And who is it that attends to the Rev. 17:1-5 ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH ones windy prayers??
In Isaiah 59:1-2 we see the Same Holy Spirit FILLED TRUTH telling us.. 'BEHOLD, the LORD'S hand [IS NOT SHORTENED, THAT IT CANNOT *SAVE,] neither [HIS EAR HEAVY THAT IT CANNOT HEAR]. But [YOUR INIQUITIES **HAVE SEPARATED BETWEEN **YOU** AND YOUR GOD], [**THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR]' Hear what??? Your Prayers!!
Got that????? Does one REALLY BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD??? OPEN KNOWN SIN SEPARATED ANY & ALL PROFESSED CHRISTIAN'S PRAYERS FROM GOD, SO HE DOCUMENTS THAT HE WILL NOT HEAR THEM!! See Heb. 13:8 for the NEVER Changing Christ!
OK: Is the Elijah message to be clear or not?? In the N.T. Holy Spirit Covenant side.. as some want to call it, we see in John 9:31 the [exact same truth 'documented'!]
'Now [WE KNOW that GOD HEARETH NOT SINNERS]: [but if any [MAN BE A WORSHIPER OF GOD, **AND DOETH HIS WILL, **HIM GOD HEARETH.]'(or her)
SO?? If one is found to be praying in any form of the word, open, closed, tongues, unknown tongues or whatever they claim? even if it was a truth, [IF THEY ARE NOT DOING THE GODHEADS WILL], God WILL NOT HEAR THEM! Got that?? (me you or anybody else)
Now: When this is the case, what spirit is in control of that prayer life?? Again see Acts 5:32 for Whom the Holy Spirit is [Conditionally] given to!
And now we come to the Holy Spirits last day Inspiration! Are you ready for the Second Coming of Christ?? PREPARE O MEET THY GOD! The MESSAGE was always about True Agape LOVE! The very 'elect' would be deceived [IF] it were possible! And if God had not sent (or if they rejected to go) the Elijah, Elias, John the Baptist message, and the Three Angels Messages of Rev. 14:6-10, then the Broadway ones & the Rev. 17:1-5 ones would have been a MUCH larger group of Eternally lost ones!
When one gets to heaven and looks over the Record Books, it is then that we will see who it was that are not there just because this 'message' was just not to their likeing! So the 'sin of omission' is recorded by their name as for the reason that they are not there.
What needed to be exposed for one to not be deceived and Eternally lost? First off was mentioned that prayer will not be heard unless the 'Eternal' CONDITIONS are met! And what are a few of the Conditions for prayers to be heard and answered of God? We saw in John 9:31 that OBEDIENCE, THE DOING OF GODS WILL, was TOP PRIORITY!
And the others who God will not hear are..
'He that sayeth, I know Him, and keepeth not His Commandments, [IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM].' (or her)
And James 2:10-12 (in part).. 'For [whosoever shall keep the whole law, and **OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL.]' + So [SPEAK YE, and SO DO], as [THEY SHALL BE JUDGED BY THE LAW OF LIBERTY.] (compare Ecc; 12:13-14 Whole duty!)
And now we come to these ones OPEN DOCUMENTED sins. Does our LOVE for them just let them keep on teaching false doctrines?? Is that loving them?? Does True Agape Love for you, just leave you to be lost for all of Eternity by remaining silent as the dead??? Or is it just that these ones that are the Abomination of the earth at the ending, and did or could not have any of these ones leave this false stuff before that time?? NO to that question! For we see the Rev. 18:4's FINAL WARNING GIVEN, if one LOVES Christ enough!! (Rev. 3:16-17) And that is what this is ALL ABOUT!
Now for 'Present Truth!' Who answers these ones prayers??
Open Sin number 1: God LIED & the devil told the truth as in Gen. 3:1-4, this is the bottom/line devil's false teaching of most professed Christians of today.
Sin number 2: Is that there is NO Godhead of three separate individuals. This in Truth is the Everlasting Doctrine of Christ as seen in 2 John 1:8-11 & 1 John 5:7.
