What Is Truth?
Seems to be AWOL in these times and oh, how I miss it.
I long for people to speak the truth in love. I long for boldness and courage. I am tired of the gray, fuzzy, confusion of the masses. I long for Jesus, today!
John 18:37 "You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
Ephesians 4:11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. 14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
Psalm 26:3 for your love is ever before me, and I walk continually in your truth. 4 I do not sit with deceitful men, nor do I consort with hypocrites; 5 I abhor the assembly of evildoers and refuse to sit with the wicked.
1 Cor. 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
2 Thess. 2:10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
Where is the desire for truth again?
I would rather see the prevailing of TRUTH, than the prevalence of PRIDE.
In His Love,
Suzanne
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QUOTE (tsth @ Nov 16 2008, 09:12 AM) 
What Is Truth?
Seems to be AWOL in these times and oh, how I miss it.
I long for people to speak the truth in love. I long for boldness and courage. I am tired of the gray, fuzzy, confusion of the masses. I long for Jesus, today!
John 18:37 "You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
Ephesians 4:11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. 14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
Psalm 26:3 for your love is ever before me, and I walk continually in your truth. 4 I do not sit with deceitful men, nor do I consort with hypocrites; 5 I abhor the assembly of evildoers and refuse to sit with the wicked.
1 Cor. 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
2 Thess. 2:10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
Where is the desire for truth again?
I would rather see the prevailing of TRUTH, than the prevalence of PRIDE.
In His Love,
Suzanne
Seems to be AWOL in these times and oh, how I miss it.
I long for people to speak the truth in love. I long for boldness and courage. I am tired of the gray, fuzzy, confusion of the masses. I long for Jesus, today!
John 18:37 "You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
Ephesians 4:11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. 14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
Psalm 26:3 for your love is ever before me, and I walk continually in your truth. 4 I do not sit with deceitful men, nor do I consort with hypocrites; 5 I abhor the assembly of evildoers and refuse to sit with the wicked.
1 Cor. 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
2 Thess. 2:10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
Where is the desire for truth again?
I would rather see the prevailing of TRUTH, than the prevalence of PRIDE.
In His Love,
Suzanne
I think all of us want that Suzanne. The problem arises when each of us shares a truth. Unless one of us lies and is teaching falsely then we all see what we teach as truth.
John 10:3-4 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him. for they know not the voice of strangers."
The determining factor is....is it taught from the Word of God? If yes, then that is His voice and His sheep will hear and follow. If another doesn't agree then they should easily be able to show, using His Word, why it isn't correct. To argue the point any other way is a waste of time and causes the anger. At times pride must be swallowed....but seldom is. Why? Because even though they may "hear" the voice...they don't follow. Pride and ego intervene.
But....there is a Truth and His sheep hear and follow. Truth is there Suzanne and it is spoken in love but then the battle begins. Why a battle? Because not all are His sheep, or because it isn't time for all His sheep to hear and understand, or because the voice of the other one is strong. The other one loves to see the pride factor in us.....it is one of his weapons. There are many reasons.
But...keep teaching truth and His sheep will hear and....follow!
anyone read this?
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Pastors 'on fire' over 'Marketing of Evil'
'Book jolted me awake just as surely as someone bursting in my bedroom'
Posted: October 15, 2008
9:05 am Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com
It's been one of America's most talked-about books for more than two years, but now David Kupelian's "The Marketing of Evil" is lighting a fire in the one place the author considers most important the nation's churches.
From small-town churches and prayer groups to one of America's largest Presbyterian congregations, numbering over 10,000, Christian leaders and laymen are buying the book, sometimes by the case.
Launched in August 2005 and now in its 10th printing, "The Marketing of Evil" subtitled "How Radicals, Elitists, and Pseudo-Experts Sell Us Corruption Disguised as Freedom" has been widely acclaimed for exposing the various ways evil works in modern America. Documenting the brilliant marketing techniques that are commonly employed to "package, perfume and gift-wrap" destructive behaviors and beliefs to make them look good, Kupelian even includes a major chapter on why Christians have become so vulnerable to these "wolves" "the marketers of evil." Many leading ministers, rabbis, churches and religious organizations are sharing it with their flocks, and in many cases saying they've been profoundly impacted by it.
"The book jolted me awake just as surely as someone bursting in my bedroom and shouting, 'Your house is on fire!'" said Pastor Claude T. Stauffer of Calvary Chapel of Hope in Long Island, N.Y.
A member of his congregation approached him, Stauffer recalls, and "told me that as a pastor I needed to read that book. He was serious so serious in fact that he said the Lord put it on his heart to purchase enough of the books to give one to every person in our church."
Stauffer read it carefully from cover to cover.
"The book and its message took hold of me in a profound way," the New York pastor said later. "When the books were offered to the congregation they eagerly received them. In a few days we ran out of books and had to place a second order. People are reading the book and sharing it with others. The Lord is using that book to open eyes and hearts."
(Story continues below)
Calling "The Marketing of Evil" a "classic, critically important book to understand the age in which we live," Stauffer says comments from his congregation have been uniformly positive, including one member who said: "My son who's 15 doesn't like to read. He never reads anything. But he can't put this book down."
Another minister who has been sharing Kupelian's book with his flock is R.S. Brewer, pastor of the Gilbert Independent Baptist Church in Gilbert, Ariz.
"Before I finished half of the book, I felt the leadership of my church should read it also," Brewer said. "I ordered enough books to give to those I felt would, or should, read it. It was obvious to me the author of 'The Marketing of Evil' had discernment, above his peers, that could have only come from God and His Word."
Asking his flock to "read chapter 10 first" the one on today's Christian churches Brewer gave out copies of the book "on Wednesday night after our Bible study." By Sunday morning, he said, "I had some agitated children of God who had not only read chapter 10, but had finished the book and passed it on to their loved ones. One of my prayer warriors, who is retired Navy and a real servant of God, as well as an America-loving patriot, grabbed my arm as tears began to well up in his eyes and said, 'Pastor, I cannot believe they have done this, and I let them.'"
David Kupelian
"What 'The Marketing Of Evil' has done," said Brewer, "like a sermon from Jonathan Edwards or Charles Finney, is to turn the light of Truth on the corruption and decay, that we who name the name of Christ, might realize what we have failed to see, and failed to act upon. The cure is not political it is spiritual! David Kupelian has been used of God to expose the corruption that we have ignored, or been blinded to for too long."
Undoubtedly the biggest single church to share "The Marketing of Evil" with its congregation has been that of D. James Kennedy, who before his recent death was the world's best-known and most influential Presbyterian minister. His Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Fort Lauderdale, Fl., has approximately 10,000 members.
Calling "The Marketing of Evil" a "powerful new book that I wish every Christian in America could read," Kennedy took the dramatic step of printing 15,000 paperback copies with "Special Coral Ridge Ministries Edition" on the front cover and sent a copy to thousands of financial supporters last fall. He also featured Kupelian and the book for four consecutive weeks on "The Coral Ridge Hour," his weekly one-hour television show which airs on more than 600 stations, four cable networks, in 145 nations overseas and on 125 ships at sea on the Armed Forces Network.
D. James Kennedy
In his special introduction to the ministry's paperback edition of "The Marketing of Evil," Kennedy wrote:
This is a remarkable book. Here, between two covers, author David Kupelian dissects and exposes the brilliant and malignant techniques employed by merchants of evil who "sell us corruption disguised as freedom."
The effort to change America's mind on issues like abortion, homosexuality, church-state separation, and more is not a happenstance undertaking. Instead, as Kupelian shows, it is a well-thought-out strategic campaign that uses the methods of Madison Avenue to market rank lies.
But the good news is that by God's grace, the truth will eventually win out, and Kupelian's important and groundbreaking book makes enormous progress toward that end. It brings into the light these works of darkness for all to see.
This is vital information to immunize you, your loved ones, and your friends to the carnival mirror distortions employed by those who market evil to America and to equip you to counteract the lies with the truth.
Catholics join Evangelicals in praising book
Catholics also have gravitated to the book. In fact, one nationally renowned Catholic television host and author, Patrick Madrid, presented a public seminar titled "The Marketing of Evil" based on Kupelian's book.
Madrid is the host of four television and radio series on Catholic mega-network, EWTN, edits the award-winning Envoy magazine is the creator of the "Surprised by Truth" seminars and author of 12 books.
