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crownsevenalphabet
HITLER WAS A JEW ?


Is this true or false ?
crownsevenalphabet
ROUND #1 OF #12 ------------- KNOCK-OUT FIGHT/NON-STOP ACTION



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John P. :

First, I like your strong destructive opinions.

The warrior in you, ignites the warrior in me.

In saying that, you are wrong to DEBATE Lois on a NON-DEBATE topic, you started :


Daily Spouters, but will not personally discuss/debate
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...25592&st=12



You are an example, you are an anointed of the Lord !

AND I WOULD LIKE YOUR TESTIMONY ADDED, TO HELP THE DAUGHTER'S :
http://daughtersofgodprayerclothmission.bl...tories-men.html




ACT like it.

And admit at this moment in writing, a public apology toward the defamation of Lois.

And ask her to join you in the debate section, to properly under forum rules, debate the differences
of opinion.

COULD YOU set this example ? Yes, I believe your heart will do so.



The internet is full of the HITLER JEW, theme. ( as I have posted below )

Use this to start the DEBATE topic, other's will join, I am sure . . .


I love you, John.

And I admire you. I will admire you more in the Name of our Messiah, to be the leader in your
masculine calling unto our brethren. LOIS, is part of the brethren.

THANK YOU !


EXCERPT TO START OFF THE FIRST ROUND OF ACTION :
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3347309,00.html

Iran: Hitler was a Jew


Advisor to President Ahmadinejad claims Nazi leader was Jew who conspired with USSR and Britain to establish Jewish state

Dudi Goldman Published: 01.02.07, 09:50 / Israel News





Just when you thought the Iranian leadership could stoop no further: MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute) reported that a top advisor to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad claimed in an interview with Iranian website Baztab that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's parents were both Jewish and that Hitler himself was one of the founders of the State of Israel.


In the interview, translated by MEMRI, Mohammad-Ali Ramin, a chief aide to Ahmadinejad, told Baztab that Hitler's paternal grandmother was a Jewish prostitute and his father even kept his Jewish name until finally changing it to Hitler when he was 40.

Ramin also claimed that the reason Hitler developed such an aversion to Judaism was because his Jewish mother was a promiscuous woman. Hitler therefore, says Ramin, tried to escape his religion.




Ramin cites a 1974 book by Hennecke Kardel titled 'Adolf Hitler: Founder of Israel', which alleges that Hitler strived to create a Jewish state as a result of being influenced by his Jewish relatives and his cooperation with Britain – which also wanted to drive the Jews out of Europe.



Ramin claims in the interview that Hitler both identified with his Judaism and was disgusted by it. It is these ambivalent feelings, said Ramin, that formed the basis for his treatment of Jews.

According to Ramin on the one hand Hitler's relatives and the friends who brought him to power, as well as his mistresses and personal physician, were all Jewish.

On the other hand he welcomed the expulsion of ambitious and influential Jews from Europe to the British Mandate of Palestine
Neal
Right, so there were rumors that Hitler may have been 1/4th Jewish, and that was enough for him to conceal his records.
Neal
I made a post in the vote thread about Hitler being 1/4th Jewish and was requested to post here.

We do not know whom Hitler's paternal grandfather is.

Some copy and pastes from Wikipedia:

Hitler's paternal grandfather was most likely one of the brothers Johann Georg Hiedler or Johann Nepomuk Hiedler. There were rumors that Hitler was one-quarter Jewish and that his grandmother, Maria Schicklgruber, became pregnant while working as a servant in a Jewish household.

Historians have discussed three candidates for the father of Alois (Hitler's mother):

Johann Georg Hiedler, who in his lifetime was the stepfather and later legally declared as the birth father.
Johann Nepomuk Hiedler, Georg's brother and Alois's step-uncle, who raised Alois through adolescence and later willed him a considerable portion of his life savings but who (if he was the real father) never found it expedient to admit it publicly.
Leopold Frankenberger, claimed by Hans Frank to have fathered Alois when his mother Maria worked in the Frankenberger house as a maid in Graz, Austria.

And 1 of the above is Jewish.
crownsevenalphabet
I AM COPY PASTING POST#34 FROM : VOTE, topic




(quote, John Prewett )

I have no good reason to think he did, but

WHAT IF Hitler had some "Jewish blood" ?

Imagine a Jewish family that can trace its Jewish identity back to Solomons temple.

Pure Jewish blood all the way back.

This imaginary family has a baby around 1900 AD. Pure blooded Jewish baby.

Imagine this baby is kidnapped and raised in a Roman Catholic home.

