful to say the least but
if you asked me or my brethren for help or forgiveness
both are that easy
I hope that my Father in heaven will show both of us where we walk
in error
I'll go back to walking out my salvation with fear and trembling
I ask you to forgive me for fleshing out and having fun at your expense, personally
I wrestle not with flesh and blood
One of these days you're gonna love me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdWB4IU1InI
maybe tim mcgraw will soothe what ails or eels ya
God's feedin' this cracker
His unleavened bread
George

"my fleshy response"

This is the root of your problem

Pseudo-spiritual experiences led and induced by false prophets and false teachers

Better move away from them and seek the Lord's truth from His Word

Anyone who resorts to "word picking" out of the context of another's posting has a definite problem

Solve it

My posting should rub you the wrong way and cause you to react negatively

You need to think about why it does and then address your condition

I have to tell you that your "way" is not the way to the cross

Many have been deceived by false prophets and false teachers, but all will be accountable for their own agendas