What is the "comforter" that Jesus said he would send, "after" he left and went back to his Father ?
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
The word - "Spirit upon" means that a man of God is anointed with the Spirit of God.
The words - "Holy Spirit" upon, means the same thing.
Being filled with the "Holy Spirit" means the same thing, but is given to Prophets and prophetesses.
Both Prophetes and Prophetesses bring forth a message for God, one with authority and the other with words of comfort and exhortation. Both receive direct messages from God, but the messages differ. Some prophetesses are inspired , while the others are given a direct message from God to a woman or women, or even a congregation. Allways words of comfort and exhortation. While a Prophet will give a message from God directly to a congregation or an individual and it is a message of authortiy.
Neither the "Spirit upon" , nor being filled with the "Holy Spirit" is the comforter.
In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16
The comforter can not come until he goes back to the Father. Jesus also says, that after he leaves, then will he send the comforter. We know on the day of pentecost, that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the words spoken were not that which Jesus tells us of within these verses ! The words spoken on the day of pentecost magnified God. But the words of the comforter will not magnify God.
The words of the comforter will - remind us who receive the comforter, of his words that he spoke. The comforter will reprove the world of its sin, because they believed not. The comforter will judge between righteousness and unrighteousness. The comforter will guide you into all truth. The comforter will not speak of himself . The comforter will only repeat what it hears. The comforter will show you things to come. The comforter will glorify me (Jesus Christ). The comforter shall receive of mine (his). The comforter will show this unto you.
So what is the comforter ?
The comforter is the Spirit of His Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. It is the "Christ IN you" the hope of glory. The riches of the Mystery. And the comforter will do what is spoken of within these verses in the gospel of John.
Christ is the head of the Church, the body of Christ. And all those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the world, and he has put them in the body where it pleases him. These "have" received the "seed" of Christ IN them. < These and only these receive the "comforter".
There are "two" folds and in the future, the two folds will become one. As - the body of Christ and Christ are one.
My sheep will hear my voice. The body of Christ is the "voice" of Christ - Now .
The apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Evangilists, and Pastores, are given unto the body of Christ, so that the body of Christ does not get blown about with every wind of doctorine. The body of Christ is to reveal unrigheousness and set an example of righteousness. The body of Christ will know the truth. Paul's ministry was "unto" the Church, and he told those of the Church that you have us as an example for you to follow. So that, the body of Christ can set an example unto the world.
God Bless
Love IN Christ - Christ IN -- MM
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QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 10:37 AM) 
What is the "comforter" that Jesus said he would send, "after" he left and went back to his Father ?
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
The word - "Spirit upon" means that a man of God is anointed with the Spirit of God.
The words - "Holy Spirit" upon, means the same thing.
Being filled with the "Holy Spirit" means the same thing, but is given to Prophets and prophetesses.
Both Prophetes and Prophetesses bring forth a message for God, one with authority and the other with words of comfort and exhortation. Both receive direct messages from God, but the messages differ. Some prophetesses are inspired , while the others are given a direct message from God to a woman or women, or even a congregation. Allways words of comfort and exhortation. While a Prophet will give a message from God directly to a congregation or an individual and it is a message of authortiy.
Neither the "Spirit upon" , nor being filled with the "Holy Spirit" is the comforter.
In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16
The comforter can not come until he goes back to the Father. Jesus also says, that after he leaves, then will he send the comforter. We know on the day of pentecost, that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the words spoken were not that which Jesus tells us of within these verses ! The words spoken on the day of pentecost magnified God. But the words of the comforter will not magnify God.
The words of the comforter will - remind us who receive the comforter, of his words that he spoke. The comforter will reprove the world of its sin, because they believed not. The comforter will judge between righteousness and unrighteousness. The comforter will guide you into all truth. The comforter will not speak of himself . The comforter will only repeat what it hears. The comforter will show you things to come. The comforter will glorify me (Jesus Christ). The comforter shall receive of mine (his). The comforter will show this unto you.