Imagine this person growing up as a Roman Catholic, considering himself a Roman Catholic

and all his life being immersed in Roman Catholic culture. Like in Austria, for instance.

Roman Catholic culture when "perfidious Jew" was in official RC liturgy. [took out in early 60's]

Also aware of former RC priest Martin Luther's ranting against Jews.

Imagine this baby growing up and becomeing a dictator and ordering the killing of Jews.

Would you say this imaginary person was a Jew ?

or

Would you say this person was a Roman Catholic ?

The most prolific poster of this forum wrote: "Hitler was a Jew"

I consider the "H.w.a.Jew" lie to be on the same level as the "holocaust did not happen" lie.

The most prolific poster on this forum has posted over 10,000 post in a little less than 3 years.

Many long post. Right wing "christian" POV. Like the POV of Pat Buchanan, for instance.

Such a person does not "accidently" or "unwittingly" write "Hitler was a Jew"

Such a person is on the same level as those that deny the holocaust ever happened.

In a few years some will probably claim the Inqusitions was actually "heretics" burning RCs at the stake.

And a flock of air heads will say they don't know one way or the other. Nor care.

When Lois Faith retracts her "Hitler was a Jew" claim, then I will retract my "Lois Faith is a liar" claim.

This post has been edited by John Prewett: Today, 08:34 AM
crownsevenalphabet
Was Hitler Jewish?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rmXINTMRvQ
Jack777
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Nov 14 2008, 03:49 AM) *


I do not have knowledge about Hitler that cannot be found out, but have read a lot. It is disputable and honestly so whether Hitler was descended from one of the 12 Tribes of Israel. A great deal was known about Hitler before WWII broke out. Our espionage people gathered information on him. The general public had some idea about him before WWII but were not quite as interested enough to read Mein Kampf even though it was available and a best seller. Psychologists and such who would be termed profilers today in common parlance thought part of his issues might be tied up with the fact he was possibly a Jew in part. I lean toward that being true based on what I have read. The Psychopathic God seemed to give a very good profile. A huge amount of research was done into what Hitler was like and what his familial situation was, including ancestory. He truly was a Roman Catholic, though not one who went along with the tenets in practice. He was an amateur occultist and voraciously read things of that nature. I remember reading about him on a cold and snowy day standing at his brother's funeral with only the priest there. His Mom was not there and I think something twisted inside of him. Truly a tragic scene of a little boy really with no one there at a time he needed someone most. He got a great deal of help from a Jewish guy later. Oddly that made him contemptuous of Jews. Maybe his homosexual and sexual pervertedness developed at this time. These things help mask the answer. They help clarify as well. An enigma.
Latter Rain Adam
I don't think it is anti-semitic to suggest that Hitler may possibly have been 1/4 Jewish. The evidence is scetchy, but not entirely dismissable. If it is true, than he is what the Nazis dubbed a "Mischling of the second degree," or a second rate, mixed breed Jew/Gentile. Hitler would have been executed by his own regime if he was not the Fuhrer. Hitler was a liar extraordinaire. It would be completely in line with his personality and character for him to try and hide his Jewish ancestry. The Jewish people have produced many great men and women throughout history. Many Jews were great men like Jesus, Paul, all the Biblical apostles and prophets, Albert Einstein, Freud, etc, etc. The Jews have also produced some notorious personalities like Manassah, Judas, Karl Marx, Ahab, Baruch Goldstein, etc. If Hitler did have any Jewish ancwestory, it would not change anything. Hitler was a human man, like all Jewish men. It is in the nature of fallen humans to have the potential for the greatest of evils, as Hitler was a prime example. If he was Jewish (and that only by 1-4), he was more of a Gentile than a Jew by percentage. It is not beyond the potential of any man, and Jewish people are no exeption, to become a mass murderer.
Guardian Of Centurian
The truth spoken Hitler was raised jewish in his early years and later seperated after discovering he was bi sexual and believed it was the jew in himself which made him like this, he then set path to irradicate the entire jewish population to attempt to fix himself
Adeline
QUOTE (Guardian Of Centurian @ Nov 14 2008, 11:28 AM) *
The truth spoken Hitler was raised jewish in his early years and later seperated after discovering he was bi sexual and believed it was the jew in himself which made him like this, he then set path to irradicate the entire jewish population to attempt to fix himself



Would you mind offering a link or some other evidence that does historically speak truth instead of speculation?

Although it is possible that Hitler did have some Jewish blood running though him (Who Hitlers grandfather was is a mystery) by all historical accounts Hitler was raised a Catholic.

