What was the first lie that was told in the bible? It was told by the father of lies, Satan himself.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
Full Version: "ye Shalt Not Surely Die"
(John 1:12-13) (v.12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Who's name? The name of Jesus, yes Jesus is God. (v.13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man but of God.
I'm talking about Physically born again into God's family. Not a change of mind, but a change of body, to become the Sons of God with POWER. Now I would like to pose a question to you. The Lord God told Adam that the day he ate of the forbidden tree (Satan) that same day he would surely die. But Adam lived to be nine hundred and thirty years old.
(Gen. 5:5) And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
God can not lie.
(Num. 23:19) God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
And the bible says that scripture cannot be broken: (
John 10:35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken.
Now since God can not lie and the scripture can not be broken,how do you explain how Adam lived to be nine hundred and thirty years old when God said that he would die the same day he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Let the bible speak.
(2Peter 3:8) But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years, as one day.
(Psalm 90:4) For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Most unlearned teachers and preachers would try to explain that Adam died spiritually that same day; no he died physically that same day. Not our twenty-four hour day, but a day as the Lords sees it, one thousand years. That's why nobody in the bible ever lived more than a thousand years. The oldest person was Me-thu'-se-lah and he lived nine hundred sixty and nine years.
(Gen. 5:27) And all the days of Me-thu'-se-lah were nine hundred and sixty nine years: and he died.
That's why I always tell people to read your bible for yourself and pray for understanding. I run into some people who say that I have been in church for ten years, twenty years, thirty years, some say all my life. But 95% of them don't know the smallest thing about the bible. Because your life depends on it, even your eternal life. Don't put your confidence and trust in man.
(Psalm 118:8) It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man. And I'm just stating facts; I don't go to church to get a good feeling, or for entertainment. I go to learn about what thus saith the Lord, and to learn how to save myself.
(Phil. 2:12) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
How are you going to work out your own salvation if you don't read the bible, and if you can't read it out of the bible, then don't believe it.
I'm talking about Physically born again into God's family. Not a change of mind, but a change of body, to become the Sons of God with POWER. Now I would like to pose a question to you. The Lord God told Adam that the day he ate of the forbidden tree (Satan) that same day he would surely die. But Adam lived to be nine hundred and thirty years old.
(Gen. 5:5) And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
God can not lie.
(Num. 23:19) God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
And the bible says that scripture cannot be broken: (
John 10:35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken.
Now since God can not lie and the scripture can not be broken,how do you explain how Adam lived to be nine hundred and thirty years old when God said that he would die the same day he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Let the bible speak.
(2Peter 3:8) But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years, as one day.
(Psalm 90:4) For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Most unlearned teachers and preachers would try to explain that Adam died spiritually that same day; no he died physically that same day. Not our twenty-four hour day, but a day as the Lords sees it, one thousand years. That's why nobody in the bible ever lived more than a thousand years. The oldest person was Me-thu'-se-lah and he lived nine hundred sixty and nine years.
(Gen. 5:27) And all the days of Me-thu'-se-lah were nine hundred and sixty nine years: and he died.
That's why I always tell people to read your bible for yourself and pray for understanding. I run into some people who say that I have been in church for ten years, twenty years, thirty years, some say all my life. But 95% of them don't know the smallest thing about the bible. Because your life depends on it, even your eternal life. Don't put your confidence and trust in man.
(Psalm 118:8) It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man. And I'm just stating facts; I don't go to church to get a good feeling, or for entertainment. I go to learn about what thus saith the Lord, and to learn how to save myself.
(Phil. 2:12) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
How are you going to work out your own salvation if you don't read the bible, and if you can't read it out of the bible, then don't believe it.
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 04:53 PM) 
What was the first lie that was told in the bible? It was told by the father of lies, Satan himself.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
IN Christ - MM
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 04:53 PM)
What was the first lie that was told in the bible? It was told by the father of lies, Satan himself.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
IN Christ - MM
You're right....still going on today
1 Timothy 2
2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Check out verse 12, this verse should shut down them women preacher immediately
peace in jesus name
the letter of the mosaic law has killed you bro tan genuine people need to hear the true gospel jesus preached they dont need to hear that you need to keep all the rituals all the sabbaths or do they need to study and understand what you are leaving in this forum
the true gospel jesus preached sets his hearers free the gospel you are preaching bro tan is not setting your hearers free it traps them that is all your gospel you are preaching does bro tan
i also hear this from proffessing christians like your self bro tan you wil not answer my questions or wil you take the time to go over what i leave all i hear is we have been down this road i dont want to go down this road with you damo7
damo says if you call your self a bible christian you should be able to respond when questioned with out runing away or having guys like ozell stick up for you
Matthew 15 English standard version
3 And he answered them And why do you brake the commandment of God ? for the sake of your traditions ?
Colossians 1 English standard version
13 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved son
Colossians 2 English standard version
4 I say this in order that no one may delude you with plausible arguments
8 see to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition according to elemental spirits of the world and not according to christ
12 having been buried with him in baptism in which you where also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God who raised him from the dead
13 And you who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh God made alive together with him having forgiven us all our trespasses
14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands This he set aside nailing it to the cross
know watch what bro tan does with what i am going to leave him you will see for your self whether this man is able to teach for your self dont fall for what an unstable teacher has to say let gods holy spirit guide you in all truth remember jesus spoke in parables and only answered one parable
Galatians 2 English standard version
20 I have been crucified with christ It is no longer I who live but christ who lives in me And the life i live now i live in the flesh I live by faith in the son of God who loved me and gave him self for me
21 I do not nulify the Grace of God for if righteousness were through the law then christ died for no purpose
paul said the gospel that was preached to him was not mans gospel and i am saying dont let mans gospel trap you or deceive you let the true gospel christ preached set you free mans gospel can not do what christ had to say can you honestly tell me that you are hearing the true gospel christ preached in your part of the world you live in which gospel is being preached is it mans gospel that is being preached or is it the gospel christ preached when he was walking this earth
JESUS DIED UNDER THE LAW BRO TAN IS PREACHING WHICH WAS THE MOSIAC LAW
if you are hearing the gospel christ preached when he was walking this earth why do you alow unstable christians to force you to Question what christ has done so far in your life ?
bro tans responce to me will show the members hear which gospel is having its affect in our countrys we live in
John 7 English standard version
17 If anyones will is to do Gods will he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether i am speaking on my own authority
18 The one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true and in him there is no falshood
19 Has not moses given you the law ? yet none of you keeps the law Why do you seek to kiil me ?
37 on the last day of the feast the great day Jesus stood up and cried out If anyone thirsts let him come to me and drink
38 Whoever believes in me as the scripture has said out of his heart will flow rivers of living water
dont let unstable christians force you to Question what christ has done so far in your life
bro tan i love you as a brother but i will not have you force me to question what christ has done in my life i have been reading this bible since i was 18 i am nearly 41 and every time i go over the bible i am learning something new i know who my god is i have no need to fear him or do i have no need to look at what you are leaving
perfect love casts out fear bro tan you have been told this
GOD CAN NOT LIE BUT MAN CAN LIE AND MAN IS GOOD AT LYING AND DECEIVING ITS PART OF MANS NATURE
no need to run our sisters down by reminding them what eve did when she fel for satans lies adam could have prottected eve god warned adam first its in genesis way before eve came into the picture
satan saw that if he was going to hurt god it would be through eve he new if he tried this with adam he would have gotten no where bro tan
adam as the head and the first one born could have sheiled his wife what was adam doing when eve was being tempted by satan ?
it does not say where he was or whether he was asleep or whether he was by his wifes side when satan told her did god really say you wil die meaning did god really say you cant eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
why is it we have guys who like to use what satan did to eve as an excuse to bash our sisters in the lord to where we remind them of eves sin ?
