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Interesting.
Barnabas 4:2
Let us give no relaxation to our soul that it should have liberty to consort with sinners and wicked men, lest haply we be made like unto them.
Barnabas 4:3
The last offence is at hand, concerning which the scripture speaketh, as Enoch saith. For to this end the Master hath cut the seasons and the days short, that His beloved might hasten and come to His inheritance.
Barnabas 4:4
And the prophet also speaketh on this wise; Ten reigns shall reign upon the earth, and after them shall arise another king, who shall bring low three of the kings under one.
Barnabas 4:5
In like manner Daniel speaketh concerning the same; And I saw the forth beast to be wicked and strong and more intractable than all the beasts of the earth, and how there arose from him ten horns, and from these a little horn and excrescence, and how that it abased under one three of the great horns.
Barnabas 4:6
Ye ought therefore to understand. Moreover I ask you this one thing besides, as being one of yourselves and loving you all in particular more than my own soul, to give heed to yourselves now, and not to liken yourselves to certain persons who pile up sin upon sin, saying that our covenant remains to them also.
Also interesting!
The author of The Epistle of Barnabas may not have been Barnabas, but its writer, whoever he is, quotes liberally from the Old Testament, including the apocryphal books.
He quotes from the New Testament gospels twice (4:14, 5:9).
Barnabas 4:14 Moreover understand this also, my brothers. When ye see that after so many signs and wonders wrought in Israel, even then they were abandoned, let us give heed, lest haply we be found, as the scripture saith, many are called but few are chosen.
Barnabas 5:9 And when He chose His own apostles who were to proclaim His Gospel, who that He might show that He came not to call the righteous but sinners were sinners above every sin, then He manifested Himself to be the Son of God.
As well as being in general agreement with the New Testament presentation of salvation-history, material resembling 4 Esdras (12.1) and 1 Enoch (4.3; 16.5) is quoted. 1 Enoch is considered scriptural in the Ethiopian church but traditionally with few exceptions, these books have not gained acceptance as part of the Biblical canon.
In the closing Two Ways section (chapters 18-21) of The Epistle of Barnabas, a series of moral injunctions is contained, and, controversially, "another gnosis and teaching" is presented (18.1)
Barnabas 18:1 But let us pass on to another lesson and teaching. There are two ways of teaching and of power, the one of light and the other of darkness; and there is a great difference between the two ways. For on the one are stationed the light giving angels of God, on the other the angels of Satan.
John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."
Perhaps due to the resurgence of Judaism in the early second century, and its tolerance by the emperor Hadrian, Christians felt a need to polemically resist Jewish influences, prompting the text's author to demonstrate in his writing, that Jewish understanding of the Mosaic legislation (Torah) is completely incorrect and can now be considered superseded. In the author's view the Jewish scriptures foreshadowed Jesus and Christianity when rightly understood, but in a seeming over-zealous rejection of Jewish influences in favour of more obscure additional teachings, a reason is found by commentators to regard some aspects of this Epistle as works of human intellect not characterised by divine inspiration.
Thanks for providing this thread, Earendel.
The author of The Epistle of Barnabas may not have been Barnabas, but its writer, whoever he is, quotes liberally from the Old Testament, including the apocryphal books.
He quotes from the New Testament gospels twice (4:14, 5:9).
Barnabas 4:14 Moreover understand this also, my brothers. When ye see that after so many signs and wonders wrought in Israel, even then they were abandoned, let us give heed, lest haply we be found, as the scripture saith, many are called but few are chosen.
Barnabas 5:9 And when He chose His own apostles who were to proclaim His Gospel, who that He might show that He came not to call the righteous but sinners were sinners above every sin, then He manifested Himself to be the Son of God.
As well as being in general agreement with the New Testament presentation of salvation-history, material resembling 4 Esdras (12.1) and 1 Enoch (4.3; 16.5) is quoted. 1 Enoch is considered scriptural in the Ethiopian church but traditionally with few exceptions, these books have not gained acceptance as part of the Biblical canon.
In the closing Two Ways section (chapters 18-21) of The Epistle of Barnabas, a series of moral injunctions is contained, and, controversially, "another gnosis and teaching" is presented (18.1)
Barnabas 18:1 But let us pass on to another lesson and teaching. There are two ways of teaching and of power, the one of light and the other of darkness; and there is a great difference between the two ways. For on the one are stationed the light giving angels of God, on the other the angels of Satan.