Calling "The Marketing of Evil" a "fantastic book," Madrid argues "it's necessary that people know exactly how and why and at who's hands Western culture has curdled so rapidly and so completely." Kupelian's "landmark book," he adds, is being used during prayer and discussion groups. And as a personal note, he added, "I plan to buy plenty of copies to pass out to my friends and colleagues."
Other national ministries as well as Christian education organizations have also adopted "The Marketing of Evil" as a key tool of ministry. In fact, as Tonya Lee, director of development for There's Hope America puts it: "'The Marketing of Evil' is more than a book; it is a tool from which we can know how to combat the secular agenda we?ve tolerated for far too long."
American Vision has also long promoted "The Marketing of Evil." The organization's founder, author Gary DeMar, calls "The Marketing of Evil" "one of the best books I've read in a long time on what's really going on and what we can do about it."
Other Christian and Jewish leaders have extolled the book and its ability to make plain and understandable the hidden tactics being used to negatively transform America. Among them are:
Hal Lindsey, author of 20 books including the mega-bestseller "The Late, Great Planet Earth": "David Kupelian's book is like a giant x-ray machine that exposes the atheistic, secular left's brilliant marketing campaigns aimed at seducing America away from its founding Judeo-Christian faith. If you want to know how such a thoroughly decent country as America could go so wrong so fast, you simply have to read 'The Marketing of Evil.'"
Rabbi Daniel Lapin, president of Toward Tradition: "Over just a few years, life in America has become indescribably more squalid, expensive, and dangerous. Like the dazzling disclosures in the final page of a gripping whodunit or the fascinating revelation of a magician's secrets, 'The Marketing of Evil' irresistibly exposes how it was done. It will elicit an involuntary 'Aha!' from you as you discover who did it, and your soul will soar with optimism as you discover the only way we can undo it. In year to come Americans will acknowledge a debt of gratitude to David Kupelian for his honesty, courage, and laser-like insight in this must-read book."
Dr. Ted Baehr, chairman of the Christian Film and Television Commission: "David Kupelian's new book 'The Marketing of Evil' is brilliant! He combines superb common sense (that is so rare in our society) with the important biblical command to expose 'the fruitless deeds of darkness' (Ephesians 5:11). By doing so, he breaks the spell of the carefully marketing lies that are destroying our civilization, and sets the stage for revival and reformation."
The most dramatic comments of all, however, have come from reader-reviewers on Amazon.com :
* "It will affect me forever. This is perhaps the best and most freeing book I have ever read on the popular culture at large. It rings true at every level, and has changed the way I view things in the most freeing and encouraging way!! ... An absolute masterpiece!!"
* "Opening this book is like turning on the Sun. ... Mr. David Kupelian has written a remarkable book that reveals how the American public has been taken down the slippery slope of moral relativism."
* "I finished "The Marketing of Evil" over a month ago. It absolutely changed my life."
* "Prepare to see your world with new eyes!"
* "This book has put a powerful voice to many things that truth-loving people in America have felt in their spirits for a long, long time. ... I like my medicine straight and my truth even straighter, and this book delivers, with no apologies or flinching. ... I for one am forever changed."
Meanwhile, Pastor Claude Stauffer of Long Island, who has been co-hosting a series of hour-long radio interviews with Kupelian in New York, says simply: "I encourage every American and especially every Christian to read 'The Marketing of Evil.' First you won't be able to put it down. Then you won't be able to remain seated any longer. Maybe, just maybe," he adds, "this is what the Lord wants to use in our nation and in our churches so that instead of being burned down, we will burn bright with a righteous flame of revival."
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'Book jolted me awake just as surely as someone bursting in my bedroom'
Posted: October 15, 2008
9:05 am Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com
It's been one of America's most talked-about books for more than two years, but now David Kupelian's "The Marketing of Evil" is lighting a fire in the one place the author considers most important the nation's churches.
From small-town churches and prayer groups to one of America's largest Presbyterian congregations, numbering over 10,000, Christian leaders and laymen are buying the book, sometimes by the case.
Launched in August 2005 and now in its 10th printing, "The Marketing of Evil" subtitled "How Radicals, Elitists, and Pseudo-Experts Sell Us Corruption Disguised as Freedom" has been widely acclaimed for exposing the various ways evil works in modern America. Documenting the brilliant marketing techniques that are commonly employed to "package, perfume and gift-wrap" destructive behaviors and beliefs to make them look good, Kupelian even includes a major chapter on why Christians have become so vulnerable to these "wolves" "the marketers of evil." Many leading ministers, rabbis, churches and religious organizations are sharing it with their flocks, and in many cases saying they've been profoundly impacted by it.
"The book jolted me awake just as surely as someone bursting in my bedroom and shouting, 'Your house is on fire!'" said Pastor Claude T. Stauffer of Calvary Chapel of Hope in Long Island, N.Y.
A member of his congregation approached him, Stauffer recalls, and "told me that as a pastor I needed to read that book. He was serious so serious in fact that he said the Lord put it on his heart to purchase enough of the books to give one to every person in our church."
Stauffer read it carefully from cover to cover.
"The book and its message took hold of me in a profound way," the New York pastor said later. "When the books were offered to the congregation they eagerly received them. In a few days we ran out of books and had to place a second order. People are reading the book and sharing it with others. The Lord is using that book to open eyes and hearts."
(Story continues below)
Calling "The Marketing of Evil" a "classic, critically important book to understand the age in which we live," Stauffer says comments from his congregation have been uniformly positive, including one member who said: "My son who's 15 doesn't like to read. He never reads anything. But he can't put this book down."
Another minister who has been sharing Kupelian's book with his flock is R.S. Brewer, pastor of the Gilbert Independent Baptist Church in Gilbert, Ariz.
"Before I finished half of the book, I felt the leadership of my church should read it also," Brewer said. "I ordered enough books to give to those I felt would, or should, read it. It was obvious to me the author of 'The Marketing of Evil' had discernment, above his peers, that could have only come from God and His Word."
Asking his flock to "read chapter 10 first" the one on today's Christian churches Brewer gave out copies of the book "on Wednesday night after our Bible study." By Sunday morning, he said, "I had some agitated children of God who had not only read chapter 10, but had finished the book and passed it on to their loved ones. One of my prayer warriors, who is retired Navy and a real servant of God, as well as an America-loving patriot, grabbed my arm as tears began to well up in his eyes and said, 'Pastor, I cannot believe they have done this, and I let them.'"
David Kupelian
"What 'The Marketing Of Evil' has done," said Brewer, "like a sermon from Jonathan Edwards or Charles Finney, is to turn the light of Truth on the corruption and decay, that we who name the name of Christ, might realize what we have failed to see, and failed to act upon. The cure is not political it is spiritual! David Kupelian has been used of God to expose the corruption that we have ignored, or been blinded to for too long."
Undoubtedly the biggest single church to share "The Marketing of Evil" with its congregation has been that of D. James Kennedy, who before his recent death was the world's best-known and most influential Presbyterian minister. His Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Fort Lauderdale, Fl., has approximately 10,000 members.
Calling "The Marketing of Evil" a "powerful new book that I wish every Christian in America could read," Kennedy took the dramatic step of printing 15,000 paperback copies with "Special Coral Ridge Ministries Edition" on the front cover and sent a copy to thousands of financial supporters last fall. He also featured Kupelian and the book for four consecutive weeks on "The Coral Ridge Hour," his weekly one-hour television show which airs on more than 600 stations, four cable networks, in 145 nations overseas and on 125 ships at sea on the Armed Forces Network.
D. James Kennedy
In his special introduction to the ministry's paperback edition of "The Marketing of Evil," Kennedy wrote:
This is a remarkable book. Here, between two covers, author David Kupelian dissects and exposes the brilliant and malignant techniques employed by merchants of evil who "sell us corruption disguised as freedom."
The effort to change America's mind on issues like abortion, homosexuality, church-state separation, and more is not a happenstance undertaking. Instead, as Kupelian shows, it is a well-thought-out strategic campaign that uses the methods of Madison Avenue to market rank lies.
But the good news is that by God's grace, the truth will eventually win out, and Kupelian's important and groundbreaking book makes enormous progress toward that end. It brings into the light these works of darkness for all to see.
