So do You Observe God’s Sabbath or Your Own?

So let’s just say the Sabbath was changed from the 7th day to the first day of the week. My question to the forum is this, were all of the rules that govern the Sabbath day changed also? And if they were, where in the bible can these changes be found? These questions are only for those that believe the Sabbath was either changed or they believe they can serve God on any day they choose verses the day He called Holy. For those that know the truth I offer the following:

There are activities God says should be avoided on the Sabbath Day. And to find them we will go the the same place we are to receive ALL of our religious doctrine….the Holy scriptures. Just as God did not leave it up to man to determine what sin is, He would not give us a commandment to keep the 7th day Holy and then leave it up to US to determine how it should observed. To find all of how God wants us to observe His Sabbath we must do as the scripture instructs, “ For precept must be upon precept…line upon line; here a little, and there a little.”, Isaiah 28: 10. Below are scriptures telling us exactly what God does and does not want us to do on His Holy Day; His Sabbath.

Exod 16;

[23] And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
[26] Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

So above we can determine (3) things; first: the Sabbath is a day for rest., second; the Sabbath is the 7th day and third: we are not to bake or boil (seethe) foods on the Sabbath. No cooking or heating foods on the Sabbath Day!

Neh 13;
[15] In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals.
[16] There dwelt men of Tyre also therein, which brought fish, and all manner of ware, and sold on the sabbath unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem.
[17] Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said unto them, What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane the sabbath day?
[18] Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.
[19] And it came to pass, that when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the sabbath, I commanded that the gates should be shut, and charged that they should not be opened till after the sabbath: and some of my servants set I at the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day.
[21] Then I testified against them, and said unto them, Why lodge ye about the wall? if ye do so again, I will lay hands on you. From that time forth came they no more on the sabbath.
[22]And I commanded the Levites that they should cleanse themselves, and that they
should come and keep the gates, to sanctify the sabbath day. Remember me, O
my God, concerning this also, and spare me according to the greatness of thy mercy.

Here we see the prophet Nehemiah contending with the people of Jerusalem about buying and selling on the Sabbath day. So much so that in verse (21) he tells them if they continue he will lay hands on them. No buying, selling or conducting business on the Sabbath Day! That is of course if it can be avoided. Jesus gave us an example that some things are ok to do on His Sabbath.

Matt 12;
[11] And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12] How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

So as we can see, some things are permitted, but are we to do whatever we like of the day God set aside as Holy? Let’s read:

Isa 58;
[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

Finally we see that we are not to do our own pleasure on Gods’ Holy day. We are to honor him, “not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:” No engaging in our own pleasures on the Sabbath Day! Let’s review:

The Sabbath is for rest
We are to come together to worship the Lord
We are not to cook on Gods Sabbath
We are not to buy or sell on Gods Sabbath
We are not to do our own will or pleasures


Like I said earlier, above is for those that know the Sabbath has not changed.

For those that believe the Sabbath has changed I must ask the following:

How do you observe your Sabbath? Is it observed on the 7th day of the week as it was done throughout the entire bible? Do you spend it going out for dinner with family and friends after a good Sunday service? Or do you cook that great Sunday dinner at home? Do you go shopping or maybe to the movies? Or do you spend the afternoon working around the house before watching The Big Game? Either way, does the observance of your Sabbath mirror that of the examples given to us in the bible? Is your Sabbath the same as Gods’?


Now here is something for you to think about while you are trying to find out how God says you should govern yourself on whatever day You decide to worship Him on.

Here is a passage from the book of Isaiah. And as you read you will find this passage is speaking about the 2nd coming of our Lord.


ISAIAH 66:

[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
[18] For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.


As you can see from reading above this is the time when God will return with vengeance upon the earth. It is a time of "Jacobs trouble" as some call it. But the next verse is what I want the readers to focus on:


[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.



My question is about the sabbath spoken of that "ALL FLESH" will come to worship before the Lord on.

Do you think THAT SABBATH will be the same SABBATH that God said will be an everlasting covenant?
Do you think He will say, “Don’t worry about the day, just pick one and serve and worship me.”
Do you think at that time those that worship God will have a choice in the matter as far as which day they say is the Sabbath?

After all, what is a perpetual covenant to God? Let’s read.


