Is it part of the duty of a "believer" in Yahshua Messiah; to expose things such as 'false teachings' , 'secret societies' , 'hidden mysteries' such as occult, witchcraft and sorceries? For me personally this has been one of the duties I am struggling with. I understand that most of us, if not all as Bible readers should be able to spot evil and the works of evil relatively easily. Because the more truth in a person, the more the light shines and exposes 'darkness', is that correct?

I guess what I'm trying to say is this: How can a believer expose the root of something without having to search and investigate the group, teaching, root...etc? Would that also involve the believer in the wickedness? For example, freemasonry..I did my fair share of study about it and was also married to a freemason, so unfortunate for me-or not, I learned about some of the *teachings* and I now know by reading the Bible and studying the truth, that freemasonry is a false belief system. But is it my duty as a believer to proclaim that upon the housetops? Or should we just remain silent and pray for them? Can they be that deceived that they don't know the work their doing is evil?

Lot's of questions, I know. It's something that concerns me though and yet this was prophesied to come to pass. Overall...what are your thoughts Scripturally and as a believer regarding what we should and should not do pertaining to these things?

Thanks in advance.

I think you are leaving some important questions to die on the vine in your other thread about How do we know that we are in the truth. Why then are you changing the subject? Believe me. You are so far off being mature in the faith enough to tackle witchcraft and sorcery or freemasonry. My advice is get your head out of that space and go back to church and immerse yourself in the things of God.

This thread is not in the debate section. I do not want to debate about this, I'm asking in general from one who- despite your insults-loves Yahshua, to others who also love Him and their opinion Scripturally. This is more or less a human being, asking another human being for help on something I've struggled with. I'm not asking for advice doe doe head. And you really don't know anything about me at all, except you don't like me because I don't adhere to your religion or bow down to your pope or a statue.

If you notice, the beginning portion of the following, is in regard to deceiving and empty words (false teachings?), so it would make sense to think the the rest of the passage, regarding exposing would also relate to these falsehoods being exposed as well.


Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them. 8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord. 11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, 14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." 15 Be very careful, then, how you live--not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is.


In His Love,
Suzanne

One who follows the Lord and has studied themselves approved must always expose falsehood across the board when ever the occasion arises

For the individual(s) involved, and for those who look on

Otherwise one cannot be an effective witness to the truth

But this must be done objectively without entering into personal wrangling over issues whenever possible

When others rail at the message, and this will happen often, one should attempt to refrain from subjective discussion

There are occasions when one needs to be firm and to display outright rejection against false teaching in the open and this may involve necessary subjective application

But one needs to be selective, prudent, and sometimes very blunt in response in these situations

One must weigh all conditions and circumstances very carefully on a case by case basis before delivering a message of truth .... and think before you speak

The Lord came to the earth and told the truth ... a few believed .... but most did not

Read about how He dealt with the naysayers in the gospels

One always hopes that some of those who hear and look on will grasp the message

But, if not .... move on and continue with the work at hand

There is no contest against the truth and one who carries it need not be concerned about winning arguments against it

This is the Lord's business

We espose the darkness by shining the light.

Ephesians 5:6
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.
8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light
9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)
10 and find out what pleases the Lord.
11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, 14 for it is light that makes everything visible.
This is why it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." 15 Be very careful, then, how you live--not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is.

This passage tells us what to do. You may not be specifically called to be a teacher and search out these false doctrines. Most people are not callexdc to such. What you giftings and callings are should become evident as you grow in the Lord. Seek to grow in Him and these other issues will work themselves out.

do not be partners with them. So don't join a cult, coven, Mormon church, Kingdom Hall, etc. Don't join a band that glorifies ungodly things. Don't work at a bar or porn shop, etc.

Live as children of light. Now that you know what not to do, Paul said what to positively do. Live as a child of God. This is the pro-active way to expose darkness and combat evil.

find out what pleases the Lord. Seek understanding of Jesus. Seek out the word of God. Don't make it your lifestyle to constantly seek out all the false doctrines. Only when you are very familiar with the truth will the darkness and falsehoods immediatley become clear when you come upon them. I was banker once. We had to be so familiar with real cash in order to spot false bills. That was the only sure fire way.