So what is the comforter ?
The comforter is the Spirit of His Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. It is the "Christ IN you" the hope of glory. The riches of the Mystery. And the comforter will do what is spoken of within these verses in the gospel of John.
Christ is the head of the Church, the body of Christ. And all those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the world, and he has put them in the body where it pleases him. These "have" received the "seed" of Christ IN them. < These and only these receive the "comforter".
There are "two" folds and in the future, the two folds will become one. As - the body of Christ and Christ are one.
My sheep will hear my voice. The body of Christ is the "voice" of Christ - Now .
The apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Evangilists, and Pastores, are given unto the body of Christ, so that the body of Christ does not get blown about with every wind of doctorine. The body of Christ is to reveal unrigheousness and set an example of righteousness. The body of Christ will know the truth. Paul's ministry was "unto" the Church, and he told those of the Church that you have us as an example for you to follow. So that, the body of Christ can set an example unto the world.
God Bless
Love IN Christ - Christ IN -- MM
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
The word - "Spirit upon" means that a man of God is anointed with the Spirit of God.
The words - "Holy Spirit" upon, means the same thing.
Being filled with the "Holy Spirit" means the same thing, but is given to Prophets and prophetesses.
Both Prophetes and Prophetesses bring forth a message for God, one with authority and the other with words of comfort and exhortation. Both receive direct messages from God, but the messages differ. Some prophetesses are inspired , while the others are given a direct message from God to a woman or women, or even a congregation. Allways words of comfort and exhortation. While a Prophet will give a message from God directly to a congregation or an individual and it is a message of authortiy.
Neither the "Spirit upon" , nor being filled with the "Holy Spirit" is the comforter.
In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16
The comforter can not come until he goes back to the Father. Jesus also says, that after he leaves, then will he send the comforter. We know on the day of pentecost, that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the words spoken were not that which Jesus tells us of within these verses ! The words spoken on the day of pentecost magnified God. But the words of the comforter will not magnify God.
The words of the comforter will - remind us who receive the comforter, of his words that he spoke. The comforter will reprove the world of its sin, because they believed not. The comforter will judge between righteousness and unrighteousness. The comforter will guide you into all truth. The comforter will not speak of himself . The comforter will only repeat what it hears. The comforter will show you things to come. The comforter will glorify me (Jesus Christ). The comforter shall receive of mine (his). The comforter will show this unto you.
So what is the comforter ?
The comforter is the Spirit of His Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. It is the "Christ IN you" the hope of glory. The riches of the Mystery. And the comforter will do what is spoken of within these verses in the gospel of John.
Christ is the head of the Church, the body of Christ. And all those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the world, and he has put them in the body where it pleases him. These "have" received the "seed" of Christ IN them. < These and only these receive the "comforter".
There are "two" folds and in the future, the two folds will become one. As - the body of Christ and Christ are one.
My sheep will hear my voice. The body of Christ is the "voice" of Christ - Now .
The apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Evangilists, and Pastores, are given unto the body of Christ, so that the body of Christ does not get blown about with every wind of doctorine. The body of Christ is to reveal unrigheousness and set an example of righteousness. The body of Christ will know the truth. Paul's ministry was "unto" the Church, and he told those of the Church that you have us as an example for you to follow. So that, the body of Christ can set an example unto the world.
God Bless
Love IN Christ - Christ IN -- MM
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QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 13 2008, 08:50 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 10:37 AM)
What is the "comforter" that Jesus said he would send, "after" he left and went back to his Father ?
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
The word - "Spirit upon" means that a man of God is anointed with the Spirit of God.
The words - "Holy Spirit" upon, means the same thing.
Being filled with the "Holy Spirit" means the same thing, but is given to Prophets and prophetesses.