Gods Blessings,

Al
Adeline
An article some may wish to read on the ancestory of Hitler:

http://history1900s.about.com/od/hitlerado...lerancestry.htm
Vissarion
QUOTE (Adeline @ Nov 14 2008, 09:59 AM) *
QUOTE (Guardian Of Centurian @ Nov 14 2008, 11:28 AM) *
The truth spoken Hitler was raised jewish in his early years and later seperated after discovering he was bi sexual and believed it was the jew in himself which made him like this, he then set path to irradicate the entire jewish population to attempt to fix himself



Would you mind offering a link or some other evidence that does historically speak truth instead of speculation?

Although it is possible that Hitler did have some Jewish blood running though him (Who Hitlers grandfather was is a mystery) by all historical accounts Hitler was raised a Catholic.

Gods Blessings,

Al



I can help out a bit here.
My forum name indicates a, no doubt, unhealthy preoccupation with 20th century dictators.

Adeline is correct. Hitler was raised in a Catholic home, which isn't surprising considering that he was Austrian.

On Hitler's hatred towards the Jews there is no consensus among historians why this was so.

My own two cents point towards the centuries of Jew-hating as propagated by the Catholic church.
The Vatican, in its newspaper, continued the ridiculous accusation of the Blood Libel as late as the early 20th century.

Young Adolf, although a bit of a loud-mouth, wasn't a particular fear-inspiring person, nor did he seem overly hostile or bitter.

We shouldn't forget that he served (with honor) as a dispatch-runner in the trench warfare of WW1.
Most of you will have an idea of the horrors that he experienced. For one thing, he arrived at the Western Front when the first battle of Ypres was about to start.

War breeds war and it can turn a romantically inclined, lonely and insecure man into a monster, but this is just conjecture.

What always struck me as significant was that he and his Eastern counterpart Mr. Stalin never had a social life.

Men without women seem more inclined to become violent, callous, capricious and hostile.

V.

damo7
you wil have to do some digging as i notice the links and sites on hitler when it comes to the inter net and what it has to offer us are not to be trusted

the reason i am saying this is due to what is said about what happend in Yugoslavia i am croation i did a lot of digging for my own personal use due to what our history teachers teach in schools today i never agreed with what the history teacher had to say concerning what happend in yugoslavia and the cold war

so when you try to dig up on hitler and why he hated the jews you only get given what the author of the site has dug up for him self


a lot of the truth has not been told when it comes to was hitler a jew from what i know when he was a boy he asked for help from the jews and he got no help and this is how his hatred towards the jews grew

we helped out sevral jewish familys my mums father who is my second grandfather as i have two grand fathers and two grand mothers my mums dad and the men in our village shot and killed sevral ss soldiers they were going threw our villages calling up for support and saying if you hear or no of any jews that are hidding in your villages you wil be rewarded

a lot of countrys offered aid for the ones who could get out yet for the ones who could not get out and were cought by the german army could not escape the death chambers or the concentration camps

it puzzles me to why i am hearing hittler was a jew just like what i am hearing hittler has catholic roots


a lot of his personal journals were destroyed i believe also some of his journals are hidden never to be found hitler made sure evidence of them doing this horrific thing would never surface but when word got out to what hitler was doing no one cared no one bothered to send in a powerful army to were they confront hitler i believe if a country acted and sent in there best men and other soldiers from around the world joined forces many jews could have been spared the death chamber the press was showing the world what hitler was doing to the jews but no one cared or bothered as i said to confront him and his army if a country did what i suggested he could have been captured were he did not invade other countrys hitler got to greedy and he thought he could rule other countrys that is were i feel his focus was lost

sadly this wil live with us and our next generation and then next generation making sure we never forget i know my son wl tel his kids about the truth concerning what happend in yugoslavia and i know his kids will do the same hitler wanted one race to rule the world and wanted one color to rule germany he did not want jews living in germany and getting ahead in life he saw how smart they were he took their possessions and made sure no jew lived to enjoy his hard earnt savings


this is what i know from my own digging and having friends and family members who saw this threw helps


this is all i know from my own research on hitler he asked for assistance some were in his blood line some one on his side could be a jew yet you need to keep digging

the reason i dug up to what happend in yugoslavia is simple my son is know being taught by his history teacher and i told him not to listen to his history teacher put what his history teacher and what the school is wanting you to learn to the side you have me i can tell you more compared to what the books the teacher has on the cold war in yugoslavia