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. This does not mean to be purposefully ignorant about false doctrines, the occult and false religions. It means to stay away from participating in their activities like pagan worship, New Age, other religions, etc. Don't go overboard and go on a witch hunt (like being overly suspicious of things like Christmas, etc). Just make sure that your heart is right with God and that you are not sinning.

everything exposed by the light becomes visible, 14 for it is light that makes everything visible. Our righteous, God fearing lifestyles make the distinction to the world with darkness. Our light shines without us neccessarily preaching out all the time. Maintain a fearless love for God and other people, no matter what religion they believe in, and your light will shine on the dark.

Ever feel invisible?



In His Love,
Suzanne

Selah, I'm more concerned about exposing the the things in me. Its tempting to try and expose evil elsewhere because it takes my eyes off the work that really matter. If I do that too often and too long I might find others proceeding me into the kingdom of heaven.

I say be the example, know thyself. The kingdom of heaven is within.

Love HB

I see what you are asking. The explanation would involve the opposites, the mirror images, of the fruits of the spirit. First, where is the root of a tree? What are we told is the root of all evil? Isn't it the love of money? So evil would be the tree. The root of that tree of evil is love. But it is an opposite. Not really the opposite in meaning, but in value. And what makes it valuable? Money; the standard of value. If you make the instruments of exchange your standard of value, then the more instruments you receive, the more valuable. Freemasonry is a misnomer; it is not free in the sense of no value, but free to practice masonry. Masonry does have a value. Masonry is the builders of cities; houses, roads, buildings, etc. But then, they have taken the spirit of the tower of Babel in Genesis starting at 11:4. And from that, they have a bad reputation. And to battle this bad reputation, they have to do good things. But, in comes Satanic thought and corrupts the good they do and scatters the good and it becomes an evil society. But, you can do what the tells you, you can snatch somebody away from that and save them and doing that you not only save them, but your own soul. You are warned in bible about being nosy, are you not? Investigating is one thing, but if you find something in your investigation that is contrary to what you believe, you are told to stay out of it.

Don't bring your own beliefs about what you read in the bible to your housetop and start warning the people because you may be wrong. Nothing in the bible is valuable to you in private. You are to go into your room and pray in private and the God who hears in private will reward you openly. The value is the reward and the reward is given to you out there in the open.

I covered that in my explanation of selah's question, but I will direct this to you. So, don't feel invisible. You're there!

The meanings of the bible have become rather confusing, to say the least, because of the many translations. What you are telling selah is that the words that have been spoken against Freemasonry are empty and that is right. That is the fruitless deeds of darkness; the words. You cannot expose something that everybody sees.



How do you know what they do in secret unless you're there? So the bible doesn't tell you to expose what they do, it is the bible that exposes it. It is puting the charge on YOU to live your life worthy.

Todays Berean

Isaiah 1:10-17


(10) Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

(11)To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

(12) When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

(13) Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

(14) Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

(15) And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

(16) Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

(17) Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

Very good topic.

The scriptures speak plainly about 'exposing'.



When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Ezekiel 3:18



Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Ezekiel 3:20


When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Ezekiel 33:8


"For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
John 3:20


Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them.
Ephesians 5:11



Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."
John 18:37

Thank you Suzanne. This is very helpful. One of my personal weaknesses is "not knowing what to do" He does say also: Those whom much is given, much will be required, and I do not boast in saying He has given me much, because I also realise that much will be required of me as a vessel. Sometimes Yahweh overwhelmes me with His presence and I feel the absolute pain on one part for catching a glimpse of the overspreading wickedness and yet I also feel the absolution of joy of His mercy and I want to run out in the streets and tell everyone, even if some already know!! MY heart aches for my own past of such disobedience and it now aches for those I see and hear going about their own way...which leads to destruction, then end of the road for us is one of eternal life or one of damnation. No one can hide from Yahweh.

So that's why I yearn and long for the strength and the way to not be a teacher; but to be a vessel of Yahweh to help and assist to bring others OUT of the fire and into the place where we wait for His return with open arms. If there is no one to do this or no one wants to, or perhaps others stand in the way and say things like "you're unworthy" then how can anyone be held accountable and justified by righteousness? We are not suppose to throw others in the fire; we are suppose to pull them out and lead them into truth. Has everyone forgotten what He has given us, us who follow Him?