John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."
Perhaps due to the resurgence of Judaism in the early second century, and its tolerance by the emperor Hadrian, Christians felt a need to polemically resist Jewish influences, prompting the text's author to demonstrate in his writing, that Jewish understanding of the Mosaic legislation (Torah) is completely incorrect and can now be considered superseded. In the author's view the Jewish scriptures foreshadowed Jesus and Christianity when rightly understood, but in a seeming over-zealous rejection of Jewish influences in favour of more obscure additional teachings, a reason is found by commentators to regard some aspects of this Epistle as works of human intellect not characterised by divine inspiration.
Thanks for providing this thread, Earendel.
QUOTE (Michael Coldham-Fussell @ Nov 23 2008, 02:28 AM) 
Also interesting!
The author of The Epistle of Barnabas may not have been Barnabas, but its writer, whoever he is, quotes liberally from the Old Testament, including the apocryphal books.
He quotes from the New Testament gospels twice (4:14, 5:9).
Barnabas 4:14 Moreover understand this also, my brothers. When ye see that after so many signs and wonders wrought in Israel, even then they were abandoned, let us give heed, lest haply we be found, as the scripture saith, many are called but few are chosen.
Barnabas 5:9 And when He chose His own apostles who were to proclaim His Gospel, who that He might show that He came not to call the righteous but sinners were sinners above every sin, then He manifested Himself to be the Son of God.
As well as being in general agreement with the New Testament presentation of salvation-history, material resembling 4 Esdras (12.1) and 1 Enoch (4.3; 16.5) is quoted. 1 Enoch is considered scriptural in the Ethiopian church but traditionally with few exceptions, these books have not gained acceptance as part of the Biblical canon.
In the closing Two Ways section (chapters 18-21) of The Epistle of Barnabas, a series of moral injunctions is contained, and, controversially, "another gnosis and teaching" is presented (18.1)
Barnabas 18:1 But let us pass on to another lesson and teaching. There are two ways of teaching and of power, the one of light and the other of darkness; and there is a great difference between the two ways. For on the one are stationed the light giving angels of God, on the other the angels of Satan.
John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."
Perhaps due to the resurgence of Judaism in the early second century, and its tolerance by the emperor Hadrian, Christians felt a need to polemically resist Jewish influences, prompting the text's author to demonstrate in his writing, that Jewish understanding of the Mosaic legislation (Torah) is completely incorrect and can now be considered superseded. In the author's view the Jewish scriptures foreshadowed Jesus and Christianity when rightly understood, but in a seeming over-zealous rejection of Jewish influences in favour of more obscure additional teachings, a reason is found by commentators to regard some aspects of this Epistle as works of human intellect not characterised by divine inspiration.
Thanks for providing this thread, Earendel.
The author of The Epistle of Barnabas may not have been Barnabas, but its writer, whoever he is, quotes liberally from the Old Testament, including the apocryphal books.
He quotes from the New Testament gospels twice (4:14, 5:9).
Barnabas 4:14 Moreover understand this also, my brothers. When ye see that after so many signs and wonders wrought in Israel, even then they were abandoned, let us give heed, lest haply we be found, as the scripture saith, many are called but few are chosen.
Barnabas 5:9 And when He chose His own apostles who were to proclaim His Gospel, who that He might show that He came not to call the righteous but sinners were sinners above every sin, then He manifested Himself to be the Son of God.
As well as being in general agreement with the New Testament presentation of salvation-history, material resembling 4 Esdras (12.1) and 1 Enoch (4.3; 16.5) is quoted. 1 Enoch is considered scriptural in the Ethiopian church but traditionally with few exceptions, these books have not gained acceptance as part of the Biblical canon.
In the closing Two Ways section (chapters 18-21) of The Epistle of Barnabas, a series of moral injunctions is contained, and, controversially, "another gnosis and teaching" is presented (18.1)
Barnabas 18:1 But let us pass on to another lesson and teaching. There are two ways of teaching and of power, the one of light and the other of darkness; and there is a great difference between the two ways. For on the one are stationed the light giving angels of God, on the other the angels of Satan.
