http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646


my thoughts:

THE 9-11 TRUTHERS are trying to understand a miracle, a SIGN FROM GOD, a super-natural event.

Since they are using natural logic and reasoning, they’ll never understand the event and the truth.

The 9-11 Disaster was a SIGN FROM GOD.
So was Katrina, the Sept 2008 economic collapse, the Minneapolis bridge collapse, and others.

My point is:
The Big Fuss about the 9-11 (alledged) conspiracy is un-solve-able until the people recognize that God did it.

The continuous collapse of the World Stock Markets and economies,,,,,is not understandable,,,,,,,,until we admit that God is doing it………

God is causing the people to make decisions which drive down the economy and markets.

Gen 35:5 And they journeyed: and the terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them, and they did not pursue after the sons of Jacob.

Pro 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.


Our leaders have not prayed to God, and they’ve not asked us to pray.

Lord Jesus, we pray for a Godly Leader!

Amen.

in 2008,,,,,,,the focus is on 8?

and 8 is the number for Christ Jesus,,,,,,,a NEW CREATION, FIRST FRUITS?...........888 = CHRIST

as with all historic beast kingdoms
God raises them up and uses them for His purpose
Vessels of dishonor
all things serve God

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Ki 3:11 And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;

Absolutely agree! And Pharoah was used for this type of vessel, because the Lord knew his heart beforehand, and knew that he would reject and rebel, thus would be used for ignoble purposes....as opposed to a man of God, who yields himself in absolute faith and belief, and thus can be used for noble purpose.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity." 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. 21 Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.



In His Love,
Suzanne

Thanks, Suzanne,,,,,,,,,,that's a good verse for Calvinists

Calvinism is wrong

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/cutter.html

there's a lot of controversy about the WORLD TRADE CENTER DISASTER.......
conspiracy theories, alledged pay-offs, alledged corruption in high places,

the official govt explanation doesn't satisfy many people

God is using this GREAT CONTROVERSY , which will not die,,,,,,,,to publicize His SIGN FROM GOD

BUILDING NUMBER 7 has a great controversy about it..........it alledgedly collapsed in mysterious circumstances.

7 is God's number

yes. It is of God. God gave me a book to write, which book (called "Bible and Numbers"/Tate Publishing) tells how He has encoded 9/11 with the Rapture of the Church.

If God wanted to give a date to man as to the real starting date for the end times, 9/11 was it!!!

The other day, God even showed me how He had encoded the day Noah boarded the Ark with 9/11! In other words, my book explains how 9/11 was encoded BEFORE THE FLOOD!

I have been trying to sell my book and believe me, it's not easy. But I have faith and I am keeping my faith because I believe that God did not give me this book for naught. The codes He created are there to be known.

Earlier this year, I "went fishing on a line", er... ONLINE and I caught a big fish so-to-say: an interview for the 29 of June 2008 regarding my book.

Some 3 months later, God showed me how He even had encoded the very day I had my radio interview. Guys, I am not a pro. I a a 5 1/2 year old born again Christian, a child by many ways, yet when God showed me that the 29 of June was encoded with 9/11 and the Rapture and how, I just knew that as there was and there is a time for each code to be discovered, there was a time for this interview!

At the time I had no clue!!!



As a matter of fact, the "codes" Gerard Colombat (who co-wrote the book with me; a fellow French citizen) and I discovered many many codes EVER SINCE 9/11!

These codes "tie" the codes Gerard had found in the past 23 years prior to 9/11!

Do you know what it is to "go fishing on the net"? Do you know what it is to go after some guy who exists some where; what it is to go looking for some one who is connected with this vast amount of hundreds of millions of websites in order to get his or her attention to where they will respond to me regarding my book?

Now in looking back, I now realize how easy it was for me to get his interview! The guy called me before he ever finished the book and asked me if I could go "on air" the next day!
Our book is encoded through and through with the Rapture, with the story of Esther, with 9/11 and with Chernobyl!