Damo
the true gospel jesus preached sets his hearers free the gospel you are preaching bro tan is not setting your hearers free it traps them that is all your gospel you are preaching does bro tan
i also hear this from proffessing christians like your self bro tan you wil not answer my questions or wil you take the time to go over what i leave all i hear is we have been down this road i dont want to go down this road with you damo7
damo says if you call your self a bible christian you should be able to respond when questioned with out runing away or having guys like ozell stick up for you
Matthew 15 English standard version
3 And he answered them And why do you brake the commandment of God ? for the sake of your traditions ?
Colossians 1 English standard version
13 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved son
Colossians 2 English standard version
4 I say this in order that no one may delude you with plausible arguments
8 see to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition according to elemental spirits of the world and not according to christ
12 having been buried with him in baptism in which you where also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God who raised him from the dead
13 And you who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh God made alive together with him having forgiven us all our trespasses
14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands This he set aside nailing it to the cross
know watch what bro tan does with what i am going to leave him you will see for your self whether this man is able to teach for your self dont fall for what an unstable teacher has to say let gods holy spirit guide you in all truth remember jesus spoke in parables and only answered one parable
Galatians 2 English standard version
20 I have been crucified with christ It is no longer I who live but christ who lives in me And the life i live now i live in the flesh I live by faith in the son of God who loved me and gave him self for me
21 I do not nulify the Grace of God for if righteousness were through the law then christ died for no purpose
paul said the gospel that was preached to him was not mans gospel and i am saying dont let mans gospel trap you or deceive you let the true gospel christ preached set you free mans gospel can not do what christ had to say can you honestly tell me that you are hearing the true gospel christ preached in your part of the world you live in which gospel is being preached is it mans gospel that is being preached or is it the gospel christ preached when he was walking this earth
JESUS DIED UNDER THE LAW BRO TAN IS PREACHING WHICH WAS THE MOSIAC LAW
if you are hearing the gospel christ preached when he was walking this earth why do you alow unstable christians to force you to Question what christ has done so far in your life ?
bro tans responce to me will show the members hear which gospel is having its affect in our countrys we live in
John 7 English standard version
17 If anyones will is to do Gods will he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether i am speaking on my own authority
18 The one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true and in him there is no falshood
19 Has not moses given you the law ? yet none of you keeps the law Why do you seek to kiil me ?
37 on the last day of the feast the great day Jesus stood up and cried out If anyone thirsts let him come to me and drink
38 Whoever believes in me as the scripture has said out of his heart will flow rivers of living water
dont let unstable christians force you to Question what christ has done so far in your life
bro tan i love you as a brother but i will not have you force me to question what christ has done in my life i have been reading this bible since i was 18 i am nearly 41 and every time i go over the bible i am learning something new i know who my god is i have no need to fear him or do i have no need to look at what you are leaving
perfect love casts out fear bro tan you have been told this
GOD CAN NOT LIE BUT MAN CAN LIE AND MAN IS GOOD AT LYING AND DECEIVING ITS PART OF MANS NATURE
no need to run our sisters down by reminding them what eve did when she fel for satans lies adam could have prottected eve god warned adam first its in genesis way before eve came into the picture
satan saw that if he was going to hurt god it would be through eve he new if he tried this with adam he would have gotten no where bro tan
adam as the head and the first one born could have sheiled his wife what was adam doing when eve was being tempted by satan ?
it does not say where he was or whether he was asleep or whether he was by his wifes side when satan told her did god really say you wil die meaning did god really say you cant eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
why is it we have guys who like to use what satan did to eve as an excuse to bash our sisters in the lord to where we remind them of eves sin ?
Damo
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 05:36 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 04:53 PM)
What was the first lie that was told in the bible? It was told by the father of lies, Satan himself.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
IN Christ - MM
You're right....still going on today
1 Timothy 2
2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Check out verse 12, this verse should shut down them women preacher immediately
peace in jesus name
Yes, and the voice of the devil is a she, and the voice of God is a he.
The question is, which voice do we hearken unto.
IN Christ - MM
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 05:36 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 04:53 PM)
What was the first lie that was told in the bible? It was told by the father of lies, Satan himself.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
IN Christ - MM
You're right....still going on today
1 Timothy 2
2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Check out verse 12, this verse should shut down them women preacher immediately
peace in jesus name
Bro. Tan :
With much respect, . . .
The scripture states, Genesis 2:20, 'But for Adam, no suitable helper was found'.
So by that, Adam was in charge of the Garden, not the helper.
The scripture states, Genesis 2:21, 'So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep
sleep : . . .
So by that, Adam was asleep during surgery removal of the RIB.
However, Adam was not asleep when the Devil tempted Eve. Where was Adam ?
So, Adam was awake, right ?
The scripture states, Genesis 2:22, ' . . . and he brought her to the man'.
The womb-man was brought to the man, not the man to the womb-man.
WHO WAS IN CHARGE ? OF COURSE GOD [IHVH] . . . then the contractual agreement
of Adam toward his flesh the womb-man, was made as a eternal covenant/vow :
GENESIS 2:23
The man said,
This is NOW bone of my bones
and FLESH of my flesh,
she shall be called, woman,
for she was taken OUT of man.
As Mysteryman believes, go see GENDER topic he started, the first Adam, is both
male/female.
So, it is clear Adam's One Flesh covenant, sealed the truth of the responsible party
to the FALL OF MAN, in the Garden.
WHO DO YOU THINK THAT WAS ?
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
ACCORDING, to Mysteryman . . . Adam was in control of His One Flesh Covenant,
NOT ASLEEP, awake from the surgery of the RIB [DNA] removal, AWAKE, and Adam hearkened
to the voice of ____________( ONE FLESH ) !
Bro tran
Be advised, this poster does not speak for me, and the claims made that I said such and such "are not true" !
