This is an old topic that I really wanted to see what the responses would be to it. I'm asking again:





In His Love,
Suzanne

hi~

this is where the decision becomes clear ~ who is on the LORD's side? good & evil cannot co-exist, one shall ultimately rule over the over at the individual level & if evil is welcomed, then death is consequence as said by the Word of the LORD. it's very much like when the children of Benjamin didn't drive out the Jebusites but dwelt with them & then later on, the children of Benjamin picked up many of the abominable traits of the Jebusites, even to the point of sodomy.

bad news, for sure.

but that stands as a symbolic type of what will happen to all children that are not taught the Word of God & the Commandments that He gave to us for our own good. the "state" has passed laws for the Holy Bible to not be a part of their educational *cough*brainwash*cough* system, so that leaves the churches; but if the parents of the churches become slack & allow evil (no matter how insignificant it may seem) to enter into their own households & become equally slack in the zeal to teach the Word of God to their own children daily, then it will be of a certainty that in the not-so distant future, a strange generation will rise that will know next to nothing about the LORD, neither care to know the LORD, or may generally deem the Holy Bible to be a work of evil, for the evils of hollyweird & babylon will be fully set in their hearts even from their youth.

it's already begun, for example ~ these days, it's not an uncommon thing that the people in this day are addressing children as "kids" - but what is a kid? of a truth, so subtle is this transition that many will live the days of their lives unsuspecting, which is exactly what the devil has planned all along.

~levite-7

Dear Levite-7,

I am afraid THAT generation already exists, they are just under the delusion that they are believers, due to the fact that they attend church. Yet, when confronted with the actual lifestyles of this current society, they are not discerning good from evil, but rather (as you stated) conforming to the ways of the world....i.e., living together, approval of homosexual lifestyles, viewing things that are not pure, listening to music that is not good, speaking coarsely, immoral sex, abortions, drinking, drug use, etc., yet if you ask them, they will claim to be a "believer" in Jesus. Yet they are not surrendered to HIS LORDSHIP which is evidenced by their fruits.

We should be gravely concerned about our kids and their inability or unwillingness to understand and define good and evil. They learn from example. If they do not understand that discerning is acceptable, then they will not make distinctions and thus become apathetic.

This generation does not undertand that there are things that are absolutely absolute, and that God's Word defines those things and gives understanding that as Christians, those who proclaim the Name of the Lord, MUST turn away from wickedness.


In His Love,
Suzanne

hi~

the generation that i describe does not exist, yet ~ but it will. ask yourself, is the earth where it stands today worthy of fiery idignation by the likes of Sodom & Gomorrah? is this earth worthy of being flooded, today? of a truth, there is good still in this earth. a great evil is rising in the hearts of they that deny the LORD in heaven, but among them are the fewer that know (or have yet to know) the LORD God & the salvation of His Christ. today, evil is gaining strength, but not nearly as evil as the time of Noah where only 8 were left in the whole earth that clinged to the LORD, or even Sodom & Gomorrah, for their evil of sodomy was displayed in the public for all to see & was accepted into society as easily as we drink water. are you in a position to discern who is a believer & who is not? not to say any of this to offend, more-so for reflection.

the best source for seeing where our society stands would be to look at the time of Abraham, when the LORD & His Angels paid Abraham a visit. there was a discussion between Abraham & the LORD concerning Sodom.

it is written in Genesis 18:22 - 33 (akjv), 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. 23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? 26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes. 27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD, which am but dust and ashes: 28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it. 29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake. 30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there. 31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake. 32 And he said, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake. 33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

there is good in this earth still, Suzanne ~ in the souls of true Saints & they that have yet to be sealed, iniquity has not reach the full ~ we're only seeing the beginnings of a darkness that rivals Sodom. more-so, how the LORD handled Sodom & even the flood will be the same way the LORD will deal with the end time ~ when a generation rises to commit great & terrible evil in the public spotlight & there is not one good soul left, & when all the Saints are sealed - then the LORD Jesus Christ will return. until that time, be of good courage & be as a beacon of light to they that shall receive you in His Holy name.