Both Prophetes and Prophetesses bring forth a message for God, one with authority and the other with words of comfort and exhortation. Both receive direct messages from God, but the messages differ. Some prophetesses are inspired , while the others are given a direct message from God to a woman or women, or even a congregation. Allways words of comfort and exhortation. While a Prophet will give a message from God directly to a congregation or an individual and it is a message of authortiy.
Neither the "Spirit upon" , nor being filled with the "Holy Spirit" is the comforter.
In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16
The comforter can not come until he goes back to the Father. Jesus also says, that after he leaves, then will he send the comforter. We know on the day of pentecost, that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the words spoken were not that which Jesus tells us of within these verses ! The words spoken on the day of pentecost magnified God. But the words of the comforter will not magnify God.
The words of the comforter will - remind us who receive the comforter, of his words that he spoke. The comforter will reprove the world of its sin, because they believed not. The comforter will judge between righteousness and unrighteousness. The comforter will guide you into all truth. The comforter will not speak of himself . The comforter will only repeat what it hears. The comforter will show you things to come. The comforter will glorify me (Jesus Christ). The comforter shall receive of mine (his). The comforter will show this unto you.
So what is the comforter ?
The comforter is the Spirit of His Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. It is the "Christ IN you" the hope of glory. The riches of the Mystery. And the comforter will do what is spoken of within these verses in the gospel of John.
Christ is the head of the Church, the body of Christ. And all those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the world, and he has put them in the body where it pleases him. These "have" received the "seed" of Christ IN them. < These and only these receive the "comforter".
There are "two" folds and in the future, the two folds will become one. As - the body of Christ and Christ are one.
My sheep will hear my voice. The body of Christ is the "voice" of Christ - Now .
The apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Evangilists, and Pastores, are given unto the body of Christ, so that the body of Christ does not get blown about with every wind of doctorine. The body of Christ is to reveal unrigheousness and set an example of righteousness. The body of Christ will know the truth. Paul's ministry was "unto" the Church, and he told those of the Church that you have us as an example for you to follow. So that, the body of Christ can set an example unto the world.
God Bless
Love IN Christ - Christ IN -- MM
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
The word - "Spirit upon" means that a man of God is anointed with the Spirit of God.
The words - "Holy Spirit" upon, means the same thing.
Being filled with the "Holy Spirit" means the same thing, but is given to Prophets and prophetesses.
Both Prophetes and Prophetesses bring forth a message for God, one with authority and the other with words of comfort and exhortation. Both receive direct messages from God, but the messages differ. Some prophetesses are inspired , while the others are given a direct message from God to a woman or women, or even a congregation. Allways words of comfort and exhortation. While a Prophet will give a message from God directly to a congregation or an individual and it is a message of authortiy.
Neither the "Spirit upon" , nor being filled with the "Holy Spirit" is the comforter.
In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16
The comforter can not come until he goes back to the Father. Jesus also says, that after he leaves, then will he send the comforter. We know on the day of pentecost, that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the words spoken were not that which Jesus tells us of within these verses ! The words spoken on the day of pentecost magnified God. But the words of the comforter will not magnify God.
The words of the comforter will - remind us who receive the comforter, of his words that he spoke. The comforter will reprove the world of its sin, because they believed not. The comforter will judge between righteousness and unrighteousness. The comforter will guide you into all truth. The comforter will not speak of himself . The comforter will only repeat what it hears. The comforter will show you things to come. The comforter will glorify me (Jesus Christ). The comforter shall receive of mine (his). The comforter will show this unto you.
So what is the comforter ?
The comforter is the Spirit of His Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. It is the "Christ IN you" the hope of glory. The riches of the Mystery. And the comforter will do what is spoken of within these verses in the gospel of John.
Christ is the head of the Church, the body of Christ. And all those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the world, and he has put them in the body where it pleases him. These "have" received the "seed" of Christ IN them. < These and only these receive the "comforter".
There are "two" folds and in the future, the two folds will become one. As - the body of Christ and Christ are one.