I think so...and even I am guilty

I'm sorry if I said anything hurtful before to you Suzanne...I misunderstood your stance, but now I understand.

Thank you for the passage-and bringing it to REMEMBRANCE.
How many times does our Saviour say and even Paul "remember when I was with you I told you these things"? Interesting that He knew we would all forget in our soft slumber.

That is true...we have to be "effective" witnesses for the truth. And for the sake of truth. And why do we? Not to be glorified, not to gain crowns and pearls and golden streets, we do it because we love Yahweh first and we know we are sinners and He by His Son/Word has brought us out of the old sinful nature and into His glory.

Times before Stephen I thought you were cold and robotic. And perhaps you were! But I see a your aches for the people and I feel His mercy coming through your words. Those are qualities that bring glory to Him, the more He moves you and the more you are wiling and surrender, the more of Him you become. Thus a Son of God, through His Son

Yep this certainly is being about our Father's buisness.

Thank you.

Me too!! Me too! I know there are things of me and in me that must come out and go away. We will not be changed or perfected or completed (however you want to describe it) until He finishes us.

I don't feel the same with you on the last sentence. I would rather see many go before me; I love to see people converted and heading down the path of eternal life to be with our Creator. That's sort of why I decided to even write this topic. I had no idea where it was going, I just needed help and I knew this was a secondary place to receive help and confirmation, because I do consider most of you as real people, behind a computer/net but nevertheless I also consider us all as children of Yahweh, some deceived heavily, some confused (me sometimes) and some with no solid grounding, but most of you impress me so much with your love of truth, even when we disagree, it is sometimes through those disagreements I walk away having gained more faith and truth, because I search and see and really listen.

Yes know thyself...look in the mirror. I do this painfully and pleasingly ALOT.
Thank you.

Adam-Thank you for the passages and for explaining !!! It is important to find our calling and go! What are we all waiting for? A sign? The sign was given; HE was crucified and we believe He was also brought back to life and is in Heaven at the right hand of the Father!

Well I wish you had been in my life about 5 years ago to warn me about being partners with one. I believe though that out of that; I was taught a valuable lesson. I had nothing at that point except a husband who would mock The Bible as truth. So I turned straight to Yahshua, and asked Him to get me out. And He did and I have learned many things from that entire scenerio.

It's tough because false teachings are rampant, like a flood. And the flood is after those who hold the testimony of Yahshua. The enemy has some already deceived and uses them as instruments to deceive those who are seeking truth. This is where it can be troublesome. Trying to get people to see what they once had and let go of...etc.

Thanks for giving what you have regarding this issue...it is very helpful.

Gregg,
Thank you! You saw exactly what I was concerned about. Thank you also for explaining about masonry, I had never considered what you stated. Course they do "good deeds" working on ways to make the blind see for example; but it is the way they do it. If the blind can run to a device, or doctor or something tangible, then how can we give them sight? They reject what is not SEEN over what is SEEN. Total rejection of faith and the works of the Kingdom of God. Too many man-made establishments have gotten in the way of the Kingdom of Heaven. People are sick, they go to a doctor, people are thirsty they go to the faucet or fridge.

Nosy is not a fruitful attribute according to Scripture. But overall, how else can we know things like what our children are doing, without being nosy sometimes? If people were truthful and honest, then we would not have to be nosy, in fact that word might not even be part of our vocabulary. That's a sad fact.

A freemason is always placed in my path every few years or so. I think the last time, was the last, but then again..Bugs are attracted to the light?

Thanks to all of you and Signet thanks very much for the passages. See ask and ye shall receive

Expose the works of darkness (hidden from light).

Eli your avatar of Adam Weishaup, just so you know he was involved in the illuminati, if you don't believe me google him and illuminati.

I understand. The avatar and screen name are a joke. I don't believe that there is an Illuminati today nor is there any conspiracy like they supposedly had in mind.

I agree Eli. I believe this:
Daniel 11:27
And both of these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

Men in fancy suits with oil and blood upon their hand to put dollars in the other, that is all they are. Vanity among vanity. And I'm sure they themselves even came up with the name/term "ill um i nat i" just to glorify themselves and instill some fear. Fear God and give Him the glory

Jeremiah 11:9 And the Lord said unto me, "A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

The "men of Judah" are of the tribe of Judah. The "inhabitants of Jerusalem" are those that "say they are Jews but are not." Note....there is a conspiracy. And....it is the Lord that tells us this.

