CAIN

Genesis 4:1-2 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, "I have gotten a man from the Lord." And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Cain makes his entrance....thus setting in motion the planting of the tares in this world.

Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

It couldn't be any plainer than that. The enemy, Satan, sowed his children in the world. They are the tares. When did he sow them? When he seduced Eve in the garden. But, this thread is not to rehash the same arguments about Cain being that dastardly "serpent seed."

Instead...let's discuss Cain. In Genesis 6 we learn about the fallen angels mixing with the daughters of Adam (in the Adamic line) and that union produced giants. Well....as Cain was fathered by THE fallen angel, leader of the pack, then...what about Cain? Could he too have been a giant?

Cain went to the "land of Nod," which means "wandering" and is thought to be modern day Mongolia. There was, in the predynastic Pharoah's of Egypt, a king Kajin (king Cain), the Scorpion king...Sargon the Great, Sargon the Magnificent.

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The Scorpion king is depicted as superhuman and he....towers over others. There was found in Egypt a plaque, which was two sided and carved in shell that shows two bulls surmounted with a hoe. Beneath their hooves is a stream with fish swimming. The hoe is identical to the mace carried by King Scorpion on a carving which shows him in a white hat (of upper Egypt). HE IS HUGE. If the man shown beside him was 5'8" then Sargon was ten feet tall. Interestingly, there is a scorpion shown in front of his profile and a rosette with seven petals beside that. He is holding a plow.

Sargon was also found on ancient tablets that show Abram, the Hebrew. The earliest writing found on a clay tablet was in a tomb of King Scorpion in Suhug province, three hundred miles south of Cairo. It was a record of linen and oil deliveries to king Scorpion 1.

A few years ago, on the History Channel I believe, an archaologist was showing a cave she had discovered. Displayed on the wall was the carving of a scorpion, a rosette (as described above) and a hawk (as Horus). They were VERY, VERY HIGH on the wall. I wonder why?

Revelation 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth; and unto them was given power, as the SCORPIONS OF THE EARTH have power.

The locusts pouring out are the fallen angels in Satan's army....the scorpions are his offspring ON EARTH NOW and they have power. They are of their father Cain and Cain is of his father.....

Malachi 4:5-6 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he shall turn the heart of the FATHERS to the children, and the heart of the children to THEIR FATHERS, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

My question would be....was Cain a giant, as well as some of his offspring? I think so.

Well I get gotta get going,,,so I will drop more later,,,,but I always had the feeling when God said:::: What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.,,,,I get the feeling he was brutally murdered,,,,I also get the feeling it was like Mike tyson fighting a 12 year old,,,,Abel didnt stand a chance......I also believe when Eve said I have gotten a man from the LORD. That there was something different about the way Cain looked,,,,size apperance im not sure but I bet he was one big boy.....

ah so this is where i get the edge since i was born in 1967 and my birthday is on sunday 16th nov so you can say its true watch out for us scorpions

so may be this is why god also was soft on Caine ? this is what i noticed in the conversation Cain had with God and God responding back to Cain but did Cain see god face to face moses wanted to see gods face but god did not alow it

in the garden when god would come to chit chat with Adam and Eve did Adam and Eve see gods face ?

and when god rebuked Adam and Eve and satan did they all see his face ?


this is what i have looked at al we have is the conversation cain had with god and it tels me he was talking to god


hear is what i am trying to work out if god showed him self to adam eve and cain why could he not let moses see him as moses would see Araon face to face ?


i know if moses was to see gods face like i have contac with my son he would have dropped dead on the spot is this why god put his hand over moses when he passed the mountain were moses was stading to put his hand over moses so moses could not see him


their is logic to what i am leaving thes are not stupid questions to were i am trying to trap anyone or throw whirlwinds topic of its course

did cain see god or did cain hear gods voice only ?