If I say something, I will be responsible for what "I" said, not what another poster says I said !!
Just remember that.
Thanks
IN Christ - MM
Be advised, this poster does not speak for me, and the claims made that I said such and such "are not true" !
If I say something, I will be responsible for what "I" said, not what another poster says I said !!
Just remember that.
Thanks
IN Christ - MM
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Oct 29 2008, 06:16 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 05:36 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 04:53 PM)
What was the first lie that was told in the bible? It was told by the father of lies, Satan himself.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
IN Christ - MM
You're right....still going on today
1 Timothy 2
2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Check out verse 12, this verse should shut down them women preacher immediately
peace in jesus name
Bro. Tan :
With much respect, . . .
The scripture states, Genesis 2:20, 'But for Adam, no suitable helper was found'.
So by that, Adam was in charge of the Garden, not the helper.
The scripture states, Genesis 2:21, 'So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep
sleep : . . .
So by that, Adam was asleep during surgery removal of the RIB.
However, Adam was not asleep when the Devil tempted Eve. Where was Adam ?
So, Adam was awake, right ?
The scripture states, Genesis 2:22, ' . . . and he brought her to the man'.
The womb-man was brought to the man, not the man to the womb-man.
WHO WAS IN CHARGE ? OF COURSE GOD [IHVH] . . . then the contractual agreement
of Adam toward his flesh the womb-man, was made as a eternal covenant/vow :
GENESIS 2:23
The man said,
This is NOW bone of my bones
and FLESH of my flesh,
she shall be called, woman,
for she was taken OUT of man.
As Mysteryman believes, go see GENDER topic he started, the first Adam, is both
male/female.
So, it is clear Adam's One Flesh covenant, sealed the truth of the responsible party
to the FALL OF MAN, in the Garden.
WHO DO YOU THINK THAT WAS ?
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
ACCORDING, to Mysteryman . . . Adam was in control of His One Flesh Covenant,
NOT ASLEEP, awake from the surgery of the RIB [DNA] removal, AWAKE, and Adam hearkened
to the voice of ____________( ONE FLESH ) !
I guess I wouldn't look at adam being male and female, all thought we know woman (female) came out of adam (man).
Its like looking at a horse, a horse is a horse, wheather a horse is a female or male we just call the animal a horse.
Maybe we should call it a horsetries if its a female.
I agree adam blew the mission
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; (Genesis 3:17)
peace in jesus name
eve was the one who was tempted and then encouraged her husband it was not the other way around where they both talked to satan as bro tan put in his post
Adam and Eve didnt listen to god instead they chose to talk to satan thats right talk to satan thats who the serpant is
we all know who the serpant is and the serpant has many names bro tan he is not just seen as the serpant or is he called the devil
do some digging and see the names satan is known by
al i see in Genesis bro tan is the women talking to satan i dont see any where in Genesis where both adam and eve are talking to satan as you had pointed out if you are going to teach on the fall have your facts right bro tan
right know you are looking very foolish by what i have pointed out by what you have left
i noticed you are avoiding me and only talking to mysteryman who does not believe in baptism and has been saying christians should not get baptized
mysteryman wil not play ball with real men when he is Questioned he wil only talk to men like you
sevral of us have woken up to mysteryman
Where was Adam when satan was tempting eve ? did they both die as god said to adam when he warned him ? should not god have kept his word when he said in Genesis 2
Genesis 2 English standard version
15 The lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it
16 And the lord God commanded the man saying you may surely eat of every tree of the garden
17 but of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die
was God warning Adam and Eve in Genesis 2 v 17 or was God only warning Adam ?
we are seen as the heads of our homes right if we as males are seen as the heads of our homes where was adam when his wife was being tempted by satan ? eve was told later when she was formed out of his ribs not to touch the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil she would have known this as they both were free to eat from the other trees but this one tree that God put in the garden which he should not have done at all he warns Adam first and tells him he can eat the fruit from the other trees in the garden but this one tree god puts in the garden he warns Adam and tells Adam if you eat the fruit of this tree you wil die
not only did adam fail god also failed god should not have put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden
satan wanted to hurt god and what better way to hurt god satan saw the oppertunity took the oppertunity and said to Eve did god really say you wil die if you eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge off good and evil
what god does is rebuke them both then he forgives them then he makes them some clothes so eve can cover her private parts and so adam can cover his private parts god also deals with satan since it was satan who got to eve
satan is to blame for what happend in the garden not Adam and not Eve
as eves husband adam failed
also satan new if he was to try to tempt adam adam would not have fallen for his lies
how do we attack the strong man how do we criple a strong man you go for the weakest link the weakest link is his wife his children when you have captured the strong mans wife and the strong mans children you have the strong man in your control a man would do anything to spare his wife and his kids a real man not a wimp or a boy a real man would put his own life in danger he wil even give up his own life to spare his wifes life and his kids lives this is what a real man does little boys and wimps only think of them selves
what did adam say when god confronted them ?