11 Kings 17:4 And the king of Assyria found conspiracy in Hosea: for he had sent messengers to So king of Egypt, and brought no present to the king of Assyria, as he had done year by year; therefore the king of Assyria shut him up, and bound him in prison.

The king of Assyria is a type of Satan. Satan has his conspiracies and they continue today because, as Christ said when he confronted them.....Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. [John 8:44]

There is another "conspiracy" I wanted to add to the above.

Ezekiel 22:25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.

22:27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admoninition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Today our prophets (teachers, priests, preachers, etc.) are in that conspiracy to devour souls....and they do.

Conspiracy #7195 an unlawful alliance. (more like an ungodly alliance )

we should all be doing our best and we should also be focusing from with in


exposing evil not many want to focus on what needs to be dealt from with in this is what i am noticing and its not just me the guys i know in my old church are in touch with the enviroment Australian Aborigonal people understand and are so spiritual especialy spirit filled christian Australian Aborigonal men and women

my church and the pastor and the aborigonal people who belong to the old church i was a member off taught me a lot i learnt more from these guys and i am great full for the wisdom and knowledge that has been passed on to me i stil keep in touch with my old pastor and his wife and the guys i know


but when it comes to exposing evil i notice the catholic church does what ever it can to sweep it under the carpet

look at the way excubitor deffends the catholic church look at how he responds to those who disagree with him he is hear to debate thinking he has the blessing and backing from the true holy church


what the prieists did to the young boys is not on only know is the catholic church giving up its pedophile priests but when the witch hunt was on the catholic church and the vatican did what ever it could to prottect these pedophil priests why are they giving these pedophile priests over to be dealt with by the laws of the countrys they live in simple the catholic church forked out a lot of money had to sell some of the preciouse cathedrals and land it hurt the catholic church also while i am at it there is a christian in america who looks after catholic priests who have come down with Aids i did my own digging he said when ever this is mentioned to the pope it is swept under the carpet

know that this has come to the surface the catholic church in rome is doing what it can to show us that it is seriouse they are trying to show us they care and they are trying to show us that they are not the evil monsters or what happend 2,000 years ago wil no longer happen in the near futer where the true holy apostolic church does not persecute us or comes into a town were its priests go on a hunt like with the salem trials were those poor innocent women and sevral men lost their lives all to the guy holding the inquastion being given orders to kill all witches who served satan i mean come on they could not really say these women were witches but those children being ussed gave these poor women and sevral men up the dim wit running the inquest believed these depraved kids who would say she cast a spell on me i say i saw her flying on her broom or he is a warlock



we all need to do what we can to expose the evil from with in not what the world does the countrys we live in the goverment and president or prime minister of these countrys worship the god of this earth they want nothing to do with god and i dont want to hear abortion is evil and it should be exposed

jesus did not go persecuting the mothers in his time in the villages he found him self in no pro life supporter who is a christian can tel me that jesus condemned the women in the villages he found him self in as back in those days they would have had their own ways and special drs who knew what to do compared to the technology we have


when ever you ask a catholic like Excubitor what is the catholic church doing to expose the evil from with in you are left with what excubitor leaves you


we should be praying over our citys and neighbour hoods and country towns we live in we should be walking the streets like we did in my old church were you claim the area proclaim jesus over the areas satan has rule pray for each family living next to your church ask the lord to bless them ask the lord for his peace to rest in troubled neighbour hoods ask his peace to rule your citys were their is violence on thursday friday and saturday nights

pray that the pubs and clubs and rsl clubs selling alcahol and liqure shops shut down for good if you are seriouse you would be writting letters to your local rep who represents your area demanding him that you want to see these pubs clubs and rsl clubs and liqure shops that sell alcahol shut down

alcahol has done so much damage in our countrys we live in but when it comes to a christian who is a pro life supporter ther focus is on abortion clinics only

traficking of women young girls and young boys from india east asia china and the philippines and Russia needs to be dealt with were no longer do these greedy pimps who own brothels strip clubs can opperate in our citys country towns industry areas were factorys are

