--Elijah here with some verses to counter/act the false teaching that we are hearing about the land of Israel.

Isaiah 5

[1] Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:


[2] And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.[/size]
[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.
[4] What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?
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[5] And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:


[6] And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.


[7] For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the {{house}} of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.(True Virgin FOLD in DOCTRINAL teachings! Compare Matt. 23:1-2)
Isaiah 9

[14] Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.



[15] The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.(Got that?? The Leadership is not the 'Remnant! The Church stayed put and was to be 'forever' cut off! The 'Remnat were to go [OUT] to Meet Christ! (which they did!) Matt. 25:6 & bid 10-12)

[16] For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.'(Again: The New Church LEFT! And the old DESOLATE FOLD of Israel STAYED PUT! Got that?? The Rev. 18:4 Truth has always been Truth!! A Christ/less fold or church has a 'new leader', satan immediately takes over and they become the 'Synagogue of satan'! Rev. 3:9, see Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 for pre/Eternal Gospel.)


[17] Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.(there were still ones in the fold who in time were would accept Christ as seen also in the the Abomination of the Earth ones of Rev. 17:5, who must LEAVE! Or they would be destroyed in the 70 AD slaughter! See Ezekiel 9. These babes would leave when & 'IF' they were sincere in heart when they understood the Truth! One such one was the Blind man that Christ healed.)

Another Prophesied fact is seen in Jeremiah 16:9 'For thus saith the LORD OF HOSTS, the GOD OF ISRAEL; Behold, [I WILL CAUSE TO CEASE OUT OF THIS PLACE IN YOUR EYES, and in YOUR DAYS, THE VOICE OF MIRE, AND THE VOICE OF GLADNESS, and the VOICE OF THE BRIDGROOM, AND THE VOICE OF THE BRIDE].' (So: The once true Virgin fold stayed put & in pure doctine only, and is NOW BECOME CHRIST/less & satanic with a new leader. And a 'remnant' only followed Christ 'OUT' & the ones that followed Christ [OUT] became the New church of Acts! The fallen fold still possessed the LAND OF ISRAEL, and will do so until the New Jerusalem descends at the Second Coming of Christ. And we will see a 'Great counterfeit in old Israel by satan, to deceive the Very Elect, if it were possible! 2 Thess. 2:7-12!! This is where the last ANTI/CHRIST Will do satan's work from! And you can see the very ones of today doing satan's work of teaching deception on these very sites.

Take note again! Amos 5:1-2 'HEAR ye the WORD which I TAKE AGAINST YOU, even lamentation, [O HOUSE OF ISRAEL]. The [[[VIRGIN OF ISRAEL IS FALLEN; SHE SHALL NO MORE RISE: SHE IS FORSAKEN UPON HER LAND;]]] there [IS NONE TO RAISE HER UP]. (now notice a REMNANT)For thus saith the Lord GOD,; The city that went [OUT] by a thousand, shall leave a hundred, and that which went [forth] by an hundred shall leave ten, [TO THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL].' (notice the OUT & the Forth in Matt. 25:1 & verse 6.. the 'MIDNIGHT CRY!! and do not mistake this with the LOUD CRY of 70 AD's Slaughter! yet, the DOOR OF PROBATION WAS ALREADY SHUT for the 'FOLD' in ibid 10. Yet not for the sincere in/mature [INDIVIDUAL] ones as of yet, that would come 39 years ahead at 70 AD.)
The PROPHECY is FULL of this Truth! But 'i' will close for now with Micah 2: 10-13
[10] Arise ye, and depart; for this is not your rest: because it is polluted, it shall destroy you, even with a sore destruction.
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[11] If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people.[size="2"]
[12] I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men.