John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."
Perhaps due to the resurgence of Judaism in the early second century, and its tolerance by the emperor Hadrian, Christians felt a need to polemically resist Jewish influences, prompting the text's author to demonstrate in his writing, that Jewish understanding of the Mosaic legislation (Torah) is completely incorrect and can now be considered superseded. In the author's view the Jewish scriptures foreshadowed Jesus and Christianity when rightly understood, but in a seeming over-zealous rejection of Jewish influences in favour of more obscure additional teachings, a reason is found by commentators to regard some aspects of this Epistle as works of human intellect not characterised by divine inspiration.
Thanks for providing this thread, Earendel.
you have taken this right out of context.
Barnabas 18:1 But let us pass on to another lesson and teaching. There are two ways of teaching and of power, the one of light and the other of darkness; and there is a great difference between the two ways. For on the one are stationed the light giving angels of God, on the other the angels of Satan.
John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."
Perhaps the writer isn't saying go ahead and learn evil but is merely pointing out there are two ways to learning, one is evil and the other is good. Learn only the good.
Revelation 2:24-25 is very interesting and seems to say the same thing.
24 But to you I say, to the rest that are in Thyatira, as many as have not this teaching, who know not the deep things of Satan, as they are wont to say; I cast upon you none other burden.
25 Nevertheless that which ye have, hold fast till I come.
...and now to finish what the writer said, starting with the verse immediately following what you took out of context.
Barnabas 18:2
And the one is the Lord from all eternity and unto all eternity, whereas the other is Lord of the season of iniquity that now is.
Barnabas 19:1
This then is the way of light, if anyone desiring to travel on the way to his appointed place would be zealous in his works. The knowledge then which is given to us whereby we may walk therein is as follows.
Barnabas 19:2
Thou shalt love Him that made thee, thou shalt fear Him that created thee, thou shalt glorify Him that redeemed thee from death; thou shalt be simple in heart and rich in spirit; thou shalt not cleave to those who walk the way of death; thou shalt hate everything that is not pleasing to God; thou shalt hate all hypocrisy; thou shalt never forsake the commandments of the Lord.
Barnabas 19:3
Thou shalt not exalt thyself, but shalt be lowly minded in all things. Thou shalt not assume glory to thyself. Thou shalt not entertain a wicked design against thy neighbor; thou shalt not admit boldness into thy soul.
Barnabas 19:4
Thou shalt not commit fornication, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not corrupt boys. The word of God shall not come forth from thee where any are unclean. Thou shalt not make a difference in a person to reprove him for a transgression. Thou shalt be meek, thou shalt be quiet, thou shalt be fearing the words which thou hast heard. Thou shalt not bear a grudge against thy brother.
Barnabas 19:5
Thou shalt not doubt whether a thing shall be or not be. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain. Thou shalt love thy neighbor more than thine own soul. Thou shalt not murder a child by abortion, nor again shalt thou kill it when it is born. Thou shalt not withhold thy hand from thy son or daughter, but from their youth thou shalt teach them the fear of God.
Barnabas 19:6
Thou shalt not be found coveting thy neighbors goods; thou shalt not be found greedy of gain. Neither shalt thou cleave with thy soul to the lofty, but shalt walk with the humble and righteous. The accidents that befall thee thou shalt receive as good, knowing that nothing is done without God. Thou shalt not be double minded nor double tongued.
Barnabas 19:7
Thou shalt be subject unto thy masters as to a type of God in shame and fear. Thou shalt not command in bitterness thy bondservant or thine handmaid who set their hope on the same God, lest haply, they should cease to fear the God who is over both of you; for He came not to call with respect of persons, but to call those whom the Spirit hath prepared.
Barnabas 19:8
Thou shalt make thy neighbor partake in all things, and shalt not say that anything is thine own. For if ye are fellow partakers in that which is imperishable, how much rather shall ye be in the things which are perishable. Thou shalt not be hasty with thine own tongue, for the mouth is the snare of death. So far as thou art able, thou shalt be pure for thy soul's sake.
Barnabas 19:9
Be not thou found holding out thy hands to receive, and drawing them in to give. Thou shalt love as the apple of thine eye every one that speaketh unto thee the word of the Lord.
