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~Selah~
John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Below is a depiction of the (earthly) Temple Solomon built. Carefully take notice of the important places within and without the Temple with respect to our body now being a temple:

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?



If we are taught to look for a temple to be rebuilt; then were are not only forgetting what Messiah said here:
John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
(He was talking about His Body)

So how can we understand heavenly things (spiritual things) if we cannot get past understanding earthly things? It is not that we disregard or cast off the earthly things; we are to move forward in understanding these things to the wisdom and understanding of the spiritual things and heavenly things. That is why we read:
Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Spirit of prophecy=heavenly things. Now we can undertand what is happening in the earth, when we see and hear what the "Spirit" is saying. If all things are literal and/or earthly regarding Revelation; then why would only an "elect" not be deceived? Everyone can see literal and earthly things, but only elect people's can see and understand heavenly things.
freedom
Thank you for sharing this. It gives me something to think about, for sure!
~Selah~
QUOTE (freedom @ Nov 7 2008, 03:26 PM) *
Thank you for sharing this. It gives me something to think about, for sure!


You're very welcome! It also has helped me to see what was the blueprint of the heavenly Temple...I don't fully understand it all; but like you, we're getting there and with the help that was promised long ago:

Psalm 86:17
Shew me a token for good; that they which hate me may see it, and be ashamed: because thou, LORD, hast holpen me, and comforted me.

Daniel 11:34
Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

We could never get through this time without His guidance and help, whether that comes by revelation or whether it comes through His servants, we should all be joyful and praising Him smile.gif
2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
believeHim
First the natural, then the spiritual. The word describes several things in the natural and the spiritual understanding is sometimes made clear, but often times it has to be "dug" for. Examples: oil in your lamp, trimming your wick; white washing the outside; condition of the soil; sowing seed; the clay and the potter, etc. (see the parables!)

I like looking at the truths, or absolutes that are found in our everyday life, and searching out the spiritual truths. Some I have found in the natural are: tossing a pebble into the lake, watching the ripples grow and grow, til they reach the shore-the light of the moon, its reflection of the light of the sun. How it waxes and wanes just like the visible believer & the church.-shooting stars how they are rare and thrilling to see, but you gotta be patient and keep your eye on the sky to catch a glimpse.-how when you are in a bright light for a long time, and walk out of the light its so hard to see anything until away from it for a while, then you can see clearer what is in the dark.

I would love to hear what others have gleaned from life. God is so good to teach us in so many ways.

Thanks for the Temple example, i see a lot of the spiritual in the natural structure! Awesome lesson.
believeHim
This site includes the same temple diagram and a description, as well as some other nuggets to learn from.

http://www.templemount.org/badillo/index.html smile.gif
cizz
Selah,

Awesome post, thank you so much!


Many blessings'
Cizz
Mysteryman
Seek and you shall find !

Don't seek, and you shall not find (blind) !

It really is that simple .

Put your hands side by side , palms up. Consider your left hand the old covenant, and your right hand the new covenant.

Your right hand is a mirror image of your left hand. The first last, and the last first.

The same holds true throughout the "whole" Word of God !

While here on earth, Jesus walked on land, and walked on water. When he comes back with the saints, He puts one foot on the land, and the other foot on water.

There are two churches 1. building and 2. body and they are mirror images of each other.

Similar with reversals. Christ as the head, and Christ as the chief corner stone.

He is said to be , according to the scriptures, "the head of the corner"

The principle, that the two shall become one.

The building deals with wisdom and knowledge, the body deals with fellowship.

The wisdom and knowledge is "given" unto the body.

So that there will be "Unity"

If I believe one thing, and you believe another, or to say differntly. There is "No Unity" ! That is why we have "division" within denominations !

Not only within denominations, but any group of people who claim christianity as their belief. The work of the adversary of God is to "cause" division , by causing confusion and dissention among the saints.

The way in which the adversary can cause dissention and confusion , which will bring about division, is by false teachings !