Sin number 3: Is the folly of satan as seen in Dan. 7:25 where the Eternal Covenant of Heb. 13:20's Ten Commandments are tried to be laid aside by rome, (and her harlot daughters) and with even the Godheads Blessed & Set aside 7th Day Sabbath for Holy use day substituted with satan's 'fruit offering's' of the worshiping of the sun day.
[u]And there will be more to follow!
--Elijah
[/u] [/size] CREDITS TO ANOTHER POSTER FOR HIS STUDY WORK! [size="2"]Scripture reads,
Ps. 66:16 "Come and hear, all ye that fear Elohim, and I will declare what he hath done for my soul. 17 I cried unto him with my mouth, and he was extolled with my tongue. 18 If I regard iniquity in my heart, Yahweh will not hear me: 19 But verily Elohim hath heard me; he hath attended to the voice of my prayer. 20 Blessed be Elohim, which hath not turned away my prayer, nor his mercy from me."
Isa. 1:12 "When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? 13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. 14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. 15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood."
Jer. 7:13 "And now, because ye have done all these works, saith Yahweh, and I spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and I called you, but ye answered not; 14 Therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. 15 And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim. 16 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee."
Jer. 11:13 "For according to the number of thy cities were thy elohim, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Baal. 14 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble."
Jer. 14:10 Thus saith Yahweh unto this people, Thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore Yahweh doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins.
11 Then said Yahweh unto me, Pray not for this people for their good. 12 When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence."
Amo 5:20 "Shall not the day of Yahweh be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? 21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. 22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts. 23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols."
Mic 3:1 "And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment? 2 Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones; 3 Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron. 4 Then shall they cry unto Yahweh, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings."
The conclusion I get is, even when we turn to our creator in a time of need there will be times when our creator will not hear our prayer. Scripture reveals,
"...to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin" (James 4:17). "And the times of this ignorance Yahweh winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (Acts 17:30) "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Heb 10:26)
It just simply is not true that we will be accepted with open arms no matter what when we turn to our savior. For MANY who turn to him in a time not acceptable his reply to them will be, depart from me! [Mt. 7:21-23] "(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)" (2Co 6:2)
Agape In Messiah,
Kevin
Full Version: Not Doctrinal Debate, Just Gospel Facts!
QUOTE
and who is it that attends to the rev. 17:1-5 abomination of the earth ones windy prayers??
in isaiah 59:1-2 we see the same holy spirit filled truth telling us.. 'behold, the lord's hand [is not shortened, that it cannot *save,] neither [his ear heavy that it cannot hear]. but [your iniquities **have separated between **you** and your god], [**that he will not hear]' hear what??? your prayers!!
got that????? does one really believe the word of god??? open known sin separated any & all professed christian's prayers from god, so he documents that he will not hear them!! see heb. 13:8 for the never changing christ!
ok: is the elijah message to be clear or not?? in the n.t. holy spirit covenant side.. as some want to call it, we see in john 9:31 the [exact same truth 'documented'!]
'now [we know that god heareth not sinners]: [but if any [man be a worshiper of god, **and doeth his will, **him god heareth.]'(or her)
so?? if one is found to be praying in any form of the word, open, closed, tongues, unknown tongues or whatever they claim? even if it was a truth, [if they are not doing the godheads will], god will not hear them! got that?? (me you or anybody else)
now: when this is the case, what spirit is in control of that prayer life?? again see acts 5:32 for whom the holy spirit is [conditionally] given to!
and now we come to the holy spirits last day inspiration! are you ready for the second coming of christ?? prepare o meet thy god! the message was always about true agape love! the very 'elect' would be deceived [if] it were possible! and if god had not sent (or if they rejected to go) the elijah, elias, john the baptist message, and the three angels messages of rev. 14:6-10, then the broadway ones & the rev. 17:1-5 ones would have been a much larger group of eternally lost ones!
when one gets to heaven and looks over the record books, it is then that we will see who it was that are not there just because this 'message' was just not to their likeing! so the 'sin of omission' is recorded by their name as for the reason that they are not there.
what needed to be exposed for one to not be deceived and eternally lost? first off was mentioned that prayer will not be heard unless the 'eternal' conditions are met! and what are a few of the conditions for prayers to be heard and answered of god? we saw in john 9:31 that obedience, the doing of gods will, was top priority!
and the others who god will not hear are..