God has even encoded my home town!
The day God showed me that, you bet my mind was blown. It sounds like bragging, but I can assure you I have absolutely nothing to do with this!
It is "waaaay" above me; so I have made up my mind to just sit back and relax, and enjoy the ride, hoping I can soon talk again on the air about these fantastic codes.

The day the book came out was Ascension Day. Which is interesting since it was this year on 1 May 2008, which date reduces to 1-5-1 and 151 is Jesus Christ' numerics!

Between 2008 and 1777, there were only 4 instances where Ascension Day would fall on 1 May: 1913, 1858, 1845 and 1788. Now since none of these dates reduce to a "1" (are a "1" year as 2008 is), that makes the date of 1 May 2008 UNIQUE!

Plus 1 May 2008 was day 122 and "Tchernobyl" ("Chernobyl" in English; to show you here one code that ties my book with Chernobyl) = 122!

122 was one of the codes Gerard and Idiscovered this year. It is also encoded with 9/11 and with Rosh Hashana. Which Rosh Hashana has all the encoding of the Rapture...

When the Rapture occurs, it will mark the beginning of the countdown to the Day of the Lord, 7 biblical years later. Just as I beleive that 9/11 marked the countdown to the Rapture!

Also these "codes" have showed us that not only has God COUNTED THE DAYS, but THE HOURS as well as the MINUTES are counted!!!

Dennis....

God did not destroy the twin towers and kill all those people.

However...nothing happens in this world that He does not allow.

I think what you posted is exactly what Satan wants people to think about God.

For God to attempt to destroy us on that day....He would be going against His own Word then.

He says He will bless the nation that blesses Israel. We bless Israel to the tune of millions of dollars. And that does not even mention what millions of Americans do as individuals through ministries to that nation and people.

All I ever hear from some is judgement on this country.

I would like to make a suggestion, and that is.... instead of cursing our country.... try lifting us up and praying for His mercy to fall and for God to protect us and for true revival to come.

When you do that....then you show you are truely a child of God.

Ya'll have a happy Thanksgiving.

I have a lot of cooking to do.

my understanding is:
God does not force anyone to be righteous or wicked..........
but, after i make the choice to be a christian, God will (sometimes) over-rule my free-will to cause me to makle decisions to accomplish His Plan (without me realizing His Guidance sometimes)


and those Muslim terrorists.........God did not force them to choose to be sinners,,,,,,,,,but, after they chose to reject righteousness, God guided their thoughts and decisions to accomplish God's plan

as per www.bible-codes.org,,,,,,,,,,,,,God did it.........God did it on a pre-planned date,,,,,,,,,,and He confirmed His Hand in it with SIGNS exactly 1 year later on 9-11-02

the USA sometimes helps Israel..........and sometimes hurts Israel............the QUARTETE'S ROADMAP TO PEACE is hurting Israel...........it's goal is to make Israel so tiny that the nation is not defensible,,,,,,,,,and then the Muslims can (alledgedly) destroy Israel

but, the Bible says that Israel will be a Chosen Nation for God FOREVER

i think its interesting to say that the 911 conspiracy couldnt be true AND a sign from God....

I think that the message Dennis is conveying is that nothing happens without God's approval and predestined plan, just like you said, Happy2Bfree, God may not have destroyed the towers, but that event, among others, was allowed by Him therefore in His plan and therefore perhaps for a lesson. Perhaps, for the purpose you mentioned, so that we may get on our knees and pray, nothing He allows is in vain, I am sure you can say that too maybe?

A great Thanksgiving to you too and all of you. I am thankful for this forum and for people like you all as I truly see brothers and sisters in Christ here. Most of all thank You Father for giving up your Son for us and allowing the Holy Spirit to minister to us.

In Jesus name!
Bb

Dennis .... If that is what you ment... then I agree.

I don't think anything happens in this world without His allowing it.

The way I read it was that God is the one that made the planes fly into the towers. He made man destroy them.