You believe one thing, this person believes another, and this other person believes something totally different. = division !

That is why, if I myself, or anyone else who teaches, can not look and see the things that God has made, how can they say that they see the spiritual, when they do not even consider the things that God has made ?

Spiritual, yes, spiritual confusion !

The adversary entices you to believe a lie ! By encouraging you to look away from the earthly things that God made !

How many trees did God make ? If you say , more than two, you are in error ! Only a leaf tree and a needle tree , is the correct answer. Even with this simplicity, the adversary can deceive you !

Just take your eyes off of the truth, and then you will be deceived !

God made fruit that has seed of itself, while also , he made fruit that does not have seed of itself ! Fruit that has seed of itself is reproductive. The seed "must" be planted into the earth. A tree that produces fruit that has seed of itself, is male gender. The "earth" is where you "plant" that seed. The earth is a "she", and it brings forth ! It "brings forth" seed of its own kind. An orange has seed of itslef, thus it is reproductive. A bannana does not ! Both are leaf trees, and not needle trees, which do not have "any" fruit of itself. They have "seed" of themselves, but no fruit.

The bannana tree is female gender. Why ? Because it has fruit, but no seed of itself. < Represents the woman
The orange tree is male gender. Why ? Because it has fruit, and it has seed of itself. < Represents the man

The serpent has seed, but no fruit -- The needle tree < Represents the Devil (father of lies )

The needle tree can only produce that which it is ! The leaf tree that bears fruit, can only produce that which it is !

Both have seed !

But the seed of the serpent can only produce that which he is - a liar ! The needle tree is not eatable, because it does not bear any fruit. Its seed drops to the gound, and its needles are very, very acidic. Which means - that it opposes itself ! Don't believe me, look it up !!

There are two kinds of leaf trees, those that bear fruit and those that do not. Just like there are two types of people in this world. Those that bear fruit, and those that do not. There is also another kind of person in this world, a third kind, and they are of the needle tree. They are of the Devil. They oppose themselves, and believe and act upon the lies that he feeds them.

I am just touching the tip of the iceburg here.

How can you say , that you see the spiritual, when in fact you do not understand the things that are earthly ??

Love IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 12 2008, 09:32 AM) *
Seek and you shall find !

Don't seek, and you shall not find (blind) !

It really is that simple .

Put your hands side by side , palms up. Consider your left hand the old covenant, and your right hand the new covenant.

Your right hand is a mirror image of your left hand. The first last, and the last first.

The same holds true throughout the "whole" Word of God !

While here on earth, Jesus walked on land, and walked on water. When he comes back with the saints, He puts one foot on the land, and the other foot on water.

There are two churches 1. building and 2. body and they are mirror images of each other.

Similar with reversals. Christ as the head, and Christ as the chief corner stone.

He is said to be , according to the scriptures, "the head of the corner"

The principle, that the two shall become one.

The building deals with wisdom and knowledge, the body deals with fellowship.

The wisdom and knowledge is "given" unto the body.

So that there will be "Unity"

If I believe one thing, and you believe another, or to say differntly. There is "No Unity" ! That is why we have "division" within denominations !

Not only within denominations, but any group of people who claim christianity as their belief. The work of the adversary of God is to "cause" division , by causing confusion and dissention among the saints.

The way in which the adversary can cause dissention and confusion , which will bring about division, is by false teachings !

You believe one thing, this person believes another, and this other person believes something totally different. = division !

That is why, if I myself, or anyone else who teaches, can not look and see the things that God has made, how can they say that they see the spiritual, when they do not even consider the things that God has made ?

Spiritual, yes, spiritual confusion !

The adversary entices you to believe a lie ! By encouraging you to look away from the earthly things that God made !

How many trees did God make ? If you say , more than two, you are in error ! Only a leaf tree and a needle tree , is the correct answer. Even with this simplicity, the adversary can deceive you !

