I just realized my math was wrong the other day, and I'm somewhat embarassed. But anyway there is a three and a half year period between 2009 and 2012 when I count the period as follows

1/2 year, Jun - Dec 2009
1 year, Jan - Dec 2010
1 year, Jan - Dec 2011
1 year, Jan - Dec 2012
---------------------------
Equals 3 1/2 years

Hi HB,

So what's your point? Are you speculating that the tribulation period may begin sometime in June of 2009? If not....then what are you trying to say?

God's Blessings!!

Rob

HB,
What thread was this originally discussed in? I'd like to run off and read it . . . Your timeline looks about like the one in my head. Sounds good to me! !
Debbie

Was up humble,,,

Do you believe this time has been chnged because of this???????::::

Matthew 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mark 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Matt.24
[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mark.13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Greetings all. I'll explain myself on this. First I want to restate my belief in Christ that He is the ultimate architech to the events of all things that happens, and for His good purpose, and that I rely upon His Word, be it from scripture and or what I believe are personal inspirations or revelation I pray are from the Holy Spirit.

Now, I also believe I'm to keep a look out, a watch of things that are happening (most Christians believe the same as I think Christians are instructed to do so), it's like the fig tree parable that Christ had spoke of. However, I look at a variety of sources, the trick is not to get so wrapped up in the one thing that I loose sight of God's Word.

My approach in the past several years since 2005 is to take the Word of God and mark it to the events that happen. The biggest one for me is the recent economic crisis that seems to align precisely with the timing of things and how I understand scripture. I also look at other sources to consider as well, for one, much of the popular generalities and lore about 2012.

Now I'm not saying that 2012 is the end, because who really knows except God, but it is a simple matter to consider it and then to count back from that year and arrive at midway 2009. Then it's also a simple matter to say "okay let's see what happens." Each time I've taken this view point I'm suprised to see it come true. I think how God is an awesome God and sometimes I'm a bit fearful, but I trust the Lord.

For example I had a feeling of dread (and some elation) when Obama had won the election. But, I always thought his campaign logo looked more like a nuclear blast than a sun rising over America.

I think midway in 2009 will be the beginning of the tribulation.

Somethings I look for as news events that can confirm my feelings will be for example how Israel will respond to the Iran threat and how Obama's foriegn policy is perceived. Right now I have my sights on January 2009 to see IF Israel attacks Iran.

If it does, watch out. I believe Iran will retaliate but not immediately, and they will include the US in part of their retaliation perhaps midway in 2009 and at the heart of this country.

Some of this stuff I get from reading the others who post here, for example someone posted a dream or a vision about a nuke going off over a wheat field.

I don't do date setting, out of I hope is respect for God's Word

I hardly put something to thought about a topic until something happens to flag my attention (for example I don't think I ever posted about the 3 1/2 years untill now, and I'm no expert on it, or Daniel's prophecies)

I never get the full picture but see bits and pieces fall into place

Basically, I feel if Israel attacks, I think I have about six months to prepare for the next three and a half years.

Love HB

Dear Humble Bob..

What are you preparing for.. or maybe I should ask.. how are you preparing?
I have posted this elsewhere but will post it again, because, if I were speaking to
you face to face it's exactly what I would say

I had been asking the Lord to give me a book.. something! that I could give to
my loved ones and friends who "believe in God" .. but yet.. well.. ?

One day.. as I was going to a specific store for a gift, right next door was a
new 1/2 Price Books store, which i had never been to. Since books are one of
my favorite things.. of course, I had to stop.

Right outside, there were a few racks of books .. and of course, i went directly
to the "religion" section..

There was a book by David Wilkerson, (of whom I'd heard the name, but knew
little about) .. it is called .. God's Plan to Protect His People in the Coming Depression
.. WOW! I thought.. and of course, i read the back cover.. and clutched the book
to me feeling that I had found a gold mine! (It was the ONLY one there)
Imagine this, too! it only cost 50 cents!

When I started reading it, I was about 1/2 way thru the first chapter.. and
it hit me like a flash! THIS! is the book! that I had been praying for.