I personally think that what happened is he "allowed" the evil in their hearts to choose.

This is why instead of being with seventy virgins right now, in heaven....the terrorists are realizing who is was that they were actually following all along.

You have a blessed day Dennis.

Galaxee...

I hope you enjoy your Thanksgiving too.

We have a lot in our lives to say thanks for ... even when there is trouble or saddness. When everything hit the fan for me about eight years ago... I still tried to find the littlest things to praise Him for. And I look back...and I am amazed and humbled at how I see the hand of God helping me along the way.

I encourage anyone out there who is going through something.... find something to praise God for. This truely rubs the salt in the enemys wounds. And I believe it opens the door for God to bless you.
He loves you and cares about you.

the 9-11 disaster and the sept 2008 economic sollapse was exactly 7 years apart, as per www.bible-codes.org

was that an accident?.........or did God do it?..........God did it

was the disaster a Bush conspiracy?.........i have no idea.........but, if it was, God guided the event,,,,,,,,,,yet, God is not a sinner, and He doesn't pre-destine any-one to be a sinner or a Saint

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as per www.bible-codes.org,
Katrina's eye hit the HURRICANE TRACKING CENTER in florida, EXACTLY,,,,,,,,,,,then the storm went on to destroy New Orleans

This was a SIGN that God puts the storms exactly where, how, and when God wants to.
These Storms are not random.
God is in the Storm.
Nah 1:3 The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

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Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Pro 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

if i ask God to guide my thoughts, decisions, etc..........He will do that, even when i'm not aware of it

if i ask satan to guide my thoughts, decisions, etc,,,,,,,,,,satan will do it, as long as God permits it.

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the un-saved are under the control/influence of demons and satan,,,,,,,,,,,and under God's control , also..............so, the un-saved will perform satan's (and God's ) will, sometimes,,,,,,,,,,,,,even when they don't realize it

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in the exodus, 3500 years ago,
God hardened Pharoah's heart, so that God could finish all 10 plagues, before Pharoah capitulated.

Pharoah would not have lasted until the 10th plague, without God's hardening

but, pharoah was a hard man, before God hardened him further...........(pharoah was an en-slaver of the hebrews)

my point is:
God manipulates people and events, to accomplish God's Plan,
but, God never forces any-one into salvation or damnation.

We can trust that God is working everything for the Redemption of all people, because God is love.

but, many people will reject God's salvation, and will be un-saved

on a very small scale,,,,,,,,,i sometimes "manipulate" people (in a good way),,,,,,,,,but, i should always be motivated towards love and redemption and blessing for all

when your pastor does his ministry,,,,,,,,,,he is (sort of) manipulating people for a blessing (salvation, edification, maturity, education, etc)

when the Sheriff puts people in jail,,,,,,,,,,it is for their good,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a good sheriff should be motivated by perfect love

Did God "guide" it or did God "allow" it?

There is a difference. I think God allows us to choose to do evil or good.

I do not think that God causes the destruction himself.

I would even go so far to say that I bet the Holy Spirit even put a question about if this was right or not in the minds of those terrorists.

I believe they had a chance to choose to do the right thing. But they ignored it.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.

God caused the 10 plagues on egypt
and ordered Israel to kill every man, woman, and child in the 7 Caanan nations,
and killed ANNANIAS AND SAPHIRA in the NT
and rained destruction, fire, death, and brimstone on Sodom,
and , with the Flood, God killed all the world, except Noah's family of 8,
AND on and on and on

God often kills, the bible is full of God's killing............multitudes will be destroyed/tormented in the LAKE OF FIRE

God is love,,,,,,,,,,,but, if we reject Him, He will kill us with the second death (the LAKE OF FIRE)

doesn't anyone believe the bible anymore?

the OT God = the NT God..........He's the same God

the Muslim terrorists knew that their actions were evil,,,,,,,,they had a conscience,,,,,,,,,and they chose to be sinners,
and God arranged for these terrorists to do a certain act on a certain day