i know how poor old cain felt with me having my croation name as Damir and then my Australian name Damien so aussies can say my name propely i have been told i am my fathers child i have his blood flowing through my vains so i must be satans child as cain could not be adams son this i know he has not got adams blood running through his vains other wise he would have not killed Abel but proffessing christians wil not look at what i have been looking at if cain was adams son he would not have killed Abel it was not in adam to kill a human being or was this evident in eve

al i hear is what happend and this is how its preached to the body it was not jealousy that made cain kill his brother Abel or rage the more i look at it try to unscrable the hidden things that are not being shown to us i have more questions and when i do ask i get told i am being crazy for even thinking the way i think cain is satans son he has satans blood running through his vains just like on suppernatrual one brother has demon blood running through his vains and the other brother does not have demon blood running through his vains so yes i watch suppernatural but i am not alowing what i see have its effect over my life




Damo

Cain's behaviour was the result of Adam and Eve partaking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil which they were warned by Yahweh not to partake of. It is sometimes the obvious that people miss or deny so as to give something "deeper" and more "dramatic" I suppose. Satan is not ignorant about our weaknesses either; and he knows well and good that people (especially in this day and age) love a good juicy novel with a bunch of special effects. That is why we are also warned:
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Satan corrupts minds, not genetics. Genetics is YAHWEH'S PLACE. He is Creator and there is none beside Him-unless you put one there!

Saying that "Cain's behaviour was the result of Adam and Eve partaking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil" isn't correct. Actually, you are wrong on all the above points except one.

Jeremiah 31:27 "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

31:29 In those days they shall say no more,' The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.'

31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.

What Adam and Eve did (and it was not eating an apple), or what any parent does, does not pass to the child. Each of us that "eateth a sour grape" feel the consequence. God does not punish us for what our parents did or didn't do nor will a curse fall upon our children for what we do.

On your other point.....Of course Yahveh is the Creator but does that mean others do not produce offspring?

Also, in supplying the Jeremiah scripture to explain that children (Cain included) do not pay for their parents sin (even if his father is Satan) which was a scripture the Holy Spirit brought to mind in order to answer you....He also supplied another answer. Please notice above in [Jeremiah 31:37] that there is a seed of Israel as well as a seed of man and a seed of beast.

Genetics apparently are quite important! I do agree in that Satan corrupts minds. The minds he specifically wants are....

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The "woman" is Israel. She is of genetic seed and she keeps the commandments and testimony which are the seed of Christ.

The parable of the tares and the wheat is a parable, nothing in it is literal. Nothing is said by Jesus to indicate that he was showing us insight about Cain. You are reading this into the parable. I would ask, what is the purpose of this parable? This is all that should be taken from it and nothing more. Any teachings that RELY on parables, types or shadows are certainly false. God says things plain for all to understand.

I would suggest that you see if you can find the serpent seed doctrine in the Bible without resorting to any parables for evidence.

sorry.....this posted before I had completed it....

I don't understand why you just posted a parable. I just posted this:

I would suggest that you see if you can find the serpent seed doctrine in the Bible without resorting to any parables for evidence.

This is the teaching to the multitudes in parable form.....

Matthew 13:24-25 Another PARABLE put He forth unto them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, HIS ENEMY CAME AND SOWED TARES among the wheat, and went his way.

The wheat are children of Adam and Eve. The tares (of the enemy) are children of Satan and Eve.

And then we have the parable explained by Christ Himself. Notice that the explanation is not for the multitude, those without ears to hear, but is to His disciples....those that follow Him. He went "into the house," which is us....we are the body of Christ.

Matthew 13:36 THEN Jesus sent the MULTITUDE AWAY, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, "DECLARE UNTO US THE PARABLE of the tares of the field."

13:37 He answered and said unto them, "He That soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the TARES ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE WICKED ONE;

Remember....this is no longer in parable form.

13:39 THE ENEMY THAT SOWED THEM IS THE DEVIL; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Sorry Eli....I hit the wrong button. Please refer to the completed reply.

The parable is about the Kingdom of Heaven, not genetics or lineages.

In the end, the parable shows us that there will always be false children of God living among us in the church/kingdom of God. You have no way to root out the false from the true. Jesus was warning his people to expect this in the future/now. Jesus is assuring us that the false Christians who are not really born again will one day be removed from their places among those who are truly of his kingdom. This will be in the end of the age. This will happen to a large extent at the begining of the millennium and in its fullest extent at the end of the millennium when the new earth begins.