to this day young women from these countrys are sold to the sex industry for greedy men to make money out of them the owners who own these brothels and strip clubs pay guys to travel abroad were they pick out the best good looking young women and boys to be used by greedy men who go on sex tours

when i use to work in the strip clubs in kings cross in sydney owned by the criminals who came up on the royal inquest we use to walk the streets looking for potential young women to strip in the clubs my old boss use to own we new if we had the best young women stripping on stage taking clients up stairs and having sex with them my boss new we could make a killing plus with the strip clubs being so close to the navy base in pots point in sydney you had the army and navy from abroad comming to these strip clubs and brothels for a good time i was given $100 to $200 for the young girls i would bring in who would agree and sign a contract this contract was put in a file and it was used against them the only way they could get out is run and hide where they cant be tracked down talking to the police did not help these young women nowing if the officer you are talking to is being payed under the table or in contac with these men

the women i use to watch over were beaten by the owner and his guards i saw things that have never left me and stil haunt me to this day my best friend who ran away from home told me why she ran away from home her father a dr and her mother works for a law firm she could not handle the rules so she ran away with another friend to end up living on the streets i lived on once she is dead her owner ended her life she was found in a dumpster with a needle hanging out of her vains herroin over dose her pimp is on the run to this day has not been cought she died in 1987 when i was told that is when i began to use my head i turned against the guys i use to work for but while i was working for the main criminal abe safron who is dead i put up with his angry out bursts i put up with the men abe new who would take their anger out on the young women i would hear one poor young women begging for her life while her owner got his belt and belted her with his belt and you would hear his fists hitting her face this is what the public dont see this is what the police are not told due to abe and the other strip club ownsers paying off the police

when i was told my friend had been killed i lost it i took my revenge on the guys i knew i stood up to sevral brothel owners i threatend one brothel owner to were another mate begged him not to have him end my life when i was told i came to his brothel i put him down in front of his workers he did not do a thing the strip club i was working in had one 13yr old taking older men up stairs we had two catholic priests comming to the strip club i worked in i could not believe it a catholic priest paying to have sex with a 13yr old my boss had pictures of the priest and if he tried anything funny the pics he had would be delivered to the vatican and in rome and one pic given to the local paper

these criminals i tangled with who had connections with the mafia were clever


when the royal inquest began i was told if i talked fronted court my life as i know it would be over a close friend of mine who is an apostolic penticostal christian fedral police officer told me its up to me if i help the royal inquest my old pastors new in the first church i gave my life over to god and my spiritual mentors but i wanted no harm coming to my pastors and their family or my spiritual mentors thes guys tracked me down and i was warned i did not let them scare me

i went back to kings cross while the inquest was happening and not one pimp not one dealer working for thes pimps or the brothel and strip club owners said anything to me i faced one guy i said whats the price on my head he was silent al he said is you are either crazy or brave for showing your face he told me all the strip clubs have been raided i said good


when god got me this is were my focus was my pastor said god can use you i said yes but i also need to use my head i have my saftey to think about this is why i ran from god nowing what these guys could do if i fronted these guys and said yes this is what happend i am not sure if i would have been safe or could the police watch over me

women from russia and east asia worked in these strip clubs and brothels they were brought into this country under fake pass ports immigration officers who these men new were payed off

i typed up a letter and said this is what i have witnessed my friend who is a police officer encouraged me i am great full for the christian police officers who god put around me i can see why god did this

i hated police officers and when i find my self in a unitting penticostal charasmatic church what does god do puts christian police officers in my path i have 9 close friends who are chrisian police officers who stand in the gap for me the letter i sent helped the royal inquest i was going to take what i new to the grave but god told me its time to deal with what i was running from


i am no angel this is were my focus is not were i condemn an innocent young women or mother like pro life supporters do

wel know that i have opened up a little bit and said who i use to be and shared what i had seen will you stil see me as a flake ? i am no angel i am not proud of my old ways but i did what i could to survive plus i was hated by my father and my mother does not want anything to do with me i am 41yrs old i have been on my own i dont know what its like to be loved or be in a big family my birthday on sunday i spent it on my own not one person in the church i am in now said happy birthday damo and i am fine with that i have gotten so use to being on my own even after my divorce i went near no women i had two flings when i vowed never to give god a second chance know i have a fiancee who is a filapino pastor who loves me who encourages me who builds me up and understands the strugles i have had to deal with she has a big family 32 i freaked out when i was invited to come to her grand mothers birthday but god has his hands on me

so wil you say i am a fool for leaving this hear in selahs topic ?