i noticed this with what we were taught in the schools i found my self in we moved around a lot so i could not really settle in one school i had my dad and my mums father and her brother and my mother and her mother and i had my dads side i told my dad what the history teachers were teaching us concerning what happend in yugoslavia he said its rubish to what the history teacher is teaching us and he told me to put what the history teacher has to say to the side


what puzzles me i am only new yet i notice many say the inter net never lets you down anything you want to know its at your finger tips the sites can be trusted they wil not lead you astray and if people are saying this how come i am able to pick flaws by what the site owners have to say


they have done this too with our dark past not many australians know the ful reason to why the aborigonals were targeted by our white australian goverment the teachers are told to never tell the truth they are told to teach you to the way you were taught

i have learnt more from our aborigonal brothers and sisters compared to what the history teacher was saying to us i am european and i wanted to be told the truth i have a lot of aborigonal friends and if the truth was to come out white australians would not handle the truth


england took aborigonal land of our natural owners the true australians have not even got a proper embacy that is why they errected the tent city were the old australian parliment house is the land they set up their tents on belongs to them the australian fedral police force had no rights to kick them of their own land and stil to this day this goverment has not given our true Australians their own building were they can set up as their own embacy for their own people


you have the american embacy you have the german embacy you have the philippines embacy and other embacys in canberra but no embacy set up for our true australians in the broader world you have australian embacys but no true australian working in these embacys our true australians should be given the jobs white man has our true australians should be representing our country in these countrys our australian embacys are based

yet this wil never hapen the white australian goverment does not want the australian publick to know the truth


so when you try to get at the truth about hitler you hit a brick wall you dont know if the person is being honest al you have is what they have dug up for them selves


so be care full and dont believe everything you hear check out the source and ask the site owner to back his claims if he cant you know he has not got all the answers


cool.gif Damo cool.gif
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Adam Weishaupt @ Nov 14 2008, 08:14 AM) *
I don't think it is anti-semitic to suggest that Hitler may possibly have been 1/4 Jewish. The evidence is scetchy, but not entirely dismissable. If it is true, than he is what the Nazis dubbed a "Mischling of the second degree," or a second rate, mixed breed Jew/Gentile. Hitler would have been executed by his own regime if he was not the Fuhrer. Hitler was a liar extraordinaire. It would be completely in line with his personality and character for him to try and hide his Jewish ancestry. The Jewish people have produced many great men and women throughout history. Many Jews were great men like Jesus, Paul, all the Biblical apostles and prophets, Albert Einstein, Freud, etc, etc. The Jews have also produced some notorious personalities like Manassah, Judas, Karl Marx, Ahab, Baruch Goldstein, etc. If Hitler did have any Jewish ancwestory, it would not change anything. Hitler was a human man, like all Jewish men. It is in the nature of fallen humans to have the potential for the greatest of evils, as Hitler was a prime example. If he was Jewish (and that only by 1-4), he was more of a Gentile than a Jew by percentage. It is not beyond the potential of any man, and Jewish people are no exeption, to become a mass murderer.



Very Interesting !


http://www.hsse.nie.edu.sg/staff/blackburn/Hitlerclan.html


p.s.

After 7pm tonight, I will check back with forum !
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Vissarion @ Nov 14 2008, 02:17 PM) *
QUOTE (Adeline @ Nov 14 2008, 09:59 AM) *
QUOTE (Guardian Of Centurian @ Nov 14 2008, 11:28 AM) *
The truth spoken Hitler was raised jewish in his early years and later seperated after discovering he was bi sexual and believed it was the jew in himself which made him like this, he then set path to irradicate the entire jewish population to attempt to fix himself



Would you mind offering a link or some other evidence that does historically speak truth instead of speculation?

Although it is possible that Hitler did have some Jewish blood running though him (Who Hitlers grandfather was is a mystery) by all historical accounts Hitler was raised a Catholic.

Gods Blessings,

Al



I can help out a bit here.
My forum name indicates a, no doubt, unhealthy preoccupation with 20th century dictators.

Adeline is correct. Hitler was raised in a Catholic home, which isn't surprising considering that he was Austrian.

On Hitler's hatred towards the Jews there is no consensus among historians why this was so.

My own two cents point towards the centuries of Jew-hating as propagated by the Catholic church.
The Vatican, in its newspaper, continued the ridiculous accusation of the Blood Libel as late as the early 20th century.

Young Adolf, although a bit of a loud-mouth, wasn't a particular fear-inspiring person, nor did he seem overly hostile or bitter.

We shouldn't forget that he served (with honor) as a dispatch-runner in the trench warfare of WW1.
Most of you will have an idea of the horrors that he experienced. For one thing, he arrived at the Western Front when the first battle of Ypres was about to start.