EXODUS 31:
[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Now I know some are saying that this is for the nation of Israel. Well is it really? Let's see what the scriptures have to say:

ISAIAH 56:
[2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
[6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

So this covenant is not just for the nations of Israel, but for all those that join themselves to the Lord.

Now these are just additional questions, but remember, my main questions is still.....How do you observe YOUR Sabbath?

I keep it in the Spirit and ask the Lord to spend the day with me.

Hbr 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.


Hbr 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].


Hbr 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Hbr 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.


Hbr 4:5 And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest.


Hbr 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


Hbr 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.


Hbr 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

Hbr 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

sabbatismos (Strong's G4520)1) a keeping sabbath2) the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians



Hbr 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.

Hbr 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


Hbr 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.


Hbr 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.


Hbr 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.


Hbr 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.



Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.


Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.




Hbr 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his. [color="#8B0000"][/color]

The sabbath in Christ is a perpetual one. When God ceased from His work, He didn't continue in it afterwards. So we, who have ceased from our own works and follow our Master daily, don't return to our own burdens. Put on rather the yoke of Christ. His yoke is easy and His burden is light!

Just how many part-time sabbathers are there out there?

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However He says to.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit...

Collossians 2;16

NT believers are not required to observe a physical rest on the 7th day saturday sabbath

the Sabbath was fulfilled in Christ

Did you even bother to read the post? The question to the forum is not about which day the Sabbath is on or which day should be observed. The question is "How do you observe your Sabbath?" God gave us rules governing His Sabbath day. So even though you worship on a day other that the day He appointed, do you at least comply to the instructions God gave us for His Sabbath? Or are we no longer under those guidelines? And if we are not, where does it state so in the scriptures?

Here are some of the guidelines God gave us for His Sabbath:


Exod 16;

[23] And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
[26] Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

So above we can determine (2) things; first: the Sabbath is a day for rest., second; we are not to bake or boil (seethe) foods on the Sabbath. No cooking or heating foods on the Sabbath Day!

Neh 13;
[15] In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals.
[16] There dwelt men of Tyre also therein, which brought fish, and all manner of ware, and sold on the sabbath unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem.
[17] Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said unto them, What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane the sabbath day?
[18] Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.
[19] And it came to pass, that when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the sabbath, I commanded that the gates should be shut, and charged that they should not be opened till after the sabbath: and some of my servants set I at the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day.
[21] Then I testified against them, and said unto them, Why lodge ye about the wall? if ye do so again, I will lay hands on you. From that time forth came they no more on the sabbath.
[22]And I commanded the Levites that they should cleanse themselves, and that they
should come and keep the gates, to sanctify the sabbath day. Remember me, O
my God, concerning this also, and spare me according to the greatness of thy mercy.

Here we see the prophet Nehemiah contending with the people of Jerusalem about buying and selling on the Sabbath day. So much so that in verse (21) he tells them if they continue he will lay hands on them. No buying, selling or conducting business on the Sabbath Day! That is of course if it can be avoided. Jesus gave us an example that some things are ok to do on His Sabbath.

Matt 12;
[11] And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12] How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

So as we can see, some things are permitted, but are we to do whatever we like of the day God set aside as Holy? Let’s read:

Isa 58;
[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

Finally we see that we are not to do our own pleasure on Gods’ Holy day. We are to honor him, “not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:” No engaging in our own pleasures on the Sabbath Day! Let’s review:

The Sabbath is for rest
We are to come together to worship the Lord
We are not to cook on Gods Sabbath
We are not to buy or sell on Gods Sabbath
We are not to do our own will or pleasures


For those that believe the Sabbath has changed I must ask the following:

How do you observe your Sabbath? Is it observed on the 7th day of the week as it was done throughout the entire bible? Do you spend it going out for dinner with family and friends after a good Sunday service? Or do you cook that great Sunday dinner at home? Do you go shopping or maybe to the movies? Or do you spend the afternoon working around the house before watching The Big Game? Either way, does the observance of your Sabbath mirror that of the examples given to us in the bible? Is your Sabbath the same as Gods’?


Now here is something for you to think about while you are trying to find out how God says you should govern yourself on whatever day You decide to worship Him on.

Here is a passage from the book of Isaiah. And as you read you will find this passage is speaking about the 2nd coming of our Lord.