This is vital information to immunize you, your loved ones, and your friends to the carnival mirror distortions employed by those who market evil to America and to equip you to counteract the lies with the truth.
Catholics join Evangelicals in praising book
Catholics also have gravitated to the book. In fact, one nationally renowned Catholic television host and author, Patrick Madrid, presented a public seminar titled "The Marketing of Evil" based on Kupelian's book.
Madrid is the host of four television and radio series on Catholic mega-network, EWTN, edits the award-winning Envoy magazine is the creator of the "Surprised by Truth" seminars and author of 12 books.
Calling "The Marketing of Evil" a "fantastic book," Madrid argues "it's necessary that people know exactly how and why and at who's hands Western culture has curdled so rapidly and so completely." Kupelian's "landmark book," he adds, is being used during prayer and discussion groups. And as a personal note, he added, "I plan to buy plenty of copies to pass out to my friends and colleagues."
Other national ministries as well as Christian education organizations have also adopted "The Marketing of Evil" as a key tool of ministry. In fact, as Tonya Lee, director of development for There's Hope America puts it: "'The Marketing of Evil' is more than a book; it is a tool from which we can know how to combat the secular agenda we?ve tolerated for far too long."
American Vision has also long promoted "The Marketing of Evil." The organization's founder, author Gary DeMar, calls "The Marketing of Evil" "one of the best books I've read in a long time on what's really going on and what we can do about it."
Other Christian and Jewish leaders have extolled the book and its ability to make plain and understandable the hidden tactics being used to negatively transform America. Among them are:
Hal Lindsey, author of 20 books including the mega-bestseller "The Late, Great Planet Earth": "David Kupelian's book is like a giant x-ray machine that exposes the atheistic, secular left's brilliant marketing campaigns aimed at seducing America away from its founding Judeo-Christian faith. If you want to know how such a thoroughly decent country as America could go so wrong so fast, you simply have to read 'The Marketing of Evil.'"
Rabbi Daniel Lapin, president of Toward Tradition: "Over just a few years, life in America has become indescribably more squalid, expensive, and dangerous. Like the dazzling disclosures in the final page of a gripping whodunit or the fascinating revelation of a magician's secrets, 'The Marketing of Evil' irresistibly exposes how it was done. It will elicit an involuntary 'Aha!' from you as you discover who did it, and your soul will soar with optimism as you discover the only way we can undo it. In year to come Americans will acknowledge a debt of gratitude to David Kupelian for his honesty, courage, and laser-like insight in this must-read book."
Dr. Ted Baehr, chairman of the Christian Film and Television Commission: "David Kupelian's new book 'The Marketing of Evil' is brilliant! He combines superb common sense (that is so rare in our society) with the important biblical command to expose 'the fruitless deeds of darkness' (Ephesians 5:11). By doing so, he breaks the spell of the carefully marketing lies that are destroying our civilization, and sets the stage for revival and reformation."
The most dramatic comments of all, however, have come from reader-reviewers on Amazon.com :
* "It will affect me forever. This is perhaps the best and most freeing book I have ever read on the popular culture at large. It rings true at every level, and has changed the way I view things in the most freeing and encouraging way!! ... An absolute masterpiece!!"
* "Opening this book is like turning on the Sun. ... Mr. David Kupelian has written a remarkable book that reveals how the American public has been taken down the slippery slope of moral relativism."
* "I finished "The Marketing of Evil" over a month ago. It absolutely changed my life."
* "Prepare to see your world with new eyes!"
* "This book has put a powerful voice to many things that truth-loving people in America have felt in their spirits for a long, long time. ... I like my medicine straight and my truth even straighter, and this book delivers, with no apologies or flinching. ... I for one am forever changed."
Meanwhile, Pastor Claude Stauffer of Long Island, who has been co-hosting a series of hour-long radio interviews with Kupelian in New York, says simply: "I encourage every American and especially every Christian to read 'The Marketing of Evil.' First you won't be able to put it down. Then you won't be able to remain seated any longer. Maybe, just maybe," he adds, "this is what the Lord wants to use in our nation and in our churches so that instead of being burned down, we will burn bright with a righteous flame of revival."
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Don't mean to steal the thunder, Simple.........BUT, isn't that how the Bible should affect each and every person who reads IT? I guess you make my point.
Maybe the problem is not enough are reading OR remaining in His Word? MAYBE that is why there doesn't seem to be enough TRUTH?
I wonder how many of us here, read God's Word on a daily basis?
In His Love,
Suzanne
Maybe the problem is not enough are reading OR remaining in His Word? MAYBE that is why there doesn't seem to be enough TRUTH?
I wonder how many of us here, read God's Word on a daily basis?
In His Love,
Suzanne
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Nov 16 2008, 07:47 AM)
The determining factor is....is it taught from the Word of God? If yes, then that is His voice and His sheep will hear and follow. If another doesn't agree then they should easily be able to show, using His Word, why it isn't correct. To argue the point any other way is a waste of time and causes the anger. At times pride must be swallowed....but seldom is. Why? Because even though they may "hear" the voice...they don't follow. Pride and ego intervene.
I couldn't agree more, whirlwind!
In His Love,
Suzanne
I can't help but wonder......if the truth had been spoken within families, would we have the epidemic of divorce, teen pregnancy, alcoholism, drug-abuse, etc.
What if, rather than enabling, we confronted issues again, with honesty, love and boundaries?
I am afraid that in our self-deluded impression of "love", we have done more harm than good...ever thought that maybe even the church the ministries that are supporting "homeless" shelters, have in fact, enabled "able-bodied" men from going out and actually working, as they should? God created man to work with his hands, it promotes an idea of accomplishment and productivity that is good for man's esteem and self-respect, yet in our mis-guided attempts to help, we have actually ruined many a man by not requiring him to contribute to the good of society and thus furthered his downward spiral of self-contempt or his lack of love and care for others in society.
1 Timothy 5: 8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
2 Thess. 3:10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.
Ephesians 4:25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26 "In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28 He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need.
I am not speaking of those in genuine need of help. I am speaking of the many men who have decided they want to live out on the road (I am VERY familiar with the homeless....have been involved in the ministry to them.)
Aside from the homeless issue, I just see so many places where TRUTH would have served better than what "WE DEEMED" as "love". Somehow we have gotten off-track with regard to truth. We have replaced it with our own "good works" that seems to have done more damage than good...when it would have served better to speak truth and deal with the response of anger, in hopes that in time the truth would have prevailed in heart and mind.
In His Love,
Suzanne
What if, rather than enabling, we confronted issues again, with honesty, love and boundaries?
I am afraid that in our self-deluded impression of "love", we have done more harm than good...ever thought that maybe even the church the ministries that are supporting "homeless" shelters, have in fact, enabled "able-bodied" men from going out and actually working, as they should? God created man to work with his hands, it promotes an idea of accomplishment and productivity that is good for man's esteem and self-respect, yet in our mis-guided attempts to help, we have actually ruined many a man by not requiring him to contribute to the good of society and thus furthered his downward spiral of self-contempt or his lack of love and care for others in society.
1 Timothy 5: 8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
2 Thess. 3:10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.
Ephesians 4:25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26 "In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28 He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need.
I am not speaking of those in genuine need of help. I am speaking of the many men who have decided they want to live out on the road (I am VERY familiar with the homeless....have been involved in the ministry to them.)
Aside from the homeless issue, I just see so many places where TRUTH would have served better than what "WE DEEMED" as "love". Somehow we have gotten off-track with regard to truth. We have replaced it with our own "good works" that seems to have done more damage than good...when it would have served better to speak truth and deal with the response of anger, in hopes that in time the truth would have prevailed in heart and mind.
In His Love,
Suzanne
QUOTE (tsth @ Nov 17 2008, 08:17 AM)
I can't help but wonder......if the truth had been spoken within families, would we have the epidemic of divorce, teen pregnancy, alcoholism, drug-abuse, etc.
What if, rather than enabling, we confronted issues again, with honesty, love and boundaries?
I am afraid that in our self-deluded impression of "love", we have done more harm than good...ever thought that maybe even the church the ministries that are supporting "homeless" shelters, have in fact, enabled "able-bodied" men from going out and actually working, as they should? God created man to work with his hands, it promotes an idea of accomplishment and productivity that is good for man's esteem and self-respect, yet in our mis-guided attempts to help, we have actually ruined many a man by not requiring him to contribute to the good of society and thus furthered his downward spiral of self-contempt or his lack of love and care for others in society.