'he that sayeth, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, [is a liar, and the truth is not in him].' (or her)
and james 2:10-12 (in part).. 'for [whosoever shall keep the whole law, and **offend in one point, he is guilty of all.]' + so [speak ye, and so do], as [they shall be judged by the law of liberty.] (compare ecc; 12:13-14 whole duty!)
and now we come to these ones open documented sins. does our love for them just let them keep on teaching false doctrines?? is that loving them?? does true agape love for you, just leave you to be lost for all of eternity by remaining silent as the dead??? or is it just that these ones that are the abomination of the earth at the ending, and did or could not have any of these ones leave this false stuff before that time?? no to that question! for we see the rev. 18:4's final warning given, if one loves christ enough!! (rev. 3:16-17) and that is what this is all about!
now for 'present truth!' who answers these ones prayers??
open sin number 1: god lied & the devil told the truth as in gen. 3:1-4, this is the bottom/line devil's false teaching of most professed christians of today.
sin number 2: is that there is no godhead of three separate individuals. this in truth is the everlasting doctrine of christ as seen in 2 john 1:8-11 & 1 john 5:7.
sin number 3: is the folly of satan as seen in dan. 7:25 where the eternal covenant of heb. 13:20's ten commandments are tried to be laid aside by rome, (and her harlot daughters) and with even the godheads blessed & set aside 7th day sabbath for holy use day substituted with satan's 'fruit offering's' of the worshiping of the sun day.
and there will be more to follow!
--elijah
[/size] credits to another poster for his study work! [size="2"]scripture reads,
ps. 66:16 "come and hear, all ye that fear elohim, and i will declare what he hath done for my soul. 17 i cried unto him with my mouth, and he was extolled with my tongue. 18 if i regard iniquity in my heart, yahweh will not hear me: 19 but verily elohim hath heard me; he hath attended to the voice of my prayer. 20 blessed be elohim, which hath not turned away my prayer, nor his mercy from me."
isa. 1:12 "when ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? 13 bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, i cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. 14 your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; i am weary to bear them. 15 and when ye spread forth your hands, i will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, i will not hear: your hands are full of blood."
jer. 7:13 "and now, because ye have done all these works, saith yahweh, and i spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and i called you, but ye answered not; 14 therefore will i do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which i gave to you and to your fathers, as i have done to shiloh. 15 and i will cast you out of my sight, as i have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of ephraim. 16 therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for i will not hear thee."
jer. 11:13 "for according to the number of thy cities were thy elohim, o judah; and according to the number of the streets of jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto baal. 14 therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for i will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble."
jer. 14:10 thus saith yahweh unto this people, thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore yahweh doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins.
11 then said yahweh unto me, pray not for this people for their good. 12 when they fast, i will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, i will not accept them: but i will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence."
amo 5:20 "shall not the day of yahweh be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? 21 i hate, i despise your feast days, and i will not smell in your solemn assemblies. 22 though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, i will not accept them: neither will i regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts. 23 take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for i will not hear the melody of thy viols."
mic 3:1 "and i said, hear, i pray you, o heads of jacob, and ye princes of the house of israel; is it not for you to know judgment? 2 who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones; 3 who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron. 4 then shall they cry unto yahweh, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings."
the conclusion i get is, even when we turn to our creator in a time of need there will be times when our creator will not hear our prayer. scripture reveals,
"...to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin" (james 4:17). "and the times of this ignorance yahweh winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (acts 17:30) "for if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (heb 10:26)
it just simply is not true that we will be accepted with open arms no matter what when we turn to our savior. for many who turn to him in a time not acceptable his reply to them will be, depart from me! [mt. 7:21-23] "(for he saith, i have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have i succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)" (2co 6:2)
agape in messiah,
kevin
~in isaiah 59:1-2 we see the same holy spirit filled truth telling us.. 'behold, the lord's hand [is not shortened, that it cannot *save,] neither [his ear heavy that it cannot hear]. but [your iniquities **have separated between **you** and your god], [**that he will not hear]' hear what??? your prayers!!
got that????? does one really believe the word of god??? open known sin separated any & all professed christian's prayers from god, so he documents that he will not hear them!! see heb. 13:8 for the never changing christ!
ok: is the elijah message to be clear or not?? in the n.t. holy spirit covenant side.. as some want to call it, we see in john 9:31 the [exact same truth 'documented'!]
