QUOTE (Stephen @ Nov 17 2008, 09:05 PM)

I believe that the Bible prophets visions are focused upon the Middle East and not Europe
Revelation tells us that the beast has only 7 kingdoms [heads]
We know that the first 5 have already come and gone
There are only two left
We also know that a number of different rulers of the Middle East have existed since then including Rome
None of these are kingdoms of satan's beast who only has 7
He once "was" [ruling over the first 5 .... the last was the northern Greek .... Syrio/Babylonia], then was "not" .... and still is not
And he will come out of the abyss [yet "is"] to rule again
This must mean that the scope of the prophets visions is limited and does not present Middle eastern rulers from the first century up to this day
When Rome ruled .... the beast was "not"
Satan was and has been active throughout the last 2,000 years, but his beast who ruled for him in the Middle East is still in the abyss where he cannot interact with humanity
If the last 2,000 years was in the scope then the visions would contain many more than just 7 consecutive rulers of the Middle East
The beast and his followers will rise out of the geographics of the ancient Middle East where he ruled before the first century
The visions of the time of the end recorded in Ezekiel and Daniel attest to this fact
This is the area where Israel has returned and is surrounded by the nation's ancient enemies
This must be the setting for the time of the end
The nations outside of the Middle East will be subdued by the beast and his followers during the tribulation period
This same area is where the Lord will rule from Jerusalem just after the tribulation period
If we are close to the begining of the time of the end, the beast [the little horn] and his followers will be the Islamics of the Middle East
Scripture identifies these ancient enemies of Israel who are the same inhabitants of the Middle East today
Daniel’s vision of the primary rulers of the Middle East is limited in scope and the student of Bible prophecy needs to consider this when interpreting those of the ancient past and future. Distinct changes of the elements in the scope of the vision represent changes in human rule of the Middle East except for the 6th and the 7th where the iron element is contained in both. These are the major rulers of the Middle East from ancient times to the present:
Post Flood (not included in the vision of the image)
1. Land of Magog ad his brothers
2. Akkadian/Assyrian
Ancient Image Elements
3. Neo-Babylonian – One head of gold
(Medo/Persian) – Two arms of silver
4. Persian – One chest of silver
5. Greek – One belly of Bronze
(Greek North/South) – Two thighs of bronze
Non-Image Elements (not included in the vision of the image)
These are all subsequent major rulers of the Middle East with distinctive changes, but they do not appear in the scope of visionary prophecy and all exist between the end of the 69th week decreed for national Israel and the beginning of the future 70th week.
Roman
Arabian
Seljuk
Kurd
Mongol
Mamluk
Turk
British
10 primary Islamic nation states and Israel (current)
Future Image Elements
6. Unnamed (North (little horn)/South) – Two - legs of iron
7. Unnamed (10 divisions ruled by little horn/beast) – Feet and toes of iron and clay
8. The Lord’s millennial Kingdom – Stone
There is a break in the image elements presented between the 5th and the 6th. This period represents the last 2,000+ years of history (list of non-image elements) and is still running. It corresponds with the lapse time of the 70 weeks of years (490 years) decreed for national Israel which began in 445 B.C. under Persian rule. 483 years of this time lapse transpired at approximately 33 A.D and the balance of 7 years is still pending. This future period will include the future image elements of the 6th and 7th which are unnamed and unknown, and then the Lord’s millennial Kingdom which will replace all human rule, will be centered in Israel and the Middle East, and will include the entire world.
Daniel’s other corresponding vision of the 4 “beast” dominions of the Middle East includes the rule of Neo-Babylon, Persia, and Alexander’s Asian dominion (his kingdom was broken and the two bronze thighs represent the kingdoms of the northern and southern Greeks who ruled the Middle East, one north of Jerusalem and one south). The 4th dominion is a combination of the 6th and 7th elements of the unnamed and unknown rulers of the Middle East at the future time of the end. The 6th will be the northern iron leg (northern sector of the Middle East) of the little horn/beast who will conquer the southern iron leg, the rest of the Middle East, and Israel. He will rule over the Middle East for 42 months with 10 other kings, will cause horrific destruction and upheaval for the rest of the world, and then his kingdom will be destroyed and replaced by the Lord’s millennial Kingdom.