~levite-7

Just curious Levite,

Do you have any kids?


In His Love,
Suzanne

Your question basically translates to "So have your kids discerned from the beautiful colors with the ugly colors?" or "best tasting ice cream to worst tasting ice cream."

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Neal,

The question does not make sense to you in the same manner that it does me, because I am speaking of spiritually discerning, not carnal discerning.

For the Christian, there are absolutes that are biblically sound. These are the discernments that I am referring to. If you do not believe in God's Word as foundationally TRUE, then it doesn't make sense to you.

In His Love,
Suzanne

What would spiritually discerning right and wrong be?


Just like there are cases where the Bible isn't consistent with itself / contradicts itself.


I think you're implying God wrote the Bible, huh?

Neal C.

1960's ring a bell? I feel like you do Suzanne as I was born in 73 in a world that already consisted of the ever so lovely qualities you mentioned above-which I took the liberty of underlining. Actually you might even take it back to the *roaring 20's* even. As wise Solomon said; there is nothing new under the sun.



We should be so concerned that we actually get off our buns and DO something...sitting around being concerned for tomorrow does not change one hair on our head. Actually if someone would have been concerned 40 some odd years ago and DID something; we might not be witnessing our children in the fire. Our childrens disobediance to us is a result of our disobediance unto God. Do you know nearly everytime I am instructing my daughter, for example, "to take care of her things, because not taking care of things causes them to break or get misplaced etc.." I get an echo result like "oh my"! It is us adults that have been so careless, not only with this earth, but more so with the Word of God, so how do I dare tell my child to take care of some dumb toy from wal-mart when I cannot even take care of God's Word? Hypocrite that I am



This generation does not understand anything because...they are taught evolution, rather than God created the heaven and earth. It is deception for them-and "OK" with most. This generation has parents that both work and the TV and Ipod and computer have become babysitters and caregivers. What do we do and what can we do? I cry out to Yahweh not only for mercy upon us, but help us, please oh God! Because we've been in captivity ourselves for a very long time, that which we thought was freedom, was nothing more than bondage, now we are completely in bondage, to technology, medicine, religion, science, education...none of which are right according to Scripture!

Suzanne, I think you are a ministers wife? You have a very anointed position and placing to DO something. People will listen to you, children may respect you more etc...But it is going to fall upon deaf ears if and when the children's homes are in a broken disarray because the children and teenagers might get a lot of blame for today, but it is not them, it is the parents that have rebelled yesterday.

All of the concerns you and I have regarding today, were prophesied to come to pass 2000 years ago by our Messiah.
Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The problem is...95% of believers are still waiting for that "great tribulation" to come, and a rapture to come first. The enemy has done well in deceiving and keeping people looking for something that is rotting right at their feet. Why do you think when Jesus returns the whole world is mourning?

My kids are doing well, they aren't perfect by any means, but they love God.
My eldest is 11, so probably younger than yours.... she picks me up when my faith is low. She says "lets pray!" and was so full of joy when she heard that her younger 5 year old brother went for an altar call last week. They always want to be the one to say grace and they turn off magic/evil stuff off TV, though sometimes they can be a little over the top... my 5 year old objected in school to a book they did called "Possum Magic" and I had to explain his zeal to the teacher lol.
My 2 year old suddenly burst out saying "Praise God!" the other day, several times... we don't usually do this so passionately so it was very cute.
Yes there are many things out there to corrupt our children but if we tell them why they are wrong and explain things, then hopefully they will grow up loving the Lord. We have also gone through the DVDs and books about witchcraft and so on, and destroyed them, they loved that... and we talk about creation versus evolution and they understand about hidden agendas.
I have this feeling that the saved children of this generation will be equipped by God to withstand, while the love of many others will wax cold.

Dear Selah,

Why do you think I brought the topic up?




Dear Shine,

THAT is the perfect example!!! THAT is what I'm talking about! Give your kids the OK to discern..........which obviously.....you have. You also have taught them how to discern.

