John 5:24
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come to judgement, but 'has passed' from death into life."
"Truly, I tell all of you with certainty, whoever hears what I say and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged, but 'has passed' from death to life."
John 5:27
"and he has given him authority to judge, because he is the Son of Man"
"and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man."
"He has also given the Son authority to pass judgment because he is the Son of Man."
Define:
{Pass}
pass² Definition
pass (pas, päs)
intransitive verb
to go or move forward, through, or out
to extend; lead a road passing around the hill
to be handed on or circulated from person to person
to go, change, or be conveyed from one place, form, condition, circumstance, possession, etc. to another
to be spoken or exchanged between persons, as greetings
to cease; come to an end: often with away the fever passed
to go away; depart
to die: now usually with away or on
to go by; move by or past
to slip by or elapse an hour passed
to get or make a way: with through or by
to go, take place, or be accepted without question, dispute, or challenge
to gain acceptance as a member of a group by assuming an identity with it in denial of one's ancestry, background, etc.
to be sanctioned, ratified, or approved by some authority, as a legislative body
to go through a trial, test, examination, or course of study successfully; satisfy given requirements or standards
to be barely acceptable as a substitute
to happen; take place; occur
to sit in inquest or judgment
to give a judgment, opinion, or sentence; decide (on or upon a matter)
to be rendered or pronounced the judgment passed against us
to be expelled, as from the bowels
Card Games to decline, when it is one's turn, a chance to bid, play a round, etc.
Craps to make a winning throw (of the dice) in craps
Sports to attempt or complete a pass of the ball, puck, etc.
Etymology: ME passen < OFr passer < VL *passare < L passus, a step: see pace
transitive verb
to go by, beyond, past, over, or through; specif.,
to leave behind to pass others in a race
to undergo; experience: usually with through
to go by without noticing; disregard; ignore to pass one's bus stop
☆ to omit the payment of (a regular dividend)
to go through (a trial, test, examination, course of study, etc.) successfully; satisfy the requirements or standards of
to go beyond or above the powers or limits of; surpass; excel
Archaic to cross; traverse
to cause or allow to go, move, or proceed; specif.,
to send; dispatch
to cause to move in a certain way; direct the movement of to pass a comb through one's hair
to guide into position to pass a rope around a stake
to cause to go through, or penetrate
to cause to move past to pass troops in review
to cause or allow to get by an obstacle, obstruction, etc.
to cause or allow to stand approved; ratify; sanction; enact; approve
to cause or allow to go through an examination, test, etc. successfully
to allow to go by or elapse; spend: often with away to pass a pleasant hour
to discharge or expel from the bowels, bladder, etc.; excrete; void
☆ Baseball to walk (a batter)
to cause to move from place to place or person to person; transport or transmit; specif.,
to hand to another pass the salt
to cause to be in circulation to pass a bad check
to hand, throw, or hit (a ball, puck, etc.) from one player to another
to hit a tennis ball past (an opponent) so as to score a point
Rare to pledge
to pronounce or give (an opinion or judgment)
to utter (a remark)
to manipulate (cards, etc.) or trick (a person), as by sleight of hand
noun
an act of passing; passage
the successful completion of a scholastic course or examination, esp. if without honors
a mark, etc. indicating this
{Execute}
ex·ecute (ek′si kyo̵̅o̅t′)
transitive verb executed -·cut′·ed, executing -·cut′·ing
to follow out or carry out; do; perform; fulfill to execute another's orders
to carry into effect; administer (laws, etc.)
to put to death as in accordance with a legally imposed sentence
to create or produce in accordance with an idea, plan, blueprint, etc. to execute a statue in marble
to perform (a piece of music, a part in a play, etc.)
Comput. to perform the operations indicated in (an instruction or program)
Law to complete or make valid (a deed, contract, etc.) as by signing, sealing, and delivering
Etymology: ME executen < OFr executer, back-form. < executeur: see executor
Which of these meanings for the verbs' (actions), fits the 'Authority' (power) given to the Son?
And remember!
John 5:22
"The Father judges no one, but has given all authority to judge to the Son," <<<<<(The Father passed the power)
John 8:15
You are judging by human standards, but I am not judging anyone.<<<<<<<<(The Son follows in the Father's actions)
Full Version: Created In The Image Of__________? (what?)
John 20:21
Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. Just as the Father has sent me, so I am sending you."
Son's instructions before you go out!
John 12:47
"If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not condemn him, because I did not come to condemn the world but to save it."
"If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world."
Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. Just as the Father has sent me, so I am sending you."
Son's instructions before you go out!