Genesis 3 English standard version
12 The man said the women whom you gave me to be with me she gave me fruit of the tree and I ate it
he could have stood up for his wife and said lord blame me i see a little boy talking to god in this verse a real man would have fought of the devil a real man would have been alert knowing god warned him not to touch the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
adam and eve where very young bro tan a youth was talking to god when god confronted them this is what a teenager does when he is confronted it was not me it was her fault or it was his fault a real man takes charge adam and eve were very young it does not say how young but i am sencing 16 17 years old
but bro tan does not want to walk down this road with me he sees me as unlearned or some one who he cant talk to when it comes to topics like this being discussed in this forum
adam failed his wife his wife caved in and believed in a lie and look what happend satan got his chance to hurt god
god created man after his own image satan destroys gods creation god new if adam and eve where to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil they would be like him they would know what he knows
when it comes to unstable men or little boys they use eves sin as an excuse to rub it in this does not do my sisters in the lord any good when unstable men try to teach on the fall in the garden
all you get is the blind leading the blind when it comes to little boys and wimps trying to teach about the fall in the garden
god forgave adam and he forgave eve he did not kill them he said you wil surely die if you eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
Genesis 3 English standard version
20 the man called his wifes name eve because she was the mother of all living
21 And the lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skin and clothed them
22 Then the lord God said Behold the man has become like one of us in knwoing good and evil Now lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat it and live forever
God new if they failed to heed his warning they would become like them things where going good adam worked the garden both adam and eve were walking in the garden naked adam often talked with god as god visited them adam and eve never new they were walking in the garden naked until eves eyes were opened then she new she was naked
satan picked the perfect person to get back at god unstable men and little boys who think they have a grasp on the fall dont do me or anyone else any good they bring in more confussion to wher their hearers start to think like them believe what they say and then teach others it breads hate towards our sisters unstable men have been doing this for ages blamming my sisters for what happend in the garden it was adam who is to blame not eve but the bible says women
so i am having to use the brain god has given me and seek understanding so i dont trap my hearers to where i have them looking to me i want my hearers to look to god not look to me for all the answers
when i talk on the fal i tell my brothers to use the brain god has given them and not take on what man has to say i am a man my self and i have seen where unstable men who teach on the fal have drawn their hearers to them selves these unstable men want other men to worship them not god
but i will rebuke a guy if i see any unstable guy ussing eves sin as an excuse to rub it in
brothers dont lead other brothers astray we al know the bible says it was the women who was tempted first dont become bitter dont use this to bring down our sisters like i have seen since i have been a christian i have sat in on the fall and have heard many men bring down our sisters when i was young i too was a firm believer and picked up this attitude to where i would use eves sin against my sisters in the lord the lord rebuked me one day and i dont use the fall as an excuse to come down on my sisters in the lord
now lets hear your twisted version to what i have left here
Damo
Adam and Eve didnt listen to god instead they chose to talk to satan thats right talk to satan thats who the serpant is
we all know who the serpant is and the serpant has many names bro tan he is not just seen as the serpant or is he called the devil
do some digging and see the names satan is known by
al i see in Genesis bro tan is the women talking to satan i dont see any where in Genesis where both adam and eve are talking to satan as you had pointed out if you are going to teach on the fall have your facts right bro tan
right know you are looking very foolish by what i have pointed out by what you have left
i noticed you are avoiding me and only talking to mysteryman who does not believe in baptism and has been saying christians should not get baptized
mysteryman wil not play ball with real men when he is Questioned he wil only talk to men like you
sevral of us have woken up to mysteryman
Where was Adam when satan was tempting eve ? did they both die as god said to adam when he warned him ? should not god have kept his word when he said in Genesis 2
Genesis 2 English standard version
15 The lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it
16 And the lord God commanded the man saying you may surely eat of every tree of the garden
17 but of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die
was God warning Adam and Eve in Genesis 2 v 17 or was God only warning Adam ?
we are seen as the heads of our homes right if we as males are seen as the heads of our homes where was adam when his wife was being tempted by satan ? eve was told later when she was formed out of his ribs not to touch the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil she would have known this as they both were free to eat from the other trees but this one tree that God put in the garden which he should not have done at all he warns Adam first and tells him he can eat the fruit from the other trees in the garden but this one tree god puts in the garden he warns Adam and tells Adam if you eat the fruit of this tree you wil die
not only did adam fail god also failed god should not have put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden
satan wanted to hurt god and what better way to hurt god satan saw the oppertunity took the oppertunity and said to Eve did god really say you wil die if you eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge off good and evil
what god does is rebuke them both then he forgives them then he makes them some clothes so eve can cover her private parts and so adam can cover his private parts god also deals with satan since it was satan who got to eve
satan is to blame for what happend in the garden not Adam and not Eve
as eves husband adam failed
also satan new if he was to try to tempt adam adam would not have fallen for his lies
how do we attack the strong man how do we criple a strong man you go for the weakest link the weakest link is his wife his children when you have captured the strong mans wife and the strong mans children you have the strong man in your control a man would do anything to spare his wife and his kids a real man not a wimp or a boy a real man would put his own life in danger he wil even give up his own life to spare his wifes life and his kids lives this is what a real man does little boys and wimps only think of them selves
what did adam say when god confronted them ?
Genesis 3 English standard version
12 The man said the women whom you gave me to be with me she gave me fruit of the tree and I ate it
he could have stood up for his wife and said lord blame me i see a little boy talking to god in this verse a real man would have fought of the devil a real man would have been alert knowing god warned him not to touch the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
adam and eve where very young bro tan a youth was talking to god when god confronted them this is what a teenager does when he is confronted it was not me it was her fault or it was his fault a real man takes charge adam and eve were very young it does not say how young but i am sencing 16 17 years old
but bro tan does not want to walk down this road with me he sees me as unlearned or some one who he cant talk to when it comes to topics like this being discussed in this forum
adam failed his wife his wife caved in and believed in a lie and look what happend satan got his chance to hurt god
god created man after his own image satan destroys gods creation god new if adam and eve where to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil they would be like him they would know what he knows
when it comes to unstable men or little boys they use eves sin as an excuse to rub it in this does not do my sisters in the lord any good when unstable men try to teach on the fall in the garden
all you get is the blind leading the blind when it comes to little boys and wimps trying to teach about the fall in the garden
god forgave adam and he forgave eve he did not kill them he said you wil surely die if you eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
Genesis 3 English standard version
20 the man called his wifes name eve because she was the mother of all living
21 And the lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skin and clothed them
22 Then the lord God said Behold the man has become like one of us in knwoing good and evil Now lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat it and live forever
God new if they failed to heed his warning they would become like them things where going good adam worked the garden both adam and eve were walking in the garden naked adam often talked with god as god visited them adam and eve never new they were walking in the garden naked until eves eyes were opened then she new she was naked
satan picked the perfect person to get back at god unstable men and little boys who think they have a grasp on the fall dont do me or anyone else any good they bring in more confussion to wher their hearers start to think like them believe what they say and then teach others it breads hate towards our sisters unstable men have been doing this for ages blamming my sisters for what happend in the garden it was adam who is to blame not eve but the bible says women
so i am having to use the brain god has given me and seek understanding so i dont trap my hearers to where i have them looking to me i want my hearers to look to god not look to me for all the answers
when i talk on the fal i tell my brothers to use the brain god has given them and not take on what man has to say i am a man my self and i have seen where unstable men who teach on the fal have drawn their hearers to them selves these unstable men want other men to worship them not god
but i will rebuke a guy if i see any unstable guy ussing eves sin as an excuse to rub it in
brothers dont lead other brothers astray we al know the bible says it was the women who was tempted first dont become bitter dont use this to bring down our sisters like i have seen since i have been a christian i have sat in on the fall and have heard many men bring down our sisters when i was young i too was a firm believer and picked up this attitude to where i would use eves sin against my sisters in the lord the lord rebuked me one day and i dont use the fall as an excuse to come down on my sisters in the lord
now lets hear your twisted version to what i have left here
Damo
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 08:48 PM)
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Oct 29 2008, 06:16 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 05:36 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 04:53 PM)
What was the first lie that was told in the bible? It was told by the father of lies, Satan himself.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
IN Christ - MM
You're right....still going on today
1 Timothy 2
2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Check out verse 12, this verse should shut down them women preacher immediately
peace in jesus name
Bro. Tan :
With much respect, . . .
The scripture states, Genesis 2:20, 'But for Adam, no suitable helper was found'.
So by that, Adam was in charge of the Garden, not the helper.
The scripture states, Genesis 2:21, 'So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep
sleep : . . .
So by that, Adam was asleep during surgery removal of the RIB.