ISAIAH 66:

[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
[18] For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.


As you can see from reading above this is the time when God will return with vengeance upon the earth. It is a time of "Jacobs trouble" as some call it. But the next verse is what I want the readers to focus on:


[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.



My question is about the sabbath spoken of that "ALL FLESH" will come to worship before the Lord on.

Do you think THAT SABBATH will be the same SABBATH that God said will be an everlasting covenant?
Do you think He will say, “Don’t worry about the day, just pick one and serve and worship me.”
Do you think at that time those that worship God will have a choice in the matter as far as which day they say is the Sabbath?

After all, what is a perpetual covenant to God? Let’s read.


EXODUS 31:
[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Now I know some are saying that this is for the nation of Israel. Well is it really? Let's see what the scriptures have to say:

ISAIAH 56:
[2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
[6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

So this covenant is not just for the nations of Israel, but for all those that join themselves to the Lord.

Now these are just additional questions, but remember, my main questions is still.....How do you observe YOUR Sabbath?

And can you please direct me to the scripture that states that Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath and that it was no longer required by NT believers! Because if that is the case then there must have been a change in the law. Can't recall Jesus changing or doing away with His Laws. As a matter of fact, it is keeping His Laws that will give eternal life.

Matt 19:
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

And whenever there is a change, God makes sure we know of it:

Heb 7:
[12] For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

This change was due to the fact that the High Priest had to come from the Arons seed, but Jesus came out of the tribe of Juda, so there had to be a change in the law of the priesthood.

So again, just when was the law changed for God's Sabbath day?

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

christ made me born-again, and forgave me


Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


christ fulfilled and ended the LAW OF MOSES

the Sabbath Law was in the LAW OF MOSES


Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


no-one can judge me concerning dietary laws, jewish feasts and festivals, new moon assemblies, sabbath days........because all this stuff was in the LAW OF MOSES, which christ nailed to the cross

christ crucified the Law




Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


the dietary laws, festivals, assemblies, sabbaths, etc,,,,,,,,were mere SHADOWS of christ............Christ is the TARGET that the Law pointed to and aimed for

the JUBILEE is a picture of Christ (He set the captives free, and paid all debts)..........but , we don't observe the JUBILEE today, in NT times,,,,,,,,,,,,,,neither do we observe the OT sabbath

if you observe the OT sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws,,,,,,,,,,,then, you must obey PERFECTLY ALL THE LAW OF MOSES,,,,,,which no-one has ever been able to do (except Christ)

christ obeyed the Law perfectly, without one sin,,,,,,,,and then, he vanished the mosaic law, by nailing it to the cross



Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

you said:
"Here is a passage from the book of Isaiah. And as you read you will find this passage is speaking about the 2nd coming of our Lord.


ISAIAH 66:

[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
[18] For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.


As you can see from reading above this is the time when God will return with vengeance upon the earth. It is a time of "Jacobs trouble" as some call it. But the next verse is what I want the readers to focus on:


[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.



My question is about the sabbath spoken of that "ALL FLESH" will come to worship before the Lord on.

Do you think THAT SABBATH will be the same SABBATH that God said will be an everlasting covenant?
Do you think He will say, “Don’t worry about the day, just pick one and serve and worship me.”
Do you think at that time those that worship God will have a choice in the matter as far as which day they say is the Sabbath? "








my thoughts:
i think THE ELECT NATION ISRAEL is a special case

they will serve the Lord in the PROMISED LAND, in the Mill Reign, after the Trib..........and they will observe the OT Sabbath, (i think)

the OT Sabbath was for OT times ONLY, and for ISRAEL nation ONLY

in NT times, christians are not required to observe the OT rituals, such as sabbath, physical circumcision, dietary laws, jubilee, sabbath years, etc

Isaiah 66 is talking about ISRAEL ONLY, in the Mill Reign

as per Collossains 2,,,,,,,,,,it's obvious that NT believers are not required to REST on a certain day................

i work 7 days per week.............saved people are zealous to do good works

jesus said........my yoke is easy, my burden is light.............He was talking about a SPIRITUAL BURDEN (not a physical burden/yoke)

amen adullam

In Christ we are suppose to BE BURIED IN BAPTISM- PUT TO DEATH THE OLD MAN, NO LONGER WALK AFTER THE FLESH BUT CRUCIFY THE DEEDS THEREOF.-

It is to be Christ that walks and works in us and lives in us. WE ARE TO DO NOTHING OF OURSELVES, BUT WALK IN FAITH IN EVERYTHING WE DO.