John 12:47
"If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not condemn him, because I did not come to condemn the world but to save it."
"If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world."
Who is the judge'?
You have heard 'from the beginning'
Is your creator, nothing more than a Judge'
If so, are you that image?
This is good'
This is Bad'
This is greater'
This is lesser'
???????????????????????????
You have heard 'from the beginning'
Is your creator, nothing more than a Judge'
If so, are you that image?
This is good'
This is Bad'
This is greater'
This is lesser'
???????????????????????????
God does still bring specific judgments !
excerpt:
http://www.thirdmill.org/answers/answer.as...tions/site/iiim
Answer
In the New Testament era, God does still bring specific judgments upon certain cultures and behaviors. He does not reserve all temporal judgment until the final judgment.
One good proof of this is James instruction regarding prayers and anointing for those who are sick (Jam. 5:14-16). James' argument assumes that the sickness might be caused by sin, or rather given to the person in response to his sin. James also teaches that by intercession and confession the person can be forgiven of the sin and cured of the illness. If this takes place even in the case of believers, who receive more of God's mercy than anyone else receives, it stands to reason that it also applies among unbelievers.
The author of Hebrews confirms this idea when he writes that God disciplines those whom he loves (Heb. 12). Even believers experience temporal discipline, which is a form of judgment. For us, these judgments are only temporal. We will suffer no eternal judgments. However, our discipline can be very painful. Aids and death from the hand of God can strike us as quickly as it strikes others.
Perhaps the most direct example, however, can be found in the death of Herod (Acts 12:23). Herod was punished with death for failing to give glory to God. Likewise, Ananias and Sapphira met immediate deaths in the New Testament church for lying to God (Acts 5:1ff.).
The Bible also threatens corporate judgments against the churches in Revelation 2-3, such as the removal of their lampstands. Beyond this, we can look at church discipline as a form of divine judgment, since it is done with God's authority (1 Cor. 5:3-5). And the same can be said even of civil judgments (Rom. 13:1-4; 1 Pet. 2:13-14).
Then, too, insofar as we believe that God can protect us from those who would harm us, we imply a belief that he can do so forcibly when necessary, and that those who would oppose us have reason to fear (e.g., Acts 5:5,11). In the New Testament just as in the Old Testament, God is our warrior who defends us (e.g., "I am with you" in Acts 18:9-10, which is military language meaning "I will fight for you"). And his is able and willing to use many different means to do this.
excerpt:
http://www.thirdmill.org/answers/answer.as...tions/site/iiim
Answer
In the New Testament era, God does still bring specific judgments upon certain cultures and behaviors. He does not reserve all temporal judgment until the final judgment.
One good proof of this is James instruction regarding prayers and anointing for those who are sick (Jam. 5:14-16). James' argument assumes that the sickness might be caused by sin, or rather given to the person in response to his sin. James also teaches that by intercession and confession the person can be forgiven of the sin and cured of the illness. If this takes place even in the case of believers, who receive more of God's mercy than anyone else receives, it stands to reason that it also applies among unbelievers.
The author of Hebrews confirms this idea when he writes that God disciplines those whom he loves (Heb. 12). Even believers experience temporal discipline, which is a form of judgment. For us, these judgments are only temporal. We will suffer no eternal judgments. However, our discipline can be very painful. Aids and death from the hand of God can strike us as quickly as it strikes others.
Perhaps the most direct example, however, can be found in the death of Herod (Acts 12:23). Herod was punished with death for failing to give glory to God. Likewise, Ananias and Sapphira met immediate deaths in the New Testament church for lying to God (Acts 5:1ff.).
The Bible also threatens corporate judgments against the churches in Revelation 2-3, such as the removal of their lampstands. Beyond this, we can look at church discipline as a form of divine judgment, since it is done with God's authority (1 Cor. 5:3-5). And the same can be said even of civil judgments (Rom. 13:1-4; 1 Pet. 2:13-14).
Then, too, insofar as we believe that God can protect us from those who would harm us, we imply a belief that he can do so forcibly when necessary, and that those who would oppose us have reason to fear (e.g., Acts 5:5,11). In the New Testament just as in the Old Testament, God is our warrior who defends us (e.g., "I am with you" in Acts 18:9-10, which is military language meaning "I will fight for you"). And his is able and willing to use many different means to do this.
Judging:
The judgement given to Jesus Christ the Son of God:
We read - that "all" judgement has been given unto him.
But what judgement ?
It says - "all"
But is it 1. all without exception or is it 2. all with distinction ?
The answer is # 2.
Jesus Christ is going to judge all those who are unrighteous.