1 Timothy 5: 8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
2 Thess. 3:10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.
Ephesians 4:25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26 "In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28 He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need.
I am not speaking of those in genuine need of help. I am speaking of the many men who have decided they want to live out on the road (I am VERY familiar with the homeless....have been involved in the ministry to them.)
Aside from the homeless issue, I just see so many places where TRUTH would have served better than what "WE DEEMED" as "love". Somehow we have gotten off-track with regard to truth. We have replaced it with our own "good works" that seems to have done more damage than good...when it would have served better to speak truth and deal with the response of anger, in hopes that in time the truth would have prevailed in heart and mind.
In His Love,
Suzanne
What if, rather than enabling, we confronted issues again, with honesty, love and boundaries?
I am afraid that in our self-deluded impression of "love", we have done more harm than good...ever thought that maybe even the church the ministries that are supporting "homeless" shelters, have in fact, enabled "able-bodied" men from going out and actually working, as they should? God created man to work with his hands, it promotes an idea of accomplishment and productivity that is good for man's esteem and self-respect, yet in our mis-guided attempts to help, we have actually ruined many a man by not requiring him to contribute to the good of society and thus furthered his downward spiral of self-contempt or his lack of love and care for others in society.
1 Timothy 5: 8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
2 Thess. 3:10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.
Ephesians 4:25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26 "In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28 He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need.
I am not speaking of those in genuine need of help. I am speaking of the many men who have decided they want to live out on the road (I am VERY familiar with the homeless....have been involved in the ministry to them.)
Aside from the homeless issue, I just see so many places where TRUTH would have served better than what "WE DEEMED" as "love". Somehow we have gotten off-track with regard to truth. We have replaced it with our own "good works" that seems to have done more damage than good...when it would have served better to speak truth and deal with the response of anger, in hopes that in time the truth would have prevailed in heart and mind.
In His Love,
Suzanne
Yes, Suzanne . . . thank you !
Husband's making decisions . . . correct !
EXCERPT
http://daughtersofgodprayerclothmission.bl...d-insulted.html
WHAT IS A 'REPROBATE MIND' ?
Read below how serious it is to be turned over to a `reprobate mind` . . .
that I have been shown HUSBAND'S are facing, a spiritual deadline
decision about, as I write these word's November 6th, 2008 :
[see Genesis 6:3 and Romans 1:28, to understand the seriousness
of the decision of God, who can give husband's over to a `reprobate` mind]
Genesis 6:3
King James Bible
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Romans 1:28
King James Bible
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reprobate
1. a depraved, unprincipled, or wicked person: a drunken reprobate.
2. a person rejected by God and beyond hope of salvation.
adjective 3. morally depraved; unprincipled; bad.
4. rejected by God and beyond hope of salvation.
verb (used with object) 5. to disapprove, condemn, or censure.
6. (of God) to reject (a person), as for sin; exclude from the number of the elect or from salvation.
The facts are, the end times are here.
And it is fast approaching that husband's and wive's, must
be partnered with anointed spouse's. And the division will not
be a small matter.
Dear crown,
I completely agree and would further add that this is VITAL for revival of any sort:
The fathers MUST change with regard to the state of their children. They must begin active intervention for the spiritual well-being of their children/families. Men were created differently for a reason....the fathers must deal in truth with their children again, and raise them up in a godly fashion with the WORD as the foundation. The fathers must begin to care about the moral condition of their daughters again....and raise up standards of purity. If the fathers set standards in regard to women, then the sons will do likewise with regard to women. The standards have been lost. The fathers need to rebuke the daughters, (in love), with regard to their purity, so that the daughters feel valued again. (Why are there so many living together out of wedlock?) Because fathers have not demanded that their daughters be treated as worthy of marriage. Why are daddies not confronting the guys who are coming and defiling their daughters by not valuing them enough to marry them? Why are dad's silent? And Christian fathers???
Again, where is the TRUTH in these matters?
Malachi 4:6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
Luke 1:17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous--to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
We are NOT a people "prepared" for the Lord. We can look at the condtion of our children to see this. We have gotten so disengaged, that we now "kill" our own babies. THAT'S how "unprepared" we are.
In His Love,
Suzanne
I completely agree and would further add that this is VITAL for revival of any sort:
The fathers MUST change with regard to the state of their children. They must begin active intervention for the spiritual well-being of their children/families. Men were created differently for a reason....the fathers must deal in truth with their children again, and raise them up in a godly fashion with the WORD as the foundation. The fathers must begin to care about the moral condition of their daughters again....and raise up standards of purity. If the fathers set standards in regard to women, then the sons will do likewise with regard to women. The standards have been lost. The fathers need to rebuke the daughters, (in love), with regard to their purity, so that the daughters feel valued again. (Why are there so many living together out of wedlock?) Because fathers have not demanded that their daughters be treated as worthy of marriage. Why are daddies not confronting the guys who are coming and defiling their daughters by not valuing them enough to marry them? Why are dad's silent? And Christian fathers???
Again, where is the TRUTH in these matters?
Malachi 4:6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
Luke 1:17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous--to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
We are NOT a people "prepared" for the Lord. We can look at the condtion of our children to see this. We have gotten so disengaged, that we now "kill" our own babies. THAT'S how "unprepared" we are.
In His Love,
Suzanne
Proverbs 27:5
Open rebuke is better Than love carefully concealed.
In His Truth,
Suzanne
Open rebuke is better Than love carefully concealed.
In His Truth,
Suzanne
Where are the uprights counsels of Christian godly men? Where is the Christian counsel of a friend when another is about to divorce? About to marry? About to cheat? About to _________________?
Everyone is so fearful of making someone else angry. When we should be loving enough to be bold again. To care enough to speak the truth again. We have become complacent and the enemy has convinced us that it is none of our business....to care for another who is about to step into the fire. We are supposed to snatch them out, without getting too close ourselves.
A true brother may get angry with the truth when first encountered by it, but will end up turning and rejoicing.
Proverbs 13:18
Poverty and shame will come to him who disdains correction, But he who regards a rebuke will be honored.
Proverbs 15:32
He who disdains instruction despises his own soul, But he who heeds rebuke gets understanding.
Proverbs 17:10
Rebuke is more effective for a wise man Than a hundred blows on a fool.
Proverbs 19:25
Strike a scoffer, and the simple will become wary; Rebuke one who has understanding, and he will discern knowledge.
Ecclesiastes 7:5 It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Just because the majority do not choose to hear TRUTH, does not mean that it should stop being spoken.
In His Love,
Suzanne
Everyone is so fearful of making someone else angry. When we should be loving enough to be bold again. To care enough to speak the truth again. We have become complacent and the enemy has convinced us that it is none of our business....to care for another who is about to step into the fire. We are supposed to snatch them out, without getting too close ourselves.
A true brother may get angry with the truth when first encountered by it, but will end up turning and rejoicing.
Proverbs 13:18
Poverty and shame will come to him who disdains correction, But he who regards a rebuke will be honored.
Proverbs 15:32
He who disdains instruction despises his own soul, But he who heeds rebuke gets understanding.
Proverbs 17:10
Rebuke is more effective for a wise man Than a hundred blows on a fool.
Proverbs 19:25
Strike a scoffer, and the simple will become wary; Rebuke one who has understanding, and he will discern knowledge.
Ecclesiastes 7:5 It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Just because the majority do not choose to hear TRUTH, does not mean that it should stop being spoken.
In His Love,
Suzanne
QUOTE (tsth @ Nov 17 2008, 10:24 AM)
Proverbs 27:5
Open rebuke is better Than love carefully concealed.
In His Truth,
Suzanne
Open rebuke is better Than love carefully concealed.
In His Truth,
Suzanne
CORRECT : `Rebuke` is not defamation of character, `name calling` . . . people should study the difference:
Thank you, Suzanne, I am off line until my return after 11pm
Blessings !