I went to order more online.. finding only one or two that were a reasonable
price (under 10.00) .. amazon had it used.. selling for $57+ (what's that tell ya?)

Well after more and more searching.. I found it at David Wilkerson's world challenge
website .. and the cost is $5.00

here is the link if you are interested

http://www.wilkersonpublications.com/Gods-...eople-P5C2.aspx

if you are looking for how to prepare physically.. monetarily.. it will be of little help..
it's a wonderful! book of how to prepare spiritually.. using the children of Isreal as
an example..

I think you will be much blessed by it!
My thoughts and prayers are with you!
Your Sister in His Faithful Name
Cheryl

Just more encouraging words


Resting in Jesus in Perilous Times
We are to listen carefully to biblical prophecies, but we are not to become obsessed with them.

by David Wilkerson | October 27, 2008

October 27, 2008
For years, I have been faithfully warning of a soon-to-come worldwide economic holocaust. Right now, we are seeing this coming to pass around the globe. I have warned that Christians are going to suffer, that there will be great loss and hardship, and already this is happening. Multitudes of precious saints all over the word are now enduring great financial and mental stress.

As awful as these things are, none of them should be the focus of our energies and ministry. Rather, we must continue proclaiming the love of God the Father and the tender mercy of our Savior Jesus for us.

I know the American lifestyle — indeed, the lifestyles of those in every prosperous nation — are about to change permanently. I know everything is reeling and shaking. But when I get up in the morning, I don’t worry, “What are we going to eat? What are we going to wear? What about heat, light, security?” Jesus warned us not to do that.

Instead, when I go to bed at night, I rest in my Father’s love. The fact is, I know I am not God and that he alone is in control of all these things. I simply do what the prophet Isaiah did: he put his mind to rest by fully trusting in his Lord. This prophet declared to believers in every age, “Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee” (Isaiah 26:3). God cannot lie.

Scripture makes it clear: we are to be alerted and warned by the prophetic messages delivered by godly watchmen. Likewise, we are to heed every prophetic message revealed and confirmed in Scripture. In short, we are to gather all the knowledge we can about the oncoming storms, so we can prepare our hearts for whatever we will face.

But we are not to let fear or anxiety consume our thinking, dominate our minds or take hold of our hearts. Darkness is certainly coming and judgment is at our very door. But as God’s people, we cannot allow any cloud of darkness to hide the great light of his promises of love and mercy toward his people. We must be well informed by God’s Word and his prophets, but we are not to dwell on prophetic knowledge so much that it takes over our lives.

The devil would love for this to happen. He knows he can’t get us to doubt the Lord’s Word concerning judgment, so he will attempt to take us to another extreme and drive us to a fearful obsession with perilous times.

Simply put, Satan wants to rob you of all hope by consuming you with foreboding thoughts. But you cannot figure out the future through being totally preoccupied with this. In reality, it can get you bogged down in fear and obsessing about frightful events.

The apostle Paul reassures us with this instruction: “Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things” (Philippians 4:8, my italics).

In other words: “You have heard all the warnings. Now, take heed to what God’s Word reveals and to what his watchmen are saying. And, finally, fix your thoughts on Jesus and his goodness.”

In a time when great judgments were falling on the nation all around him, Isaiah testified he had a double portion of peace.
The same wonderful outlook that Isaiah had in the perilous times of his day is available to us also. This promise of rest applies to “all whose minds are stayed on him.”

Isaiah was overwhelmed by what he saw happening in the world around him. But Scripture reveals he enjoyed great peace. How did he come into such a place of peace, with everything he saw? There were two reasons for it:

First, as judgments were poised to strike the nations, Isaiah was in constant communion with God in prayer. “Yea, in the way of thy judgments, O Lord, have we waited for thee; the desire of our soul is to thy name, and to the remembrance of thee” (Isaiah 26:8). Isaiah was prepared for anything because he was already “praying without ceasing.”

I must ask you: as the storm rages, are you going to the Lord in prayer, as Isaiah did? If you are, then you’re gaining strength, because your mind is becoming fixed on your sovereign heavenly Father’s love, and he is continually revealing his power to you and encouraging you that you’ll make it through.