Barnabas 19:10 Thou shalt remember the day of judgment night and day, and thou shalt seek out day by day the persons of the saints, either laboring by word and going to exhort them and meditating how thou mayest save souls by thy word, or thou shalt work with thy hands for a ransom for thy sins.
Barnabas 19:11 Thou shall not hesitate to give, neither shalt thou murmur when giving, but thou shalt know who is the good paymaster of thy reward. Thou shalt keep those things which thou hast received, neither adding to them nor taking away from them. Thou shalt utterly hate the Evil One. Thou shalt judge righteously.
Barnabas 19:12 Thou shalt not make a schism, but thou shalt pacify them that contend by bringing them together. Thou shalt confess thy sins. Thou shalt not betake thyself to prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of light.
Barnabas 20:1
But the way of the Black One is crooked and full of a curse. For it is a way of eternal death with punishment wherein are the things that destroy men's souls--idolatry, boldness, exhalation of power, hypocrisy, doubleness of heart, adultery, murder, plundering, pride, transgression, treachery, malice, stubbornness, witchcraft, magic, covetousness, absence of the fear of God;
Barnabas 20:2
persecutors of good men, hating the truth, loving lies, not perceiving the reward of righteousness, not cleaving to the good nor to the righteous judgment, paying no heed to the widow and the orphan, wakeful not for the fear of God but for that which is evil; men from whom gentleness and forbearance stand aloof and far off; loving vain things, pursuing a recompense, not pitying the poor man, not toiling for him that is oppressed with toil, ready to slander, not recognizing Him that made them murderers of children, corrupters of the creatures of God, turning away from him that is in want, oppressing him that is afflicted, advocates of the wealthy, unjust judges of the poor, sinful in all things.
Barnabas 21:1
It is good therefore to learn the ordinances of the Lord, as many as have been written above, and to walk in them. For he that doeth these things shall be glorified in the kingdom of God; whereas he that chooseth their opposites shall perish together with his works. For this cause is the resurrection, for this the recompense.
Barnabas 21:2
I entreat those of you who are in a higher station, if ye will receive any counsel of good advice from me, keep amongst you those to whom ye may do good. Fail not.
Barnabas 20:1
But the way of the Black One is crooked and full of a curse. For it is a way of eternal death with punishment wherein are the things that destroy men's souls--idolatry, boldness, exhalation of power, hypocrisy, doubleness of heart, adultery, murder, plundering, pride, transgression, treachery, malice, stubbornness, witchcraft, magic, covetousness, absence of the fear of God;
I guess this guy knew about our recent election.
But the way of the Black One is crooked and full of a curse. For it is a way of eternal death with punishment wherein are the things that destroy men's souls--idolatry, boldness, exhalation of power, hypocrisy, doubleness of heart, adultery, murder, plundering, pride, transgression, treachery, malice, stubbornness, witchcraft, magic, covetousness, absence of the fear of God;
I guess this guy knew about our recent election.
I've just read through those verses... this is my first time in Barnabas... do you guys know what the disputed verses are?
I'm tired (should be asleep!) but my intial thoughts are that I agreed with what it said... so I'm wondering why it's not cannonised... I understand what you're saying about it being rejected on the grounds of being "too Jewish" at a time when the Jewish people were despised
Thanks
Careful researcher!
I'm tired (should be asleep!) but my intial thoughts are that I agreed with what it said... so I'm wondering why it's not cannonised... I understand what you're saying about it being rejected on the grounds of being "too Jewish" at a time when the Jewish people were despised
Thanks
Careful researcher!
Stick with the Bible as it stands
There were many who paraphrased, interpreted scripture, and recorded their views
Just like there are today
Much has been written, but not all is uncorrupted
Extra-biblical commentary can lead one astray
It is a source that can be used to tell anything the author wants to convey
There were many who paraphrased, interpreted scripture, and recorded their views
Just like there are today
Much has been written, but not all is uncorrupted
Extra-biblical commentary can lead one astray
It is a source that can be used to tell anything the author wants to convey
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Careful researcher!
Will do!