However, Adam was not asleep when the Devil tempted Eve. Where was Adam ?
So, Adam was awake, right ?
The scripture states, Genesis 2:22, ' . . . and he brought her to the man'.
The womb-man was brought to the man, not the man to the womb-man.
WHO WAS IN CHARGE ? OF COURSE GOD [IHVH] . . . then the contractual agreement
of Adam toward his flesh the womb-man, was made as a eternal covenant/vow :
GENESIS 2:23
The man said,
This is NOW bone of my bones
and FLESH of my flesh,
she shall be called, woman,
for she was taken OUT of man.
As Mysteryman believes, go see GENDER topic he started, the first Adam, is both
male/female.
So, it is clear Adam's One Flesh covenant, sealed the truth of the responsible party
to the FALL OF MAN, in the Garden.
WHO DO YOU THINK THAT WAS ?
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
ACCORDING, to Mysteryman . . . Adam was in control of His One Flesh Covenant,
NOT ASLEEP, awake from the surgery of the RIB [DNA] removal, AWAKE, and Adam hearkened
to the voice of ____________( ONE FLESH ) !
I guess I wouldn't look at adam being male and female, all thought we know woman (female) came out of adam (man).
Its like looking at a horse, a horse is a horse, wheather a horse is a female or male we just call the animal a horse.
Maybe we should call it a horsetries if its a female.
I agree adam blew the mission
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; (Genesis 3:17)
peace in jesus name
Thank you, Bro. Tan
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QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 08:48 PM)
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Oct 29 2008, 06:16 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 05:36 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 04:53 PM)
What was the first lie that was told in the bible? It was told by the father of lies, Satan himself.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
IN Christ - MM
You're right....still going on today
1 Timothy 2
2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Check out verse 12, this verse should shut down them women preacher immediately
peace in jesus name
Bro. Tan :
With much respect, . . .
The scripture states, Genesis 2:20, 'But for Adam, no suitable helper was found'.
So by that, Adam was in charge of the Garden, not the helper.
The scripture states, Genesis 2:21, 'So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep
sleep : . . .
So by that, Adam was asleep during surgery removal of the RIB.
However, Adam was not asleep when the Devil tempted Eve. Where was Adam ?
So, Adam was awake, right ?
The scripture states, Genesis 2:22, ' . . . and he brought her to the man'.
The womb-man was brought to the man, not the man to the womb-man.
WHO WAS IN CHARGE ? OF COURSE GOD [IHVH] . . . then the contractual agreement
of Adam toward his flesh the womb-man, was made as a eternal covenant/vow :
GENESIS 2:23
The man said,
This is NOW bone of my bones
and FLESH of my flesh,
she shall be called, woman,
for she was taken OUT of man.
As Mysteryman believes, go see GENDER topic he started, the first Adam, is both
male/female.
So, it is clear Adam's One Flesh covenant, sealed the truth of the responsible party
to the FALL OF MAN, in the Garden.
WHO DO YOU THINK THAT WAS ?
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
ACCORDING, to Mysteryman . . . Adam was in control of His One Flesh Covenant,
NOT ASLEEP, awake from the surgery of the RIB [DNA] removal, AWAKE, and Adam hearkened
to the voice of ____________( ONE FLESH ) !
I guess I wouldn't look at adam being male and female, all thought we know woman (female) came out of adam (man).
Its like looking at a horse, a horse is a horse, wheather a horse is a female or male we just call the animal a horse.
Maybe we should call it a horsetries if its a female.
I agree adam blew the mission
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; (Genesis 3:17)
peace in jesus name
In saying that Adam blew it, which he did, in any way an avoidance of the woman which also blew it ?
In Christ - MM
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 30 2008, 08:55 AM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 08:48 PM)
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Oct 29 2008, 06:16 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 05:36 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 04:53 PM)
What was the first lie that was told in the bible? It was told by the father of lies, Satan himself.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
IN Christ - MM
You're right....still going on today
1 Timothy 2
2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Check out verse 12, this verse should shut down them women preacher immediately
peace in jesus name
Bro. Tan :
With much respect, . . .
The scripture states, Genesis 2:20, 'But for Adam, no suitable helper was found'.
So by that, Adam was in charge of the Garden, not the helper.
The scripture states, Genesis 2:21, 'So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep
sleep : . . .
So by that, Adam was asleep during surgery removal of the RIB.
However, Adam was not asleep when the Devil tempted Eve. Where was Adam ?
So, Adam was awake, right ?
The scripture states, Genesis 2:22, ' . . . and he brought her to the man'.
The womb-man was brought to the man, not the man to the womb-man.
WHO WAS IN CHARGE ? OF COURSE GOD [IHVH] . . . then the contractual agreement
of Adam toward his flesh the womb-man, was made as a eternal covenant/vow :
GENESIS 2:23
The man said,
This is NOW bone of my bones
and FLESH of my flesh,
she shall be called, woman,
for she was taken OUT of man.
As Mysteryman believes, go see GENDER topic he started, the first Adam, is both
male/female.
So, it is clear Adam's One Flesh covenant, sealed the truth of the responsible party
to the FALL OF MAN, in the Garden.
WHO DO YOU THINK THAT WAS ?
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
ACCORDING, to Mysteryman . . . Adam was in control of His One Flesh Covenant,
NOT ASLEEP, awake from the surgery of the RIB [DNA] removal, AWAKE, and Adam hearkened
to the voice of ____________( ONE FLESH ) !
I guess I wouldn't look at adam being male and female, all thought we know woman (female) came out of adam (man).
Its like looking at a horse, a horse is a horse, wheather a horse is a female or male we just call the animal a horse.
Maybe we should call it a horsetries if its a female.
I agree adam blew the mission
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; (Genesis 3:17)
peace in jesus name
In saying that Adam blew it, which he did, in any way an avoidance of the woman which also blew it ?
In Christ - MM
Thank you, MM :
I have waited a week for you to say the truth.
Thank you . . . Praise God [IHVH] . . . BOTH BLEW IT !
When you continue to preach against the womb-man, putting the first Adam at central
control headquarters, then back-out of Adam's authority role, when the sin part came into
the scene, it gets confusing to the reader . . . on whether or not you think both parties
. . . MAN + WOMB-MAN BLEW IT !
And I am shouting and speaking out !
I love you, MM. And I am enjoying your presentation lessons. We do not have to agree
on everything.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...p;version=31;9;
Proverbs 1:20-21
20 Wisdom calls aloud in the street,
she raises her voice in the public squares;
21 at the head of the noisy streets [a] she cries out,
in the gateways of the city she makes her speech:
Zephaniah 3:14
King James Bible
Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.
Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; He is just and endowed with salvation, Humble, and mounted on a donkey, Even on a colt, the foal of a donkey. (NASB ©1995)
http://www.dst-corp.com/james/PaintingsOfJesus/Jesus10.jpg
Ephesians 4:11 - 15
Perception
Love IN Christ - MM
Perception
Love IN Christ - MM
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 30 2008, 10:43 AM)
Ephesians 4:11 - 15
Perception
Love IN Christ - MM
Perception
Love IN Christ - MM
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QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 30 2008, 08:55 AM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 08:48 PM)
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Oct 29 2008, 06:16 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 05:36 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 04:53 PM)
What was the first lie that was told in the bible? It was told by the father of lies, Satan himself.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
IN Christ - MM
You're right....still going on today
1 Timothy 2
2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Check out verse 12, this verse should shut down them women preacher immediately
peace in jesus name
Bro. Tan :
With much respect, . . .
The scripture states, Genesis 2:20, 'But for Adam, no suitable helper was found'.
So by that, Adam was in charge of the Garden, not the helper.
The scripture states, Genesis 2:21, 'So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep
sleep : . . .
So by that, Adam was asleep during surgery removal of the RIB.
However, Adam was not asleep when the Devil tempted Eve. Where was Adam ?
So, Adam was awake, right ?
The scripture states, Genesis 2:22, ' . . . and he brought her to the man'.
The womb-man was brought to the man, not the man to the womb-man.
WHO WAS IN CHARGE ? OF COURSE GOD [IHVH] . . . then the contractual agreement
of Adam toward his flesh the womb-man, was made as a eternal covenant/vow :
GENESIS 2:23
The man said,
This is NOW bone of my bones
and FLESH of my flesh,
she shall be called, woman,
for she was taken OUT of man.
As Mysteryman believes, go see GENDER topic he started, the first Adam, is both
male/female.
So, it is clear Adam's One Flesh covenant, sealed the truth of the responsible party
to the FALL OF MAN, in the Garden.
WHO DO YOU THINK THAT WAS ?
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
ACCORDING, to Mysteryman . . . Adam was in control of His One Flesh Covenant,
NOT ASLEEP, awake from the surgery of the RIB [DNA] removal, AWAKE, and Adam hearkened
to the voice of ____________( ONE FLESH ) !
I guess I wouldn't look at adam being male and female, all thought we know woman (female) came out of adam (man).
Its like looking at a horse, a horse is a horse, wheather a horse is a female or male we just call the animal a horse.
Maybe we should call it a horsetries if its a female.
I agree adam blew the mission
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; (Genesis 3:17)
peace in jesus name
In saying that Adam blew it, which he did, in any way an avoidance of the woman which also blew it ?
In Christ - MM
See the thing is, the man is the head of the women
1Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God
Even thought Eve talk to the serpent and brought the conversation back to Adam, adam could have terminated
that conversation, and said, "look Eve I don't to hear that mess." Then the creation would be different. So we
can't put that on the women, its just the way the lord set it up. Even in our lifes we deal with the same types of situation,
women always talking us men into something that we don't care to deal with and we go alone with it anyway.
1Timothy 2
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
peace in jesus name
Bro. Tan :
I re-read your commentary :
So we can't put that on the women, its just the way the lord set it up. Even in our lifes we deal with the same types of situation, women always talking us men into something that we don't care to deal with and we go alone with it anyway.
AND Bro. Tan, look how great the going along with it turned out, with `Esther`: who begged the King . . . `Save my people and me! I am a Jew and Haman plans to kill all of us`!
. . . so sometimes Bro. Tan a woman can help you consider, going along with it
and go down in Biblical history as the Purim success, for the Jews.
Just some food for thought !
http://www.virginia.edu/artmuseum/WE2002/a...s/PIC05_jpg.jpg
http://home.att.net/~nathan.wilson/PurimScript.htm
Scene ten: The invitation and first banquet
Nobles are seated talking with the king.
Esther: (walk in)
All nobles: (look at Esther)
Xerxes: (stretch out scepter) You may come in Esther.
Esther: O Great king, I have something to tell you. I would like to invite you and Haman to a feast that I have prepared.
Xerxes: (To Haman) Haman, prepare to go with me. (To Esther) We will be there soon.
Scene 15: The banquet
Xerxes, Haman, Esther, and Teresh (ready to walk on)
Xerxes: Well, this is great food but what is your request?
Esther: Save my people and me! I am a Jew and Haman plans to kill all of us!
Xerxes: (to Haman) Is this true!
Haman: Well, um, well.
Teresh: (walk in) Lord Haman, I have good news.
Haman: (whisper loudly) Not right now.
Teresh: The gallows are done!
Xerxes: Gallows?
Teresh: (while Haman is trying to stop him) The ones that were built to hang Mordecai on!
Xerxes: What? Hang Mordecai? Hang Haman instead.
Person1 and Person2: (take Haman away)
Bro. Tan:
Here is my research on Esther :
http://cradleofcrimestringsofesther.blogspot.com/
Cradle of Crime, Strings of Esther
HELD BY CORDS [STRINGS/THREADS]
CRADLE/CRIB = ARISA
PURPLE CODE
BLUE CODE
GREEN CODE
ESTHER [HIDDEN]
MORDECHAI
FEAST OF PURIM [LOTS]
PURIM'S PARALLEL'S
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 07:08 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 05:36 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 04:53 PM)
What was the first lie that was told in the bible? It was told by the father of lies, Satan himself.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
IN Christ - MM
You're right....still going on today
1 Timothy 2
2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Check out verse 12, this verse should shut down them women preacher immediately
peace in jesus name
Yes, and the voice of the devil is a she, and the voice of God is a he.
The question is, which voice do we hearken unto.
IN Christ - MM
Thats dumb,,,,,,,,,,, thats why God says satan is the father of lies,,,it doesnt say mother of lies............
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 30 2008, 05:01 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 30 2008, 08:55 AM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 08:48 PM)
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Oct 29 2008, 06:16 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 05:36 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (Bro.Tan @ Oct 29 2008, 04:53 PM)
What was the first lie that was told in the bible? It was told by the father of lies, Satan himself.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
(Gen. 2:7-8) And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v.8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Here's where the Lord God gave man one simple commandment.
(Gen. 2:16-17) (v.16) And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (v.17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now that's not so hard to comprehend. After the Lord made man, then he brought forth the woman.
(Gen. 2:21-22) (v.21) And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(v.22) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Here's where the deception started.
(Gen. 3:1-4) (v.1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(v.2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(v.3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(v.4) And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Adam and Eve didn't listen to God, instead they choose to talk to Satan. That's right, talk to Satan, that's who the serpent is.
(Rev. 20:1-2) (v.1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (v.2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And they didn't eat an apple. (Can an apple make you wise?) But yea they ate fruit all right, the fruit of lies.