My sheep will hear my voice. The body of Christ is the "voice" of Christ - Now .
The apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Evangilists, and Pastores, are given unto the body of Christ, so that the body of Christ does not get blown about with every wind of doctorine. The body of Christ is to reveal unrigheousness and set an example of righteousness. The body of Christ will know the truth. Paul's ministry was "unto" the Church, and he told those of the Church that you have us as an example for you to follow. So that, the body of Christ can set an example unto the world.
God Bless
Love IN Christ - Christ IN -- MM
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In your dreams MM
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 09:37 AM)
What is the "comforter" that Jesus said he would send, "after" he left and went back to his Father ?
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 03:21 AM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 09:37 AM)
What is the "comforter" that Jesus said he would send, "after" he left and went back to his Father ?
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Selah:
Did not Jesus say, I and my Father are one ? You underlined "is the Holy Ghost". Why didn't you underline - "the Father will send in my name" ?
Obviously, by what you underlined , if I was to ask you what the "name" of the comforter is ? What would be your response ? The "Holy Spirit" , or , "Christ" ?
Also, you only quoted just one verse of scripture, when in fact there is more than one verse that gives the "whole" explanation. So why not look at the "whole" rather than just a "part" ?
Love IN Christ - M M
I think mystery man is godsloft
I must have missed this thread! Tell us more about the Holy Spirit! I was raised to know Jesus (the door) into the kingdom. I have accepted Him as my Savior and Lord. But the religion I was brought up in did not expound on the work of the Holy Spirit...maybe because they did not understand fully.
The last two years, I have search and sought after God and He is revealing more of His Spirit to me. But I have so much to learn!
The last two years, I have search and sought after God and He is revealing more of His Spirit to me. But I have so much to learn!
QUOTE (journey @ Nov 14 2008, 10:43 AM)
I must have missed this thread! Tell us more about the Holy Spirit! I was raised to know Jesus (the door) into the kingdom. I have accepted Him as my Savior and Lord. But the religion I was brought up in did not expound on the work of the Holy Spirit...maybe because they did not understand fully.
The last two years, I have search and sought after God and He is revealing more of His Spirit to me. But I have so much to learn!
The last two years, I have search and sought after God and He is revealing more of His Spirit to me. But I have so much to learn!
In the Word of God, we read, that God is Spirit. That Spirit , is the Holy Spirit. Men of God have the "Spirit of God" upon them. Christians with the baptism of the day of pentecost, received a "gift" of holy spirit upon them. This allows them to operate the nine manifestations of - "The Spirit". These can be found in I Corinth. 12:1 - 14.
In the OT Prophets had the "Spirit of God upon them". If God took it off of them, they then no longer received revelation from God. Which he did at certain times. And at times, he put it back upon them, and they prophesied.
Prophetesses are "filled" with the Spirit of God. It is "not" upon them. Being filled with , means that God is giving them a specific task. A Prophetess "always" gives words of comfort , edification, and exhortation. Always ! It never changes, because God is a God that changes not.
The prophecy of the gift of holy spirit upon Christians, is to operate the nine manifestations of the Spirit. Prophecy is one of the nine. Since it comes from within the body of Christ, the wife of/to Christ. The body of Christ is the prophetess. The ony prophecy from those in the body of Christ are words of comfort, edification, and exhortation. This can be found in I Corith. chapter 14. This prophesy is to build up the body of Christ. It is also used to be a sign unto those who do not believe. It can draw them closer to God, to hear such words of comfort, edification, and exhortation. The body of Christ as a "whole" is the prophetess. The prophetess "only" repeats what a Prophet has already said.