Just take your eyes off of the truth, and then you will be deceived !

God made fruit that has seed of itself, while also , he made fruit that does not have seed of itself ! Fruit that has seed of itself is reproductive. The seed "must" be planted into the earth. A tree that produces fruit that has seed of itself, is male gender. The "earth" is where you "plant" that seed. The earth is a "she", and it brings forth ! It "brings forth" seed of its own kind. An orange has seed of itslef, thus it is reproductive. A bannana does not ! Both are leaf trees, and not needle trees, which do not have "any" fruit of itself. They have "seed" of themselves, but no fruit.

The bannana tree is female gender. Why ? Because it has fruit, but no seed of itself. < Represents the woman
The orange tree is male gender. Why ? Because it has fruit, and it has seed of itself. < Represents the man

The serpent has seed, but no fruit -- The needle tree < Represents the Devil (father of lies )

The needle tree can only produce that which it is ! The leaf tree that bears fruit, can only produce that which it is !

Both have seed !

But the seed of the serpent can only produce that which he is - a liar ! The needle tree is not eatable, because it does not bear any fruit. Its seed drops to the gound, and its needles are very, very acidic. Which means - that it opposes itself ! Don't believe me, look it up !!

There are two kinds of leaf trees, those that bear fruit and those that do not. Just like there are two types of people in this world. Those that bear fruit, and those that do not. There is also another kind of person in this world, a third kind, and they are of the needle tree. They are of the Devil. They oppose themselves, and believe and act upon the lies that he feeds them.

I am just touching the tip of the iceburg here.

How can you say , that you see the spiritual, when in fact you do not understand the things that are earthly ??

Love IN Christ - Christ IN - M M








(quote, MM)
Put your hands side by side , palms up. Consider your left hand the old covenant, and your right hand the new covenant.

Your right hand is a mirror image of your left hand. The first last, and the last first.



Thank you, MM :

And I consider my left hand indeed the Old Covenant, due to the left hand being the RECEIVING.

And the right hand, is the New Testament = GIVING


We received ( the left/Old Testament ) . . . and we LEFT the Old Testament nailed to the Cross.

We were given the right/New Testament, in the full-fill-ment of Christ on the Cross.


Interesting, parallel !
cizz
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 7 2008, 04:18 PM) *
John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Below is a depiction of the (earthly) Temple Solomon built. Carefully take notice of the important places within and without the Temple with respect to our body now being a temple:

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?



If we are taught to look for a temple to be rebuilt; then were are not only forgetting what Messiah said here:
John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
(He was talking about His Body)

So how can we understand heavenly things (spiritual things) if we cannot get past understanding earthly things? It is not that we disregard or cast off the earthly things; we are to move forward in understanding these things to the wisdom and understanding of the spiritual things and heavenly things. That is why we read:
Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Spirit of prophecy=heavenly things. Now we can undertand what is happening in the earth, when we see and hear what the "Spirit" is saying. If all things are literal and/or earthly regarding Revelation; then why would only an "elect" not be deceived? Everyone can see literal and earthly things, but only elect people's can see and understand heavenly things.



The image of temple man...has no outer ears...words filter in to the cap...evening' to one side, morning' to one side of the head...Six days crown the top of the head... It hears in a balance' , even measure'....the left side works with the right side in order to stand level'...six across and one divided...both halves of the one placed at each side of the head to level... 3 and a Half and 3 and Half to the center...

Many blessings'
Cizz
gregg
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 7 2008, 03:18 PM) *
John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Below is a depiction of the (earthly) Temple Solomon built. Carefully take notice of the important places within and without the Temple with respect to our body now being a temple:

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?