Revelation has this same identical line up and limited scope of image elements and they are described as the 7 heads (dominions) of Satan’s angelic beast who rules over the Middle East. The first two elements not included in Daniel’s vision are added to the next 5 in the scope bringing the total to the 7 dominions of the Middle East. This is why the beast has 7 heads (dominions) in the scope of the visions of which 5 have fallen (are historical) and two will exist in the future in succession. The 6th will be the one that “is” (at the beginning of the 70th week) and the 7th will follow. The beast’s 6th rule will be a small (little horn) northern kingdom located in the Middle East, and he will expand it into the 7th divided kingdom of iron and clay. The chapters for study are Daniel 2, 7, and 8; Revelation 17.
The return of Abaddon-Apollyon, a fallen angelic, is a given in scripture and just who the little human horn will be is not known yet.
The little horn will appear in the northern Middle East rising up among 10 other Middle Eastern kings who will follow him at the time of the end .... his appearance will occur just at the beginning of the tribulation period.
Abaddon is the first beast of Revelation who will come out of the abyss .... released by satan. Here the term "beast" is used to describe a fallen angelic.
This term is used differently in Daniel's visions and symbolizes the succession of different Middle Eastern empires ... three historical and the future and last of Abaddon-Apollyon's human dominions.
This final dominion will include two phases ... a 6th smaller dominion in the northern Middle East followed quickly by an expanded dominion of the region with 10 other kings.
His presence on the earth and actions are noted specifically in chapters 9, 11, 13, 14, 16, 17, and 19. He is the "angelic prince" that shall come to rule again and stand against the Messiah Prince ....Jesus Christ at the time of the end [Daniel 9:24-27].
This beast [in the little horn] will conquer the Middle East including Israel, and will fend off all other national opposition including the noted destruction of the "great city" [civilization] of the Gentiles [Revelation 17,18].
Those who oppose his rule from the south, far east, and far north outside of the Middle East proper will be vanquished [Daniel 11:36-44, 12:7].
The Lord's two Israelite prophets will stand for the Lord against this entity and his false prophet [also a fallen angelic who will manifest in two human cleric leaders of the two main branches of Islam] during his 42 month rule of a conquered Israel [last 1,260 days of the 7 year tribulation period].
The Lord will protect His two prophets during their service which will take place in Jerusalem, which will be occupied by the little horn and his followers .... the adherents of Islam.
The Lord will then turn on him and his human followers and destroy them in the next 30 days consumating in the battle of Armageddon [Revelation 16, 19].
The beast and the false prophet will be destroyed in the lake of fire [only the Lord can destroy angelics], the little horn and his followers will become bird food and their remains will be buried by Israel, and satan will be tossed into the same abyss where the beast was before his release [Revelation 19,20].
Mohammud's claims of a visitation by Gabriel were false and he was most likely visited by satan .... or it is possible that he just made the whole story up to support his ambitions of control and conquest.
The situation in the Middle East today is ripe for the coming of the "other prince" .... the Mahdi of the Islamic nation.
Stephen do you see the siging of the next peace accord (probably an extension of the Oslo accords) the one in which God says is the covenant of
"death and hell"? It was my understanding that the a/c was referred to as the "king of the north" which at some point invades the middle-east and
basically sets up shop in Jerusalem. We shouldn't confuse the king of the north with the Gog and MaGog war which is Russia and it's arab allies
attacking Israel at some point during tribulation.. as it says they will go up against Israel when she is resting in peace and without fear of her enemies
attacking her....
just wondering as there is quite a few end-time experts and they don't all agree to what country the a/c will come out of and who the false prophet
will be... everyone is focussed on Mr. Obama as he does fit the discription given us of the a/c's personality etc.
God Bless,
Taltimbr.