(yet, note that it says in the MIDST OF THEIR FOLD! And that this IS the REMNANT FEW which does this! It was these ones who Christ sent His disciples back to in the Matt. 10:5-6 verse to make up the nucleus starting of the NEW VIRGIN FOLD! See Rev. 2:5)

[13] The breaker is come up before them: they have broken up, and have passed through the gate, and are gone out by it: (compare 2 Thess. 2:1-3 for this FALLING AWAY!) and their king shall pass before them, and the LORD on the head of them.(and just so as not to lose you about the king?? Note Isa. 52:12 .. 'Depart ye, DEPART YE, go ye out hence, touch not no UNCLEAN Thing; [GO YE OUT OF THE MIDST OF HER;] (again see Rev. 18:4!!) be ye CLEAN, that bear the vessels of the Lord. For ye shall not GO OUT IN HASTE, nor by night, [FOR THE LORD WILL GO BEFORE YOU;] and the GOD OF ISRAEL WILL BE YOUR REWARD.]'
NO HASTE?? Why?? Because it takes time to be 'CONVICTED' of Truth, Rom. 8:14. It is urgent! yet, one must be 'LED OUT' BY THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADING! And these ones are not the Heb. 5: ones. These ones are the MATURE of Heb. 6:1-5. And at the END/TIME?? They are the ONES OF REV. 12:17

the bible predicts that the people Israel will be re-gathered back into the land Israel, in un-belief,,,,,,,,,,,and when Christ returns, they will see Him Physically, and then, they will believe in Jesus Christ, and be saved.

most Israelis , today, are atheists,,,,,,,,,,,they don't believe the OT nor the NT

so, a part of this PROPHECY is fulfilled before our eyes, today!

Hallelujah!, for Fulfilled Prophecy!

Ezekiel 37 tells us that dead Israel shall be resurrected from the dead.

The Israelites will believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, soon, and they will live (SPIRITUAL, RESURRECTION LIFE) again!

Praise God!

any Israelite , today, can believe and be saved, today!
Praise God!

"Elijah here with some verses to counter/act the false teaching that we are hearing about the land of Israel."

>E refutes the prophet Jeremiah [and the Lord Himself]

>His game is nothing more than anti-Semitic ranting .... and false teaching

>Exactly the opposite of what the scriptures teach .... devil speak for sure

Jeremiah
30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

30:4 And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

30:5 For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.

30:6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his [satan's] yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

30:10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

30:11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

30:12 For thus saith the LORD, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous.

30:13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines.

30:14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.

30:15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

30:16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.

30:17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.

30:18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

30:19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.

30:20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.

30:21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.

30:22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

30:23 Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

30:24 The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

I see that nearly everyone here is correct....well nearly everyone at least in part.

It is true that the Nation State called Israel, who has already shown their wrath against their own people by stealing their land so they could continue to negotiate with terrorists, will be greatly involved in the end time deception.
It is equally true that at least a small portion of those who reside in that place will be gathered in as the remnant.
Israel is a people of faith. Some of the natural branches and some of the wild. To this there is no disputing.
As Dennis has said "any israelite today can believe and be saved"
I agree with this qualification. An israelite in whom there is no guile whether he was born into Israel by genetics, or a stranger who has become Israel by faith and embracing the God of Jacob. People better get rid of their sin, pride, and iniquity or they will be manifest that
"not all who say they are Israel, are Israel" They too will be a part of the end time deception if they do not.

PS: And Eze. 37:1-14 IS the Exact Truth that takes place when Christ comes for the DEAD IN CHRIST, for they 'SHALL RISE FIRST! at His Second Coming! And the WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL are the ONES from Adam on to the End of earths Time period. Rom. 2:28-29, Acts 10:34, AND Gal. 3:28!

'There is NEITHER JEW OR GREEK, THERE IS NEITHER BOND OR FREE, There IS NEITHER MALE OR FEMALE, [FOR YE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS']

'IF' one is [IN CHRIST JESUS!] Rom. 8:1

One of the things I am continually amazed at is how the word "anti-semite" can only be applied to three out of the twelve tribes of Israel and how other semites such as Midianites, Edomites, Ishmalites, Ammonites, and Moabites are excluded as being semites though they too are descendents of Abraham or Shem from whence the word is derived. I just think this phrase is often narrowly applied. It has taken decades of conditioning to come to this place.