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rebuke
rebuke
verb 1. scold, censure, reprimand, reproach, blame, lecture, carpet (informal) berate, tick off (informal) castigate, chide, dress down (informal) admonish, tear into (informal) tell off (informal) take to task, read the riot act, reprove, upbraid, bawl out (informal) haul (someone) over the coals (informal) chew out U.S., Canad. (informal) tear (someone) off a strip (informal) give a rocket Brit., N.Z. (informal) reprehend << OPPOSITE praise
noun 2. scolding, censure, reprimand, reproach, blame, row, lecture, wigging Brit. (slang) ticking-off (informal) dressing down (informal) telling-off (informal) admonition, tongue-lashing, reproof, castigation, reproval << OPPOSITE praise
EXCERPT, NOT THAT I BELIEVE 100% THE WEB LINK
http://www.truechristianity.com/christian/judgement.htm
Rebuking a sinner, exposing corruption, correcting someone in love or disciplining ones children is not judging wrongfully. If so, Jesus and the Apostles who were our example to follow would have been in error. I believe that the Devil is lying to people to convince them that Biblical correction is judging. Therefore, many believe that it is fine to go on sinning and not obey God by warning others. This is the opposite of the example set by the Apostles. People are more likely to take note and remember strong stirring words. Strong words cause people to repent and not remain lukewarm.
"1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 2 Timothy 4:2 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee."
Dear crown,
Thank you for clarifying the word "rebuke". We really need to understand its importance in our faith.
In His Love,
Suzanne
Thank you for clarifying the word "rebuke". We really need to understand its importance in our faith.
In His Love,
Suzanne
I am always surprised at the lack of response by men with regard to the topic of fathers. Is it offensive, or is it just contemplation that causes the lack of response in regard to what was posted?
I'm curious....why no fathers are jumping in to reply to what has been posted. Are you in agreement or disinterested?
In His Love,
Suzanne
I'm curious....why no fathers are jumping in to reply to what has been posted. Are you in agreement or disinterested?
In His Love,
Suzanne
QUOTE (tsth @ Nov 16 2008, 09:12 AM)
What Is Truth?
Seems to be AWOL in these times and oh, how I miss it.
I long for people to speak the truth in love. I long for boldness and courage. I am tired of the gray, fuzzy, confusion of the masses. I long for Jesus, today!
John 18:37 "You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
Ephesians 4:11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. 14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
Psalm 26:3 for your love is ever before me, and I walk continually in your truth. 4 I do not sit with deceitful men, nor do I consort with hypocrites; 5 I abhor the assembly of evildoers and refuse to sit with the wicked.
1 Cor. 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
2 Thess. 2:10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
Where is the desire for truth again?
I would rather see the prevailing of TRUTH, than the prevalence of PRIDE.
In His Love,
Suzanne
Seems to be AWOL in these times and oh, how I miss it.
I long for people to speak the truth in love. I long for boldness and courage. I am tired of the gray, fuzzy, confusion of the masses. I long for Jesus, today!
John 18:37 "You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
Ephesians 4:11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. 14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
Psalm 26:3 for your love is ever before me, and I walk continually in your truth. 4 I do not sit with deceitful men, nor do I consort with hypocrites; 5 I abhor the assembly of evildoers and refuse to sit with the wicked.
1 Cor. 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
2 Thess. 2:10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
Where is the desire for truth again?
I would rather see the prevailing of TRUTH, than the prevalence of PRIDE.
In His Love,
Suzanne
The reason there is so little response on the subject of fathers or fatherhood is because the men today are wimpering, sad, sorry, lazy, nasty, sluggish, and if there is any other label I can use just let me know and I will include that one too!
Oh we got 10,000 mouths spewing out every wicked imagination handed down from some other deadhead, but not many fathers who really care for the state of the children of God. You can't even find many taking care of their own kids nowdays.
Because iniquity is abounding the love of many has waxen cold. The first thing to fall victim to Pride or iniquity is the love for the truth.
It's not enough just to hear the truth (Jesus) you have to love it (him).
The people in general, even here are laboring under a strong delusion. It is so easy to recieve a lie. It's very difficult to rid oneself of it.
Few people are willing to divest themselves of everything they have ever learned so they can learn Christ.
This question was asked once of me:
"If you had the choice to be in a jail cell with a multiple socio-pathic murderer or a liar, which one would you choose?"
The answer is that most would choose to live with the liar. I would choose the insane murderer.
The liar will subvert you soul, the murderer might just kill the body.
Here is some truth:
God has a controversy with his people! Not the faggot, or the Abortionist down town, those who he has set his affections upon.
His people have always been whores to every false god, false religion, idol, demonic thought, evil doctrine, and unclean practice.
In fact, God blames his people for all the trouble in the world today.
We eat our bread and wipe our mouths and say "I have done no wickedness"
We are selfish and that is why the tribulation is comming.
God is going to bring his big stick and beat the hell out of those he loves.
Then we will as a whole be ashamed for all of our hash sentences and foolish speeches we have uttered against him.
We will say "surely our fathers (and the persons we hold in admiration) have taught us lies and have walked in the way wherein there is no profit."
www.straitwaytruth.com
I'm sorry raysondawn, I have to disagree a bit.
I think there have to be 1 or 2 men, who have understood what was posted in regard to fatherhood, and acknowledge it and agree with it.
I know this because my husband KNOWS the condition of men today and fatherhood. He acknowledges and teaches that there must be change in regard to men. So, because he sees it and knows it, I KNOW there must be a few men on this board who get it.
That is why I am asking, where are you, men????
Where is your help in making others aware of their godly responsibilities with regard to their families? THIS is just ONE of the TRUTHS I am referring to.
Women/moms, we need correction too! There needs to be examination, biblical examination of the order of the family again. We need to see where we have missed the mark, and we won't do it until we acknowledge that it has gone off the track when examining God's Word.
In His Love,
Suzanne
I think there have to be 1 or 2 men, who have understood what was posted in regard to fatherhood, and acknowledge it and agree with it.
I know this because my husband KNOWS the condition of men today and fatherhood. He acknowledges and teaches that there must be change in regard to men. So, because he sees it and knows it, I KNOW there must be a few men on this board who get it.
That is why I am asking, where are you, men????
Where is your help in making others aware of their godly responsibilities with regard to their families? THIS is just ONE of the TRUTHS I am referring to.
Women/moms, we need correction too! There needs to be examination, biblical examination of the order of the family again. We need to see where we have missed the mark, and we won't do it until we acknowledge that it has gone off the track when examining God's Word.
In His Love,
Suzanne
QUOTE (tsth @ Nov 17 2008, 05:58 PM)
I'm sorry raysondawn, I have to disagree a bit.
I think there have to be 1 or 2 men, who have understood what was posted in regard to fatherhood, and acknowledge it and agree with it.
I know this because my husband KNOWS the condition of men today and fatherhood. He acknowledges and teaches that there must be change in regard to men. So, because he sees it and knows it, I KNOW there must be a few men on this board who get it.
That is why I am asking, where are you, men????
Where is your help in making others aware of their godly responsibilities with regard to their families? THIS is just ONE of the TRUTHS I am referring to.
Women/moms, we need correction too! There needs to be examination, biblical examination of the order of the family again. We need to see where we have missed the mark, and we won't do it until we acknowledge that it has gone off the track when examining God's Word.
In His Love,
Suzanne
I think there have to be 1 or 2 men, who have understood what was posted in regard to fatherhood, and acknowledge it and agree with it.
I know this because my husband KNOWS the condition of men today and fatherhood. He acknowledges and teaches that there must be change in regard to men. So, because he sees it and knows it, I KNOW there must be a few men on this board who get it.
That is why I am asking, where are you, men????
Where is your help in making others aware of their godly responsibilities with regard to their families? THIS is just ONE of the TRUTHS I am referring to.
Women/moms, we need correction too! There needs to be examination, biblical examination of the order of the family again. We need to see where we have missed the mark, and we won't do it until we acknowledge that it has gone off the track when examining God's Word.
In His Love,
Suzanne
A man's responsibility is to provide instruction in righteousness for his house. He is to be the spiritual hedge for his wife and children. He is to be the one who is the dump truck in the necessities of life. That is what I mean by men are lazy, nasty etc.
When a man gets married and has children... his life is over!
Even God had it pretty good before he decided to have kids. The house has been torn up ever since!