watch what excubitor leaves me and you wil see why i dont take on that spirit in excubitor

if i hear of a brothel starting up if i know that a home has been brought due to my life experiance i tel the police and i go out of my way to have these brothels shut down by law they cant set up in neighbour hoods or near schools this is our law only in industry areas away from homes were familys live and away from schools in canberra we have brothels and porn shops in one area we have been pushing for these brothels and porn shops to be clossed but because this city worships the god of this earth we have hit a brick wal and al i can do is trust that god wil knock down that brick wal we these brothels and porn shops close down for good this is were my focus is and this is why i wil not support christians who are pro life supporters



Damo

Damo, Pro-lifers have a life an ministry outside of only standing up for baby's lives. Think about it. I would ask you to not be so quick to judge large groups of Christians like us.

yes while you are alowed to judge guys like me place pics in this forum have members hear give you high fives saying well said eli while guys like damo who are also called out see where the real focus should be

as i said eli i dont waste my gifts i notice when it comes to this forum you are only accepted if you hold on to the same views as you eli if i said i was a pro life supporter same thing i would be getting preach it bro


we both lived the wild life eli we both have seen the damage alcahol and drugs and speed and herroin and sex traficking can do to a person

i am not hear to gain a fan club eli and i would ask you take back your tone to me i remember you saying leaving in an old post of bf smiths is sin abortion you said this is your last word to me and you said also for no member to communicate with me

tel me somthing eli is this fourm for only pro life supporters like your self if you dont like how i tacle things or what i leave in this forum get one of the mods to kick me off or ban me

i read your new post you put up an old pink floyed song i know so well you said we should not judge whoes doing the judging eli ?


we both pray to the same god and dont you dare call me a flake you are their for the baby well do you want me to slap a badge on you saying you are only their for the baby eli were you show no real compassion towards the mother

give up you wil not get me to come around or support you born again pro life supporter christians


so if i only agree to what you cal evil i wil get members responding to what i had to say

i suggest you preach what you leav hear to me over your self eli


the only thing we have in commen is what christ did for us on the cross

why so large groups like you can come down on guys like me whoes real focus is on those in real need


i wil come back later and by the responces you get to what you left me wil prove my point i am not hear to gain a fan club eli or am i hear to have a fan club or loyal following







Damo

give up you wil not get me to come around or support you born again pro life supporter christians

Clear enoght Damo. Why not stop posting all this anti-pro-life stuff then? We get the point:you are never going to reconsider.

eli you read what i said in responce to selahs topic did you read all of what i said or only payed attention to why my focus is not on what you pro life supporters focus is on ?

is only one evil accepted in this forum were christians who are pro life get more support or should we focus also on the other evils i mentioned eli ?

should i eli tell guys like my self who want to see brothels and strip clubs and liquer stores that sell alcahol shut down were no women or young kids male and female are being traficked through our country that end up working either in strip clubs or brothels to were we say lets focus on the more important evil that eli tsth and sevral other memebers in this forum are focusing on i did not even sign the pertition that is set up in this forum and say i signed it i noticed the high five certain members get i signed it praise the lord amen i agree preach it

al i see in this forum eli is a double standard

we are to focus were god has put us eli not come hear setting up topics placing pics like you did to make a point come down on guys like my self and any one else who does not want to focus on what you tsth and sevral other members are focusing on were you think only of the baby and make the mother feel guilt who is about to end her childs life


why should i wast my gifts god has not told me to join you and support you my focus is on what i shared from my past


as i said jesus focus was not on the politics of the roman empire his focus was on the lost sheep of the house of israel eli


so were you in your rights to say what you left me eli thinking if you came down on me called me out i would come around ?


yes eli i dont want to see what you left in bf smiths old topic is abortion sin either it did not gain you nothing by placing that pic and having excubitor leave what he left that does not happen by the way were a child is left to die but it amazes me when it comes to the double standard i see hear




Damo