War breeds war and it can turn a romantically inclined, lonely and insecure man into a monster, but this is just conjecture.

What always struck me as significant was that he and his Eastern counterpart Mr. Stalin never had a social life.

Men without women seem more inclined to become violent, callous, capricious and hostile.

V.



Very interesting, V :

And the key to your commentary, ' Men without women . . . ' reminded me of this excerpt
which no longer has active web link. ( a copy/paste from stored files of mine )

I am seeking more research about this subject, V.

Would you consider keeping this topic in mind, as time permits in your schedule ?


With Appreciation !

Betty
C7A

'Loving our darling, girl 'Wisdom' . . . the angel, Sophia !






Click here: VISUALLY SPEAKING

Simply put, the left side of your brain processes information presented in the form of numbers or words, while information displayed in images is primarily processed by the right side. The left hemisphere, for instance, knows you're five minutes late for class; the right one worries about the consequences and imagines what might be going on in your absence. Of course, the complexity of the brain, and the broad band of connecting fibers joining the two sides -- the corpus callosum -- keep this scenario from being as tidily cleaved as our description makes it sound. Nevertheless, numerous studies have confirmed this basic dichotomy.
The varied functions of the right and left sides of the brain also can be seen in terms of sexual duality. (To avoid becoming bogged down in disclaimers and qualifiers, I'll concentrate on right-handers, who make up about 90 percent of the population; no slight to you lefties is intended.) Every human is a psychic hermaphrodite, a composite of a feminine side and a masculine one. In general, the right hemisphere of both men and women is the seat of their feminine component, while the left hemisphere is the seat of their masculine side. Many of the modules in the brain necessary to care for preverbal children, for instance, are located in the right hemisphere; the strategy, planning, and cooperative aptitudes necessary to hunt and kill large animals (or make hostile-takeover bids on Wall Street) reside principally on the left side.
Vissarion
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Nov 16 2008, 02:43 AM) *
Very interesting, V :

And the key to your commentary, ' Men without women . . . ' reminded me of this excerpt
which no longer has active web link. ( a copy/paste from stored files of mine )

I am seeking more research about this subject, V.

Would you consider keeping this topic in mind, as time permits in your schedule ?


With Appreciation !

Betty
C7A


Sure Betty, but I don't think I can offer you anything but untested theories on this subject.
I remember reading about studies that seem to indicate that men become less violent when they are in a relationship.
A book by Hemingway: "Men without women" was also a good read, although fictional.

V.



crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Vissarion @ Nov 16 2008, 05:51 PM) *
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Nov 16 2008, 02:43 AM) *
Very interesting, V :

And the key to your commentary, ' Men without women . . . ' reminded me of this excerpt
which no longer has active web link. ( a copy/paste from stored files of mine )

I am seeking more research about this subject, V.

Would you consider keeping this topic in mind, as time permits in your schedule ?


With Appreciation !

Betty
C7A


Sure Betty, but I don't think I can offer you anything but untested theories on this subject.
I remember reading about studies that seem to indicate that men become less violent when they are in a relationship.
A book by Hemingway: "Men without women" was also a good read, although fictional.

V.




Thank you, V :


Here is what Hitler under therapy, would be considered . . . due to the mother/male
theme !





EXCERPT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna-whore_complex

In Freudian psychoanalysis, a Madonna-whore complex is a psychological complex that is said to develop in the human male. The term is also used popularly, often with subtly different meanings.

According to Freudian psychology, this complex often develops when the sufferer is raised by a cold and distant mother. Such a man will often court women with qualities of his mother, hoping to fulfill a need for intimacy unmet in childhood. Often, the wife begins to be seen as mother to the husband—a Madonna figure—and thus not a possible object of sexual attraction. For this reason, in the mind of the sufferer, love and sex cannot be mixed, and the man is reluctant to have sexual relations with his wife, for that, he thinks unconsciously, would be as incest. He will reserve sexuality for "bad" or "dirty" women, and will not develop "normal" feelings of love in these sexual relationships.

Popularly, the term is used to describe an unsatisfiable desire by a man to have his wife or other female partner exhibit both of these mutually exclusive traits. This introduces a dilemma where men may feel unable to love any women that can satisfy them sexually and are unable to be sexually satisfied by any women that they can love. Alternatively, the term is to describe or attempt to justify the behavior of men who pursue multiple women as a way of fulfilling each of these needs.
Adeline
QUOTE (Vissarion @ Nov 14 2008, 02:17 PM) *
QUOTE (Adeline @ Nov 14 2008, 09:59 AM) *
QUOTE (Guardian Of Centurian @ Nov 14 2008, 11:28 AM) *
The truth spoken Hitler was raised jewish in his early years and later seperated after discovering he was bi sexual and believed it was the jew in himself which made him like this, he then set path to irradicate the entire jewish population to attempt to fix himself



Would you mind offering a link or some other evidence that does historically speak truth instead of speculation?