If we are DEAD and CHRIST lives in us and we cease from OUR OWN WORKS as GOD DID FROM HIS then the only time we can leave sabbath rest is when we walk in the flesh.

God did not cease from His own works on the 7th day and then working again the next day, this is what people do not understand. God ceased FOREVER on that day because He finished all things before that day! He declared the end from the beginning. When He rested, His eternal work was finished!

As In Christ we are to end our own fleshly works FOREVER and rest by faith in HIS work, Letting it be HIM that lives in us. We are to renew our minds by the word of God so that even our minds are at rest by faith, and the fleshly thoughts and imaginations we once had are to be cast down so only the mind of Christ reigns in our thoughts.

We all know it was never wrong to do good on sabbath- and Christ in us can do NOTHING BUT GOOD. Christ can bring forth no work or fruit that is not good and there is no law against the fruits of the Spirit.

the word of God is clear that the law is not of faith, but the just shall live by faith

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


We are not even suppose to give thought to what we will eat or drink or wear but have the mind of faith in these matters.

Mat 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?


Mat 6:26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?


Mat 6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?


Mat 6:28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:


Mat 6:29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.


Mat 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith?


Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?


Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.


Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.


Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day [is] the evil thereof.



Now this last verse is very important because it is the differnce between law and faith. Jesus says " take therefore no thought for the morrow fo rthe morrow shall take thought for the things of itself"

If we walk by the letter of the law that is not of faith- we cannot obey this command of Jesus because to keep a one day physical sabbath, we MUST take thought of the morrow, that is why there is a day of preperation, there is cooking and cleaning and preparing and shopping etc to be done on the 6th day all just to think of the morrow.

But if we know that we walk the same towards God everyday and that it is HE that will feed and clothe us then we have nothing past today to think about because we walk in FAITH that God has prepared for us what we need when we need it and we do not have to make provision for the flesh

Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to [fulfil] the lusts [thereof].

I was going to give you a lesson on the matter of God's Laws but Bro. Tan has already done that. So here is my answer to you; The only laws that were nailed to the cross were The sacrificial laws. These were the only laws against us because they could not take away our sins. Hence, they were our school masters, or, "a shadow of things to come" which lead us to Jesus.

you said
"The only laws that were nailed to the cross were The sacrificial laws. "

but you didn't prove it...........you didn't quote chapter and verse

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God's sabbath is the thousand year reign of Christ. The seventh day.

Christ will return and remove everything that man has created, off of the earth.

No one will do the will of man ever again from God's day forward.

The earth will be inhabited without walls and without the works of mans hands.

If this is what you are remembering to keep it Holy then you are doing well.






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Why would you even have to contemplate such things? Are you worried you might be doing something wrong? Or are you worried we might be doing something wrong?

Sunday is the best day of the week. I love God...I love church. ... I love the message...I love the people..I love the worship...and l love to sit in my Sunday School class and get fed good teaching.. Then l come home and put my feet up for a couple of hours...Make dinner. Get some exercise ..Watch a Christian movie if possible and go to bed early.

I don't believe the Lord wants me running errands and such on Sunday...It's to be set apart..

I hope you have a similar freedom in Christ.

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Why don't we just stay in our stupor gazing through those rose colored glasses that the beast gave us and when the floods of Noah and the fires of Lot come to destroy us, we will only hurt for a moment, then be gone.

Or we can get up out of our fluffy bed and get busy building that "siege wall of faith in the Lord' to make it through the coming destruction.

Nevertheless the end is coming and the beast that you have found comfort in and love will fall and rise no more.

You will move into the field that God created for you. Or you will perish.






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What a stupid answer to someone who finds comfort in the Lord and his day. To come before him with worship and praise...to hear the word spoken and to bless and be blessed by others.

Get a hearing aid and heart transplant if you think your evil interpretation of fellowship is a stepping stone to recognition of your false reality.

May God bless you as you seek to find true fellowship.

It will not be me proving it....it will be God through His Holy word. But the question is...will you read it?