Always look for the "two" and then look for its application.
The Word tells us, that the saints will judge the angels. So we "know" that Christ's judgement is not to judge the angels.
Love IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
The judgement given to Jesus Christ the Son of God:
We read - that "all" judgement has been given unto him.
But what judgement ?
It says - "all"
But is it 1. all without exception or is it 2. all with distinction ?
The answer is # 2.
Jesus Christ is going to judge all those who are unrighteous.
Always look for the "two" and then look for its application.
The Word tells us, that the saints will judge the angels. So we "know" that Christ's judgement is not to judge the angels.
Love IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
The saints judge the world and the angels - I Corinth. 6:2 & 3
The saints are "IN Christ" the "Last Adam" - Christ Jesus = Judge the world
And "we" judge the angels.
Love IN Christ - Christ IN - MM
The saints are "IN Christ" the "Last Adam" - Christ Jesus = Judge the world
And "we" judge the angels.
Love IN Christ - Christ IN - MM
Thank so much Betty and MM
Discernment requires no words'
Judging and discerning are two different actions' (one destorys and one doesn't)
Jesus passed' the baton to Us' (to me' and to you') just as it was passed' to him, with this baton we' (you and me, all of us) recieved the authority, the power to condemn' or to save'. The power is your's, learn to use it, if you are in the image of Life' {a Creator}, then you are Fiat', your every thought, your every word, your every action, your heart's desire, will be manifested into form.
What does your heart desire? What do you pray for?
Do I say "I am good?" "or bad?"
'I SAY nothing'....discernment requires no words
Many blessings
Cizz
Discernment requires no words'
Judging and discerning are two different actions' (one destorys and one doesn't)
Jesus passed' the baton to Us' (to me' and to you') just as it was passed' to him, with this baton we' (you and me, all of us) recieved the authority, the power to condemn' or to save'. The power is your's, learn to use it, if you are in the image of Life' {a Creator}, then you are Fiat', your every thought, your every word, your every action, your heart's desire, will be manifested into form.
What does your heart desire? What do you pray for?
Do I say "I am good?" "or bad?"
'I SAY nothing'....discernment requires no words
Many blessings
Cizz
QUOTE (cizz @ Nov 6 2008, 02:29 PM) 
Thank so much Betty and MM
Discernment requires no words'
Judging and discerning are two different actions' (one destorys and one doesn't)
Jesus passed' the baton to Us' (to me' and to you') just as it was passed' to him, with this baton we' (you and me, all of us) recieved the authority, the power to condemn' or to save'. The power is your's, learn to use it, if you are in the image of Life' {a Creator}, then you are Fiat', your every thought, your every word, your every action, your heart's desire, will be manifested into form.
What does your heart desire? What do you pray for?
Do I say "I am good?" "or bad?"
'I SAY nothing'....discernment requires no words
Many blessings
Cizz
Discernment requires no words'
Judging and discerning are two different actions' (one destorys and one doesn't)
Jesus passed' the baton to Us' (to me' and to you') just as it was passed' to him, with this baton we' (you and me, all of us) recieved the authority, the power to condemn' or to save'. The power is your's, learn to use it, if you are in the image of Life' {a Creator}, then you are Fiat', your every thought, your every word, your every action, your heart's desire, will be manifested into form.
What does your heart desire? What do you pray for?
Do I say "I am good?" "or bad?"
'I SAY nothing'....discernment requires no words
Many blessings
Cizz
Wonderful inspiring words, sister !
QUOTE (cizz @ Nov 6 2008, 01:29 PM)
Thank so much Betty and MM
Discernment requires no words'
Judging and discerning are two different actions' (one destorys and one doesn't)
Jesus passed' the baton to Us' (to me' and to you') just as it was passed' to him, with this baton we' (you and me, all of us) recieved the authority, the power to condemn' or to save'. The power is your's, learn to use it, if you are in the image of Life' {a Creator}, then you are Fiat', your every thought, your every word, your every action, your heart's desire, will be manifested into form.
What does your heart desire? What do you pray for?
Do I say "I am good?" "or bad?"
'I SAY nothing'....discernment requires no words
Many blessings
Cizz
Discernment requires no words'
Judging and discerning are two different actions' (one destorys and one doesn't)
Jesus passed' the baton to Us' (to me' and to you') just as it was passed' to him, with this baton we' (you and me, all of us) recieved the authority, the power to condemn' or to save'. The power is your's, learn to use it, if you are in the image of Life' {a Creator}, then you are Fiat', your every thought, your every word, your every action, your heart's desire, will be manifested into form.