911 is famous for the "emergency call number" on the telephone, which was part of God's SIGN,,,,,,,,the disaster was God's message to the world,,,,,,,,,that this is an EMERGENCY..........you must repent and believe, or a greater disaster will follow soon

it's apparent to me that you've not read and believed the articles at www.bible-codes.org

THIS IS A POOR TRANSLATION,,,,,,,,,,,,,a better translation is.............GOD CREATES AND CAUSES CALAMITY (not evil)

God is not a sinner,,,,,,,,,,and He doesn't pre-destine anyone to be a sinner or a Saint

calvinism is heresy

Would that USA was a blessing to Israel. Sadly, USA is the most insidious of enemies of Israel.

Certainly there are many Christian American citizens that think highly of Israel.

But at the highest levels of USA government there is much contempt for the Christian/bible prophecy view of Israel.

The whole "Israel and Moslem/PLO nations living side by side in peace" is a heathen PIPEDREAM.

USA government sided WITH Moslem terrorist in Afghanistan and the Balkans.

USA public in general loves Saudi oil more than it loves Israel.

Not that other temporal nations are any better. All temporal nations are Satan dominated.

[look what Satan offered Jesus, ... and Jesus did not dispute Satan's ability to deliver]

America's problem is that "more given, more expected", and in regard to having access to TRUTH,

Americans have been given much more than most of the Rest of the World.

Power is shifting back to the home continent of the Great Whore.

[USA bankrupting itself to protect Europe while aiding Europe to unite and create new industrial infrastructure]

the quartet's ROADMAP TO PEACE is a plan to reduce Israel's size back to pre-1967 borders......(which is so tiny and narrow,,,,,it would be impossible to defend in wartime, without a miracle)

and the USA has been promoting this Plan since 1985,,,,,,,,,,the USA is the ARCHITECT of the Plan,,,,,,,,,

most americans know so little about the bible,,,,,,,,,,they don't know what the Bible says we should do about Israel.

the USA, as a whole,,,,,,,,,is a great enemy of the CHRISTIAN CHURCH and the ELECT NATION ISRAEL.

we've taught evolution to our school-children for 40 years, to destroy their faith in jesus/bible.........and we promote the destruction of Israel with the ROADMAP TO PEACE

KJV

Isa 45:7 I formH3335 the light,H216 and createH1254 darkness:H2822 I makeH6213 peace,H7965 and createH1254 evil:H7451 IH589 the LORDH3068 doH6213 allH3605 theseH428 things.

ra‛ râ‛âh
rah, raw-aw'
From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil [/b](naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun: - adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, [b]evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, + not please, sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong. [Including feminine ra’ah; as adjective or noun.]

The Bible is pretty clear that our doctrine about God is very much in error.

God does all these things. no matter how we want to ignore it. God created Satan for a purpose.

(Isa.54:16) I have created the waster to destroy.

Sorry, no getting away from it.The Bible is clear.

C

God created Satan for a purpose.


I completely agree with your above post, in particular the portion above!


It is such a misunderstood thing, as well as the understanding of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It ties in. It has purpose with regard to the perfection of God and His Creations.

It is all so perfect, and so necessary.

And particularly in regard to "freewill". There must be outcomes for the choices of Good/God and Evil/Satan.



In His Love,
Suzanne

we serve 2 different gods.

my God is not a calvinist............He does not sin,,,,,,,,,,,and He does not pre-destine any-one to be a sinner or a Saint

EELS is not my brother .............Eels is a Calvinist

satan was sinless, when God first created him,,,,,,,,,,,,later, satan sinned by satan's free-will

calvinism is a slander against God's good character and Love.

satan was blameless, perfect, full of wisdom and beauty, anointed, ............UNTIL SIN WAS FOUND IN SATAN

EZE 28;15 AMPLIFIED BIBLE

EZE 28;12-19

(also, this is a foreshadow of the a/c in the trib, .........the king of babylon,,,,,,,,,compare to isa 14;12-15,
dan 7;8-28
2 thess 2;1-12
rev 13
rev 19;20)


satan was good,,,,,,,,,,,until he chose by free-will to be a sinner

my God is not a Calvinist

It seems that you are right.