History is replete with accounts of severe persecution of Karites, Ebionites, Falasha, and Nazarites at the hand of "Jews" All of the afore mentioned people are in fact Jews in every respect both genetically and in practice true Hebrews. Pehaps even more so than the dispora that came into the Land in 1948. Yet, still today in Israel the Falasha are not allowed to marry other Jews or perform marriages as if they were living in pre- 1870 Confederate America or Hitlers Germany. Does anyone cry anti-semite over this atrocity? No. You wont even read about it in Harratz or in the Post.

The other thing I am amazed at is how christians identify themselves with a religion that was not even in existance in the days of either David or Jesus. "Judeo-Christian" I believe is the term. They will beat their chests and stand up for Israel when their own religious practices are so far removed from the faith of the Hebrews and even that of the Jews that it is truely double minded to say the least.
They holler "Israel is God's chosen people" and then wont even keep the day that the "chosen people" keep holy. They contradict the ones to whom supposedly "the oracles of God" were committed to. Then they will call anyone a judiazer for honoring what they themselves testify to as being the roots of their faith!

Tell me where does the madness stop?

Tell me where does the madness stop?

ME AGAIN! These Scriptures are ALL from God's Word. How about just sticking too what is from this Truth and forget attacking the post person?? Unless your posts are for the opposite of 2 Cor. 4:2, and are for jesuit rome, satanic purposes???

--Elijah

judaizers are not saved.........read Galatians

PS: It is not hard to locate MOST ALL the ones who have ALREADY DECIDED & then who they are in the 'spiritual bed with' on this site. One such poster rightly cal's this a marriage in God's Truth!

These ones of Rev. 17:1-5 need satan to try to answer prayers that God will not even hear! These one's NEED Caesar's power to do satans church persecuting, for they are ALL CHRISTLESS! (The WORD DOCUMENTS!)

And it is interesting how they want to hatfully void out the Godheads Eternal Covenant of Heb. 13:20, while they have always needed satans wicked 'law' power for the persecuting of the ones who do try to daily live by the only part of Their Eternal Gospel Word (Rev. 14:6) that was written in the entire book, the TEN COMMANDMENTS! Ex. 20 & Isa. 8:20 But what is NEW God asks? Nothing!

+.. you can also locate them by how they are 'openly' coming out of the closet to 'thumb their nose' at the God! But you can be sure as the verse states, that God WILL NOT HEAR THEM! Eze. 8:16-18 But there is one who will, huh! Rev. 3:9 & Gen. 4:7.

in Genesis, God gave the PROMISED LAND to the nation of Israel FOREVER,,,,,,with no conditions, restritions, requirements, etc

so, since that GIFT , Israel has owned the LAND continuously, to the present day, and beyond, infinitely,,,,,,,,whether we like it or not...........we must believe God, ,,,,,,,,,or perish in the Lake of Fire

there is a nation of Israel,,,,,,,,,she was resurrected from the dead in 1948,,,,,,,,as predicted by God's Holy Word

i choose to believe God

Hallelujah!

What is the Promised Land? Is it the physical land of the Middle East or.....eternity? To the chosen of history it was the land of Israel. To God's children the promised land is to be with Him....forever. But, until that time everything seems to be centered around that one geographical location.

to the christian,,,,,,,,,,our PROMISED LAND is Christ Himself............the Chrurch was never given a physical parcel of land.............our Treasures are SPIRITUAL.........CHRIST HIMSELF!

the LAND is a SHADOW of the SUBSTANCE (christ himself).........collossians 2;16

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to the non-christian Jew,,,,,,,,,,,the PROMISED LAND is a physical land,,,,,,,,,with defined boundaries,,,,,,,,described in the Bible,,,,,,,,and the non-christian jew (who survives the Trib) will serve Christ in that PHYSICAL LAND in the Mill Reign

Christ will soon return BODILY!..........to the PROMISED LAND!............and rule from PHYSICAL JERUSALEM!. ...... .....surrounded by his brethren-in-the-flesh (Jews).............and rule the world for 1000 years with a rod of iron

so, the LAND is both physical and spiritual.............depending on who ***YOU*** are