What does your heart desire? What do you pray for?
Do I say "I am good?" "or bad?"
'I SAY nothing'....discernment requires no words
Many blessings
Cizz
True ! Discernment requires no words. But - Love - Does require words.
Love IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 6 2008, 01:36 PM)
QUOTE (cizz @ Nov 6 2008, 01:29 PM)
Thank so much Betty and MM
Discernment requires no words'
Judging and discerning are two different actions' (one destorys and one doesn't)
Jesus passed' the baton to Us' (to me' and to you') just as it was passed' to him, with this baton we' (you and me, all of us) recieved the authority, the power to condemn' or to save'. The power is your's, learn to use it, if you are in the image of Life' {a Creator}, then you are Fiat', your every thought, your every word, your every action, your heart's desire, will be manifested into form.
What does your heart desire? What do you pray for?
Do I say "I am good?" "or bad?"
'I SAY nothing'....discernment requires no words
Many blessings
Cizz
Discernment requires no words'
Judging and discerning are two different actions' (one destorys and one doesn't)
Jesus passed' the baton to Us' (to me' and to you') just as it was passed' to him, with this baton we' (you and me, all of us) recieved the authority, the power to condemn' or to save'. The power is your's, learn to use it, if you are in the image of Life' {a Creator}, then you are Fiat', your every thought, your every word, your every action, your heart's desire, will be manifested into form.
What does your heart desire? What do you pray for?
Do I say "I am good?" "or bad?"
'I SAY nothing'....discernment requires no words
Many blessings
Cizz
True ! Discernment requires no words. But - Love - Does require words.
Love IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
I LOVE YOU! truely'
cizz
I love you also, Mysteryman !
What would the forum be without, MM ?
What would the forum be without, MM ?
QUOTE (cizz @ Nov 6 2008, 01:39 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 6 2008, 01:36 PM)
QUOTE (cizz @ Nov 6 2008, 01:29 PM)
Thank so much Betty and MM
Discernment requires no words'
Judging and discerning are two different actions' (one destorys and one doesn't)
Jesus passed' the baton to Us' (to me' and to you') just as it was passed' to him, with this baton we' (you and me, all of us) recieved the authority, the power to condemn' or to save'. The power is your's, learn to use it, if you are in the image of Life' {a Creator}, then you are Fiat', your every thought, your every word, your every action, your heart's desire, will be manifested into form.
What does your heart desire? What do you pray for?
Do I say "I am good?" "or bad?"
'I SAY nothing'....discernment requires no words
Many blessings
Cizz
Discernment requires no words'
Judging and discerning are two different actions' (one destorys and one doesn't)
Jesus passed' the baton to Us' (to me' and to you') just as it was passed' to him, with this baton we' (you and me, all of us) recieved the authority, the power to condemn' or to save'. The power is your's, learn to use it, if you are in the image of Life' {a Creator}, then you are Fiat', your every thought, your every word, your every action, your heart's desire, will be manifested into form.
What does your heart desire? What do you pray for?
Do I say "I am good?" "or bad?"
'I SAY nothing'....discernment requires no words
Many blessings
Cizz
True ! Discernment requires no words. But - Love - Does require words.
Love IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
I LOVE YOU! truely'
cizz
aaaahhh shucks , I just melted like butter.
When I wrote that "Love does require words", I was thinking of the woman healed with an issue of blood. She was healed, and yet Jesus spoke these words - Mark 5:25 thru 34
Mark 5:34 - "And he said unto her , "Daughter, thy faith hath (past tense) made thee whole ; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague" "
Just look at the "Love" spoken here in these words of Jesus Christ !
Lets look at another one:
Luke 17:16 & 17 - giving thanks
Here is another :
Luke 10:30 - 37 - Action without words, but the words of love are - "Go, and do likewise" .
Love you accoring to the second commandement of God - IN Christ - Christ IN - MM
Ephesians 4:20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness. 25 Therefore, putting away lying, "Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor," for we are members of one another. 26 "Be angry, and do not sin": do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.
In His Love,
Suzanne
In His Love,
Suzanne
QUOTE (tsth @ Nov 7 2008, 07:20 AM)
Ephesians 4:20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness. 25 Therefore, putting away lying, "Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor," for we are members of one another. 26 "Be angry, and do not sin": do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.
In His Love,
Suzanne
In His Love,
Suzanne
Thank you so much, Suzanne
Speaking one's own truth as given to them by God's understanding' (Binah) with the help imparted from God's wisdom' takes faith and courage, but it is only when we learn to 'listen' to each other's words being brought forward from God (All Knowledge' comes from God) that we 'step out of, pass', and execute' our own judgement' and enter into (quickened into) Discernment'
How can we hear the words, while we are busy talking about the words at the same time the words are being spoken...to hear requires your outer mouth and inner mouth to learn silence'.