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What a choice!

Join in the flattery of the beast and his children or be alone in Christ.

But then what fellowship did Christ have?

Even his apostles abandoned him to death.

Wow!

Look around.

Nothings changed.

You think you hate me now? Wait until you find out that what I have told you in love is true.








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Keep it concise, not over half a page or so and I'll read it. No "beating around the bush."

Just tell me this: What laws/commands from God are currently in force/binding ?

very simply it depends on who you are- if you are wicked, then the law of moses is binding on you because the law was made for the wicked.

If you are in Christ Jesus, crucified with him and made a new creature then the commandments in the NT are binding upon you and they are all commandments of faith.

If you as a believer walk in the commandments of Christ in the NT there is no need for any part of the law of moses to bind you.

1) if you do not even let yourself THINK to lust after a person, how will you ever commit adultary?

2) If you do not let yourself have love for the things of this world how will you ever covet?

3) If you do not let yourself even hate another, but instead you love and forgive all freely how will you ever get to the point of murder

4)If you have ceased from your own works as God did from His, how will you ever leave the rest of God?

5) If you honor the heads God has given you in your life ( parents, bosses, masters, husbands, authorities) knowing that there is no power but Gods, how can you dishonor your parents or anyone else?

6)If you love God will all your heart, and cast down all imaginations that even exalt themselves above Christ, how can you be an idolater?

i think the point is clear here. we walk in the Spirit of God now, which is so far above every law given to bind that by faith in Him we cannot come near the sins that required a law to be put on wicked men.

GodspromisesRyes, I appreciate your input. However, for the record,

Eccl12and13 appears to be the author of the statement that caught my eye.

Based on Ecc's original statement [that DM challenged], I doubt Ecc agrees with your response.

That being said, I do appreciate your input and I agree with the gist of your following response.

Naturally, I'll have to question and quibble a bit.





No matter if one is a Jew or a Gentile ?

Paul indicates Gentiles are not under the law. Doesn't he ?

Gentiles are still subject to judgment,... but not "under the law."



Certainly we agree that "Love one another" is the "new" command given by Jesus.

You refer to "commandments of faith." [plural]

Do you have a list of these "commandments of faith" ?



I think you are saying that those "in Christ" are not "under the law".

If so, we are in basic agreement.

I recognize "love one another" as THE "command" given by Jesus Christ.

I want to understand what you mean by "commandments" [plural] of Christ.



I envy any saint that is so absolutely dominated by the Holy Spirit,
that even when daily seeing very attractive persons,
that they never even "THINK" about out of marriage sexual activity.



It is a load off ones back when material goods just don't matter as much as they used to.

When I was young I could hardly imagine there would come a day when it would be pleasant/enjoyable to give.

Granted my giving is within certain limits.

If you [whoever is reading this] give away all you have so that all you have left
is the clothes on your back and you sleep on the ground [but kept back a computer],
then God Bless you,
but I'm not that much of a giver yet]

[and I confess I don't send money to all the needy spammers we hear from]



It is another load off ones back when one can leave things in the hands of the Lord.

Things like "payback" and other "problems."



Working for salvation is one thing. Not good.

Desiring to be of service to the one who loved you enough to die for you
is something else. Good.





"love fulfills the law" Amen.

And this is his command:
to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and
to love one another as he commanded us
1John 3:23

If you give me at least 2 pages I think I can do it. It's just that while searching the scriptures I continue to find more and more verses that explain what the bible has to say on the subject.

This is a reply to DM's request: you said ---> "The only laws that were nailed to the cross were The sacrificial laws. "DM->but you didn't prove it...........you didn't quote chapter and verse. And also for Mr. JP. I know this may go longer than 2 pages, but I pray you will read all of it. Thanks for reading the post!


Which Law was Nailed to the Cross?

Col. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Without a doubt there was a law, or set of ordinances as Paul calls them, that were nailed to the cross, but the question is “Which Law“?
Let’s first determine the laws it could not have been.

In Matt. there was a person that asked Jesus what was needed for eternal life,

Matt 19: 16-19 16. And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

IS THERE A MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT THIS? Isn't this what all followers of Christ desire?

Now please pay very close attention to the answer Jesus’ gives.

