At present there are discussions on this forum about what The Mark of the Beast is and what is meant by Buying and Selling in the end of days. Knowing this is vital as….

Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the NUMBER OF HIS NAME, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

To be one of those with the harp of God we must have victory over the beast, his image, his mark and the number of his name.

We have discussed both the first and second beast, what the image is as well as what the mark means. Now…what is meant by the number of his name?

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, the NAME of the beast, or the NUMBER OF HIS NAME.

13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding COUNT the NUMBER of the beast: for it is the NUMBER of a man; and HIS NUMBER is six hundred threescore and six.

To properly understand this we should take it to the Greek language. What do the words....Count, Name, and Number mean as used in those verses?

Count ~
#5585 psephizo, from 5586: to use pebbles in enumeration, i.e. (gen.) to compute: - count
#5586 psephos: from the same as 5584: a pebble (as worn smooth by handling), i.e. (by impl. of use as a counter or ballot) a verdict (of acquittal) or ticket (of admission): a vote: - stone, voice.
#5584 pselaphao, from the base of 5567 (comp., 5586); to manipulate, i.e. verify by contact: fig. to search for: feel after, handle, touch,


Number #706 Greek ~ arithmos, from 142; a number (as reckoned up)



#142 airo ~ a prim, verb, to life; by impl. To TAKE UP OR AWAY, fig to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind), spec. to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Heb. [comp. 5375] to expiate sin: - AWAY WITH, BEAR (UP), carry LIFT UP, loose, MAKE TO DOUBT, put away, remove, take (AWAY, UP)

These definitions are very similar to….

#726 harpazo, (from a der. Of 138; to seize (in various applications) catch (away, up), pluck pull, take (by force)

And....what is harpazo? RAPTURE!

Name #3686 ~ onoma, from a presumed der. of the base of 1097 (comp. 3685); a "name" (lit. or fig) [authority, character]: called, (sur name)



Let's reread those verses knowing what the words count, number and name mean in Greek.....


Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, the name of the beast, or the number (take up or away, lift up, remove, make to doubt) of his name (character, authority.)



Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom, Let him that hath understanding count (vote, cast a ballot) the number (take up, away, remove, make to doubt) of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


So, those scriptures could be saying....No man might buy or sell unless you have the mark, the name of the beast and his (character) and...you (cast a ballot, vote, verdict) on or about the (being taken up, away, made to doubt, ...i.e. the rapture/harpazo). And the number of the beast is....666.

Six hundred sixty six…If six is the number of secular or human perfection, the sixty six is a more emphatic expression of the same fact, and six hundred sixty six is the concentrated expression of it; It is therefore the trinity of human perfection; the perfection of imperfection; the culmination of human pride in independence of God and opposition to His Christ.

The number, however, has to be computed, to reckon, to calculate, not merely to count or enumerate. Therefore it is not to be known by gematria merely, though, as we have said, that will be one of the factors in the calculation, just as the letters in the word Jesus amount to eight hundred eighty eight.

It will be seen from this that the number is very far reaching, and is filled with a meaning deeper, perhaps, than anything we have yet discovered. One thing, however is certain, and that is, that the triple six marks the culimination of man's opposition to God in the person of the coming antichrist. ~ E.W. Bullinger, Number in Scripture.

Certainly something to consider.

This is a very good starting point. And if we can all apply the wisdom we'll obtain understanding. But if we apply the knowledge of this world...then we'll be counting on our fingers even in the Day that Yahshua returns

The Bible is meant to teach, instruct and guide us into all understanding; but what happens and I am so guilty of this, we bring the world into the Word for understanding and wisdom. If I have to look any further than those Words for answers; then I'm not even a babe yet; I cannot even taste the milk much less perceive the meat.

The queen of the south offered Solomon
666 shekels of gold.

The only other reference I see pertinent in the bible.

Could it be the love of money or greed?

Love of money is the ROOT of all evil.