If we are going to return to a biblical family, then wifey needs to stop getting all "made up" in the morning and submitting to another man 8-10 hours a day and serve with or for her husband and children.
Men need to turn off the Football game and start spending time with their children. Bible instruction etc. (we know your boring but you'll pull through it)
Men need to break the plate and get ahold of Yah!
Families need to get out of these antichrist cities and go out where they can grow something besides a lawn!
Well I'm not a 'father' and I certainly do not confess to be the world's greatest 'mother' or 'wife' so what I've done and am doing even now is laying it all at Yahshua's feet, I lay my self down at His mercy and surrender myself over to His will. I cannot change myself and I certainly cannot change the system of this world. And any person who stands up claiming they are "going to change the world" has usurped what has already been done through the crucifixion of our Saviour. No man can undo, redo, or fix what is happening today, unless we can change the hearts and minds of people? Nay. The medical field tried. Failed. Science tried. Failed. Education tried. Failed. Religion tried. Failed. Democracy and politics tried. Failed. Government tried. Failed. Did I forget one?
It is time to withstand the evil day, not stand up. It is time to bow down, weep and mourn between porch and altar (prayer, fasting) It is time for the wheat to show themsleves as such and the tares to show themselves as such. Wheat when it is full grown is heavy at the top and bows in the field, tares stand erect. Such is the harvest, which is the end of the world. And the reapers are here.
Anyone who seeks to save their life will lose it. And anyone who loses their life for His sake (Yahshua) will preserve it. Let your body be a living sacrifice unto Yahweh. And anyone who knows the Word, knows what I'm saying.
It is here. This is the great tribulation spoken of through the Gospel. The last sign given is the sign of Jonah (darkness) and then the next sign is His return
There is no other sign than these. Watch, pray and hold fast that which has been given you. Do not turn back and try to change (take up your garment).
Revelation 22:11;12
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12:And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Even so, come Lord Yahshua, come.
Thus is the title Saviour and only One is worthy to hold that title and follow through.
It is time to withstand the evil day, not stand up. It is time to bow down, weep and mourn between porch and altar (prayer, fasting) It is time for the wheat to show themsleves as such and the tares to show themselves as such. Wheat when it is full grown is heavy at the top and bows in the field, tares stand erect. Such is the harvest, which is the end of the world. And the reapers are here.
Anyone who seeks to save their life will lose it. And anyone who loses their life for His sake (Yahshua) will preserve it. Let your body be a living sacrifice unto Yahweh. And anyone who knows the Word, knows what I'm saying.
It is here. This is the great tribulation spoken of through the Gospel. The last sign given is the sign of Jonah (darkness) and then the next sign is His return
There is no other sign than these. Watch, pray and hold fast that which has been given you. Do not turn back and try to change (take up your garment).Revelation 22:11;12
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12:And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Even so, come Lord Yahshua, come.
Thus is the title Saviour and only One is worthy to hold that title and follow through. QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 17 2008, 04:19 PM)
Well I'm not a 'father' and I certainly do not confess to be the world's greatest 'mother' or 'wife' so what I've done and am doing even now is laying it all at Yahshua's feet, I lay my self down at His mercy and surrender myself over to His will. I cannot change myself and I certainly cannot change the system of this world. And any person who stands up claiming they are "going to change the world" has usurped what has already been done through the crucifixion of our Saviour. No man can undo, redo, or fix what is happening today, unless we can change the hearts and minds of people? Nay. The medical field tried. Failed. Science tried. Failed. Education tried. Failed. Religion tried. Failed. Democracy and politics tried. Failed. Government tried. Failed. Did I forget one?
So what exactly are you getting at Selah? That mothers and fathers don't need to recognize that they have not followed Christ with regard to their families?
Because it seems as though you are taking the easy route and don't want to encourage others to recognize that biblically we have not done what is required in regard to a Christian family. There were clear guidelines for the "Christian" family that are instituted in God's Word, that we have failed to adhere to.
My question is, "isn't it time for TRUTH" in regard to THIS matter as well? OR, should we just say, "oh well, we are in the days of evil", so let's just pray about it.
My point is that we need to actually do something in regard to this Christian walk that we so fervantly claim, and begin to live it for our families/children. It is not enough, just to pray. We need to act upon our faith. Faith has legs.......we walk in belief and our families should be a testimony to this faith.
In His Love,
Suzanne
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 17 2008, 04:19 PM)
Well I'm not a 'father' and I certainly do not confess to be the world's greatest 'mother' or 'wife' so what I've done and am doing even now is laying it all at Yahshua's feet, I lay my self down at His mercy and surrender myself over to His will. I cannot change myself and I certainly cannot change the system of this world. And any person who stands up claiming they are "going to change the world" has usurped what has already been done through the crucifixion of our Saviour. No man can undo, redo, or fix what is happening today, unless we can change the hearts and minds of people? Nay. The medical field tried. Failed. Science tried. Failed. Education tried. Failed. Religion tried. Failed. Democracy and politics tried. Failed. Government tried. Failed. Did I forget one?
QUOTE (tsth @ Nov 17 2008, 04:31 PM)
So what exactly are you getting at Selah? In His Love,
Suzanne
Suzanne
You left out the second and most vital piece of understanding from my post. Here it is again.
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 17 2008, 04:19 PM)
It is time to withstand the evil day, not stand up. It is time to bow down, weep and mourn between porch and altar (prayer, fasting) It is time for the wheat to show themsleves as such and the tares to show themselves as such. Wheat when it is full grown is heavy at the top and bows in the field, tares stand erect. Such is the harvest, which is the end of the world. And the reapers are here.
Anyone who seeks to save their life will lose it. And anyone who loses their life for His sake (Yahshua) will preserve it. Let your body be a living sacrifice unto Yahweh. And anyone who knows the Word, knows what I'm saying.
It is here. This is the great tribulation spoken of through the Gospel. The last sign given is the sign of Jonah (darkness) and then the next sign is His return There is no other sign than these. Watch, pray and hold fast that which has been given you. Do not turn back and try to change (take up your garment).
Revelation 22:11;12
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12:And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Even so, come Lord Yahshua, come. Thus is the title Saviour and only One is worthy to hold that title and follow through.
Anyone who seeks to save their life will lose it. And anyone who loses their life for His sake (Yahshua) will preserve it. Let your body be a living sacrifice unto Yahweh. And anyone who knows the Word, knows what I'm saying.
It is here. This is the great tribulation spoken of through the Gospel. The last sign given is the sign of Jonah (darkness) and then the next sign is His return
There is no other sign than these. Watch, pray and hold fast that which has been given you. Do not turn back and try to change (take up your garment).Revelation 22:11;12
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12:And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Even so, come Lord Yahshua, come.
Thus is the title Saviour and only One is worthy to hold that title and follow through.
I guess there are no fathers on Christian forum?