Although it is possible that Hitler did have some Jewish blood running though him (Who Hitlers grandfather was is a mystery) by all historical accounts Hitler was raised a Catholic.

Gods Blessings,

Al



I can help out a bit here.
My forum name indicates a, no doubt, unhealthy preoccupation with 20th century dictators.

Adeline is correct. Hitler was raised in a Catholic home, which isn't surprising considering that he was Austrian.

On Hitler's hatred towards the Jews there is no consensus among historians why this was so.

My own two cents point towards the centuries of Jew-hating as propagated by the Catholic church.
The Vatican, in its newspaper, continued the ridiculous accusation of the Blood Libel as late as the early 20th century.

Young Adolf, although a bit of a loud-mouth, wasn't a particular fear-inspiring person, nor did he seem overly hostile or bitter.

We shouldn't forget that he served (with honor) as a dispatch-runner in the trench warfare of WW1.
Most of you will have an idea of the horrors that he experienced. For one thing, he arrived at the Western Front when the first battle of Ypres was about to start.

War breeds war and it can turn a romantically inclined, lonely and insecure man into a monster, but this is just conjecture.

What always struck me as significant was that he and his Eastern counterpart Mr. Stalin never had a social life.

Men without women seem more inclined to become violent, callous, capricious and hostile.

V.




Many have assumed that Hitlers rage and hatred towards the Jews were fueled by Martin Luthers writing's which sprewed such an intense hatred for the Jews. (It is kind of odd how our religious leaders attempt to quiet this fact. I remember contacting my Lutheran Pastor about this fact for this hatred in Luther really bothered me and yet he never contacted me back.) And yes, the Catholics did hate the Jews but my confusion lies in this fact: Didn't anyone ever consider that Christ was a Jew?

As V has posted his own untested theories which state men who do not have a woman become more hostile, allow me to post one of my thoughts and untested theories. HItler at a young age was artistic and his father was not supportive in this endeavor. (Through the years I have noticed that those folks artistic are more likely to become a suicidal/homosidal statistic. Could this have anything to do with the left hemisphere of the brain? But that is also just a theory.)

Also we need to remember that Hitler's father was a cruel man who would often beat Hitler with a switch/stick. It has also been suggested that Hitler's dad would beat the mother. Child abuse could also be responsible for such a cruel streak running through him. Or perhaps it was all the little factors that connected the dots which made Hitler the madman he was.

Gods Blessings,

Al
Neal
From Vissarion:

"Men without women seem more inclined to become violent, callous, capricious and hostile."

"I remember reading about studies that seem to indicate that men become less violent when they are in a relationship."

Bah, that's like saying I'm going to be more violent.

And how can you say that and use the Hitler was being beat or abused by his dad argument?

I would imagine that rapists do what they do, the effect on the relationship between the rapists and his mom has a big effect on it (that they don't get along).

There's a lot of Christian single men...

...That aren't violent.

Interesting enough, Hitler was a virgin, I bet, since he had only 1 testicle, and doesn't seemed to have done much with Eva Braun.
Neal
Oh yeah and how can you relate Hitler's hatred towards women to his hatred towards Jews?

Or say that there is no clear consensus thatled to his anti-Semitism? I thought there's a boat load of reasons (art school saga ring a bell?).

Or maybe you meant "there's no clear consensus on the total number of reasons that led to his anti-Semitism."
Adeline
Neal,

Just to set the record straight...it was I that posted about Hitlers abusive past. BTW- Everybody is accountable for their own actions and need to pay the consequences for those action.

It's odd how some folk can rise above their past circumstances and become successful while others do not have the inner strength to rise above their inner pain and turmoil.
raysondawn
Quote Al
"Many have assumed that Hitlers rage and hatred towards the Jews were fueled by Martin Luthers writing's which sprewed such an intense hatred for the Jews. (It is kind of odd how our religious leaders attempt to quiet this fact. I remember contacting my Lutheran Pastor about this fact for this hatred in Luther really bothered me and yet he never contacted me back.) And yes, the Catholics did hate the Jews but my confusion lies in this fact: Didn't anyone ever consider that Christ was a Jew?