It is not God’s will that any of his children face the perilous times ahead with paralyzing fear.
The Lord does not desire that biblical prophecies and warnings frighten us. Instead, here is Jesus’ heart on the matter, stated very plainly: “Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid” (John 14:27).

In Matthew’s Gospel, Jesus prophesied of world events to come that sounded frightful. He spoke of wars, pestilence, earthquakes in various places. And he warned his hearers, “You are going to be afflicted, and some of you will even be killed. Iniquity will abound. False prophets and messiahs shall arise deceiving many.”

Later in Matthew, Jesus explains his reasons for forewarning of these catastrophic events. He says he told us these things so we would believe in him when we saw them coming to pass.

Jesus wasn’t trying to put a burden of fear on us. Rather, he simply doesn’t want us to be surprised when we are hit by awful storms. He doesn’t want our faith to be shipwrecked when suddenly we face incredible suffering. Most of all, he wants us to believe there is a Lord over all these awful things, a Father who is loving enough to warn us about them and keep us through them all.

Isaiah preached hope in perilous times.
Isaiah was looking beyond all the things that were happening, toward a greater vision God had given him. In this vision, Isaiah saw the Lord coming to wipe away the tears of his children, remove their burdens and deliver them from all guilt and fear:

“It shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation… He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it” (Isaiah 25:9, 8).

Here is the second reason Isaiah had come into a place of peace despite all the upheaval around him. He was saying to us — indeed, to believers of every age — in effect: “You who live in the very last days can also have this double portion of peace. Abandon yourself to simple trust in the Lord, your Rock.”

“Trust ye in the Lord at all times: for in the Lord Jehovah is [your] everlasting strength” (26:4). “Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation” (12:2).

God does have a word of hope for this hour.
For many months, I have searched and studied the Scriptures, pleading with the Lord to give me a message of hope and encouragement for these hard times. My spirit has cried out, “Lord, please speak a word to my heart for your children, for you alone have the words of eternal life. Only you can speak a word of comfort to us in such times.”

The Holy Spirit answered my prayer, speaking the following to my heart: “I am going to give you a single promise from my Word. And if you will commit your very life to it, this word will keep you through any and all perilous times.”

Beloved, I know if we will especially embrace this one verse, fully believing it, it will be a daily power-source of faith. Here is the promise the Spirit showed me:

“YOUR FATHER KNOWETH WHAT THINGS YE HAVE NEED OF, BEFORE YE ASK HIM” (Matthew 6:8).

In Luke 12, Jesus enumerates the things he says our heavenly Father knows we need. Those needs are, in short, food, drink and clothing. “Therefore, I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on… If then God so clothe the grass, which is today in the field, and tomorrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?” (Luke 12:22, 28).

Jesus speaks of grass that is full and green today but tomorrow is cut down. He would have us remember he gave it life and care. We dare not think he cares for our needs less than for grass. He knows full well what we need, whether it is food, finances or clothes.

Jesus added, “All these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things” (12:30). Again Christ reminds us, “Here is all you need to know: your heavenly Father knows what your needs are. He has already enumerated them.”

My theme now is this: GOD KNOWS, AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.

God will never abandon his “little flock.”
Jesus promises, “Rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. Fear not, little flock” (Luke 12:31–32). If we will simply trust him, our Lord will bless us with all we need.

If you are concerned for your family’s welfare in the coming days, I have good news for you: Your children are God’s children. And he cares for your loved ones more than you do. Jesus knows exactly what you all need to survive.

HE KNOWS ABOUT YOUR NEED TO HAVE A ROOF OVER YOUR HEAD. HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT YOUR RENT BILL OR MORTGAGE PAYMENT IS EACH MONTH. HE KNOWS ABOUT THE MOUTHS YOU HAVE TO FEED AND THE AMOUNT OF FOOD IN YOUR CUPBOARD. YOU CAN TRUST HIM FULLY TO MEET ALL OF THESE NEEDS, BECAUSE HE PROMISES TO DO IT.