This parable does not support the serpent seed doctrine at all. Jesus specifically explained what the parable meant. He did not teach anything in line with the serpent seed doctrine there. He only taught what I explained above.

The following is NOT in parable form Eli. He is telling us that Satan planted his seed....literal seed, sperma, male sperm - offspring.

13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the TARES ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE WICKED ONE;

13:39 THE ENEMY THAT SOWED THEM IS THE DEVIL; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

YOu need to stop limiting satan,,,,,satan corupts everything he can,,,,, he was willing to do what ever it took to stop Christ birth.....

The seeds in the parable are wheat and tare seeds, not sperm.

In the parable it is.....but what of the explanation of the parable?

Seed # 4690 sperma, from 4687; something sown, i.e. seed (incl. the male sperm) by impl. OFFSPRING, spec. a remnant (fig. as if kept over for planting); issue, seed.

As God has us, His remnant of the elect, so does Satan have his remnant....the tares, the scorpions.

Eli first a parable was givin,,,then Christ explained the parable in literal terms saying the "Tares" are the children of Satan.....It doesnt get clearer then that,,,when Christ tells you that these people/tares are the children of satan,,,there the children of Satan period.........

As far as other places,,,, there are many of them,,,,, the line of truth wiggles its way through the bible.....

14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Now most people understand that the "seed" of the woman is Christ,,,,,,Christ is the one that will ultimately crush satans head.....THIS IS LITERLAL,,Christ literally was born the "SEED"/Christ literal was killed a will literal destroy satan.....So we see the "SEED" of the woman is our literal saviour Christ.....

What about the "SEED" of the serpent/satan??????,,,,,well its simple,,,in the Hebrew you must stay on topic and we know where talking about literal children as I just explained,,,so the serpent seed is literal to...You cannot say that Eves seed is literal but satan seed is spiritual.......

You should also look up that word "seed" as it is being utilized here,,,,,,you will come to find it means sperm/children/offspring......

Seriously, in the context of the parable, the seeds are not sperm. The seeds here are wheat and tare seeds, so you agree?

Well, to answer that question I have to ask one. Why didn't God allow Moses to go into the Promise Land?

Moses was a murderer and he hid the body! Exodus 2:12. Moses hid his face from God.

Adam and the woman heard God in the Garden and hid, they did not see Him.

Cain heard God. God Spoke to Cain. Cain did not see Him.

But Moses did see God. That's why Moses had to cover his face after he came down the mountain the second time. But Moses was not allowed in the Promise Land nor in the temple.

Dearest Eli.....we are wheat. God's children are wheat. We are literal. Satan's children are tares...his literal seed. "The tares are the children of the wicked one."

I am not wheat. That is obviously an analogy.

I am a man created in the image of God. There is a huge difference. I just ate some wheat for breakfast a few hours ago. If this was cannibalism than I was in sin and so was Jesus for eating bread.

I appreciate the kindness in calling me "dearest Eli." I hope you know that I love you too.

Please leave the parable and consider His explanation of the parable. In the parable we are wheat. In actuality we are the children of the kingdom. In the parable Satan's children are tares. In actuality...they are his literal seed....children of the wicked one.

Please leave the parable and consider His explanation of the parable. In the parable we are wheat. In actuality we are the children of the kingdom. In the parable Satan's children are tares. In actuality...they are his literal seed....children of the wicked one.

That is a good idea. Your explanation right there is as far as the parable was meant to be taken.
But you are taking it beyond the written word to suggest that the seeds are also sperm.

Okay. Enough has been said.

Is that a concession I read?

No my friend It is saying enough has been said. We have reached an impasse and neither mind is changed.

So why do you choose not to change your mind?

There is nothing in the parable or its explaination that Jesus indicated anything about anyone's sperm, is there?

This Word "tares" in the Greek is "zizanion", and not "darnel". It is a plant in Palestine known today as "zewan". When Zewan is growing it looks like wheat, but when it is full grown the ears are long, and the grains inside are almost black. To make the wheat grain fit for grinding, each grain of zewan must be removed, or the bread is bitter and poisonous.