In His Love,
Suzanne
In His Love,
Suzanne
your guess is right you only have one guy making the rest of us christian fathers look stupid while he lifts him self up that is why you wil not get the responce you are looking for tsth
us true fathers dont need to come to this forum to were we have to prove to you or any member what i am hearing in your replys tsth
we do the real work with out having to come hear and show tsth and everyone else that we are sorry to let you down
may be you should post what you left and then what raysondawn left to say John Elderedge he wrote a book called wild at heart he works close with fathers in america and in australia and abroad then you have pastor brian huston from hill song in australia hill song holds men confrences that i go to with other fathers we also hold our own local confrences for men in the city i live in
to be honest when a real christian father goes through this topic of yours tsth he wil pick up what i have picked up and leave in discust warning the men in his church never to come to on line christian forums which i wil be doing in my mens group and teling the real fathers in our church in the philippines the same warning them that christian forums can be dangerous for a young father
i stick with real fathers
i also go over what bishop td jakes has to say he has many fathers communicating to each other building each other up i might warn him since he is in texas asking him what is being done to control on line forums were people like your self and others dont get the chance to judge us real fathers who are seeking god were god helps us to be better fathers
with out leaving what raysondawn left
you wil not get many real fathers responding hear tsth
the real work is done in the real world in our countrys we live in with real people who you have face to face contac
to be honest i found what has been said insulting but i am a guy you dont listen to because i dont support what you hold on to
the real men are the ones who also mentor other young boys who have no fathers spend time with kids who have no male role model figure in their life
in the farming community i moved from Department off community services is advertising in the local paper and phoning up pastors asking pastors to talk to men who have the spare time to be involved in mentoring young troubled boys
my old church christian out reach center al the men put the hand up they have 60 men on their list who are wiling to mentor troubled young boys who end up in Department of community services care i volunter with life with out barriers and the guys in my church become spiritual mentors to the young men in our youth group
but i wil not get no honest responce to what i left its saying inter net fathers only needed to respond no real father please we only want to hear from fathers who surf the web
so dont worry god is talking to us real fathers
Damo
us true fathers dont need to come to this forum to were we have to prove to you or any member what i am hearing in your replys tsth
we do the real work with out having to come hear and show tsth and everyone else that we are sorry to let you down
may be you should post what you left and then what raysondawn left to say John Elderedge he wrote a book called wild at heart he works close with fathers in america and in australia and abroad then you have pastor brian huston from hill song in australia hill song holds men confrences that i go to with other fathers we also hold our own local confrences for men in the city i live in
to be honest when a real christian father goes through this topic of yours tsth he wil pick up what i have picked up and leave in discust warning the men in his church never to come to on line christian forums which i wil be doing in my mens group and teling the real fathers in our church in the philippines the same warning them that christian forums can be dangerous for a young father
i stick with real fathers
i also go over what bishop td jakes has to say he has many fathers communicating to each other building each other up i might warn him since he is in texas asking him what is being done to control on line forums were people like your self and others dont get the chance to judge us real fathers who are seeking god were god helps us to be better fathers
with out leaving what raysondawn left
you wil not get many real fathers responding hear tsth
the real work is done in the real world in our countrys we live in with real people who you have face to face contac
to be honest i found what has been said insulting but i am a guy you dont listen to because i dont support what you hold on to
the real men are the ones who also mentor other young boys who have no fathers spend time with kids who have no male role model figure in their life
in the farming community i moved from Department off community services is advertising in the local paper and phoning up pastors asking pastors to talk to men who have the spare time to be involved in mentoring young troubled boys
my old church christian out reach center al the men put the hand up they have 60 men on their list who are wiling to mentor troubled young boys who end up in Department of community services care i volunter with life with out barriers and the guys in my church become spiritual mentors to the young men in our youth group
but i wil not get no honest responce to what i left its saying inter net fathers only needed to respond no real father please we only want to hear from fathers who surf the web
so dont worry god is talking to us real fathers
Damo
They probably aren't coming on the thread as you can't see what it's about from the thread title! I only came on because I have (unusually for me) got some time on my hands.
As for me, my DH is a great father and I know other Godly fathers out there. It's not all bad, although luke warm churches don't help.
As for me, my DH is a great father and I know other Godly fathers out there. It's not all bad, although luke warm churches don't help.
QUOTE (+Shine4Him+ @ Nov 17 2008, 10:30 PM)
They probably aren't coming on the thread as you can't see what it's about from the thread title! I only came on because I have (unusually for me) got some time on my hands.
As for me, my DH is a great father and I know other Godly fathers out there. It's not all bad, although luke warm churches don't help.
As for me, my DH is a great father and I know other Godly fathers out there. It's not all bad, although luke warm churches don't help.
Praise the Lord :
Please ask them to forward their testimony, I am seeking anointed men of God [IHVH]
to post their testimony at the daughter's Prayer Cloth blog !
And if you sister (+Shine4Him+) would distribute this request also, for the daughter's to
forward testimony, I would be very happy to share it with reader's interested in
that subject !
Love to you . . . .
Suzanne, I feel your grief your pain your "damsel in distress" call. You want a knight in shining armour on a white horse to rise up and 'fix' that which is broken. And I hear you. But I do not believe you are hearing God nor can you hear me. Go back if you will, to the tower of Babel in Genesis. Think of the story what happened, what they were doing, what became of it and why? Now return to today and read Revelation;
Revelation 18:2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Look at what has happened around you; things have fallen and continue to fall all around us. So do we now after the above passage begin again to build things up?? God forbid lest we go after the Lamb!
Here is your hero who will ride in shortly and save the day!
Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
You wrote something that I did not catch the first time; I think I'm still in shock:
It is time for truth to reign and rule and where do we find Him? Standing at a pulpit? Standing at a podium? Or standing at the right hand of God. Yes the latter is the only answer for today. When I suggested to pray between porch and altar do you think that is not a viable solution? Since when did prayer become a thing of vanity? Does Yahshua not say "My house shall be called a House of prayer"? That is the name for which God's dwelling place is called! When a day comes where prayer is no longer a solution; then the day has come when God is no longer the answer
Your point is "We" need to do something and I suggested the only thing we can do. Pray and weep and plead and speak to whomever we come in contact with to do the same. Lift up our voices and call upon the name of Yahweh and He will come! With patience and long suffering and faith; we can get through these time and remember! He cut's the day's short even.
What I've given is no "easy route" and in fact all I have done here is encourage Biblically. I cannot see where you see anything other than that? This would be probably one of the worst times to call upon a man to get us out of this mess, I think that would be putting faith in man rather than in God, and to God be the glory, Amen? Do not put faith in a man, I REPEAT! Lest you find yourself worshipping another and glorifying another. Talk to your circle of believers, express your faith and preach His return. Give hope to the hopeless and mercy to the ones who need it. Do what He has called you to do, and that could be many things, but one of them is not Saviour of the World, only He hold's that title. And He say's this:
John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Also, remember too what you were created for. Man's help-meet
Revelation 18:2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Look at what has happened around you; things have fallen and continue to fall all around us. So do we now after the above passage begin again to build things up?? God forbid lest we go after the Lamb!
Here is your hero who will ride in shortly and save the day!
Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
You wrote something that I did not catch the first time; I think I'm still in shock:
QUOTE
My question is, "isn't it time for TRUTH" in regard to THIS matter as well? OR, should we just say, "oh well, we are in the days of evil", so let's just pray about it.
It is time for truth to reign and rule and where do we find Him? Standing at a pulpit? Standing at a podium? Or standing at the right hand of God. Yes the latter is the only answer for today. When I suggested to pray between porch and altar do you think that is not a viable solution? Since when did prayer become a thing of vanity? Does Yahshua not say "My house shall be called a House of prayer"? That is the name for which God's dwelling place is called! When a day comes where prayer is no longer a solution; then the day has come when God is no longer the answer
Your point is "We" need to do something and I suggested the only thing we can do. Pray and weep and plead and speak to whomever we come in contact with to do the same. Lift up our voices and call upon the name of Yahweh and He will come! With patience and long suffering and faith; we can get through these time and remember! He cut's the day's short even.
What I've given is no "easy route" and in fact all I have done here is encourage Biblically. I cannot see where you see anything other than that? This would be probably one of the worst times to call upon a man to get us out of this mess, I think that would be putting faith in man rather than in God, and to God be the glory, Amen? Do not put faith in a man, I REPEAT! Lest you find yourself worshipping another and glorifying another. Talk to your circle of believers, express your faith and preach His return. Give hope to the hopeless and mercy to the ones who need it. Do what He has called you to do, and that could be many things, but one of them is not Saviour of the World, only He hold's that title. And He say's this:
John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Also, remember too what you were created for. Man's help-meet
QUOTE (tsth @ Nov 17 2008, 05:31 PM)
So what exactly are you getting at Selah? That mothers and fathers don't need to recognize that they have not followed Christ with regard to their families?
Because it seems as though you are taking the easy route and don't want to encourage others to recognize that biblically we have not done what is required in regard to a Christian family. There were clear guidelines for the "Christian" family that are instituted in God's Word, that we have failed to adhere to.
My question is, "isn't it time for TRUTH" in regard to THIS matter as well? OR, should we just say, "oh well, we are in the days of evil", so let's just pray about it.
My point is that we need to actually do something in regard to this Christian walk that we so fervantly claim, and begin to live it for our families/children. It is not enough, just to pray. We need to act upon our faith. Faith has legs.......we walk in belief and our families should be a testimony to this faith.
In His Love,
Suzanne
Because it seems as though you are taking the easy route and don't want to encourage others to recognize that biblically we have not done what is required in regard to a Christian family. There were clear guidelines for the "Christian" family that are instituted in God's Word, that we have failed to adhere to.