Tragically, many people are going to grow bitter in the coming days because God won’t answer their prayers to protect their present lifestyle. Many have never known the kind of suffering we now face.

But the Lord says to rich and poor alike, “Don’t fret about your worldly possessions. Give me quality time and trust me. I am going to take care of all your future needs. You will be supplied all the essentials you need to get by.”

There is one lesson every believer must learn and practice.
At this moment, world events are moving so fast that nobody can keep up with them. Even as I write these words, the American stock market has lost billions. The implications of such things are too deep and complex to fathom.

Our faith is anchored in this: OUR HEAVENLY FATHER KNOWS US — HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED AND WHEN WE NEED IT — AND THE VERY FACT HE KNOWS IS PROOF ENOUGH THAT WE ARE UNDER HIS CARE. HE DELIGHTS IN US, AND WE ARE SNUGGLED IN HIS BOSOM, SAFE AND SOUND.

Daniel said of the Lord: “He knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him” (Daniel 2:22). God knows all about the dark days ahead. And he knows that even this darkness cannot obscure his face from us.

Indeed, our clear path through hard times will be found only in trusting the Lord. He is calling us today to have a simple, childlike trust in his faithfulness.

Let us all keep our eyes on Jesus. Let us trust his great love and care for us. “Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you” (1 Peter 5:7).

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I like the way your going about it,,,,but rest asured that God will not allow satan to have 3 1/2 years,,,,I trully belive he will only have 5 months.....

If He did have 3 1/2 years or 7 no man would make it,,,,Matthew 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mark 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Revelation 9:5
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Revealtion 9:10

And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

HB....

I'd also look at 3 1/2 years starting from 2008 to 2015.

Check out this teaching on the blood moons.

The Lord said we would not know then exact time He is coming...but we can know about when.

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=22945

Cheryl...

Thank you for suggesting this book. I also love to read and love books. This is one that I'll get and read over the holidays.

Thank you very much.

Cindy

Hi Cindy!

glad you read my post.. order it now.. you'll get it in time to read over the holidays.

I am certain it was answered prayer for me.. and will be a blessing to anybody who reads it.

The bottom line is, the Saros set for June 15, 2011 is what the
Mayan may have calcuated as : December 21, 2012
Meaning the Mayan were off track . . . with their eclipse
calculations, by a little over a year 1/2 !
Even the Bible Codes utilize the Hebrew Jubilees, connected to
the Abraham 6000 year theory.

The difference between the computer tracking of Saros date
June 15th, 2011 and the Mayan December 21, 2012 has a decoding
message : 6666
one year, 6 months , 6 days ( which is 6 months + 6 months +
6 months + 6 days = 6666 )
http://6666lunareclipsejune152011.blogspot.com/

It will be troubling times indeed.
But the endtimes/new beginning can not come to pass
until the grandson the grandson of a carpenter comes of age
and that is a little over 5 years away.
I know I witnessed the birth and the presence of the father and the son
and he has been hidden from evil until he has grown stronger than it
and that he now has, he has conquered the evil within and the devil knows his fate
shaking on his throne, the devil knows who and how but not when.
I have stood before him and I await the day he stands before me
For I am ready to "STAND TO" and prove my faith with my life and soul.
For the kingdom of heaven on earth will not be a free ride, it must be earnt
by each and every soul who seeks entry.

how is it earned, may I ask?

Well, I did it, and I must be crazy for it. I've joined the quiet number of people who have over the past few months been buying food rations to store up food. It was expensive. Dropped $400 bucks on a three months supply of freeze dried meals.

And I plan to buy more.

I never considered or done anything like it. It's like something inside of me is shaken. Almost an instinct to act when my reasoning mind can't believe what I'm doing. How can anyone prepare for the worst? I'm not the kind of person to even think smugly "yep, I got my food and water and my hole in the ground. Doomsday can show up and I'll be ready." Blah! pure insanity!

The talk about Y2K, and hearing folks stocking up and stuff, I said whatever and shrugged it off when that was happening. But eight years later, with the stuff that's happening now...I think it's serious, serious enough to do something, take some precaution, pray to God and for others. The seasons changing, an unfamiliar wind blows, the ground trembles and birds in a tree suddenly take flight without cause. Something's afoot.