As V has posted his own untested theories which state men who do not have a woman become more hostile, allow me to post one of my thoughts and untested theories. HItler at a young age was artistic and his father was not supportive in this endeavor. (Through the years I have noticed that those folks artistic are more likely to become a suicidal/homosidal statistic. Could this have anything to do with the left hemisphere of the brain? But that is also just a theory.)

Also we need to remember that Hitler's father was a cruel man who would often beat Hitler with a switch/stick. It has also been suggested that Hitler's dad would beat the mother. Child abuse could also be responsible for such a cruel streak running through him. Or perhaps it was all the little factors that connected the dots which made Hitler the madman he was".

Gods Blessings,

Al

Luther, who never renounced Rome or Catholicism, spewed his hatred and cursing toward the Mennonites (Menno Simons was a former priest) and Amish as well. As did Carlsdadt. Anyone who came out of the Catholic or accepted protestant fold in the 1500's and 1600's were heretics, cultic, and targets for persecution.
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (raysondawn @ Nov 17 2008, 01:28 PM) *
Quote Al
"Many have assumed that Hitlers rage and hatred towards the Jews were fueled by Martin Luthers writing's which sprewed such an intense hatred for the Jews. (It is kind of odd how our religious leaders attempt to quiet this fact. I remember contacting my Lutheran Pastor about this fact for this hatred in Luther really bothered me and yet he never contacted me back.) And yes, the Catholics did hate the Jews but my confusion lies in this fact: Didn't anyone ever consider that Christ was a Jew?

As V has posted his own untested theories which state men who do not have a woman become more hostile, allow me to post one of my thoughts and untested theories. HItler at a young age was artistic and his father was not supportive in this endeavor. (Through the years I have noticed that those folks artistic are more likely to become a suicidal/homosidal statistic. Could this have anything to do with the left hemisphere of the brain? But that is also just a theory.)

Also we need to remember that Hitler's father was a cruel man who would often beat Hitler with a switch/stick. It has also been suggested that Hitler's dad would beat the mother. Child abuse could also be responsible for such a cruel streak running through him. Or perhaps it was all the little factors that connected the dots which made Hitler the madman he was".

Gods Blessings,

Al

Luther, who never renounced Rome or Catholicism, spewed his hatred and cursing toward the Mennonites (Menno Simons was a former priest) and Amish as well. As did Carlsdadt. Anyone who came out of the Catholic or accepted protestant fold in the 1500's and 1600's were heretics, cultic, and targets for persecution.



Hello, raysondawn :


Have you read this ?



http://homoeconomicusnet.wordpress.com/200...sor-and-hitler/


Rabbi, the Professor and Hitler

And now you would add to this infamy by comparing me to Hitler? Really Richard, I mean no disrespect and once knew you to be a very genial and decent man, but Hitler? Have you lost your mind? Your loathsome comment brings you, Oxford University, and Charles Simonyi who endowed your chair into disrepute and you should issue an immediate apology.
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QUOTE (Adeline @ Nov 17 2008, 05:42 AM) *
Also we need to remember that Hitler's father was a cruel man who would often beat Hitler with a switch/stick. It has also been suggested that Hitler's dad would beat the mother. Child abuse could also be responsible for such a cruel streak running through him. Or perhaps it was all the little factors that connected the dots which made Hitler the madman he was.

Gods Blessings,

Al



More untested theories coming your way, but isn't it fun to just speculate for a while?

Adeline's point about children being abused and later becoming unpleasant adults seems to me to be the best answer to explain all this violent behavior although, since humans are such complicated creatures, I am sure other factors play into this as well.

Little Joseph Stalin had a violent drunk for a dad and he regularly got the crap kicked out of him and, perhaps worse, he watched his mother being beaten-up by this man.

If you read about the sordid career of Stalin as an adult it seems clear that he thought of the world around him as an enemy to be fought, defeated and killed.
The dogmas of fascism and communism appear to be constructs that tyrants use to vent their discontent.

Experience always trumps theory, in my opinion.

Humans are totally helpless and dependent as infants and if the one person in your little world whom you turn to for protection and comfort is hostile towards you it shouldn't come as a surprise that problems arise later in life.

People, like all the other critters are survival machines.
We excel at adapting to the world we are born in.
Unfortunately, this also means that if a person grows up in a hostile situation, he/she will tend to be convinced that the entire world is like this.

V.