You either serve Mammon (money) or God.

And yes you "vote" for it. You choose between the love of money or the love pf God.

True. One can find the definitions as they apply to the words but it won't give the spiritual meaning. However, there are times...a rose, is a rose, is a rose.

In my mind, as I wait for spiritual understanding on a certain subject I feel it doesn't hurt to also try to understand what is written. In other words....if the meat hasn't yet been served then partake of the milk.

Well the meat was served almost 2000 years ago. So why are people still on the milk is beyond me. I believe people are actually afraid WW. Afraid of truth; the very truth that has the ability to set us free! Is it because deception has won? I oftentimes wonder if it is the fear of the enemy that binds people to not being able to grow but we're told:
2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Psalm 111:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Fear = Reverence

So if one fears enemy; then therein lies who/what the Revere.

But if one fears God Almighty; then therein lies the beginning of wisdom

Folks are still on milk because God wants it that way. Not all are to see and hear...at least for a time and too, some may see one thing and not another. I think we're here (in this world at this time as well as on this forum...it is not by accident) to learn from each other. Some will...some won't.

I've certainly learned from other posters. It is amazing how much I have learned in this past year (one year exactly on the 13th of this month)

Hopefully, someone with spiritual understanding on this particular topic will come along and enlighten us. I hope so.

Hebrews 5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Gosh Selah, I don't know anyone that has all the answers yet...if that is what you're saying. To me, that scripture means that the Holy Spirit teaches and when we hear a truth...it will click, not that we know all truths.

You did state "hopefully someone with spiritual understanding on this particular topic will come along.."

I supplied a verse; and never implied nor stated that "I" or you or any of us have all the answers yet. We are working together and with Him and His Word. I can state with confidence that in the past few day's even hours Yahshua has led me to living waters and I am choosing to FINALLY drink; I was so thirsty!!!

Oh and I'm also in the middle of cooking dinner; hence is why I keep going off line and returning. You asked WW. And now receive. It is not ME saying these things; hopefully you atleast have the ability to discern when it is me talking/typing. I'll talk about things in my mind and things I'm doing like cooking blah blah...but He comes in and renews my mind with living waters and I want to give you what He's giving me that is what we do as His followers Judi.

We have the authority and always have...it has just been set asside due to 'whatever' else has come along in the past 2000 years. And who am I to reject His heavenly meat and fountain of living waters???

The number of the beast is the imperfect number 6

The name of the beast is given in scripture

His name is given in both Hebrew and Greek

It is Abaddon-Apollyon [Revelation 9:11, 11:7, 17:8]

His number links him to satan and to the shell of the human little horn [king] which he will possess

6 satan

6 Abaddon-Apollyon

6 The little horn .... the man of lawlessness

Dear MMarc,

I believe you are right. I believe it is as simple as that. It is about greed/idolotry.

Col. 3:5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.

I also believe that is why the verse you posted with regard to 666 refers to money. It was a warning to not have a love of money.

Just examine Judas Iscariot.

Matthew 26:14 Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests 15 and said, "What are you willing to give me if I deliver Him to you?" And they counted out to him thirty pieces of silver. 16 So from that time he sought opportunity to betray Him.

John 12:4 But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, 5 "Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year's wages." 6 He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.


The betrayal came by way of the love of money.

In His Love,
Suzanne

I agree !

In Christ - Christ IN - M M

And I also agree. But don't let it end there; there is more, much more. Love of the knowledge of this world also, love of popularity, love of political power, love of war hero, love of food, love of fame (which may or may not include money) love of history and education, love of science and medicine, love of pastor's preachers priests, love of church, love of self...

It could go on and on and on. The two greatest commands are these:

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

I agree Selah, but with regard to this topic, "The Number of His Name", my focus was on the money(666)/greed issue....which was also the focus of Judas Iscariot.

In His Love,
Suzanne

NEVERMIND!!!