Dear dennis,

I am not a calvinist either. Nor do I believe in it. BUT, I do believe that in defense of free-will and the purpose of Satan. It is very clearly explained in regard to Pharoah and the verses in 2 Timothy 2:19-21. Which I know you already commented on in another thread that I posted on.

The verses explain that you can be used for noble purposes or ignoble purposes, such as Pharoah, due to the fact that he kept blaspheming God's Holy Spirit each time that God revealed Himself. Pharoah chose rather to be "prideful" and thus was used in a manner that was to bring glory to God and discipline to those who needed discipline. But Pharoah continued to be very prideful rather than believe and yield to God. This is freewill in action, we are free to choose whom we will serve, BUT we are not free to choose our consequences, thus he was ultimately destroyed. This is THE PURPOSE of Satan.


If you read the story of the Leviathan which is symbolic for the Devil, you can see AGAIN that there is a very clear purpose for Him....He deals with the children of pride, ultimately, such as the likes of Pharoah.


Job 41:34 He beholds every high thing; He is king over all the children of pride."


Just didn't want you to think that I am promoting a calvinistic doctrine. I am not.


In His Love,
Suzanne

"He worketh ALL things after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL"
-Ephesians 1:11

God is ALMIGHTY, OMNIPOTENT. GOD IS IN CONTROL OF ALL HIS CREATION... ALL MEN; collectively and individually...HIS WILL BE DONE!


Behold, he breaketh down, and it cannot be built again: he shutteth up a man, and there can be no opening.

Behold, he withholdeth the waters, and they dry up: also he sendeth them out, and they overturn the earth.

With him [is] strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver [are] his.

He leadeth counsellors away spoiled, and maketh the judges fools.

He looseth the bond of kings, and girdeth their loins with a girdle.

He leadeth princes away spoiled, and overthroweth the mighty.

He removeth away the speech of the trusty, and taketh away the understanding of the aged.

He poureth contempt upon princes, and weakeneth the strength of the mighty.

He discovereth deep things out of darkness, and bringeth out to light the shadow of death.

He increaseth the nations, and destroyeth them: he enlargeth the nations, and straiteneth them [again].

He taketh away the heart of the chief of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a wilderness [where there is] no way.

They grope in the dark without light, and he maketh them to stagger like [a] drunken [man].

Job 12:14-25

"I the LORD do all these [things]." -Isaiah 45:7


"Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Is.45:9

Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Calvin's God causes randomly selected men to be sinners.........

but

my God is not a sinner,,,,,,,and He tempts no man,,,,,,,,,,and He does not pre-destine any man to be a sinner or a Saint

calvinism is wrong

God created satan sinless,,,,,,,,but , later, satan sinned

and angels (including satan) have no opportunity to be redeemed.

men can be redeemed, if they believe and repent, but not angels or demons...........Why doesn't God save angels or demons?

mankind were deceived.
angels and demons were never decieved...........the demons were the decievers..........that's the difference

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Where is this statement found in the Word of God. Let us discuss it.

Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.



God seems to be talking to satan here.............the king of tyre is a TYPE of satan...............satan operates thru people and govts like the king of Tyre................
satan is the "god of this world"



Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.



satan was created by god ..........beautiful,,,,,,,,,,his voice was like a musical instrument




Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.


satan was perfect and holy,,,,,,,,,until he sinned, by satan's free-will



Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.




sinful pride of beauty




Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=45;


the amplified bible is better than the KJV


Ezekiel 28 (Amplified Bible)

Ezekiel 28
1THE WORD of the Lord came again to me, saying,
2Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre, Thus says the Lord God: Because your heart is lifted up and you have said and thought, I am a god, I sit in the seat of the gods, in the heart of the seas; yet you are only man [weak, feeble, made of earth] and not God, though you imagine yourself to be almost more than mortal with your mind as the mind of God;