The wheat and the zewan are the same color when first coming up, then as the wheat turns golden and ripens, the zewan also ripens into it's poison grain, and shows it's true colors. While the wheat is golden ripe, the black bitterness of the fruits of zwan make it obvious of the mixture.

Don't lose the focus of this verse. This is a parable of a man that had a field, and in verse twenty four we see that man sowed "good seed". But while he was resting from his hard days labor, some enemy came along and sowed bad seed.

In this part of the parable, the term for the seed changes, as the seed in the first parables referred to the Word of God, the "seed" in the parable here is "Sperma" in the Greek. Refer to Strong's Greek dictionary # 4690; "Sperma; from 4687, something sown, i.e. seed, the male "sperm", the offspring."

So as we continue in this parable, we are not to spiritualize away something that happened, and is hidden; however Jesus is revealing this hidden event through the use of this parable.




the Greek says it means sperm......Christ said the seeds are children,,,children come from sperm,,,,kinda easy no?????

Assuming that the Greek word for seed changes in the parable, Jesus still did not say anything about sperm and children being born, etc. The word changed maybe because the second word for seed means "something sown." That is the only reason there is a different word. It is meant to contrast specifically the seeds that are being sown and planted from the seeds in general, isn't it?


So as we continue in this parable, we are not to spiritualize away something that happened, and is hidden; however Jesus is revealing this hidden event through the use of this parable.

This is what I mean by saying that you are adding to the word of God. Sorry to burst your bubble and be a party pooper and ruin all the exitement over the "hidden revelation" that y'all think you have but the Bible seriously does not say what you just wrote there.
Jesus never said that there was a deeper and fuller meaning to the parable other than what he clearly explained.
Why can't you humble yourself and look at this for another perspective and learn something?

I see your using words like "Assuming" and "Maybe"......

Christ said Children of satan.........Now what do you think children means??????

And Jesus did say there was deeper meaning to the parables.......

Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

Matthew 13:13
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.



This is what you said Eli:::::Jesus never said that there was a deeper and fuller meaning to the parable other than what he clearly explained.

Now this is what the bible says:::::

Matthew 13:35
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

So you see (hopefully) you are wrong about parables revealing secrets/deeper meanings.......

No, You are totally wrong.

I said that the parables have no deeper meanings OTHER THAN WHAT JESUS EXPLAINED THEM TO MEAN. Your serpent seed teaching is not what Jesus said that the parable meant. I am completely aware that parables have a hidden meaning. The hidden interpretations are usually explained by Jesus to the disciples after he spoke the parable. The parable of the wheat and the tares was explained immediatley after it was spoken. Nothing is still secret or hidden with double meanings in the parable any longer.

Why can't you see this? The serpent seed teaching is SIMPLY NOT THERE IN THE PARABLE OF THE WHEAT AND THE TARES.

I choose not to because I know what is being taught.

In the parable it is seed...as the seed of wheat and weeds...tares. When it is no longer a parable, when Christ Himself is telling His disciples what is literally meant then the seed is sperm...offspring.




No, it isn't. And, there is no need to "assume" that the word changes...it does. The difference being shown is that there are literal children of Satan walking the earth today....they are the scorpions. They are of the "synagogue of Satan."

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But Eli....He did explain it. He didn't spiritualize it. It is written.

So ELI what does the word "seed" mean here?????

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy "seed" and her "seed";?????????

lets look at the "SEED" of the woman first,,,,,,,,,,,,Are you willing to say this is not referring to her children and a literal Christ.......careful now....

Don't dodge the issue, NM.

You are completely changing the subject.

NM, What is it that is causing you to ask these questions?

And NO, the 'seed' in the verse you cite does not mean Christ, but it does her children. Just because the bible tells you that Christ was born of a woman does not tell you it was her seed. Christ was not a seed that was planted. He already existed from the begining. Christ was the tree and He was hung on that tree. Now, go figure that one out!

Well if you answer the question,,,,then I can show you why im not changing the subject......Its a very simple question.....

No, my friend. The subject is the parable of the wheat and the tares, not Gen 3:15. You are the one who needs to answer the questions, not me.

