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~Selah~
Oh my goodness you guys! I am up at 4 am and it hit me about the seven mountains upon which the woman sitteth.
Revelation 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

A while back I happened to be in the local public library and they were having a book sale. Well anyway, I happened to find a very thick book called Rabbinic Anthology there. I don't know why I bought it but I did and anyway it's been one of the two books under my pc monitor (to make it taller) and I just grabbed it and looked up "holy place" with this passage in mind:
Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) *same sort of reference to wisdom as in Rev 17:9*

Here is what our wise Jewish/Hebrew elders say about the Seven Divisions/mountains or hills:
I will quote directly from the book:

*The Seven Divisions, counting downward, are therefore designated as*
1. Presence
2. Courts
3. House
4. Tent
5. Holy Hill
6. Hill of the Lord
7. Holy Place

We all know the woman/harlot is associated and even exalted by the beast in Rev 13. He/it is the one with the seven heads and each of the seven heads of his have the woman seated/throned; however one of the heads was wounded to death or atleast appeared as such to John:
Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Anyway..I really thought this insight might just assist our discovery of the beast, woman and seven mountains etc..After all, we are advised to have a mind of wisdom:
Job 28:28
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Notice after Yahshua say's when you see the abomination of desolation..." He gives 3 places/scenerios and say's "flee" ie; depart. And then there is a woe.

Any other insight you guys might see in this or have to share would be much appreciated and valued.
Much love in Yahshua,
Selah~
Stephen
You are on the right track, but stick to the scriptures

The symbol of the "mountain" in visionary prophecy is almost in all cases the description of kingdom

The "woman" [MBG] is the symbol of the condition of intransigent unbelieving humanity connected with the kingdom

This condition "sits" upon the unbelieving human inhabitants who reside in the extents of the kingdom

The 7 "mountains" are the 7 kingdoms [heads] of satan's beast included in the scope of the vision

Satan's beast from the abyss is the fallen angelic Abaddon-Apollyon

His is of all 7 kingdoms because he rules over them for satan

He will hold the 8th king position himself when he incarnates the shell of the human king, Daniel's human little horn, king of the northern Middle East who will hold both the 6th and the 7th human king positions

Five of these have fallen, one is [at the beginning of the tribulation period], and the other ... the final

These are all Middle Eastern empires .... not other human kingdoms on the earth of satan's design

These Middle Eastern dominions are symbolized in Daniel and Revelation with the trappings of the lion, bear, and leopard .... these were three of the beast's kingdoms of the ancient past

Satan has and does rule over many others .... he is the god of the intransigent world and the condition of "woman" is present in all of them

She is Mystery Babylon the Great [as revealed by the Lord in Revelation 17 and 18] ... and she will have a great city part at the time of the end

We know who the five fallen of his Middle Eastern kingdoms were .... the Bible tells us and recorded history is in agreement

The scriptures do not name the next two .... both are future kingdoms of the beast that will be located in the Middle East

However, the scriptures do define the human inhabitants


Revelation
9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


Rabbinical orthodox Judaism does not recognize any part of the N.T. including Revelation as being divinely inspired

Neither do these have a complete understanding of the Lord's Word since they reject His claim to be the Son of God

Also, When the Lord tells those to flee when they see the abomination of desolation He is speaking to the believing remnant part of national Israel who will be located in Israel [Judea] at the time of the end [Zechariah 14:4-5] [Matthew 24:15-16] [Revelation 12:6,14]
~Selah~
QUOTE (Stephen @ Nov 7 2008, 06:03 AM) *
You are on the right track, but stick to the scriptures


Thank you Stephen and that is exactly what I did and-it is good to be reminded all the time to keep it in the Word and Source smile.gif




*The Seven Divisions, counting downward, are therefore designated as*
1. Presence-Luke 1:19
And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

2. Courts-Psalm 96:8
Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name: bring an offering, and come into his courts.

3. House-1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

4. Tent-Jeremiah 10:20
My tabernacle is spoiled, and all my cords are broken: my children are gone forth of me, and they are not: there is none to stretch forth my tent any more, and to set up my curtains.

5. Holy Hill-Psalm 2:6
Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

6. Hill of the Lord-Psalm 24:3
Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?

7. Holy Place-Hebrews 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Again we are reminded in Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

The holy place is where our atonement for sin is and also I found this passage quite interesting as well:
Hebrews 9:24
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

What I'm studying to understand; is what Yahshua is telling us in Matthew 24:15. Perhaps we cannot know what the abomination which maketh desolate is; but if we know what the holy place is and who ought to be there; then we might understand what ought not be there. Whew! This is deep meat for sure. Anyone else studying this?
Stephen
I must say this:

The 7 mountains are presented as 7 human kingdoms of the beast

They are his because he rules then for the dragon .... satan

He is not a human, but the kings of the kingdoms noted in the scriptures are composed of humans

There are 7 human king "positions" related to the 7 human kingdoms [dominions] presented

All of these particular kingdoms of humanity are Middle Eastern

Satan has and does have others on the earth

Five of these 7 are historical according to scripture and we know them by recorded history as well

You need to identify them .... and this is possible

The final two are still in our immediate future and these will be present in succession during the tribulation period that is coming

Keep in mind that rabbinical teaching is limited because orthodox Judaism has not been enlightened by the Lord .... these are still in unbelief to this very day

The Lord tracks time lapse on the earth by presenting particular subjects of focus in the scriptures and the scope includes national Israel and certain human kingdoms in contrast .... those who reside in the Middle East where the land of Israel is located
~Selah~
QUOTE (Stephen @ Nov 14 2008, 06:35 AM) *
I must say this:

The 7 mountains are presented as 7 human kingdoms of the beast

They are his because he rules then for the dragon .... satan

He is not a human, but the kings of the kingdoms noted in the scriptures are composed of humans

There are 7 human king "positions" related to the 7 human kingdoms [dominions] presented

All of these particular kingdoms of humanity are Middle Eastern

Satan has and does have others on the earth

Five of these 7 are historical according to scripture and we know them by recorded history as well

You need to identify them .... and this is possible

The final two are still in our immediate future and these will be present in succession during the tribulation period that is coming

Keep in mind that rabbinical teaching is limited because orthodox Judaism has not been enlightened by the Lord .... these are still in unbelief to this very day

The Lord tracks time lapse on the earth by presenting particular subjects of focus in the scriptures and the scope includes national Israel and certain human kingdoms in contrast .... those who reside in the Middle East where the land of Israel is located


Just a thought here...been thinking a lot and I saw a connection; yet I can't seem to explain it as well as I'd like to, I think you'll understand...

The seven churches in the beginning of the book of Revelation we can easily read are pagan; yet at the same time, they are also believers in Jesus Christ, there are a few things He has against them, things they need to repent of, teachings they need to remove, or even teachers/prophetesses etc...but for the most part, they remain faithful to the Lamb. What I wanted to specifically point out is this:

Revelation 2:13
I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.


Revelation 13:2
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.


So we have 7 churches; 7 mountains which are 7 heads but then there is an 8th of the 7, could this be the Harlot/Mystery Babylon=her being the 8th church of the 7 mentioned in the beginning of Revelation? I'm really having a hard time finding words to help explain. I'm sort of hoping someone with wisdom will help? Please smile.gif
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