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Hitler's grandmother (Maria) was a Catholic of peasant stock. She was a Schickelgruber when Alois was born, since that was her maiden name. As an unwed mother (father not identified), her son Alois was baptized as a Schickelgruber. Maria later married a Heidler (Hitler), but Alois was raised by that man's brother as his own son. When Alois was baptized, as a Schickelgruber, a Jew did stand as his god-father (Trammelschlager), but this was a neighbor of the Schickelgruber's farm whose wife had been the mid-wife at Alois? birth; and not uncommon.

The name change from Schickelgruber to Heidler (Hitler) was illegal, as done, since it was instigated after both the mother (Maria) and named father (Heidler) were deceased. The priest who did the "alteration" on the baptismal certificate knew full well it was illegal, and perhaps altered the name to protect his parish (and himself). It remains unclear as to why Alois had his own name changed, since the Heidler family were far from outstanding in the prosperity department. However, becoming "legitimized" may have been more important to an "up and comer" in the Customs department. He had married the barren daughter of his boss as a Schickelgruber, and his second and third wives as Hitler. Both Francesca and Klara were married to Alois Sr. as a Hitler, who fathered Alois is and will remain a mystery. Maria Heidler ne Schickelgruber took that information to her grave.

Hitler's father and mother were both practicing Catholics, and his mother Klara was from a Catholic farming family which had been in place for centuries. His father Alois was directly of peasant farming stock, and Catholic.

Of course this made Alois Sr. illegitimate, but nearly 49% of all live births in the area where his mother's (Maria) family farmed were out of wedlock. So that wasn't that unusual. The man who later "adopted" him, did so after both his mother and the man who was named as the father had died. That man was a traveling miller (or carpenter, I've heard both), who was also Catholic. That tale of Hitler's Jewishness was started back in the '20s when he was having a battle in the Party for control. It was later re-told by Frank at the Nuremberg trials, and it grew from there. But it has been proven to be nothing but false rumor and made up stories to discredit his ancestry. It is ironic that it wasn't "Jewishness" he wished to hide, it was his father's illegitimate birth. That would have disqualified him as a "true" Aryan under his own race laws.

Read Werner Maser's work on Hitler's background and family tree. He pretty much shoots down the Jewish grandfather/mother story with records of who worked where, and which Jews owned which property in the area at the time of Alois' conception. The Hans Frank and Fritz Thyssen stories have been pretty well show to be false and self-serving.


His problem was that his father was born "out of wedlock", and baptised in a Catholic church with his un-married grandmother's maiden name (Schikelgruber), as was the practice of the time.

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Hitler Jewish?

Question
hello! i am a ninth grader and i have been reasearching the holocaust for three years now and i am very interested in it. i have a question. my english teacher told me that Hitlers grandmother was Jewish and i was wondering if he did to her what he did to her what he did to the other jewish people. thank you very much


Harry W. Mazal OBE answers:
I am one of the persons who responds to questions about the Holocaust. It is possible that you will receive answers from my other colleagues too.

Hitler's grandmother was not Jewish.

There are some rumors hinting that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Few, if any, of the reputable historians on the Holocaust believe that this is so. It is more likely that Hitler tried to keep the murky history of his family quite secret because there was a high incidence of insanity and feeble-mindedness in his ancestors.

Rumors die hard, though.

One of Hitler's henchmen, Hans Frank, declared during the Nuremberg Trials in 1945-46, that Hitler's grandmother had worked in the town of Graz as a servant in the home of a Jewish family named Frankenberger. He further claimed that she was seduced by the head of the household and that Hitler's grandfather was the result of that liaison.

A subsequent analysis of Frank's statement by Simon Wiesenthal disclosed that there was no evidence of any Jewish family named Frankenberger ever living in Graz. What is more, Jews had been driven out of Graz in the 15th century and had not been allowed to return until 1856, nearly twenty years after Hitler's grandfather had been born.

Hitler's grandmother's maiden name was Schickelgruber. There is considerable evidence that this family produced abnormal progeny. Examples are: one of Hitler's relatives through his mother's side committed suicide in 1920, another, Aloisha had been placed in an insane asylum, another was "feeble-minded," and yet another was retarded.

According to the article from which I am quoting this material:

"Hitler's real fear, then, was not that someone would discover that he has a Jewish grandfather, but that it would someday come to light that he carried a hereditary disposition toward mental illness and retardation."
You might ask your English teacher to go to a good library and see the following article:

"Hitler's Family Secret: A file recovered from the Nazi Archives tells of a Gestapo investigation into the Fuehrer's murky family history."
By: Ben S. Swearingen
Civilization: The Magazine of the Library of Congress Volume 2, Number 2, Arcg/April 1995, pp. 54-55
Harry W. Mazal OBE


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