I think that this is the #1 thing that Christians need to be able to do. Because as I mentioned in another post, how on earth are we able to identify the "man of lawlessness" if WE don't even make the distinctions and our kids haven't learned to discern, then they're not going to be able to know when they are being deceived?

Tell your kids it's ok to say that something is not "right", and give them permission to stand firm and have integrity about things again. This has been lost and our kids need it.


In His Love,
Suzanne

Good Topic!

I can tell by the amount of response that this does not rate as high as the threads, "who is the beast", "the mark", and all of the other Gnostic topics of mystery and intrigue. Thats probably why were in the shape that we are in right now.

Oh! Well rant about the abortionists, the sodomites, the idolatrers, and Barak Obama, but when it comes to our kids? HA!
Even the lack of communication is still communication.

I wonder how many children can quote the Ten Commandments, or even adults for that matter?

hi~

normally that is a private matter, but seeing that you are in the LORD ~ i feel that you will understand fully from what i am about to say. marriage & the raising of children are closed off from me forever, for i have made a solemn vow to give myself wholly to the LORD. you know as well as i that vows are not to be taken lightly & it is a choice that i willingly made, for times ahead will require me to witness & explain what is going on around us to they that were unaware before.

in this day, many look upon me as a quiet type that walks a "boring" life with his nose always in that book, yea ~ that book that many keep away from for some strange reason, but the Word of the LORD is life in my sight. perhaps i am boring because i don't do what is generally accepted to do socially, either that or i am hated because i abstain. in any case, i may be boring but i will be prepared as the LORD commands me to do. He never ceases to amaze me, Suzanne & He has an equally amazing amount of mercy to forgive me everytime i stumble with a mistake or an error that can be corrected. of a truth, He is revealing much to me. but that's the trade off, to be with Him wholly like the Levites from long ago is where my heart lies & i shall be there forever. the only children i'll enjoy is from my family & more-so with the brethren when we meet with the LORD in the air at the promised time.

@~Selah~ - there is a spiritual rebellion & this rebellion is directed against the LORD's creation, it's like walking through a cold day to return home & warm one's self by a cheery fire. the home is in sight & the distance not far at all, but all of a sudden, a fierce icy wind blows against you, slowing your progress. in determination you march forward while the wind continues to blow fiercely. it's a hard walk, but ultimately you triumph. indeed, you are aware of what needs to be done ~ do, for that is much more than many that know not or do not. take comfort in knowing that the LORD is with the faithful & more-so that the devil & all his host have much to answer for at Judgment Day, of which we will be there to witness as judges.

~levite-7

Let every man exercise the gift in which he is called.
Blessed are the Eunchs for the Kingdom of Heavens sake. They shall recieve a name greater than that of sons or daughters.

Dear levite,

I most certainly do understand. It is a noble calling.


The reason I asked the question, is because if you are not exposed to the current day lives of teens, you won't know what I am referring to. I have 2 teens, and they are up against some terribly overwhelming odds when it comes to purity and walking in the Spirit....even amongst the youth of "the church". We chose to remove our children from the current day youth group trends, because of the worldliness that is taking place therein. They are seeing many hypocrisies with regard to the Christian youth groups and it is troubling to say the least.

The teens of today are VERY VERY confused and yet if you asked I'd be willing to guess that at least 80% of them belong to church youth groups and claim to be Christians yet their alliances appear to be more of the world than of purity, holiness and the ways of the Lord. There seems to be such a lack of discernment and a strong sense of humanism with regard to issues that they should have strong convictions about, yet they don't. They are more apt to side with "feelings" than doctrine. Of course we know that this is due to the example that has been set for them.



In His Love,
Suzanne

There are 2 types of laws: religious law, and legal law. And unfortunately, you can\'t serve them both.


Just like there are cases where the Bible isn\'t consistent with itself / contradicts itself.


The Bible contradicting itself or not is the same regardless of whether the person is reconciliated or not, as I\'m sure you well know.


Or in other words, God approved of the Bible, and I present to you, that has not been the case. The people pieced the Bible simply because they wanted to. That is, combining the 66 books or the New Testament books with the already pieced Old Testament.