My question is, "isn't it time for TRUTH" in regard to THIS matter as well? OR, should we just say, "oh well, we are in the days of evil", so let's just pray about it.
My point is that we need to actually do something in regard to this Christian walk that we so fervantly claim, and begin to live it for our families/children. It is not enough, just to pray. We need to act upon our faith. Faith has legs.......we walk in belief and our families should be a testimony to this faith.
In His Love,
Suzanne
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 17 2008, 11:58 PM)
I cannot see where you see anything other than that? This would be probably one of the worst times to call upon a man to get us out of this mess, I think that would be putting faith in man rather than in God, and to God be the glory, Amen? Do not put faith in a man, I REPEAT! Lest you find yourself worshipping another and glorifying another. Talk to your circle of believers, express your faith and preach His return.
Dear Selah,
I was just hoping that there would have been some strong God-fearing men who would rise up and do what is right again in regard to their families. Who order their steps according to God's plan and Word, and truly care about their families. I didn't intend for this thread to turn into entirely a "falthers" issue, but I guess the lack of response by men surprises me.
Dear Shine4, I know you said that the title wasn't representative of the topic of fathers, but I would have thought that regardless of the title, there were surely men who read the topic anyway. So I wonder why no men responding, other than one who is in argument mode and I'm not going to foster it. That wasn't my intention. My intention was to bring up something of TRUTH, that needs to be acknowledged and honorably discussed. We don't repent(change our minds) if there's nothing brought up to change our minds about.
As far as praying, I don't have a problem with praying. I just have a problem with no change of heart with regard to an issue that needs to be changed. If the actions don't change then the heart didn't change....which means what was heard wasn't really believed. Such as Malachi 4:6. Do fathers believe THAT or not?
QUOTE (tsth @ Nov 17 2008, 09:14 AM)
Dear crown,
I completely agree and would further add that this is VITAL for revival of any sort:
The fathers MUST change with regard to the state of their children. They must begin active intervention for the spiritual well-being of their children/families. Men were created differently for a reason....the fathers must deal in truth with their children again, and raise them up in a godly fashion with the WORD as the foundation. The fathers must begin to care about the moral condition of their daughters again....and raise up standards of purity. If the fathers set standards in regard to women, then the sons will do likewise with regard to women. The standards have been lost. The fathers need to rebuke the daughters, (in love), with regard to their purity, so that the daughters feel valued again. (Why are there so many living together out of wedlock?) Because fathers have not demanded that their daughters be treated as worthy of marriage. Why are daddies not confronting the guys who are coming and defiling their daughters by not valuing them enough to marry them? Why are dad's silent? And Christian fathers???
Again, where is the TRUTH in these matters?
Malachi 4:6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
Luke 1:17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous--to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
We are NOT a people "prepared" for the Lord. We can look at the condtion of our children to see this. We have gotten so disengaged, that we now "kill" our own babies. THAT'S how "unprepared" we are.
In His Love,
Suzanne
I completely agree and would further add that this is VITAL for revival of any sort:
The fathers MUST change with regard to the state of their children. They must begin active intervention for the spiritual well-being of their children/families. Men were created differently for a reason....the fathers must deal in truth with their children again, and raise them up in a godly fashion with the WORD as the foundation. The fathers must begin to care about the moral condition of their daughters again....and raise up standards of purity. If the fathers set standards in regard to women, then the sons will do likewise with regard to women. The standards have been lost. The fathers need to rebuke the daughters, (in love), with regard to their purity, so that the daughters feel valued again. (Why are there so many living together out of wedlock?) Because fathers have not demanded that their daughters be treated as worthy of marriage. Why are daddies not confronting the guys who are coming and defiling their daughters by not valuing them enough to marry them? Why are dad's silent? And Christian fathers???
Again, where is the TRUTH in these matters?
Malachi 4:6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
Luke 1:17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous--to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
We are NOT a people "prepared" for the Lord. We can look at the condtion of our children to see this. We have gotten so disengaged, that we now "kill" our own babies. THAT'S how "unprepared" we are.
In His Love,
Suzanne
calling out inter net anointed fathers tsth does not want to talk to real fathers tsth wants inter net fathers only to respond
come out come out were ever you are it seems us real fathers who do the real work wil not be represented in this judgmental topic since tsth thinks i am hear to argue but wil accept one mans veiws and say i am hear to argue with her
if a real inter net father who surfes the web responds please dont drag us real fathers down who do the real work in our coummunitys i see only inter net anointed fathers and inter net fathers who spend their time on line are only needed to respond to tsths request remember inter net fathers you have real guys doing the work in the communitys we live in
for those inter net and anointed fathers who respond to tsths topic speak for your self only dont you dare represent us real fathers who are seeking god and crying out to him to were we can be better fathers i dont want to come to this post to hear you inter net fathers and inter net anointed men bringing us real fathers down
instead of tsths topic being called Question of the day she should have stated judgment of the day and then put her true motive down to why she wants only inter net fathers who are anointed to respond
you have real fathers abroad as i said caling out to god so they can be more effective not just in ther homes but to kids who have no father figure in their lives to boys who come to the youth group who have no real father figure we dont over ride our fathers who are members in our church and tell them we can do a better job or have a women judge them we only focus on boys and young girls who have no real fathers were we become that father they need in their lives
how can an inter net father who we dont know much about represent us real fathers ?
dont you dare drag us real fathers and divorced fathers down or bite into the way tsth is wanting you to respond if you do respond to the way she wants you to respond speak for your self only i am a born again christian who is a single father thats right i am a divorced man who has a child and i dont want to hear what a male left in tsth topic being directed to me or the divorced dads i know divorced dads can have an effective role to play in our churches but tsth only wants like minded souls like her who think like her she wil only respond to internet anointed men who have been with one wife
i guess real guys like my self and the men in my church and the men i know abroad are not needed to respond
oh if your a divorced dad dont bother responding only real inter net fathers who have stuck with their wife are to respond
tsth wil not listen
amazing ozell and bro tan could have responded they would have gotten amen brother preach it brother can i share what you left to the women i know you are so gifted brother and were is endtime and were is eli he would also have gotten the amen preach it only inter net fathers needed to respond i just see women yapping in this topic and one women not hearing the other sister out
Damo
come out come out were ever you are it seems us real fathers who do the real work wil not be represented in this judgmental topic since tsth thinks i am hear to argue but wil accept one mans veiws and say i am hear to argue with her
if a real inter net father who surfes the web responds please dont drag us real fathers down who do the real work in our coummunitys i see only inter net anointed fathers and inter net fathers who spend their time on line are only needed to respond to tsths request remember inter net fathers you have real guys doing the work in the communitys we live in
for those inter net and anointed fathers who respond to tsths topic speak for your self only dont you dare represent us real fathers who are seeking god and crying out to him to were we can be better fathers i dont want to come to this post to hear you inter net fathers and inter net anointed men bringing us real fathers down
instead of tsths topic being called Question of the day she should have stated judgment of the day and then put her true motive down to why she wants only inter net fathers who are anointed to respond
you have real fathers abroad as i said caling out to god so they can be more effective not just in ther homes but to kids who have no father figure in their lives to boys who come to the youth group who have no real father figure we dont over ride our fathers who are members in our church and tell them we can do a better job or have a women judge them we only focus on boys and young girls who have no real fathers were we become that father they need in their lives
how can an inter net father who we dont know much about represent us real fathers ?
dont you dare drag us real fathers and divorced fathers down or bite into the way tsth is wanting you to respond if you do respond to the way she wants you to respond speak for your self only i am a born again christian who is a single father thats right i am a divorced man who has a child and i dont want to hear what a male left in tsth topic being directed to me or the divorced dads i know divorced dads can have an effective role to play in our churches but tsth only wants like minded souls like her who think like her she wil only respond to internet anointed men who have been with one wife
i guess real guys like my self and the men in my church and the men i know abroad are not needed to respond
oh if your a divorced dad dont bother responding only real inter net fathers who have stuck with their wife are to respond
tsth wil not listen
amazing ozell and bro tan could have responded they would have gotten amen brother preach it brother can i share what you left to the women i know you are so gifted brother and were is endtime and were is eli he would also have gotten the amen preach it only inter net fathers needed to respond i just see women yapping in this topic and one women not hearing the other sister out
Damo
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