Anyway, I don't want to alarm anyone, and I sure as ache ee double hockey sticks want to be wrong. I don't gloat over what I might say about the economy crashing or a nuke going off in my country, or the president getting killed or marshall law being declared or the Vatican getting blown up. It would be nice if it were just all camp fire stories without a shred of proof. A boogie man tale about an elite group of people running the world to the brink.

Matthew 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

I pray, dear Lord, that ye may have me girded and fleet of foot. Save me with your oil, my lamp lit and patient. I tremble but I trust in you, dear Christ. Amen.

we too, are "stocking" up..

and when i lQQk at what I have, it certainly isn't enough..
especially, when i think of all the people with whom we'll be sharing it,
simply, because, they "don't believe" something like this can happen..

and I wonder.. how much is enough?? I often think..
one can of beans per person, per day.. well.. we'll even be thankful for that
when the time comes..

it is very hard for me to spend money that we don't have for something in
the future.. but if THIS is hard now.. i can only imagine what it will be like "then"

for example.. i want to buy lamp oil.. it is SOOOO expensive, (well.. what I consider, expensive)
and to dish out $4 or $5 for just 32 oz .. ahhhhh... it is hard! especially, when i could do soo
much more with that $4 or $5 ...

still, i feel it is foolish to NOT prepare.. and Bob.. I believe this is different than Y2K .. that was predicted
by man.. THIS.. we see thru the eyes of scripture.. (I believe)

the other day, i was putting some things away.. turned and looked at it.. and
thought.. hmmm.. if they kill us.. Lord, use this supply to bless whoever will find it..

anyhow.. soon, very soon.. we will be going out and buying "by the case" numerous things..
will it be enough? I dunno?? I know, just in my immediate family, there must be at least 10-15 people to
provide for..

I will admit... there are times, that the thought of finally coming to the point of trusting the Lord to provide
what we need, excites me..

I have a plaque here on my kitchen wall, that I stenciled when we first bought our humble home.. it simply says:

THE LORD PROVIDES

everytime I lQQk at it.. I confirm that He always has..

and..

I KNOW He always will..

more than anything, I am preparing my heart and soul.. and I am praying the same for my loved ones and
my brothers and sisters..

the day is coming when we will truly see, the battle is the LORD's.. and we will have nothing to to but

Be Still.. and know! that HE IS GOD! -

what? could be more blessed?

I have not and will not stock up supplies.
Instead I learned to live off a few slices of bread and milk.
Comes worst to worst, then will I dance and smile.
If God wants me to live, I will live, regardless food.

Yes, I understand both thoughts. God directs different people in different ways
according for what He will bring them through and equip them in the natural and
spiritual for the ministry birthed in His timing.

For me...I believe, and still praying about moving. It is all I can do to hold on
for an time and place, yet I already know, just waiting for the confirmations to
make the trip.

I don't live in my own home and so it is not easy to make plans and do anything
until He "orchestrates my next move". I have had some interuptions along the
way to throw me off path...but even though I have been tested...He is still
with me.

HB, are you in California? I can't remember if you said you were. If so then
you may feel the heaviness that I am feeling for intercession. Stay low and pray
is something that I borrowed from one of Loisfaith posts, and I think it is a good one.

Along with the move...NOW is what I am getting, but the exact now I have not
heard. I will be making a trip, I think in December for three weeks to scout. I have
already gone on a prayer trek(I got that from you, HB)there earlier this year.

Yesterday, I heard this, "Go and find out". I barely have enough to make car
payment, but then it is still parked outside, Halleluyah! When I travel the next time
in the spring I will be looking for someone to split the drive, truck and tow the car.

I am meeting with prayer partners that I had when new in the faith soon. I made
contact with them after almost 20 years. Just the pieces of the puzzle. We each
have a piece that fits somewhere and preparation is occupying until He come, and
formost is prayer and worship.

Love,
Signet

signet, is your mom still with you?