17. And He said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

QUESTION ASKED….…QUESTION ANSWERED!!!!!! Let's read it just one more time; "...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

Keeping the Commandments! Nothing more and nothing less! If anything else was needed, don't you think our Lord would have said so?

Now just in case there are those confused on which laws Jesus was talking about, let’s read what commandments Jesus told him to keep.

18. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19. Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

From this conversation we know for a fact that not just some of the ten commandments are valid, but ALL of them. And how do I know this? Because of what James tells us,

9. But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

But notice, James just introduced to us something that tells us we are not only to just keep the (10) commandments. Let’s read the 9th verse again.

9. But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Nowhere in the ten (10) does it tell us about having respect of persons, but James just told us it was a law. And breaking even this law is equivalent to breaking them all, even the (10).

Just for the record, let’s review exactly what sin is.

1 John. 3[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

And who has committed sin?

Eccl. 7[20] For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not
Rom.3[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

So what does this have to say about keeping the law? Obviously there are a lot more than just the (10) we are to keep. Let's read what Paul has to say about the law.

Rom 7: 7 & 12: 7. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
12. Where the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Now here we have Paul telling us that if it were not for the law, he would not have know what sin was. He even goes on to tell us that the law and the commandments are, holy, just and good.

So Paul tells us, it is by the law that he knows what sin is. And Jesus instructs us to keep the law for eternal life. So how can they be 'contray to us'? Certainly these cannot. So let's find what 'ordinances' were nailed to the cross!

Let's start in the OT and look briefly at the High day, The Day of Atonement.

Lev. 16 [15] Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:
[16] And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.

So all of the sin for all of the people were to be covered by the sacrificing of a goat, and this act was performed behind the vail.

Now let’s find what was to happen to the Messiah and what would end at His death:

Dan. 9 [26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
[27] “…and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,…”

So now we see that the Messiah would be killed, but not for Himself, and His death would cause the sacrifice to cease. Nothing else was stopped. The (10) were not. The Moral Laws were not. The Dietary Laws were not. The only thing Christ stopped when He died were the Sacrificial Laws!

Let’s check out what happened when the Messiah, died:

Matt. 27 [50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom;

So the vail, behind which, was used to sacrifice for the sins of ALL the people was no longer. So are we in need of the sacrifices after the Messiah has died for us?

Heb. 9 [11] But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
[12] Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

So we see that Christ became both our high priest and out sacrifice.

Let’s read what Paul had to say once the Messiah came and died for our sins:

Gal. 3 [23] But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[24] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

And now that Christ has come and died for ALL of mankind, we are no longer in need of a schoolmaster. So it was the sacrificial laws that was our schoolmaster that brought us unto Christ. Which explains why the vail was rent in two, there was no longer a need for the High Priest to sacrifice goats and bulls. God never wanted to sacrifice bulls and goats anyway:

Heb. 10:[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
[8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Let’s read more…Paul will explain what he means:

Heb. 10 [1] For the law (divine ordinances) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

And what was the first? The old covenant. It was the sacrificial laws, the shadow of things to come, our schoolmaster.

Heb. 8 [13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

So what was to vanish was the old covenant. Now let’s read what the old covenant was. Let’s go right into the next chapter:

Heb. 9 [1] Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

So the old covenant had a set of divine ordinances of service which were performed in a tabernacle.

[2] For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
[3] And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
[6] Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
[7] But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

So it was only the ‘High Priest’ that went behind the ‘vail’ once a year. And not without blood did he go, which was for the errors (sins) of the people.

Now let’s read what time these ordinances were for:

[9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

So they were for a figure (a shadow) for the time then, but still the sacrifices could not make the ‘High Priest’ perfect. Now if the high priest could not be made perfect, how could the people’s sins be forgiven? They couldn’t! But they had to offer something for their sins, otherwise they would have to die for their sins themselves.

And those laws were replaced by Him, “..that he may establish the second.”

[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
[16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Now why was the sacrificial laws needed?

Gal. 3 [19] Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator

It (the sacrificial law) was added (instituted, put in place), because of transgressions (SIN).

So the sacrificial laws were put into place for the breaking of God’s other laws.

The sacrificial laws were put in place because by God’s own word, if a soul sinned the punishment was the shedding of blood.
Now how many of us would be here if God had not made a provision to remove our sins with the killing of bulls and goats until Jesus came to take care of ALL of the sins of the world?