'now [we know that god heareth not sinners]: [but if any [man be a worshiper of god, **and doeth his will, **him god heareth.]'(or her)
so?? if one is found to be praying in any form of the word, open, closed, tongues, unknown tongues or whatever they claim? even if it was a truth, [if they are not doing the godheads will], god will not hear them! got that?? (me you or anybody else)
now: when this is the case, what spirit is in control of that prayer life?? again see acts 5:32 for whom the holy spirit is [conditionally] given to!
and now we come to the holy spirits last day inspiration! are you ready for the second coming of christ?? prepare o meet thy god! the message was always about true agape love! the very 'elect' would be deceived [if] it were possible! and if god had not sent (or if they rejected to go) the elijah, elias, john the baptist message, and the three angels messages of rev. 14:6-10, then the broadway ones & the rev. 17:1-5 ones would have been a much larger group of eternally lost ones!
when one gets to heaven and looks over the record books, it is then that we will see who it was that are not there just because this 'message' was just not to their likeing! so the 'sin of omission' is recorded by their name as for the reason that they are not there.
what needed to be exposed for one to not be deceived and eternally lost? first off was mentioned that prayer will not be heard unless the 'eternal' conditions are met! and what are a few of the conditions for prayers to be heard and answered of god? we saw in john 9:31 that obedience, the doing of gods will, was top priority!
and the others who god will not hear are..
'he that sayeth, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, [is a liar, and the truth is not in him].' (or her)
and james 2:10-12 (in part).. 'for [whosoever shall keep the whole law, and **offend in one point, he is guilty of all.]' + so [speak ye, and so do], as [they shall be judged by the law of liberty.] (compare ecc; 12:13-14 whole duty!)
and now we come to these ones open documented sins. does our love for them just let them keep on teaching false doctrines?? is that loving them?? does true agape love for you, just leave you to be lost for all of eternity by remaining silent as the dead??? or is it just that these ones that are the abomination of the earth at the ending, and did or could not have any of these ones leave this false stuff before that time?? no to that question! for we see the rev. 18:4's final warning given, if one loves christ enough!! (rev. 3:16-17) and that is what this is all about!
now for 'present truth!' who answers these ones prayers??
open sin number 1: god lied & the devil told the truth as in gen. 3:1-4, this is the bottom/line devil's false teaching of most professed christians of today.
sin number 2: is that there is no godhead of three separate individuals. this in truth is the everlasting doctrine of christ as seen in 2 john 1:8-11 & 1 john 5:7.
sin number 3: is the folly of satan as seen in dan. 7:25 where the eternal covenant of heb. 13:20's ten commandments are tried to be laid aside by rome, (and her harlot daughters) and with even the godheads blessed & set aside 7th day sabbath for holy use day substituted with satan's 'fruit offering's' of the worshiping of the sun day.
and there will be more to follow!
--elijah
[/size] credits to another poster for his study work! [size="2"]scripture reads,
ps. 66:16 "come and hear, all ye that fear elohim, and i will declare what he hath done for my soul. 17 i cried unto him with my mouth, and he was extolled with my tongue. 18 if i regard iniquity in my heart, yahweh will not hear me: 19 but verily elohim hath heard me; he hath attended to the voice of my prayer. 20 blessed be elohim, which hath not turned away my prayer, nor his mercy from me."
isa. 1:12 "when ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? 13 bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, i cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. 14 your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; i am weary to bear them. 15 and when ye spread forth your hands, i will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, i will not hear: your hands are full of blood."
jer. 7:13 "and now, because ye have done all these works, saith yahweh, and i spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and i called you, but ye answered not; 14 therefore will i do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which i gave to you and to your fathers, as i have done to shiloh. 15 and i will cast you out of my sight, as i have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of ephraim. 16 therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for i will not hear thee."
jer. 11:13 "for according to the number of thy cities were thy elohim, o judah; and according to the number of the streets of jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto baal. 14 therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for i will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble."
jer. 14:10 thus saith yahweh unto this people, thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore yahweh doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins.