3Indeed, you are [imagining yourself] wiser than Daniel; there is no secret [you think] that is hidden from you;

4With your own wisdom and with your own understanding you have gotten you riches and power and have brought gold and silver into your treasuries;

5By your great wisdom and by your traffic you have increased your riches and power, and your heart is proud and lifted up because of your wealth;

6Therefore thus says the Lord God: Because you have imagined your mind as the mind of God [having thoughts and purposes suitable only to God Himself],(A)

7Behold therefore, I am bringing strangers upon you, the most terrible of the nations, and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of your wisdom [O Tyre], and they shall defile your splendor.

8They shall bring you down to the pit [of destruction] and you shall die the [many] deaths of all the Tyrians that are slain in the heart of the seas.

9Will you still say, I am a god, before him who slays you? But you are only a man [made of earth] and no god in the hand of him who wounds and profanes you.

10You shall die the death of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers, for I have spoken it, says the Lord God.

11Moreover, the word of the Lord came to me, saying,

12Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, Thus says the Lord God: You are the full measure and pattern of exactness [giving the finishing touch to all that constitutes completeness], full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13You were in [a]Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, the carnelian, topaz, jasper, chrysolite, beryl, onyx, sapphire, carbuncle, and emerald; and your settings and your sockets and engravings were wrought in gold. On the day that you were created they were prepared.

14You were the anointed cherub that covers with overshadowing [wings], and I set you so. You were upon the holy mountain of God; you walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire [like the paved work of gleaming sapphire stone upon which the God of Israel walked on Mount Sinai].©

15You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until iniquity and guilt were found in you.

16Through the abundance of your commerce you were filled with lawlessness and violence, and you sinned; therefore I cast you out as a profane thing from the mountain of God and the guardian cherub drove you out from the midst of the stones of fire.

17Your heart was proud and lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I lay you before kings, that they might gaze at you.

18You have profaned your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities and the enormity of your guilt, by the unrighteousness of your trade. Therefore I have brought forth a fire from your midst; it has consumed you, and I have reduced you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all who looked at you.

19All who know you among the people are astonished and appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and shall never return to being.(D)

20Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying,

21Son of man, set your face toward Sidon and prophesy against her.

22And say, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Sidon, and I will show forth My glory and be glorified in the midst of you. And they shall know (understand and realize) that I am the Lord when I execute judgments and punishments in her, and am set apart and separated and My holiness is manifested in her.

23For I will send pestilence into her and blood into her streets, and the wounded shall be judged and fall by the sword in the midst of her on every side, and they shall know (understand and realize) that I am the Lord [the Sovereign Ruler, Who calls forth loyalty and obedient service].

24And there shall be no more a brier to prick the house of Israel or a hurting thorn of all those around them who have treated them with contempt, and they shall know (understand and realize) that I am the Lord God [the Sovereign Ruler, Who calls forth loyalty and obedient service].

25Thus says the Lord God: When I gather the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and I shall be set apart and separated and My holiness made apparent in them in the sight of the nations, then shall they dwell in their own land which I gave to My servant Jacob.

26And they shall dwell safely in it and shall build houses and plant vineyards; yes, they shall dwell securely and with confidence when I have executed judgments and punishments upon all those round about them who have despised and trodden upon them and pushed them away, and they shall know (understand and realize) that I am the Lord their God [their Sovereign Ruler, Who calls forth loyalty and obedient service].



Footnotes:

Ezekiel 28:13 This speech, though not addressed to Satan in and of himself, seems to be ironically spoken against his evil genius fulfilling itself in and through the human ruler who appropriates to himself the honors due only to God, as in the case of the king of Babylon (Isa. 14:12-15). Here is to be seen a foreshadowing of "the beast" who is to attribute to himself divine rights in the time of the end (Dan. 7:8-28; II Thess. 2:1-12; Rev. 13; 19:20).