When someone tells you they are teaching the "deep" things that "shallow" Christians" can't grasp,

I advise considering the following:


Rev 2: 24

But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine,

and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak;

I will put upon you none other burden. KJV


“But I also have a message for the rest of you in Thyatira who have not followed this

false teaching (‘deeper truths,’ as they call them—depths of Satan, actually).

I will ask nothing more of you (NLT)

'But I say to you, the rest who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching,

who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them--

I place no other burden on you. NASB

Actually; the word mammon means this:
(Confidence ie; wealth personified) mammonas, ie avarice (deified)
Mamonas, is a common Aramaic word for 'riches' akin to the Hebrew word signifying "to be firm, steadfast" (whence "Amen") , hence "that which is to be trusted"

Now in Timothy the word used for money is avarice (which is pretty much the same as the Aramaic word mammon (mamonas) But let's get the meaning for avarice:

The Greek word is philarguria;
love of money; an avarice man is described in Strongs #5365 as miserly and stinting.

So again and once again it is not just money; it is anything held in value. The thread is about the number of the beast but it appears to me that none of us can even begin to know the number of the beast if we don't even agree what the beast is. I think most are trying to suit the prophecy to fit their situation; but we cannot do that. The reason Judas did what he did was because satan entered him and took over and Yahshua said to Judas to go and do it quickly; it was not that Judas valued money over our Messiah; it was the FACT that Judas valued *________* (fill in blank) over Yahshua.

Some people consider money as dung and hate it; but they have no regard for our Creator either; so that must be deduced to mean that it is whatever is held above God and revered instead of; be it a name, a number, or an image.

And anything one feels is not condusive to the topic here; may very well ignore. I consider all things condusive when we are discussing God's Word; therefore nothing should quickly be ruled out

And that is applied to whom? The topic? WW, me MM TSTH??? I would not call Biblical discussion as the depths of satan. I would call learning the ways of this world and the knowledge therein as depths of satan.

I could not agree more !

Now we need to make them "more" than just words on a page.

Love IN Christ - Christ IN - M M

Selah

I don't think the others were necesarrily leaving the other things out that you point out here. I think that they were taking one segment at a time. And viewing that segment. The "love of money" is the root of all evil. Money plays the role, by which the means brings about the end. In the case of Judas, it was "money". He "sold out" our Lord.

In the case of buisness, people sell their souls for positions, that most of the time bring about a greater amount of "money", or wealth.

Sometimes people sell their souls for greatness, and money is secondary. Usually because they are already rich. A lot of people who are wealthy, try to take advantage of other people. They use their postition of power to do this with. But almost all of the time, it is their wealth that makes this possible.

A great record within the Word of God, is about two who would not part with their wealth. It meant more to them than the well being of others who had a need. Their names were Ananias and Sapphira - husband and wife. They parted with a small amount, but "lied" about what they gave. They wanted to be looked at as one of the "givers" and "helpers". But lying was in them to hide the truth of their hearts. They had a "love for money". Did they give ? Yes ! But what was wrong with their giving ? The amount ? The answer to that is no ! They had it in their power to give all or give just some. But the problem was, that they wanted to lie about it. This is a love of money. Peter told them , you have not lied unto men, but unto God.

Yes, there are many types of things that pertain . But "money" and the love of money is the root of all evil. Will a poor man ever become President of the US ? No ! Was Obama rich ? No, but his campaigne brought in multi millions of dollars from those who wanted him to become President. The man Obama was "rich" in donations. A poor man will never become President. That is because he will not get the public notice because he is poor. And if no one financially backs him, he will never have enough money to be made known. Television is a root of all evil ! How can I say this, does not this contradict that money is the root of all evil ? NO, and here is why. Television is founded upon "money". Advertisment spots generate the money. Big corporations can only afford advertisment spots. Except certain local programing, which is cheeper. But it takes money to make money. But not with God ! God does not need money ,nor do believers need money. They need God, as their sufficency in all things. Work , yes, with your hands the things that are good. So that, you may give to those who have need. Notice, it does not say work so you can buy a big house. The Word tells us "work" so you can eat. Be content. Not striving about as others do, to strive for riches, or wealth. One can give of their time as well as their money. Money is not the 'only' way one can give. In some cases time is all a person can give. So be it !