And it was to remain in effect until the seed (Jesus) should come to whom the promise was made.

Heb. 9 [15] And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Now let’s finally read what it was that was nailed to the cross:

Col. 2 [14] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


So the set of ordinaces that were contray to us and nailed to the cross were the sacrificial laws and them alone.

I pray you stayed with this until the end and hopfully you gained some knowledge about the word of God.

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QUOTE (Eccl12and13 @ Dec 3 2008, 06:15 AM)
It will not be me proving it....it will be God through His Holy word. But the question is...will you read it?
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JP-Keep it concise, not over half a page or so and I'll read it. No "beating around the bush."

JP-Just tell me this: What laws/commands from God are currently in force/binding ?



Since Jesus was speaking to an "under the law" Jew,
and
since the conversation took place
BEFORE Jesus died for our sins and
BEFORE Jesus rose from the dead and
BEFORE ascended to Heaven and
BEFORE God the Father gave Jesus "all power in Heaven and Earth"

would it have been appropriate for Jesus to have replied:

"for eternal life call on Me" ?



Just tell me this: What laws/commands from God are currently in force/binding ?

I read your above.

I understand you are saying the 10 commandments are still in force.

Are there any more commandments in force ?

Or is it just the 10 commandments you are contending are still in force just as they were in force on Jews

for centuries before Jesus came and died for our sins in and brought into being His New Covenant ?

And how do you square Sabbath keeping with Paul's statement to the effect that "one day is same as another" ?

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

I read your above.



first off brother John why are you using the word force, God made you a free agent to obey or not to obey.

next thing is every word that proceed out of the mouth of the Lord is a command.

example

Gen 1v27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

yet is this command in the 10!



the 10 commandments will be here as long a you see a heaven and you have this earth, this is written.

Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

and Jesus said his words shall not pass away!

Mt 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

what was forced on the Jews, God don't force nothing on no one! Either you do what he says or you don't do what he says.



and the new covenant is?

Heb 8v7: For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

first Brother John there was no fault with the old covenant, the fault was wit the people.

8: For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

second brother John the new Covenant was made with Israel and not the gentiles?

9: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out
of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Israel broke the old covenant, there old covenant was not broke!

10: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

here is the New Covenant brother John, Jesus will put his LAWS in there mind!!!!

so ask yourself Brother John should you be under the new covenant and if so should you be keeping the LAW!

if you don't brother John, you are not one of God's people!!!



thats easy Brother, just read what Paul said this concerning the weak in Faith.

a person weak in faith has no faith!!! that is why Paul said receive him.

1: Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2: For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3: Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4: Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5: One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6: He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7: For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

A person weak in the faith is a babe in the word

Acts 20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

Rom 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

the weak you have to offer them milk and not meat

Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

1Pt 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

so much for the weak in faith who

1: Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2: For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3: Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4: Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5: One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

and once this weak person is taught the truth he will be persuaded in his own mind.

5Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said,

"The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses."

6The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?

11No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."
Act 15

To bad you weren't there to set them straight

Since Jesus was speaking to an "under the law" Jew,
and
since the conversation took place
BEFORE Jesus died for our sins and
BEFORE Jesus rose from the dead and
BEFORE ascended to Heaven and
BEFORE God the Father gave Jesus "all power in Heaven and Earth"

would it have been appropriate for Jesus to have replied:

"for eternal life call on Me" ?

To answer the above let's go to the book of Rev.:

Rev. 22 [14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Now this statement was given to John, by the mouth of an angel, many years after Christ had died and returned to heaven. But still we find that the keeping of the commandments will get you eternal life.


I read your above.

I understand you are saying the 10 commandments are still in force.

Are there any more commandments in force ?

Or is it just the 10 commandments you are contending are still in force just as they were in force on Jews

for centuries before Jesus came and died for our sins in and brought into being His New Covenant ?

And how do you square Sabbath keeping with Paul's statement to the effect that "one day is same as another" ?
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Just as Bro. Ozell said in his reply, ALL of God's commandments are still to be obeyed. We can see that with the statement Jesus made Himself, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matt. 5:18

Let's go back to the OT and see how long these Laws, commandments and statues were to be obeyed.