Once jugdement dies only to become discernment'<<<<you will have removed the timber from your own eye!
*Try this: spend the day noticing when you label something with a title of 'value and placement'
Example of titles of value and placement: good, bad, evil, rightous, sweet, nasty, awesome, wrong, right, etc.....
Many blessings
Cizz
Dear cizz,
With all due respect, those "labels" are very much a part of discernment. You can't have one without the other. Otherwise how would these messages be presented?
Matthew 22:10 But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mt 7:17
Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
Mt 7:18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Mt 12:33
"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
Mt 13:48
When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away.
Mt 22:10
So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.
1 Cor. 15:33 Do not be misled: "Bad company corrupts good character."
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
You would wipe out a huge chunk of the gospel without those distinctions. (Which, is what has happened in today's church. They are afraid of offending.)
Hebrews 5:14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Some find the message hard to swallow, much like Felix:
Acts 24: 24 And after some days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was Jewish, he sent for Paul and heard him concerning the faith in Christ. 25 Now as he reasoned about righteousness, self-control, and the judgment to come, Felix was afraid and answered, "Go away for now; when I have a convenient time I will call for you."
In His Love,
Suzanne
With all due respect, those "labels" are very much a part of discernment. You can't have one without the other. Otherwise how would these messages be presented?
Matthew 22:10 But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mt 7:17
Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
Mt 7:18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Mt 12:33
"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
Mt 13:48
When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away.
Mt 22:10
So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.
1 Cor. 15:33 Do not be misled: "Bad company corrupts good character."
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
You would wipe out a huge chunk of the gospel without those distinctions. (Which, is what has happened in today's church. They are afraid of offending.)
Hebrews 5:14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Some find the message hard to swallow, much like Felix:
Acts 24: 24 And after some days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was Jewish, he sent for Paul and heard him concerning the faith in Christ. 25 Now as he reasoned about righteousness, self-control, and the judgment to come, Felix was afraid and answered, "Go away for now; when I have a convenient time I will call for you."
In His Love,
Suzanne
Dear cizz, /Suzanne
With all due respect, those "labels" are very much a part of discernment. You can't have one without the other. Otherwise how would these messages be presented? How would they be presented?
Matthew 22:10 But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mt 7:17
Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. Where does a tree come from? and who says it is bad or good?
Mt 7:18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. I agree!
Mt 12:33
"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. Define recongnized Who makes a tree good or bad?
Mt 13:48
When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away.
Mt 22:10
So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.
1 Cor. 15:33 Do not be misled: "Bad company corrupts good character." Goes both ways
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
You would wipe out a huge chunk of the gospel without those distinctions. (Which, is what has happened in today's church. They are afraid of offending.) I agree!
Hebrews 5:14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. I agree!
Some find the message hard to swallow, much like Felix:
Acts 24: 24 And after some days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was Jewish, he sent for Paul and heard him concerning the faith in Christ. 25 Now as he reasoned about righteousness, self-control, and the judgment to come, Felix was afraid and answered, "Go away for now; when I have a convenient time I will call for you."
International Standard Version (©2008)
As Paul talked about righteousness, self-control, and the coming judgment, Felix became afraid and said, "For the present you may go. When I get a chance, I will send for you again."
Why have you assumed that I don't agree? Why can you not hear me, I speak plainly?
In His Love,
Suzanne /Cizz
With all due respect, those "labels" are very much a part of discernment. You can't have one without the other. Otherwise how would these messages be presented? How would they be presented?
Matthew 22:10 But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mt 7:17
Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. Where does a tree come from? and who says it is bad or good?
Mt 7:18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. I agree!
Mt 12:33
"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. Define recongnized Who makes a tree good or bad?
Mt 13:48
When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away.
Mt 22:10
So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.
1 Cor. 15:33 Do not be misled: "Bad company corrupts good character." Goes both ways
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
You would wipe out a huge chunk of the gospel without those distinctions. (Which, is what has happened in today's church. They are afraid of offending.) I agree!
Hebrews 5:14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. I agree!
Some find the message hard to swallow, much like Felix:
Acts 24: 24 And after some days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was Jewish, he sent for Paul and heard him concerning the faith in Christ. 25 Now as he reasoned about righteousness, self-control, and the judgment to come, Felix was afraid and answered, "Go away for now; when I have a convenient time I will call for you."