If God wrote the entire or approved of them Bible then there shouldn\'t be any inconsistencies (unless he approved of them).

If this was a private matter, then it would go to private message (with tsth). How does it matter that tsth is with the Lord so that your post will go publicly?


Ah yes, and that's someone I respect: a permanent virgin. Wohoo! ^5.

hi~

a seed becomes a babe, a babe to a child, a child to an adult, an adult to an elder & an elder to dust as the flesh allows. the ways of the earth are known to me & though i have no children of my own, i have a family that has many, once children now teens. the Spirit of the LORD is upon me, & i shall speak thus.

when one becomes a parent, it is their charge not to be a parent, for in truth ~ there is one parent in which we all belong, both faithful & scorner - all are children of the LORD in heaven, despite the contrary. it is the charge of the parent to plant the seed of a strong foundation in the way of wisdom, righteousness & mercy in the grace that is pleasing to God through the Word & as the child develops & grows & blossoms, the role of the parent points the child to the LORD & weens while our true parent begins to increase & direct their steps. this is the role of the faithful, knowing that the LORD will look after they that believe in Him & walk in His ways, to keep His statutes & His judgments.

since the days after the fall, the earth is cursed, it is evil & the ways are evil because there is separation between us & the LORD in heaven - even now & what is to come, that will not change until the LORD returns to end it forever. until that time, we walk through life & deal with society; sometimes reluctantly, but it is necessary nonetheless. those that were before you did it, you are doing it & now, your children are doing it. evil is all around us, but the LORD will drive it away, far away to they that keep His Word. ask yourself, what am i doing to prepare my children for the day they leave to make a life for themselves? am i doing everything i can in accordance to the Word of God? have i directed them to the LORD? is there any snare that has yet to be cut away? are my children being warned of what is acceptable & what is not in the sight of God? of a truth, by having children ~ all that can be done is to edify them, love them, teach them & warn them truthfully about the rules of the spiritual warfare that is being waged. it's not safe out there, but the LORD is far greater that evil itself melts away in fervent fear. direct your children to the LORD & He shall fight for them.

for yourself & those you love & care for, you have much on your side. for the earth & for the beast that is, it is written that it will fall to terrible darkness & its people shall behave like that prior to the flood. it is foretold & well known ~ thus we are commanded by the LORD to show kindess, mercy & love to even they that rebel against being reconciled with God to inherit the promise, but if they abjectly reject truth even when it is presented before them? by the Word of the LORD, we are not to pity them, for by their choice do they condemn themselves.

~levite-7

Neal, you have brought up a topic which not every person here can digest.
What you see today, at least in the English bible are traces of well meaning additions, ill-founded deletions, some predjudices, and in some places sloppy translation. There are at least 18 books missing from the bible, due to man's higher intellect of course.
This is why it is imperative that one recieve the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Only they can compare spiritual things with spiritual and discern between truth and error. They alone are they to whom the oracles are committed today.

From what I know of tsth, she does not merely look at the ink and paper alone.

The law, the prophets, the writings, the psalms, the gospels, the Epistles, letters, and Revelation are no doubt inspired books or "God breathed" but that does not always translate into absolute flawlessness or perfection when it was committed to men who were in fact men, and then edited by those who have never heard his voice.
One example is that Moses is credited with writing Genesis. In Chapter 26 and 26 two conflicting accounts of the lineage of Bashemath is given. One text (26) says that it was Hittite, the other (36) Ishmalite. So one has to compare the entire accounts and surrounding texts to arrive to the conclusion that 36 is the correct one. But this does not explain how Moses or some other later "copier" of the texts arrived at the error. I can assure you that God did not make the mistake.

I also appreciate the mention of the differance between religous law and man's law "legal law". I do hope that is what was meant.
Romans 13 is probably the most twisted and warped text in the bible. To hear most preache it today "obey the government" you would think that Caesar was God and Paul was his Apostle. If that was the case then why was he beheaded for treason?

I will say this that at least Neal is looking at this with both eyes.
We would all do well for our children if we did the same.