QUOTE (Stephen @ Nov 23 2008, 02:35 PM)
Stick with the Bible as it stands
There were many who paraphrased, interpreted scripture, and recorded their views
Just like there are today
Much has been written, but not all is uncorrupted
Extra-biblical commentary can lead one astray
It is a source that can be used to tell anything the author wants to convey
There were many who paraphrased, interpreted scripture, and recorded their views
Just like there are today
Much has been written, but not all is uncorrupted
Extra-biblical commentary can lead one astray
It is a source that can be used to tell anything the author wants to convey
The writer probably was Barnabas from the Book of Acts.
Pay attention:
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Barnabas 4:3
The last offence is at hand, concerning which the scripture speaketh, as Enoch saith. For to this end the Master hath cut the seasons and the days short, that His beloved might hasten and come to His inheritance.
Barnabas 4:4
And the prophet also speaketh on this wise; Ten reigns shall reign upon the earth, and after them shall arise another king, who shall bring low three of the kings under one.
Barnabas 4:5
In like manner Daniel speaketh concerning the same; And I saw the forth beast to be wicked and strong and more intractable than all the beasts of the earth, and how there arose from him ten horns, and from these a little horn and excrescence, and how that it abased under one three of the great horns.
The last offence is at hand, concerning which the scripture speaketh, as Enoch saith. For to this end the Master hath cut the seasons and the days short, that His beloved might hasten and come to His inheritance.
Barnabas 4:4
And the prophet also speaketh on this wise; Ten reigns shall reign upon the earth, and after them shall arise another king, who shall bring low three of the kings under one.
Barnabas 4:5
In like manner Daniel speaketh concerning the same; And I saw the forth beast to be wicked and strong and more intractable than all the beasts of the earth, and how there arose from him ten horns, and from these a little horn and excrescence, and how that it abased under one three of the great horns.
Ten reigns shall be upon the Earth, and at the end of these reigns will rise another king (ruler of the people). He will bring three of the reigns into one kingdom or into one country. Now which three countries are going to become one country? Is it possible that the French, the English and the Spanish will unite as one country, and under whose leadership? What one man would be capable of doing this and where?
The North American Union (U.S., Canada, Mexico) is just on the horizon.
Annie's idea seems more likely... I can't imagine England, Spain and France becoming one...
I am interested in the apocryphia as I would like to know what decisions were made in deciding what should be left out of the bible, especially since some apocryphial works are quoted in scripture, e.g. the book of Enoch in Jude I think.
I am interested in the apocryphia as I would like to know what decisions were made in deciding what should be left out of the bible, especially since some apocryphial works are quoted in scripture, e.g. the book of Enoch in Jude I think.
QUOTE (Earendel @ Nov 24 2008, 04:37 AM)
you have taken this right out of context.
While I respect your opinion on this, Earendel, I draw attention to the context you supplied, Earendel, which was an apocryphal passage you found interesting, and so it is, which is why I introduced another interesting passage, and I did say it was controversial.
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In the closing Two Ways section (chapters 18-21) of The Epistle of Barnabas, a series of moral injunctions is contained, and, controversially, "another gnosis and teaching" is presented (18.1)
Barnabas 18:1 But let us pass on to another lesson and teaching. There are two ways of teaching and of power, the one of light and the other of darkness; and there is a great difference between the two ways. For on the one are stationed the light giving angels of God, on the other the angels of Satan.
John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."
Barnabas 18:1 But let us pass on to another lesson and teaching. There are two ways of teaching and of power, the one of light and the other of darkness; and there is a great difference between the two ways. For on the one are stationed the light giving angels of God, on the other the angels of Satan.
John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."
From the context of my "interesting" studies I have gleaned that Barnabas 18:1 was not considered to be of "apostolic authority" and was not sufficiently aligned with the Gospel message to meet the standard required for canonicity.
A question has been asked about the origin of the biblical canon.
Since their first recordings canonical writings have provided a basis for faith which enables believers to maintain their faithful testimony. Gospel accounts existed in the first century as did apostolic epistles, which along with Revelation, were accepted by the early church as authoritative.
While no formal list of canonical books existed in the first century, Irenaeus and the Muratorian Canon together by A.D.170 gave a list of the same 27 books of the New Testament we now have as the official canon of New Testament Scripture.
Because of false canons and the need for an authoritative standard, the question of canonicity was addressed and finally resolved at the Council of Carthage in A.D.397. The council acknowledged that as the 27 books of the New Testament were both genuine and divinely inspired, they met the standards for canonicity and were to be considered as the authoritative Word of God.