International Standard Version (©2008)
As Paul talked about righteousness, self-control, and the coming judgment, Felix became afraid and said, "For the present you may go. When I get a chance, I will send for you again."
Why have you assumed that I don't agree? Why can you not hear me, I speak plainly?
In His Love,
Suzanne /Cizz
Dear cizz,
By all means, please clarify, as I obviously misunderstood your point.
In His Love,
Suzanne
By all means, please clarify, as I obviously misunderstood your point.
In His Love,
Suzanne
Hi Suzanne,
Sorry it has took me so long to get a response to give to you, I needed time to consider...can I clarify what I'm saying? It seems that we can look at the same words, but hear different meanings???
On the topic I presented...'Judge'
This is my understanding (an effort to clarify)
From the Beginning' of the book called the bible in Genesis 4:
"So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the LORD of the fruit of the ground.
Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering;
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Let's look at the words and compare what we see and hear (understand)
The word 'Respect
The LORD had respect for Abel and his offering
What is respect? It has two different meanings...two ways of understanding the meaning of the one word.
Respect: An act of giving particular attention; consideration-high or special regard (see esteem)
Expressions of respect or deference
Esteem: to estimate, appraise, to view as, consider, think, believe, to set high value on, regard highly and prize
accordingly
Deference: respect and esteem due a superior or an elder, affected or ingratiating regard for another's wishes
(see honor), in deference to-in consideration of
Regard: attention, consideration (due ~ should be given to all facets of the question)
A portective interest, care, worth or estimation , a basis of actions to be taken into consideration to gard, look
at...
Now I consider, what was the LORD showing toward Abel and his offering?
Deference... Respect or Esteem? (by the definitions that I have) Was the LORD esteeming Abel?
Esteem...due a superior or an elder....Abel was neither of these to the LORD, so what is left to consider? respect!
"affected or ingratiating regard for another's wishes"
Respect does not require us to agree with something, only to allow and show grace toward another's wishes.
Sometimes I wonder, if Cain had known that his brother's actions had revealed to the LORD something about his own actions...would he have killed his brother?
Let's keep comparing...Cain...
"but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard. So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell."
The LORD had no regard for Cain and his offering...no grace' is need when two agree...but notice, Cain became angry...how did the LORD know? Cain's countenance fell...
What were Cain's motives for bring an offering' to the LORD? He was not taken into regard, so...is this a good thing or a bad thing? <<use discernment
There were no ordinances or commandments for Cain and Abel...yet!
What did Cain seek in his gifts to the LORD....did he want to be in regard?...or did he want to be esteemed?
His brother followed he in his actions...took a gift to the LORD, also....(I want to be like Mikie, when I grow up! LOL! My brother's name is Mike! LOL!)
They both stood before the LORD and revealed' each other's desires, motives,... their heart's desire...
When Cain killed Abel...he was placed in regard...the LORD's regard...because the LORD does not esteem' men, the LORD was respectful toward Cain...
Respectful: 'MARK by' or showing respect or deference
LORD, let me not murder my brothers or sister today and LORD know that I do not desire to make (cause) them to be murderers either...
Many blessings
Cizz
Sorry it has took me so long to get a response to give to you, I needed time to consider...can I clarify what I'm saying? It seems that we can look at the same words, but hear different meanings???
On the topic I presented...'Judge'
This is my understanding (an effort to clarify)
From the Beginning' of the book called the bible in Genesis 4:
"So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the LORD of the fruit of the ground.
Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering;
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Let's look at the words and compare what we see and hear (understand)
The word 'Respect
The LORD had respect for Abel and his offering
What is respect? It has two different meanings...two ways of understanding the meaning of the one word.
Respect: An act of giving particular attention; consideration-high or special regard (see esteem)
Expressions of respect or deference
Esteem: to estimate, appraise, to view as, consider, think, believe, to set high value on, regard highly and prize
accordingly
Deference: respect and esteem due a superior or an elder, affected or ingratiating regard for another's wishes
(see honor), in deference to-in consideration of
Regard: attention, consideration (due ~ should be given to all facets of the question)
A portective interest, care, worth or estimation , a basis of actions to be taken into consideration to gard, look
at...
Now I consider, what was the LORD showing toward Abel and his offering?
Deference... Respect or Esteem? (by the definitions that I have) Was the LORD esteeming Abel?
Esteem...due a superior or an elder....Abel was neither of these to the LORD, so what is left to consider? respect!
"affected or ingratiating regard for another's wishes"
Respect does not require us to agree with something, only to allow and show grace toward another's wishes.