If we are taught to look for a temple to be rebuilt; then were are not only forgetting what Messiah said here:
John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
(He was talking about His Body)

So how can we understand heavenly things (spiritual things) if we cannot get past understanding earthly things? It is not that we disregard or cast off the earthly things; we are to move forward in understanding these things to the wisdom and understanding of the spiritual things and heavenly things. That is why we read:
Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Spirit of prophecy=heavenly things. Now we can undertand what is happening in the earth, when we see and hear what the "Spirit" is saying. If all things are literal and/or earthly regarding Revelation; then why would only an "elect" not be deceived? Everyone can see literal and earthly things, but only elect people's can see and understand heavenly things.


We now see what the earthly building temple is and by the representation of it, we see what the different aspects inside of it are. But, what flashed into my mind looking at the picture was the first chapter of Ezekiel.

Now, my mind flashes 'ribs.' Looking at the figure and #6. Bring in Genesis and Adam. Take away one of the 'ribs' and fashion a woman and bring it back.

Now, it is #5, the incense altar. The heart.

Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

I equate the incense altar as being the heart and the smoke being the blood. And I feel the plagues are in the blood.

That makes my mind flash Joel. The army of God. And what do I think that is? The bacteria.

The least shall become the greatest.
~Selah~
QUOTE (gregg @ Nov 14 2008, 08:01 AM) *
We now see what the earthly building temple is and by the representation of it, we see what the different aspects inside of it are. But, what flashed into my mind looking at the picture was the first chapter of Ezekiel.

Now, my mind flashes 'ribs.' Looking at the figure and #6. Bring in Genesis and Adam. Take away one of the 'ribs' and fashion a woman and bring it back.

Now, it is #5, the incense altar. The heart.

Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

I equate the incense altar as being the heart and the smoke being the blood. And I feel the plagues are in the blood.

That makes my mind flash Joel. The army of God. And what do I think that is? The bacteria.

The least shall become the greatest.


ohmy.gif I'm going to have to really think about what you're saying. It makes sense Scripturally that is for sure.

What you said about the ribs (which in the figure are candlesticks) also reminded me of:
Daniel 7:5
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

A few years ago I attended a lecture about natural cures for cancer over things like chemotherapy. The person doing the lecture was very detailed in explaining how our blood cells are and what they do. He talked about cancer and how it attacks the white blood cells-which normally can ward off certain bacteria and viruses-because they are like soldiers-that is exactly what the lecturer said verbatim. Then he talked about how cancer takes that soldier cell and makes it stronger but the soldier which nomally 'protects' the body and fights for it, becomes the destroyer of the body-the result we call- cancer sad.gif
gregg
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 10:34 PM) *
QUOTE (gregg @ Nov 14 2008, 08:01 AM) *
We now see what the earthly building temple is and by the representation of it, we see what the different aspects inside of it are. But, what flashed into my mind looking at the picture was the first chapter of Ezekiel.

Now, my mind flashes 'ribs.' Looking at the figure and #6. Bring in Genesis and Adam. Take away one of the 'ribs' and fashion a woman and bring it back.

Now, it is #5, the incense altar. The heart.

Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

I equate the incense altar as being the heart and the smoke being the blood. And I feel the plagues are in the blood.

That makes my mind flash Joel. The army of God. And what do I think that is? The bacteria.

The least shall become the greatest.


ohmy.gif I'm going to have to really think about what you're saying. It makes sense Scripturally that is for sure.

What you said about the ribs (which in the figure are candlesticks) also reminded me of:
Daniel 7:5
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

A few years ago I attended a lecture about natural cures for cancer over things like chemotherapy. The person doing the lecture was very detailed in explaining how our blood cells are and what they do. He talked about cancer and how it attacks the white blood cells-which normally can ward off certain bacteria and viruses-because they are like soldiers-that is exactly what the lecturer said verbatim. Then he talked about how cancer takes that soldier cell and makes it stronger but the soldier which nomally 'protects' the body and fights for it, becomes the destroyer of the body-the result we call- cancer sad.gif


Excellent! Absolutely! Now, bring the definition of Pharmacoia in the Greek! And go to the bible and see where that is used!
gregg
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