11 then said yahweh unto me, pray not for this people for their good. 12 when they fast, i will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, i will not accept them: but i will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence."
amo 5:20 "shall not the day of yahweh be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? 21 i hate, i despise your feast days, and i will not smell in your solemn assemblies. 22 though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, i will not accept them: neither will i regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts. 23 take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for i will not hear the melody of thy viols."
mic 3:1 "and i said, hear, i pray you, o heads of jacob, and ye princes of the house of israel; is it not for you to know judgment? 2 who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones; 3 who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron. 4 then shall they cry unto yahweh, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings."
the conclusion i get is, even when we turn to our creator in a time of need there will be times when our creator will not hear our prayer. scripture reveals,
"...to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin" (james 4:17). "and the times of this ignorance yahweh winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (acts 17:30) "for if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (heb 10:26)
it just simply is not true that we will be accepted with open arms no matter what when we turn to our savior. for many who turn to him in a time not acceptable his reply to them will be, depart from me! [mt. 7:21-23] "(for he saith, i have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have i succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)" (2co 6:2)
agape in messiah,
kevin
Amen Kevin
Sorry I had to change the format of your writing to be able to read and understand it.
Sometimes simple is better.
~
QUOTE (endtime @ Dec 4 2008, 10:02 PM) 
QUOTE
and who is it that attends to the rev. 17:1-5 abomination of the earth ones windy prayers??
in isaiah 59:1-2 we see the same holy spirit filled truth telling us.. 'behold, the lord's hand [is not shortened, that it cannot *save,] neither [his ear heavy that it cannot hear]. but [your iniquities **have separated between **you** and your god], [**that he will not hear]' hear what??? your prayers!!
got that????? does one really believe the word of god??? open known sin separated any & all professed christian's prayers from god, so he documents that he will not hear them!! see heb. 13:8 for the never changing christ!
ok: is the elijah message to be clear or not?? in the n.t. holy spirit covenant side.. as some want to call it, we see in john 9:31 the [exact same truth 'documented'!]
'now [we know that god heareth not sinners]: [but if any [man be a worshiper of god, **and doeth his will, **him god heareth.]'(or her)
so?? if one is found to be praying in any form of the word, open, closed, tongues, unknown tongues or whatever they claim? even if it was a truth, [if they are not doing the godheads will], god will not hear them! got that?? (me you or anybody else)
now: when this is the case, what spirit is in control of that prayer life?? again see acts 5:32 for whom the holy spirit is [conditionally] given to!
and now we come to the holy spirits last day inspiration! are you ready for the second coming of christ?? prepare o meet thy god! the message was always about true agape love! the very 'elect' would be deceived [if] it were possible! and if god had not sent (or if they rejected to go) the elijah, elias, john the baptist message, and the three angels messages of rev. 14:6-10, then the broadway ones & the rev. 17:1-5 ones would have been a much larger group of eternally lost ones!
when one gets to heaven and looks over the record books, it is then that we will see who it was that are not there just because this 'message' was just not to their likeing! so the 'sin of omission' is recorded by their name as for the reason that they are not there.
what needed to be exposed for one to not be deceived and eternally lost? first off was mentioned that prayer will not be heard unless the 'eternal' conditions are met! and what are a few of the conditions for prayers to be heard and answered of god? we saw in john 9:31 that obedience, the doing of gods will, was top priority!
and the others who god will not hear are..
'he that sayeth, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, [is a liar, and the truth is not in him].' (or her)
and james 2:10-12 (in part).. 'for [whosoever shall keep the whole law, and **offend in one point, he is guilty of all.]' + so [speak ye, and so do], as [they shall be judged by the law of liberty.] (compare ecc; 12:13-14 whole duty!)
and now we come to these ones open documented sins. does our love for them just let them keep on teaching false doctrines?? is that loving them?? does true agape love for you, just leave you to be lost for all of eternity by remaining silent as the dead??? or is it just that these ones that are the abomination of the earth at the ending, and did or could not have any of these ones leave this false stuff before that time?? no to that question! for we see the rev. 18:4's final warning given, if one loves christ enough!! (rev. 3:16-17) and that is what this is all about!