Sometimes I wonder, if Cain had known that his brother's actions had revealed to the LORD something about his own actions...would he have killed his brother?
Let's keep comparing...Cain...
"but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard. So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell."
The LORD had no regard for Cain and his offering...no grace' is need when two agree...but notice, Cain became angry...how did the LORD know? Cain's countenance fell...
What were Cain's motives for bring an offering' to the LORD? He was not taken into regard, so...is this a good thing or a bad thing? <<use discernment
There were no ordinances or commandments for Cain and Abel...yet!
What did Cain seek in his gifts to the LORD....did he want to be in regard?...or did he want to be esteemed?
His brother followed he in his actions...took a gift to the LORD, also....(I want to be like Mikie, when I grow up! LOL! My brother's name is Mike! LOL!)
They both stood before the LORD and revealed' each other's desires, motives,... their heart's desire...
When Cain killed Abel...he was placed in regard...the LORD's regard...because the LORD does not esteem' men, the LORD was respectful toward Cain...
Respectful: 'MARK by' or showing respect or deference
LORD, let me not murder my brothers or sister today and LORD know that I do not desire to make (cause) them to be murderers either...
Many blessings
Cizz
Dear cizz,
I think the problem is that you are approaching this topic as an issue of "judgment" and when I read your posts, I am lead to approach it as a topic of "discernment". It appears as though you are insinuating that discerning is not a good thing? (such as mentioned in post #14) When you mention "labeling". That automatically indicates a negative value. Obviously we are viewing your topic with different viewpoints, and since it is your post, I'll step aside so that you can continue with your line of thought...so as not to come across as contentious. But, to me, your topic is a bit confusing.
In His Love,
Suzanne
I think the problem is that you are approaching this topic as an issue of "judgment" and when I read your posts, I am lead to approach it as a topic of "discernment". It appears as though you are insinuating that discerning is not a good thing? (such as mentioned in post #14) When you mention "labeling". That automatically indicates a negative value. Obviously we are viewing your topic with different viewpoints, and since it is your post, I'll step aside so that you can continue with your line of thought...so as not to come across as contentious. But, to me, your topic is a bit confusing.
In His Love,
Suzanne
QUOTE (tsth @ Nov 12 2008, 07:10 AM)
Dear cizz,
I think the problem is that you are approaching this topic as an issue of "judgment" and when I read your posts, I am lead to approach it as a topic of "discernment". It appears as though you are insinuating that discerning is not a good thing? (such as mentioned in post #14) When you mention "labeling". That automatically indicates a negative value. Obviously we are viewing your topic with different viewpoints, and since it is your post, I'll step aside so that you can continue with your line of thought...so as not to come across as contentious. But, to me, your topic is a bit confusing.
In His Love,
Suzanne
I think the problem is that you are approaching this topic as an issue of "judgment" and when I read your posts, I am lead to approach it as a topic of "discernment". It appears as though you are insinuating that discerning is not a good thing? (such as mentioned in post #14) When you mention "labeling". That automatically indicates a negative value. Obviously we are viewing your topic with different viewpoints, and since it is your post, I'll step aside so that you can continue with your line of thought...so as not to come across as contentious. But, to me, your topic is a bit confusing.
In His Love,
Suzanne
Thank you so much for tolerating me, Suzanne
Many blessings
Cizz
Dearest Cizz :
http://www.christviewmin.org/bible.study/b...ry.patterns.php
This is a good site, to engage the mind's that understand, as you are understanding the
topic of parallel Biblical patterns.
Some mathematical expert's that are theology thinker's (non-infidel), understand
that mirror number's in Biblical prophecy exist.
And when you reverse, the equation of the scripture you read, you are locating the
Alpha ( point of beginning of the seed core of the scripture's roots ) to gain access
to the knowledge of the scripture's Omega ( point of ending of the seed core of the scripture's
branches ).
Parallel thinker's, such as yourself, can be hard to follow. Unless, as I am, also a parallel
thinker, I see the point you make under the topic you started.
Smile !
http://www.christviewmin.org/bible.study/b...ry.patterns.php
This is a good site, to engage the mind's that understand, as you are understanding the
topic of parallel Biblical patterns.
Some mathematical expert's that are theology thinker's (non-infidel), understand
that mirror number's in Biblical prophecy exist.
And when you reverse, the equation of the scripture you read, you are locating the
Alpha ( point of beginning of the seed core of the scripture's roots ) to gain access
to the knowledge of the scripture's Omega ( point of ending of the seed core of the scripture's
branches ).
Parallel thinker's, such as yourself, can be hard to follow. Unless, as I am, also a parallel
thinker, I see the point you make under the topic you started.