The word "canon" comes from the Greek kanon meaning rule, or straight rod.
In my opinion, while the non-canonical books are "interesting" , the facts behind the reasons for their exclusion from the canon are also interesting.
For a link to more on The Epistle of Barnabas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_of_Barnabas
QUOTE (Michael Coldham-Fussell @ Nov 24 2008, 04:35 AM)
QUOTE (Earendel @ Nov 24 2008, 04:37 AM)
you have taken this right out of context.
Because of false canons and the need for an authoritative standard, the question of canonicity was addressed and finally resolved at the Council of Carthage in A.D.397. The council acknowledged that as the 27 books of the New Testament were both genuine and divinely inspired, they met the standards for canonicity and were to be considered as the authoritative Word of God.
Constantine, who was Caesar of Rome in 325 AD, took over the Church by proclamation. Hence the Church went into the time known as the dark ages. Rome kept everything from the Church. You see, they could not kill us off, though they tried for centuries, so they won over the Church leadership by promising to make Christianity the religion of the state; Caesar called the Bishops together, and the Nicene Creed was adopted. There was a problem with this because Caesar became head of the Church, replacing Christ. The Pope is called the Most Holy Father even to this very day. Blasphemy!
The R/C church today, is the same ancient Roman empire that crucified our Lord and murdered His saints.
Many books which were considered scripture by the Early church Apostles and Prophets were banned and discounted under Roman rule.
So who gets to decide canon?
I think I will trust St. Jude and others who wrote the New Testament, who quoted the Book of Enoch, as does the writer of Barnabas, as to what is scripture.
believe what you will.
Concerning the Book of Enoch...
Some like to claim that if this book was credible, then it would have been included in our bibles today. I think it rather revealing that those making this claim are probably not aware that this book was in the bible for over 500 years. Again the R/C church is responsible.
Some like to claim that if this book was credible, then it would have been included in our bibles today. I think it rather revealing that those making this claim are probably not aware that this book was in the bible for over 500 years. Again the R/C church is responsible.
If Barnabas from the book of Acts wrote Barnabas, then Paul did a terrible job of teaching him very much. Barnabas is full of antisemitic theology. It is full of terrible interpretations of the Old Testament that Paul would never have taught or accepted. Paul warned the Romans to be fearful not to "boast against the branches," which means to be careful not to become arrogant against the unbelieving Jews and the curses that have befallen them for their rejection of Jesus. I think that the epistle of Barnabas is an example of some of the early Christian (not Messianic Jewish like Paul) anti semitic theology that was developing. I would not take that book seriously. There are good reasons that the book was not included in the canon.
QUOTE (Adam Weishaupt @ Nov 24 2008, 09:01 PM)
If Barnabas from the book of Acts wrote Barnabas, then Paul did a terrible job of teaching him very much. Barnabas is full of antisemitic theology. It is full of terrible interpretations of the Old Testament that Paul would never have taught or accepted. Paul warned the Romans to be fearful not to "boast against the branches," which means to be careful not to become arrogant against the unbelieving Jews and the curses that have befallen them for their rejection of Jesus. I think that the epistle of Barnabas is an example of some of the early Christian (not Messianic Jewish like Paul) anti semitic theology that was developing. I would not take that book seriously. There are good reasons that the book was not included in the canon.
I am not against Jews...that would be an oxymoron as a Christian as you pointed out.
...but concerning the faith, ALL unbelievers are reprobate...and it is very sad that most of the world's Jewry are in this sad state.
Consider the words of Jesus:
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
So according to your words, the Lord Himself proclaimed "antisemitic theology" by saying this.
and I will say with Apostle Paul:
Even so then, at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
and again...
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
and yet again...
And so all Israel shall be saved, as it is written: "There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
For this is My covenant unto them when I shall take away their sins."
Regardless of what you think of the book, I see a lot of the word of the Lord in it. A lot.
QUOTE (Earendel @ Nov 24 2008, 07:47 PM)
Concerning the Book of Enoch...
Some like to claim that if this book was credible, then it would have been included in our bibles today. I think it rather revealing that those making this claim are probably not aware that this book was in the bible for over 500 years. Again the R/C church is responsible.