The number 6 is the number for man . The 6-6-6 is money. The "money" is of this world. Not of God !

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and render unto God that which is God's. What is God's ? The answer is "Love" based upon the two great commandments.

The Word tells us, to be "good to all", but "especially unto the household of faith". The household of faith comes "first" and foremost ! Then be good to all.

Oprah has given millions of dollars to very poor children in very poor countries. Now she wants you to give as well as she has given. She is not saying give to me, but maybe she is saying give to these organizations which help these poor out.

I will tell you what you should do in this case. Send her a "penny" showing "her" Oprah, that you are giving an equivilant of her givinng. Do you not realize, that when Oprah gives like this, she makes a whole show about it. Do you not realize that the one hour show brings into her millions of dollars , or at least one million ? She uses her show to generate her giving by. And she is inspiring you to do likewise. I wonder how many millions she gave to Obama's campaigne . And why she didn't give it to the poor ? Interesting thought wouldn't you say ? I am not judging her or Obama, as I voted for him. But give her a penny , and also send Obama a penny and tell them that this is their worth value. Also tell them, that you give to God, rather than man for worldly idealisms. Remind Oprah and Obama that they used their "riches" to do and say what they claim is right. Both have a right to pronouce God being "first" in their lives, and set an example of putting God over country or over the poor of another country that will always be poor. Jesus Christ said,that we will always have the poor with us.

The key here is ---- "Love"

Love IN Christ - Christ IN - M M

"Meat" is when we DO the Word (walk according to the promises) (We believe God, not just believe IN Him )

Jesus said this about "meat" :

Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to accomplish his work.

C

It is good to see you posting once again "C". I truely mean that !

Love IN Christ - M M

Hi MM, and thank you
I am not able to stay logged in . I am busy changing servers. My server is wireless and they are doing something wrong, so I keep on getting kicked off by this forum. (My IP is changing every few seconds ! ) Today I heard that the new server is testing my area. I can only use wireless, because I in an area in the bush where there are no land-lines for telephones. Only mobile and wireless service. So when I an able to change, I will be able to post on a regular basis again. I am missing all of you.

C

Amen, also the cannot buy and sell thing is also a clue for me, you need currency (gold) to do that.

I believe this is why Jesus tells us to buy gold from Him, when He spoke about the Laodician church( those who say they are rich)...

C...I was having pro. to with my server! Glad to see you back!

Hugs!

Dear MMarc,

I always found it intriguing that the "666" number was only used in context of riches with regard to Solomon in Scripture. I absolutely think that it was pointedly used in that context as a clue for us to understand.


1 Kings 10:14 The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents,

2Ch 9:13 The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents,


(I know I'm being redundant, but I just wanted to stress that I don't believe it was by accident or without purpose that the number was used there.)

In His Love,
Suzanne

Great observance Suzanne !

It is like saying, you hit the nail on the head. Or , A home run !! And the fans went wild !!

IN Christ - M M

Hello Suzanne I actually believe that 666 is used more then just pertaining to riches I acually am sure it is used in other places but you gotta look really really hard

As stuudents of the word we must look at everything !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I will show you guys where you can find 666 in another place

answer the questions and you will find it

How tall was Goliath??????

How many weapons did Goliath have?????????

How much did Goliaths spear weigh??????????

LOL

Its not that we could not find them. - Now, the key is, what does it "represent" N M ?

IN Christ - M M

Well Goliath was "6" cubits tall

He carryed "6" weapons

And his spear weighed "6" hundred shekels

I see 666,,,,,,,but every student must decided is that a coincidence I believe not,,,,,Goliath came from a union between a fallen angels and human woman..The number of Satan is stamped all over this giant

I don't believe it is a coincidence either.