now for 'present truth!' who answers these ones prayers??
open sin number 1: god lied & the devil told the truth as in gen. 3:1-4, this is the bottom/line devil's false teaching of most professed christians of today.
sin number 2: is that there is no godhead of three separate individuals. this in truth is the everlasting doctrine of christ as seen in 2 john 1:8-11 & 1 john 5:7.
sin number 3: is the folly of satan as seen in dan. 7:25 where the eternal covenant of heb. 13:20's ten commandments are tried to be laid aside by rome, (and her harlot daughters) and with even the godheads blessed & set aside 7th day sabbath for holy use day substituted with satan's 'fruit offering's' of the worshiping of the sun day.
and there will be more to follow!
--elijah
[/size] credits to another poster for his study work! scripture reads,
ps. 66:16 "come and hear, all ye that fear elohim, and i will declare what he hath done for my soul. 17 i cried unto him with my mouth, and he was extolled with my tongue. 18 if i regard iniquity in my heart, yahweh will not hear me: 19 but verily elohim hath heard me; he hath attended to the voice of my prayer. 20 blessed be elohim, which hath not turned away my prayer, nor his mercy from me."
isa. 1:12 "when ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? 13 bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, i cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. 14 your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; i am weary to bear them. 15 and when ye spread forth your hands, i will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, i will not hear: your hands are full of blood."
jer. 7:13 "and now, because ye have done all these works, saith yahweh, and i spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and i called you, but ye answered not; 14 therefore will i do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which i gave to you and to your fathers, as i have done to shiloh. 15 and i will cast you out of my sight, as i have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of ephraim. 16 therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for i will not hear thee."
jer. 11:13 "for according to the number of thy cities were thy elohim, o judah; and according to the number of the streets of jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto baal. 14 therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for i will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble."
jer. 14:10 thus saith yahweh unto this people, thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore yahweh doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins.
11 then said yahweh unto me, pray not for this people for their good. 12 when they fast, i will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, i will not accept them: but i will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence."
amo 5:20 "shall not the day of yahweh be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? 21 i hate, i despise your feast days, and i will not smell in your solemn assemblies. 22 though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, i will not accept them: neither will i regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts. 23 take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for i will not hear the melody of thy viols."
mic 3:1 "and i said, hear, i pray you, o heads of jacob, and ye princes of the house of israel; is it not for you to know judgment? 2 who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones; 3 who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron. 4 then shall they cry unto yahweh, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings."
the conclusion i get is, even when we turn to our creator in a time of need there will be times when our creator will not hear our prayer. scripture reveals,
"...to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin" (james 4:17). "and the times of this ignorance yahweh winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (acts 17:30) "for if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (heb 10:26)
it just simply is not true that we will be accepted with open arms no matter what when we turn to our savior. for many who turn to him in a time not acceptable his reply to them will be, depart from me! [mt. 7:21-23] "(for he saith, i have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have i succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)" (2co 6:2)
agape in messiah,
kevin
~in isaiah 59:1-2 we see the same holy spirit filled truth telling us.. 'behold, the lord's hand [is not shortened, that it cannot *save,] neither [his ear heavy that it cannot hear]. but [your iniquities **have separated between **you** and your god], [**that he will not hear]' hear what??? your prayers!!
got that????? does one really believe the word of god??? open known sin separated any & all professed christian's prayers from god, so he documents that he will not hear them!! see heb. 13:8 for the never changing christ!
ok: is the elijah message to be clear or not?? in the n.t. holy spirit covenant side.. as some want to call it, we see in john 9:31 the [exact same truth 'documented'!]