Some like to claim that if this book was credible, then it would have been included in our bibles today. I think it rather revealing that those making this claim are probably not aware that this book was in the bible for over 500 years. Again the R/C church is responsible.
Enoch walked with God and he was taken, because he WAS NOT. That is why Enoch is not in the bible. Enoch came from Cain. Anything associated with the line of Cain will turn murderous.
Earendel
You are on the right track. The Vatican in Rome sits on over 7,000 bonafied, sanctified(given by the Holy Spirit of God) texts. This I personally know from my working with these people in the past. Presently we have 66 canonized works. These have been chosen to give a basic and simple understanding to one and all.
Beyound all doubt, those several thousand noncanonized works give a much fuller and more complete understanding. That is the reason for the lack of them. Just imagine where all of the present Christian religions of this present day would be if all had a more fuller understanding.
It is not hard to see the interest of all Christain religions of the day having a vested interest in keeping as much of God's words as secret as possible. For all would be most informed that the real way to God is personal, and not of any collective effort at all. Just like Enoch! One man with God and God alone!
I have a personal relationship with God. As I seek and find various works out there, I present it to God for verification.
Seek and you will find, ask and you shall know. You are on the right track, expect no help, except from God. The rewarder of all those who seek Him.
Please feel free to PM me some real meat as I would be most anxious to dine with you.
JLM
You are on the right track. The Vatican in Rome sits on over 7,000 bonafied, sanctified(given by the Holy Spirit of God) texts. This I personally know from my working with these people in the past. Presently we have 66 canonized works. These have been chosen to give a basic and simple understanding to one and all.
Beyound all doubt, those several thousand noncanonized works give a much fuller and more complete understanding. That is the reason for the lack of them. Just imagine where all of the present Christian religions of this present day would be if all had a more fuller understanding.
It is not hard to see the interest of all Christain religions of the day having a vested interest in keeping as much of God's words as secret as possible. For all would be most informed that the real way to God is personal, and not of any collective effort at all. Just like Enoch! One man with God and God alone!
I have a personal relationship with God. As I seek and find various works out there, I present it to God for verification.
Seek and you will find, ask and you shall know. You are on the right track, expect no help, except from God. The rewarder of all those who seek Him.
Please feel free to PM me some real meat as I would be most anxious to dine with you.
JLM
double post, sorry bout that
QUOTE (JLM @ Dec 3 2008, 01:42 PM)
Earendel You are on the right track.
The Vatican in Rome sits on over 7,000 bonafied, sanctified(given by the Holy Spirit of God) texts.
This I personally know from my working with these people in the past.
Presently we have 66 canonized works.
These have been chosen to give a basic and simple understanding to one and all.
The Vatican in Rome sits on over 7,000 bonafied, sanctified(given by the Holy Spirit of God) texts.
This I personally know from my working with these people in the past.
Presently we have 66 canonized works.
These have been chosen to give a basic and simple understanding to one and all.
WHO made final dicision as to what books would or would not be in what we call the Bible ?
I say Jesus made the final decision. NO MATTER what man may be cited for this or that input.
No man had the power to thwart Jesus's final decision as to what became "scripture."
QUOTE (JLM @ Dec 3 2008, 01:42 PM)
Beyound all doubt, those several thousand noncanonized works give a much fuller and more complete understanding.
That is the reason for the lack of them.
Just imagine where all of the present Christian religions of this present day would be if all had a more fuller understanding.
That is the reason for the lack of them.
Just imagine where all of the present Christian religions of this present day would be if all had a more fuller understanding.
If these "several thousand" works were released, we would have more dispute and confusion.
We would be WORSE off.
QUOTE (JLM @ Dec 3 2008, 01:42 PM)
It is not hard to see the interest of all Christain religions of the day having a vested interest in keeping as much of God's words as secret as possible. For all would be most informed that the real way to God is personal, and not of any collective effort at all. Just like Enoch! One man with God and God alone! I have a personal relationship with God. As I seek and find various works out there, I present it to God for verification. Seek and you will find, ask and you shall know. You are on the right track, expect no help, except from God. The rewarder of all those who seek Him. Please feel free to PM me some real meat as I would be most anxious to dine with you. JLM
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