Now - the number of a "man" is 6

6 means - "completeness" or "man"

Applied appropraitely, reveals !

One deals with "highth"

Two of them, deals with "amount"

Nope, he was not born of a devil spirit !

IN Christ - M M

How many toes and fingers did this man of "great stature" have, in these verses ? The Giants son ! David's brother Jonathan slew him. There were "four" who were born of the giant in Gath.

II Samuel 21:20 - Read context

I Chronicles 20:6 - Read context

Love IN Christ - M M

Thanks MysteryMan.




In His Love,
Suzanne

Amen...and when we do Pride cometh before a fall, but the good news is, that if we are to walk as Christ walked, we as like Christ should like the good Samaritan reach out with a helping hand.

How many times we think we Stand only to fall...God does work best in our weaknesses.

Actually pride can be misconstrued. Here is a figurative example:
A person who clearly needs a coat-because they are cold and do not have one. Asks the Lord for a coat. Another person comes along and offers that person a coat and the person say's no thanks, you just keep your coat for yourself.

Who is the one bearing pride?

I have the math on Goliath.....shall we look at it???? and see just how big this giant was????????Then you can go anywhere you would like and see if you can find a man in this stature......

So Goliath had six weapons, and a spear with the head weighing six hundred shekels of iron. The number of Satan is stamped all over this giant. This spear of Goliath would be approximately twenty six feet long. When Goliath went to battle he carried about two hundred and seventy three pounds of armor on his person, with another person by his side to protect those places where he could become blind sided.

And his brother was bigger,,,,try and tell me this giant came from a regular man and a regular woman.....

yep , he did !

Genesis 6:1 "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,"

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

The "sons of God" are angelic beings, or angels, and their offspring are called "the Nephilim". These angelic beings, or angels saw the daughters of men were beautiful. These are the fallen angels of Jude 6, who followed Satan in his fall in the "world that was", which is the first earth age. Jude 6 reads; "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The protection, or power of authority Paul warned against was from the angels. Though many translate this covering to be "hair", however, it should be veil. That veil is the "Holy Spirit". Because in the latter days it is going to be just as it was in the days of Noah, and friend we are in the latter days. If both Jesus and Paul warned the Christians to be alert of this fact, we had better be alert of it.

Genesis 6:3 "And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

The giants are the Nephilim, or those offspring of the marriage between the fallen angels, and the daughters of men. Who could that be, you may ask? The progeny of any sexual relationship is children, or descendants. These children, or offspring from the angelic relationships were misfits. They were deformed giants.

What has happen mystery man is you have not studied the word like I have,,,, thus you are out of intellegent things to add to the conversation,,,not that you had much to begin with anyway......

Nope !

The sons of God, were the offspring of Seth. One thing I will not do, that you do all the time, is to privately interpret the Word of God !

The daughters of men, were the daughters of Cain.

See ? No private interpretation whatsoever ! Why can't you do this as well ?

IN Christ - M M

So the sons of God were the offspring of Seth?????????? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You gotta be kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol

O my,,,,,,,, your light is indeed very dim......

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

so your saying that the offspring of Seth were running aroungd with satan?????????? lol what a nub

not to mention that humans cant look at God,,,,so how could the sons of God present themselfs to the ord if there human like you say????


So how was your human offspring able to look upon God?????????

When the bible cleary states

John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time

Dude im making you look very stupid!!!!!and 1

The daughters of men were daughters of Cain? Gosh, I can't find that anywhere.

The sons of God were the offspring of Seth? Gosh, I can't find that anywhere either.

I suppose because you don't have "any private interpretation WHATSOEVER" that my Bible must be missing some scripture

Oh...I forgot. According to you, "The Written Word is Secondary to that of a man of God." I guess you aren't interpreting but are writing your own.