Exactly what did Jesus say that leads you to believe that the parable of the wheat and the tares is talking about sperm and not seeds? The fact that the word for sperm and seed are the same Grek word is not evidence. Give me something that Jesus explained inthe explaination of the parable to prove what was said.

So who is the seed that would crush the serpents head,,,is it you,,,is it me,,,,or is it Christ like I said.....Christ came from Eve,,,now of course Christ existed long before Eve but thats not what im talking about.....Christ is the seed of the woman Eve,,,,it would be the family of Eve that would lead to the birth of Christ......

So my question is --- is the seed of the woman literal?????,,,,you seem to agree with me in saying that its children.......

I ask questions to get answers........You believe the seed of the woman is literal right?????

Indeed it is,,,,,, but we seem to have a problem concluding what "SEED" means.......How about giving it a shot and answering the question,,,I guarantee it will lead right back to the parable of the tares,,,,but your err might be seen if you answer,,,,guess its a chance you gotta take....or not....

I just came across this.....

Malachi 3:15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, THEY THAT WORK WICKEDNESS ARE SET UP; they that tempt God are even delivered.

Who are "they?" How were they "set up?"

No, it is not. How about we stay on topic and you show me exactly what Jesus said in the explaination of the parable of the wheat and tares leads you to believe that Jesus was talking about sperm.

Eli, when you get to Matthew 13:36....it is no longer in parable form. When He explains what the parable meant, the meat of the parable, the truth of the parable, the literal interpretation of the parable....it is literal offspring...no longer wheat and tares but children.

You are suppose to use the entire bible,,,,,but whatever Christ made sure we would have the correct wording for proving our case.....

Matthew 13:24 "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:"
Matthew 13:25 "But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way."

Now that is the parable ELI.....Christ knew people (and one could say you) would not understand this,,,,So he told you flat out,,,,no parable no mysteries no revelation just freaking flat out truth....Thia is what he said::::

Matthew 13:38 "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;"

Now this aint no parable any longer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just the facts,,,and the fact are the "TARES" and the "SEED" are children.........

Christ told you there children get that thru your head ,,,,children children children !!!!!

No do you know how children are made???????????From sperm ELI sperm.......now please tell me how children get here,,,,how are children born??????

So if you would have answered my question pertaining to Genesis 3:15 you would see that God put enmity between the
seed/children of Eve and the seed/children of satan,,,,,and then you see that enmity/hatred as the son of the devil killed the son of Adam and Eve....excuse me Murdered....

but why am i hearing from proffessing christians when god was talking to cain he was realy talking to cain when i say talking like i would be having a normal conversation with my son we have face to Face contac

all it says is god was talking with cain it does not say god shows him self to cain puls cain up and then ascends back to heaven

that is why i put what i put in whirlwinds post seeing if i get an honest answer or some one saying what i have been hearing


like this when jesus picked the 12 jesus said if you follow me if you believe in me if you are willing to give your life up for me i wil protect the sperm growing in the mother womb the sperm wil have more rights then the mother and if the mother ends the sperms life that is growing in her i wil end her life and send her to hell


i did not see jesus doing what i hear in this forum i did not see jesus placing pics like Eli placed in an old topic that is dead yet what amazes me what people look for in a leader and if they like what the leader has to say he has one them over

all we have is what our bibles we read from tell us we dont have pics were you see god standing before cain pulling him up as a police officer would give you a speeding ticket but proffessing christians who i have ran into wil say what i am leaving


yes i am aware that moses was a murderer so was paul and i know why god put his hand over moses as he passed were he was standing why do you need to lie to put fear in your hearers if we have only what the bible tells us ?





Damo

I wondered about that too Damo.

Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of Jehovah God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of Jehovah God amongst the trees of the garden.

So they hid from his Presence

Gen 3:9 And Jehovah God called to the man and said to him, Where are you?
Gen 3:10 And he said, I have heard Your sound in the garden, and I was afraid, for I am naked, and I hid myself.
Gen 3:11 And He said, Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?

I don't think it ever says that they actually saw him. Notice the Lord says "Where are you?"

Of course, then we have this:

Gen 3:21 And Jehovah God made coats of skin for the man and his wife, and clothed them.

Did God literally put that skin on them? He'd have to be pretty close to them if he Did! Lol.