(Hosea 10:14) Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
And man has been dying ever since. So what if Adam and Eve hadn't listened to Satan and obeyed God? Man would have eaten from the tree of life (Jesus) and learned how to live forever. Can we understand the significance of that, do we know how far man has fallen. I'll tell you how far we have fallen, we have fallen from Godhood. But by God's grace we have the power to become the sons of God.
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
IN Christ - MM
You're right....still going on today
1 Timothy 2
2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Check out verse 12, this verse should shut down them women preacher immediately
peace in jesus name
Bro. Tan :
With much respect, . . .
The scripture states, Genesis 2:20, 'But for Adam, no suitable helper was found'.
So by that, Adam was in charge of the Garden, not the helper.
The scripture states, Genesis 2:21, 'So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep
sleep : . . .
So by that, Adam was asleep during surgery removal of the RIB.
However, Adam was not asleep when the Devil tempted Eve. Where was Adam ?
So, Adam was awake, right ?
The scripture states, Genesis 2:22, ' . . . and he brought her to the man'.
The womb-man was brought to the man, not the man to the womb-man.
WHO WAS IN CHARGE ? OF COURSE GOD [IHVH] . . . then the contractual agreement
of Adam toward his flesh the womb-man, was made as a eternal covenant/vow :
GENESIS 2:23
The man said,
This is NOW bone of my bones
and FLESH of my flesh,
she shall be called, woman,
for she was taken OUT of man.
As Mysteryman believes, go see GENDER topic he started, the first Adam, is both
male/female.
So, it is clear Adam's One Flesh covenant, sealed the truth of the responsible party
to the FALL OF MAN, in the Garden.
WHO DO YOU THINK THAT WAS ?
Adam didn't talk nor listen to Satan ! He hearkened unto the voice of his wife !
ACCORDING, to Mysteryman . . . Adam was in control of His One Flesh Covenant,
NOT ASLEEP, awake from the surgery of the RIB [DNA] removal, AWAKE, and Adam hearkened
to the voice of ____________( ONE FLESH ) !
I guess I wouldn't look at adam being male and female, all thought we know woman (female) came out of adam (man).
Its like looking at a horse, a horse is a horse, wheather a horse is a female or male we just call the animal a horse.
Maybe we should call it a horsetries if its a female.
I agree adam blew the mission
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; (Genesis 3:17)
peace in jesus name
In saying that Adam blew it, which he did, in any way an avoidance of the woman which also blew it ?
In Christ - MM
See the thing is, the man is the head of the women
1Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God
Even thought Eve talk to the serpent and brought the conversation back to Adam, adam could have terminated
that conversation, and said, "look Eve I don't to hear that mess." Then the creation would be different. So we
can't put that on the women, its just the way the lord set it up. Even in our lifes we deal with the same types of situation,
women always talking us men into something that we don't care to deal with and we go alone with it anyway.
1Timothy 2
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
peace in jesus name
you are loosing it hear bro tan please explaine your self with out blamming the women or saying it was the womens fault i gave a good explanation but i am noticing you are avoiding what i am leaving bro tan and only talking to mysteryman
yes we al know adam was formed first and adam is the head of eve
adam is just at fault to what happend in the garden bro tan
why dont you want to walk down this road with me you call your self a bible christian this is your topic not mine and i am picking your flaws and look you cant even talk propley or say what you really want to say but i see famous trump cards being left in this topic of yours bro tan
both adam and eve were forgiven god did not end their lives like he said if you eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge off good and evil you wil surely die
god forgave them gave them clothes and kicked them out of the garden
sounds to me god dealt with adam and eve in a fair way he also punished satan satan though did what he set out to do
he tempted eve adam could have prottected eve been alert where was adam when eve was being tempted bro tan
why did he not keep an eye out god told him not to touch the fruit of the tree of knowledge off good and evil
he said you can eat all the fruit from the other trees but leave this tree alone
women always talking us men into something we dont want to deal with where do you get this rubbish from bro tan ?
adam failed as the head very simple bro tan dont use what eve did against our sisters in the lord
you are showing me you are unstable in the way you think bro tan i can see it by what you leave in this forum
Damo
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ Oct 30 2008, 05:53 PM)
Bro. Tan :
I re-read your commentary :
So we can't put that on the women, its just the way the lord set it up. Even in our lifes we deal with the same types of situation, women always talking us men into something that we don't care to deal with and we go alone with it anyway.
AND Bro. Tan, look how great the going along with it turned out, with `Esther`: who begged the King . . . `Save my people and me! I am a Jew and Haman plans to kill all of us`!
. . . so sometimes Bro. Tan a woman can help you consider, going along with it
and go down in Biblical history as the Purim success, for the Jews.
Just some food for thought !
http://www.virginia.edu/artmuseum/WE2002/a...s/PIC05_jpg.jpg
http://home.att.net/~nathan.wilson/PurimScript.htm
Scene ten: The invitation and first banquet
Nobles are seated talking with the king.
Esther: (walk in)
All nobles: (look at Esther)
Xerxes: (stretch out scepter) You may come in Esther.
Esther: O Great king, I have something to tell you. I would like to invite you and Haman to a feast that I have prepared.
Xerxes: (To Haman) Haman, prepare to go with me. (To Esther) We will be there soon.
Scene 15: The banquet
Xerxes, Haman, Esther, and Teresh (ready to walk on)
Xerxes: Well, this is great food but what is your request?
Esther: Save my people and me! I am a Jew and Haman plans to kill all of us!
Xerxes: (to Haman) Is this true!
Haman: Well, um, well.
Teresh: (walk in) Lord Haman, I have good news.
Haman: (whisper loudly) Not right now.
Teresh: The gallows are done!
Xerxes: Gallows?
Teresh: (while Haman is trying to stop him) The ones that were built to hang Mordecai on!
Xerxes: What? Hang Mordecai? Hang Haman instead.
Person1 and Person2: (take Haman away)
Bro. Tan:
Here is my research on Esther :
http://cradleofcrimestringsofesther.blogspot.com/
Cradle of Crime, Strings of Esther
HELD BY CORDS [STRINGS/THREADS]
CRADLE/CRIB = ARISA
PURPLE CODE
BLUE CODE
GREEN CODE
ESTHER [HIDDEN]
MORDECHAI
FEAST OF PURIM [LOTS]
PURIM'S PARALLEL'S
I re-read your commentary :
So we can't put that on the women, its just the way the lord set it up. Even in our lifes we deal with the same types of situation, women always talking us men into something that we don't care to deal with and we go alone with it anyway.
AND Bro. Tan, look how great the going along with it turned out, with `Esther`: who begged the King . . . `Save my people and me! I am a Jew and Haman plans to kill all of us`!
. . . so sometimes Bro. Tan a woman can help you consider, going along with it
and go down in Biblical history as the Purim success, for the Jews.