'now [we know that god heareth not sinners]: [but if any [man be a worshiper of god, **and doeth his will, **him god heareth.]'(or her)
so?? if one is found to be praying in any form of the word, open, closed, tongues, unknown tongues or whatever they claim? even if it was a truth, [if they are not doing the godheads will], god will not hear them! got that?? (me you or anybody else)
now: when this is the case, what spirit is in control of that prayer life?? again see acts 5:32 for whom the holy spirit is [conditionally] given to!
and now we come to the holy spirits last day inspiration! are you ready for the second coming of christ?? prepare o meet thy god! the message was always about true agape love! the very 'elect' would be deceived [if] it were possible! and if god had not sent (or if they rejected to go) the elijah, elias, john the baptist message, and the three angels messages of rev. 14:6-10, then the broadway ones & the rev. 17:1-5 ones would have been a much larger group of eternally lost ones!
when one gets to heaven and looks over the record books, it is then that we will see who it was that are not there just because this 'message' was just not to their likeing! so the 'sin of omission' is recorded by their name as for the reason that they are not there.
what needed to be exposed for one to not be deceived and eternally lost? first off was mentioned that prayer will not be heard unless the 'eternal' conditions are met! and what are a few of the conditions for prayers to be heard and answered of god? we saw in john 9:31 that obedience, the doing of gods will, was top priority!
and the others who god will not hear are..
'he that sayeth, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, [is a liar, and the truth is not in him].' (or her)
and james 2:10-12 (in part).. 'for [whosoever shall keep the whole law, and **offend in one point, he is guilty of all.]' + so [speak ye, and so do], as [they shall be judged by the law of liberty.] (compare ecc; 12:13-14 whole duty!)
and now we come to these ones open documented sins. does our love for them just let them keep on teaching false doctrines?? is that loving them?? does true agape love for you, just leave you to be lost for all of eternity by remaining silent as the dead??? or is it just that these ones that are the abomination of the earth at the ending, and did or could not have any of these ones leave this false stuff before that time?? no to that question! for we see the rev. 18:4's final warning given, if one loves christ enough!! (rev. 3:16-17) and that is what this is all about!
now for 'present truth!' who answers these ones prayers??
open sin number 1: god lied & the devil told the truth as in gen. 3:1-4, this is the bottom/line devil's false teaching of most professed christians of today.
sin number 2: is that there is no godhead of three separate individuals. this in truth is the everlasting doctrine of christ as seen in 2 john 1:8-11 & 1 john 5:7.
sin number 3: is the folly of satan as seen in dan. 7:25 where the eternal covenant of heb. 13:20's ten commandments are tried to be laid aside by rome, (and her harlot daughters) and with even the godheads blessed & set aside 7th day sabbath for holy use day substituted with satan's 'fruit offering's' of the worshiping of the sun day.
and there will be more to follow!
--elijah
[/size] credits to another poster for his study work! scripture reads,
ps. 66:16 "come and hear, all ye that fear elohim, and i will declare what he hath done for my soul. 17 i cried unto him with my mouth, and he was extolled with my tongue. 18 if i regard iniquity in my heart, yahweh will not hear me: 19 but verily elohim hath heard me; he hath attended to the voice of my prayer. 20 blessed be elohim, which hath not turned away my prayer, nor his mercy from me."
isa. 1:12 "when ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? 13 bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, i cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. 14 your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; i am weary to bear them. 15 and when ye spread forth your hands, i will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, i will not hear: your hands are full of blood."
jer. 7:13 "and now, because ye have done all these works, saith yahweh, and i spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and i called you, but ye answered not; 14 therefore will i do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which i gave to you and to your fathers, as i have done to shiloh. 15 and i will cast you out of my sight, as i have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of ephraim. 16 therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for i will not hear thee."
jer. 11:13 "for according to the number of thy cities were thy elohim, o judah; and according to the number of the streets of jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto baal. 14 therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for i will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble."
jer. 14:10 thus saith yahweh unto this people, thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore yahweh doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins.
11 then said yahweh unto me, pray not for this people for their good. 12 when they fast, i will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, i will not accept them: but i will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence."
amo 5:20 "shall not the day of yahweh be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? 21 i hate, i despise your feast days, and i will not smell in your solemn assemblies. 22 though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, i will not accept them: neither will i regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts. 23 take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for i will not hear the melody of thy viols."
mic 3:1 "and i said, hear, i pray you, o heads of jacob, and ye princes of the house of israel; is it not for you to know judgment? 2 who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones; 3 who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron. 4 then shall they cry unto yahweh, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings."
the conclusion i get is, even when we turn to our creator in a time of need there will be times when our creator will not hear our prayer. scripture reveals,
"...to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin" (james 4:17). "and the times of this ignorance yahweh winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (acts 17:30) "for if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (heb 10:26)
it just simply is not true that we will be accepted with open arms no matter what when we turn to our savior. for many who turn to him in a time not acceptable his reply to them will be, depart from me! [mt. 7:21-23] "(for he saith, i have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have i succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)" (2co 6:2)
agape in messiah,
kevin
Amen Kevin
Sorry I had to change the format of your writing to be able to read and understand it.