Ex. 31 [16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
[17] It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: The Sabbath, FOREVER!

Now let's look at some of the other commandments God said would last forever.

Ex. 12 [13] And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
[14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. The Passover, FOREVER!

Ex. 12 [17] And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever. The Feast of Unleaven Bread, FOREVER!

Lev. 23 [15] And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
[16] Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
[21] And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations. The Feast of Weeks in the OT aka Pentacost in the NT, FOREVER!

Lev. 23 [27] Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
[28] And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
[31] Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. The Day of Atonement, FOEVER!

Lev. 23 [34] Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
[35] On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[41] And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
The Feast of Tabernacles, FOREVER!

Now let's look at one more set of God's laws.

Deut. 14 [3] Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.
[6] And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, and cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat.
[8] And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Lev. 11 [27] And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even.
[29] These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,

And were these laws, commandments and statues just for the nations of Israel? Let's read:

Lev. 24 [22] Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.

So not only were God's laws for the nation of Israel, they were for ALL that joined themselves to worship the God of Israel.


Now let's move ahead to a future time. A time after the 2nd coming of Christ, and see if these laws are still to be obeyed, and what would be Christ actions toward those that disobeyed.

Is. 66 [15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

This is the time of Christ return. For the Lord will plead with ALL flesh and the slain of the Lord shall be many. Now let's look at some of the ones that will be slain.

[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

So those that sanctify themselves, or set themselves apart, not by God, and eat SWINE'S FLESH and the ABOMINATION and the MOUSE, shall be consumed at the 2nd coming of the Lord. Now my question, as I have always asked in this forum is, "Why would Christ, at His 2nd coming, consume those that eat SWINE and MICE?"
If the dietary laws were done away with and nailed on the cross, why is God punishing these people? Looks like when God said it was an abomination, it truly was an abomination. And they remained an abomination even, AFTER, Christ died and returned to be with the Father. For what other reason can there be for them being consumed?

Let's read more.

Is. 66 [23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

So now we see that God's Sabbath will still be enforce at the 2nd coming of Christ also. He did say it was to be a perpetual covenant.

And just in case someone reading does not think this is at the 2nd coming of Christ let's read the next verse:

Is. 66 [24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

I don't think I have to tell you were these poor people are.

I have one more place to go:

Zech.14
[1] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
[2] For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
[3] Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
[4] And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Again, this is speaking about the 2nd coming of Christ. Let's read on:

Zech.14 [16] And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

So now we see, just as in the day's when God gave these laws to the nation of Israel, from year to year ALL nations shall to to worship and keep the feast of TABERNACLES!!

Let's read more:

[17] And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
[18] And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[19] This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

And if these nation do not observe the Feast of Tabernacles they will be punished.

Now in any of the above scriptures did it say that God would ONLY punish the NATION OF ISRAEL for not obeying His Laws, commandments and statutes? No it did not! This is what it said: "the LORD plead with all flesh", "They that sanctify themselves,", "shall all flesh come to worship before me", "the men that have transgressed against me", "of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles."

Truly God is, "...no respecter of persons:", Acts 10:34


Let's review:

1. The very last blessing in the bible is given to those that keep God's commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life. Rev. 22 [14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

2. God said that His laws, commandments and statutes were to be observed FOREVER! God also said that there were things that were an abomination to Him. And I listed some of them, His Sabbaths, Feast Days and Dietary Laws!
Ex. 31 [16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
[17] It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever. Sabbath, Forever!
[41] And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
The Feast of Tabernacles, FOREVER!
Deut. 14 [3] Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.
[8] And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.
Lev. 11 [29] These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,

3. And finally at Christ 2nd coming we find there are those that are punished for their transgressions.
Is.66 [17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
Zach.14 [18] And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[19] This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Now these are pretty stiff consequences for something that was supposed to be 'nailed to the cross'.

So there you have it JP. The information is here and all others who are reading to make up their own minds.

Just as Bro. Ozell said in his reply, "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.", Rom. 14:5.

Some are babes in the word and don't fully understand the whole word of God. You may think you may not have to keep Gods laws, others may think they do.

I, for one, was once a babe. But after reading, studying and researching, I am FULLY persuaded that God meant just what He said and that His laws, commandments and statutes are to be obeyed forever.

I truly hope this has shed some light on the topic for y