Just some food for thought !
http://www.virginia.edu/artmuseum/WE2002/a...s/PIC05_jpg.jpg
http://home.att.net/~nathan.wilson/PurimScript.htm
Scene ten: The invitation and first banquet
Nobles are seated talking with the king.
Esther: (walk in)
All nobles: (look at Esther)
Xerxes: (stretch out scepter) You may come in Esther.
Esther: O Great king, I have something to tell you. I would like to invite you and Haman to a feast that I have prepared.
Xerxes: (To Haman) Haman, prepare to go with me. (To Esther) We will be there soon.
Scene 15: The banquet
Xerxes, Haman, Esther, and Teresh (ready to walk on)
Xerxes: Well, this is great food but what is your request?
Esther: Save my people and me! I am a Jew and Haman plans to kill all of us!
Xerxes: (to Haman) Is this true!
Haman: Well, um, well.
Teresh: (walk in) Lord Haman, I have good news.
Haman: (whisper loudly) Not right now.
Teresh: The gallows are done!
Xerxes: Gallows?
Teresh: (while Haman is trying to stop him) The ones that were built to hang Mordecai on!
Xerxes: What? Hang Mordecai? Hang Haman instead.
Person1 and Person2: (take Haman away)
Bro. Tan:
Here is my research on Esther :
http://cradleofcrimestringsofesther.blogspot.com/
Cradle of Crime, Strings of Esther
HELD BY CORDS [STRINGS/THREADS]
CRADLE/CRIB = ARISA
PURPLE CODE
BLUE CODE
GREEN CODE
ESTHER [HIDDEN]
MORDECHAI
FEAST OF PURIM [LOTS]
PURIM'S PARALLEL'S
I understand that a women can do good, like moses wife save his live from God.
Exodus 4:24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him.
4:25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
4:26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.
The thing is in todays life a lot of women are not raise in the word of God, and I'm talking about the
uncut word of God, where sisters and brothers keep the commandment of God. God have order we
can't function right with out order (law). Lets take a look at the type of woman God expects man to have.
Proverbs 18:22 Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.
Proverbs 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
31:12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life
31:26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.
31:27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
31:28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
31:29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
31:30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
31:31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.
So I understand that some women can do good, and are raise the way that they should be raise in the word of God
peace in jesus name
The Soul: Is It The Body Or In The Body?
(Is. 51:23) But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over. It said bow down thou soul and the body was laid as the ground. The body is the soul.
Everybody knows how your basic funeral goes. The preacher says this is not the sister or brother you see here in the casket. This is just a shell, that old fleshly body. There soul didn't die; it has made its home coming. But that's contrary to what the bible teaches about the soul, but that's right in line with what Satan's Minster teach, who tell you what their master tells them. YE SHALT NOT SURELY DIE.
But the scripture saith, (Eze. 18:1-4,20) (v.1) The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying,
(v.2) What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
(v.3) As I live, saith the Lord God, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
(v.4) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Now what more proof do you need, THE LORD GOD SAID, the soul that sinneth it shall die. If God said the soul can die I've got to go with it.
(v.20) The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
(Is. 51:23) But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over. It said bow down thou soul and the body was laid as the ground. The body is the soul.
Everybody knows how your basic funeral goes. The preacher says this is not the sister or brother you see here in the casket. This is just a shell, that old fleshly body. There soul didn't die; it has made its home coming. But that's contrary to what the bible teaches about the soul, but that's right in line with what Satan's Minster teach, who tell you what their master tells them. YE SHALT NOT SURELY DIE.
But the scripture saith, (Eze. 18:1-4,20) (v.1) The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying,
(v.2) What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
(v.3) As I live, saith the Lord God, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
(v.4) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Now what more proof do you need, THE LORD GOD SAID, the soul that sinneth it shall die. If God said the soul can die I've got to go with it.
(v.20) The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
The Soul: Is It The Body Or In The Body?
Let the bible speak.
(James 1:21) Wherefore lay aside all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save yours souls. Why must we try to save our souls, if our souls can't die?
(2Peter 2:14) Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin: beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children. You mean it's possible to have an unstable soul inside of you? The Lord told you in Ezekiel, that the soul that sins it shall die.
(James 5:20) Let him know that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his ways shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. Isn't that something, save a soul (that you say can't die) from death, you better read your bible for yourself.
(1Peter 3:20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
(Gen. 7:13) In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Ja'-pheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark. Here the word soul is simply used as it is meant, the person, the whole person and nothing but the person. And why did their souls need to be saved, if the little inner man doesn't die?
(Palsm 30:1-3) I will extol thee, O Lord; for thou hast lifted me up, and hast not made my foes to rejoice over me.
(v.2) O Lord my God, I cried unto thee, and thou hast healed me.
(v.3) O Lord, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave. What is the soul doing in the grave? This is Jesus talking about his resurrection from the grave (dead.)
Look at what Isaac told Esau (Gen. 27:4) And make me savory meat, such as I love, and bring it to me, that I may eat; that my soul may bless thee before I die. Why is Isaac worrying about blessing Esau before he dies if his soul is going to live on. Isaac knew that when he died, all of him was dead.
(Rev. 16:3) And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. Do we understand that every living soul died? So souls not only means the body in the Old- testament, they are one in the same in the New Testament.
Let the bible speak.
(James 1:21) Wherefore lay aside all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save yours souls. Why must we try to save our souls, if our souls can't die?
(2Peter 2:14) Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin: beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children. You mean it's possible to have an unstable soul inside of you? The Lord told you in Ezekiel, that the soul that sins it shall die.
(James 5:20) Let him know that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his ways shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. Isn't that something, save a soul (that you say can't die) from death, you better read your bible for yourself.
(1Peter 3:20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
(Gen. 7:13) In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Ja'-pheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark. Here the word soul is simply used as it is meant, the person, the whole person and nothing but the person. And why did their souls need to be saved, if the little inner man doesn't die?
(Palsm 30:1-3) I will extol thee, O Lord; for thou hast lifted me up, and hast not made my foes to rejoice over me.
(v.2) O Lord my God, I cried unto thee, and thou hast healed me.
(v.3) O Lord, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave. What is the soul doing in the grave? This is Jesus talking about his resurrection from the grave (dead.)
Look at what Isaac told Esau (Gen. 27:4) And make me savory meat, such as I love, and bring it to me, that I may eat; that my soul may bless thee before I die. Why is Isaac worrying about blessing Esau before he dies if his soul is going to live on. Isaac knew that when he died, all of him was dead.
(Rev. 16:3) And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. Do we understand that every living soul died? So souls not only means the body in the Old- testament, they are one in the same in the New Testament.
So I understand that some women can do good, and are raise the way that they should be raise in the word of God (quote by Bro. Tan)
Thank you, Bro. Tan . . . indeed, we have a need to pray for uniting the anoint
Thank you, Bro. Tan . . . indeed, we have a need to pray for uniting the anoint