Cross references:
Ezekiel 28:6 : Obad 3
Ezekiel 28:13 : Gen 3:14, 15; Isa 14:12-15; Matt 16:23
Ezekiel 28:14 : Exod 24:10
Ezekiel 28:19 : Isa 23; Joel 3:4-8; Amos 1:9, 10; Zech 9:3, 4

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
this verse can't be true of the KING OF TYRE...........men are born in sin, concieved in iniquity, we inherit sinfulness from adam and eve

but the angels and satan were CREATED INNOCENT, BLAMELESS, HOLY.............later, satan and 1/3 of the angels rebelled against god

so, this verse speaks of satan , an angel who sinned and fell from heaven

(Rev.20:1) And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. (2) And he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, (3) and cast him into the abyss, and shut [it], and sealed [it] over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years should be finished: after this he must be loosed for a little time.

So why would God want to release Satan again, AFTER He has captured him. Look: he was already in the abyss and sealed and shut it.............but then God decides to let him out,

WHY?

(Rev.20:7) And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, (8) and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (9) And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down out of heaven, and devoured them. (10) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire…(11) And I saw a great white throne….

God needs him to decieve the nations at the end again.


Here God GIVES authority to the BEAST, so that he can kill God's people:


(Rev.13:7) And it was given unto him (the beast) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.

God GIVES that authority for the beast to kill us.

Hi,

The only scripture that came to my mind is this one concerning blessing Jerusalem.
It doesn't say nation, so I was wondering which scripture states about the blessing/
prosper and cursing of nations? Thanks.

King James Bible
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

God uses satan to teach us.

(1 Tim.1:20) of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I delivered unto Satan, that they might be taught not to blaspheme.

(2 Cor.12:7) And by reason of the exceeding greatness of the revelations, that I should not be exalted overmuch there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger (Greek: angelos, “angel”) of Satan to buffet me, that I should not be exalted overmuch. Paul says the thorn was an angel of Satan to buffet him. The word “buffet” means “to hit over and over.” You can see that this evil spirit was given to Paul to fulfill God’s purpose of humbling him.

The Bible is full of examples of how God uses evil to bring His people to repentance. Go is sovereign. If He was not, then He could never say:“All things work together for the good.”. If satan could do as he pleases, then how can the Bible say that the curse cannot come to us, if there is no cause? : “the curse that is causeless alighteth not” (Pr.26:2).

God uses evil, although He is without sin:(Jdg.9:22) And Abimelech was prince over Israel three years. (23) And God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

(Jn.6:44) No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day. That is not a free will. We cannot even choose to come to God.

when i heard the gospel preached, i saw the truth of the gospel,,,,,,,,but, i was reluctant to be a christian,,,,,,,because i didn't want the bible to be true,,,,,,,,i didn't want to repent,,,,,,,,,,i didn't want to sell all that i have and give the money to the poor

but, i eventually decided to believe, by my free-will

the judaizer is un-saved.........read galatians

rcc is worse than judaizer

calvinism is worse than rcc

calvin said that God does not want to save the lost

calvin said that the elect are re-generated BEFORE they believe the gospel............(that's salvation WITHOUT faith, which contradicts the bible)

salvation is through faith...........God saves the believer (not the un-believer)

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

It only felt like your free will, because God had grace unto you and willed in you to will to choose him

NO flesh will ever choose God, because its God's enemy.

Rom 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:

So you are saying you are in disagreement with the Bible and you are saying that you CAN be subject to God's law out of your free will. You are wrong, you never "chose" God......He called YOU and then granted you the grace to say "Yes Lord"

i am learning and believing this is true, more and more each day

Do you Bible search engine often ?

Amazing technology allowing scripture search in minutes that manually might take weeks.