Smile !
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Nov 12 2008, 07:44 AM)
Dearest Cizz :
http://www.christviewmin.org/bible.study/b...ry.patterns.php
This is a good site, to engage the mind's that understand, as you are understanding the
topic of parallel Biblical patterns.
Some mathematical expert's that are theology thinker's (non-infidel), understand
that mirror number's in Biblical prophecy exist.
And when you reverse, the equation of the scripture you read, you are locating the
Alpha ( point of beginning of the seed core of the scripture's roots ) to gain access
to the knowledge of the scripture's Omega ( point of ending of the seed core of the scripture's
branches ).
Parallel thinker's, such as yourself, can be hard to follow. Unless, as I am, also a parallel
thinker, I see the point you make under the topic you started.
Smile !
http://www.christviewmin.org/bible.study/b...ry.patterns.php
This is a good site, to engage the mind's that understand, as you are understanding the
topic of parallel Biblical patterns.
Some mathematical expert's that are theology thinker's (non-infidel), understand
that mirror number's in Biblical prophecy exist.
And when you reverse, the equation of the scripture you read, you are locating the
Alpha ( point of beginning of the seed core of the scripture's roots ) to gain access
to the knowledge of the scripture's Omega ( point of ending of the seed core of the scripture's
branches ).
Parallel thinker's, such as yourself, can be hard to follow. Unless, as I am, also a parallel
thinker, I see the point you make under the topic you started.
Smile !
This is a very interesting article, Betty
I've spent some time reading over it...reading the example story' that was use, sucked me in and I had to slow down...(the cats are the heros, but everyone should remember the fleas can be carried by the cats too, especially since they are eating the rats....PROTECT your cats...flea collar first! LOL! Now maybe I can read the article again to grasp a wider understanding of it's message.
Thanks for 'seeing' my point!
Many blessings'
Cizz <smiling!
Book of Job:
"Will you really annul My judgment? Will you condemn Me that you may be justified?
"Now gird up your loins like a man; I will ask you, and you instruct Me.
"Who has given to Me that I should repay him? Whatever is under the whole heaven is Mine.
"Who is this that darkens counsel By words without knowledge?
"Now gird up your loins like a man, And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!
"Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding,
"Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it?
"Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place,
"But you were full of judgment on the wicked; Judgment and justice take hold of you.
"Will your riches keep you from distress, Or all the forces of your strength?
"Take heed, regard not iniquity: for this have you chosen rather than affliction.
"Do you think this is according to justice? Do you say, 'My righteousness is more than God's '?
"If you are righteous, what do you give to Him, Or what does He receive from your hand?
"Your wickedness is for a man like yourself, And your righteousness is for a son of man.
"Because of the multitude of oppressions they cry out; They cry for help because of the arm of the mighty.
"But no one says, 'Where is God my Maker, Who gives songs in the night,
"Listen to my words, you wise men. Open your ears to me, you intelligent men
"For the ear tests words As the palate tastes food.
................................................................................
"Will you really annul My judgment? Will you condemn Me that you may be justified?
"Then I will also confess to you, That your own right hand can save you.
Many blessings'
Cizz
"Will you really annul My judgment? Will you condemn Me that you may be justified?
"Now gird up your loins like a man; I will ask you, and you instruct Me.
"Who has given to Me that I should repay him? Whatever is under the whole heaven is Mine.
"Who is this that darkens counsel By words without knowledge?
"Now gird up your loins like a man, And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!
"Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding,
"Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it?
"Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place,
"But you were full of judgment on the wicked; Judgment and justice take hold of you.
"Will your riches keep you from distress, Or all the forces of your strength?
"Take heed, regard not iniquity: for this have you chosen rather than affliction.
"Do you think this is according to justice? Do you say, 'My righteousness is more than God's '?
"If you are righteous, what do you give to Him, Or what does He receive from your hand?
"Your wickedness is for a man like yourself, And your righteousness is for a son of man.
"Because of the multitude of oppressions they cry out; They cry for help because of the arm of the mighty.
"But no one says, 'Where is God my Maker, Who gives songs in the night,
"Listen to my words, you wise men. Open your ears to me, you intelligent men
"For the ear tests words As the palate tastes food.
................................................................................
"Will you really annul My judgment? Will you condemn Me that you may be justified?
"Then I will also confess to you, That your own right hand can save you.
Many blessings'
Cizz
Book of Jonah:
"Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?"
Many blessings'
Cizz
"Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?"
Many blessings'
Cizz
Isa 24:1
Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
Isa 24:2
And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
Isa 24:2
And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
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