Sometimes simple is better.
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The Lord, LONG, LONG ago said, Build Me a Sanctuary that I may be with you. (compare Ex. 25:8-9) Not many different church ones with many different 'doctrines'! (Rev. 17:5 
) And this was as stated. LONG AGO! There was the outer COURT, MEANING WHAT? and there was the entrance from the East, meaning what? Then there was the Altar in the court before the Lavor for washing, what was the Altar for?? and was one O.S.A.S. after the sacrifice offering was slain, so that the sinner could just stop there & then return home?
And the Washing at the Laver was even a twice stated command that ye die not! Who needed the Washing in todays teaching.. after the Lamb was 'BELIEVED ON'?? You know.. these ones 'ALL DIED IN THE FAITH'. Heb. 11:13
And the Entrance into the Holy Place of the Church itself?? (also on the East side) And immediately on the right were two stacks of BREAD. Bread?? Why was this?? And two stacks of six on a side?? Why was this? Then as one went on further for this daily work?? The next item was an Altar of Incense just before the closed curtain into THE MOST HOLY PLACE! And WHAT WAS INSIDE OF THE MOST HOLY PLACE?? Representing the last Work of Christ in heaven, which was done in the earthly Church only once a year.
OK! What is STILL INSIDE OF THE ***MOST HOLY PLACE IN HEAVEN ITSELF?? Rev. 11:18-19 + READ Deut. 10:1-2!! [b](Naw, who cares, huh? We want to talk of the big churches of the Educated Arm of Flesh ones? Jer. 17:5)[/b]
And when the daily work was finishing up & still on the right side walking out of the Holy Place, there was an 'Candlestick of pure gold, with his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall all be the same. And six branches shall come out of the sides of it; three branches of the candlestick out of one side, and three branches of the candelstick out of the other side.' (compare Exod. 25:31-37) Up out of the SIDES OF IT?? WHAT IS REPRESENTED FROM THE MAIN [ONE]? And what does this all mean??
And not just these last verses??
And this ONE TRUE FOLD, Sanctuary, or Church of the 'SEVEN' in Rev. 1:11-14 are ONLY seven Virgin Churchs over the history from Exod. 25 to the End of TIME! (and that AIN'T THE REV. 17:5 ONES!)
Notice Rev.'s FURNISHINGS of the Heavenly Church!! Notice the DOCUMEMTATION of Rev. 1:20.. '.. and the things which thou hast seen, and the the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; ... The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks . The seven stars are the angels of the seven CHURCHES: and the seven candelsticks which thou sawest ARE THE SEVEN CHURCHES.'
If the Exod. 25 verses confuse one, just consider that the Godhead has ONLY SEVEN CHURCHES that Have VIRGIN DOCTRINES! And Rev. 2:5 needs to be brought to bear here as well!
'Remember therefore from whence thou are fallen, [and repent, and do the FIRST WORKS;] [i][OR ELSE I WILL COME UNTO THEE QUICKLY, AND *REMOVE THY CANDELSTICK OUT OF HIS PLACE]..' WORKS?? That too is a nasty word for the ones of today, huh?
And Matt. 23:38 & Rev. 3:16-17 finds that to be the CASE! BUT!!! The DOCTRINES OF THE MASTER WERE NEVER THE PROBLEM! And again, the Rev. 17:5 ones were never one of these Churches to begin with!
And with that being stated, [u]remember [/u]that CHRIST DOES WARN THAT HE HAS HIS OWN STILL THERE BEING PARTAKERS OF THEIR SINS, WHO [MUST LEAVE]! Rev. 18:4[size="2"]
--Elijah
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