Why make believe/pointless prayers? Like praying for middle east peace. War is ordained to come to middle east. Waste of time praying for middle east peace. Might as well pray, "Lord, please stop everbody in the world from sinning this week" or "Lord, please make everybody in the world happy and well today" Why stop there: just pray "Lord, save everybody in the world today" Why fret over the welfare of Israel or Jerusalem? Jesus already knows all about everything that is going on there and everywhere else for that matter. And people there are no more or less important than people in Podunk Arkansas.

Why pray especially for particular people? Is there anything I know about anybody that Jesus doesn't already know ?
Why ask Jesus for this and that? He already knows what we need when we don't really know for sure what we need.

Jesus promises that those that "delight theirself in Jesus" will recieve the "desires of their heart."
Doesn't get any better than that. Those that "wait on the Lord" will "mount up in due season" will "gain new streangth".
Jesus's Rev promises to bless whosoever will "heed" it. "pray without ceasing". Amen.

NT records Jesus noticing who did or did not say "thank you."

Maybe an angel is assigned to keeping track of how many times people thank Jesus for this or that.

I want to at least be in the running for most "thank you Jesus" final tally. At least be in the top ten percent. Don't you ?

I hope you DO exceed my final tally. But you'll have to expedite to do it !

Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives
And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you;
And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you,
And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;
And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." Gen 12:1-3


Numbers 22-24 are also interesting regarding blessing Israel

Jesus was led up into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. It was the Holy Spirit that led him to the place of temptation. For the purpose of trail. It was the devil that did the tempting. God "hardened the heart of Pharoah". How did he do this? Well by Pharoah's love affair with the satanic of course!

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.


i chose the Lord, i rejected satan...........by my free-will

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!


jesus wanted to save the people of jerusalem, but they rejected Him...........they chose satan


calvinists hate the bible, so they twist the scripture..............i love the bible, even when it slays me

why does God bless the Elect so much?
Why does God punish and hate the non-elect so much?

it's not random, as the calvinists claim


the elect are those who, by their free-will, chose to love God, love, righteousness, humility, etc

the non-elect chose to hate God , love, righteousness, humility, etc

salvation is not random

there is a logical and righteous reason .........why God loves and blesses the Elect (but not the non-elect)

and, of course, the calvinists know all of this, but they hate it,,,,,,,,,,so they lie against the bible

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” —1 Timothy 2:3–4

calvinism is wrong..............paul said so, many times

Dennis said:


That is right Dennis, they had no choice, God made them do it. Here above you are saying the same thing.

C

of course you twist my words,,,,,,,,,,,,you're a bible-twister

my position is:

God does not pre-destine (force) anyone to be elect or non-elect

but
God sometimes over-rules my (and your) free-will to do certain things, to accomplish His Plan

the people who died in Katrina and 9-11 (both were SIGNS FROM GOD) had no right to be un-saved on that day...........if anyone died in the God-caused-disasters,,,,,,,,they SHOULD HAVE been christians (saved), by free-will, on that day

when a child reaches the "age of accountability",,,,,,,,,,,he must be saved (otherwise, he's an idiot-fool for waiting)...........if he waits to get saved, he might die, and be lost forever

so, if anyone died UN-SAVED in any of GOD'S SIGNS/DISASTERS.......it's not God's fault............every person must be saved, even from childhood, continuously , until death or rapture

our fragility-of-life,....and our susceptibility-to-death-at-any-moment,,,,,,,,,,should force us to be christians in every moment of our adult lives............(lest we die un-saved )

in my life, sometimes i was un-saved as an adult...........and that was lunacy!............i was horribly foolish and wicked...........(not God's fault!)

and everybody knows all of this,,,,,,,,,,,even the calvinists,,,,,,,,,,,,but they won't admit it..........they just keep attacking the Truth

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” —1 Timothy 2:3–4

calvinism is wrong..............paul said so, many times

LOL SO you are playing both sides of the coin as it suits you. Sorry, but your posts are just your opinion and have no real Scriptural basis.



OK Dennis, I am done with this thread.