Moving on:
Apostles, Prophets and evangilists, and teachers, and Pastors, are "given" to the church for "instruction", and an "example" to follow. The evangilists and teachers and Pastors are subject unto the Apostles and Prophets. We find this within first and second Timothy. If evangilists and teachers and Pastors do not want to be in subjection to the Apostles and Prophets, they are to step down gracefully. Paul "never" , even within his authority, orders anyone , as if it is a law within the Church, to step down. However, Paul will mark these men who cause division . We can see this in I Timothy 1:19 & 20 and II Timothy 2:16 & 17. The reason I am sharing this with you, is to lay down a foundation by which to follow the truth. Paul was "a" man of God with authority. Spiritual authority.
The Word of God is a mirror image of itself, yet, never changes ! Administrations change, but God and His Word does not change !
God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. He is the same God that was in the OT, and he is still the same God in the NT.
He is The Holy Spirit.
Men of God - upon
Women of God - filled with
The body of Christ - "filled with" - Acts 2:4 - "filled with the Holy Spirit" - day of pentecost the disciples who already had the Spirit of God upon them, now were "filled with the Holy Spirit", and they "spoke" words of comfort, edification, and exhortation. Words "of" - a - Prophetess. Ephesians 5:18 & 19 is a great example of being "filled with the Holy Spirit". < Where ? Answer: "In your heart".
Acts 2:14 thru 41 is Peter standing up "as" a man of God , with the Spirit of God upon him. Notice what it says in verse 41 - "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized" , Not in water, in fire, with the gift of holy spirit upon them. Now read verse 42 - "And they continued stedfastly in the "apostles" doctorine. Apostles doctorine. not the doctorine of men, but of Apostles of God. What happened next ? They believed, had all things common, sold their possesions, and parted them to every man who had need. Singleness of heart ! < Then and only "then" did the Lord add to the church daily such as sould be added. God does not add to the church within division or confusion. Only within the singleness of heart. Believing with singleness of heart, to the point, that they had all things common. Even sold their possesions to take care of those who believed , that had need.
If you want to see the Church grow like it did here in Acts 2:42 - 47, you "must" follow this example to the exact example that was set . Man of God "first, then preaching, then believing, then likeness of mind, then faith with works.
If you see a so called man of God on TV, that says - "we are brought to you by your tithes and offering". Shut the TV off !! They are false teachers !! This is "not" singleness of heart ! It is "not" the will of God ! They are "not" men of God !
You "must" be able to recognize a true man of God ! How ? By not being "ignorant" of the Word of God ! I believe that one of the greatest sermons ever given, is Peter in Acts 2:14 - 41.
And to think, I am just touching the surface here.
God Bless - IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
Journey, Please don't listen to anything that MysteryMan has to say about this. He is totally lost on this issue.
Read John 14-15.
Also, Paul has a whole lot to say about the nature and role of the Holy Spirit of God in his letters. There are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these three are one God. They each fulfill a different role in what theologians calle the godhead or the trinity. They each fulfill a different role in our lives. They each have the same character of heart as each are perfectly God. But the Holy Spirit reveals Jesus to our hearts. He is a person. He germinates divine love in our hearts. The more we seek the Lord and obey him, the more the Holy SPirit's presence is evident in out lives through the "fruit of the Spirit" Galations 5:22, which are the character traits of God Himself.
Read John 14-15.
Also, Paul has a whole lot to say about the nature and role of the Holy Spirit of God in his letters. There are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these three are one God. They each fulfill a different role in what theologians calle the godhead or the trinity. They each fulfill a different role in our lives. They each have the same character of heart as each are perfectly God. But the Holy Spirit reveals Jesus to our hearts. He is a person. He germinates divine love in our hearts. The more we seek the Lord and obey him, the more the Holy SPirit's presence is evident in out lives through the "fruit of the Spirit" Galations 5:22, which are the character traits of God Himself.
QUOTE (Adam Weishaupt @ Nov 14 2008, 01:01 PM)
Journey, Please don't listen to anything that MysteryMan has to say about this. He is totally lost on this issue.
Read John 14-15.
Also, Paul has a whole lot to say about the nature and role of the Holy Spirit of God in his letters. There are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these three are one God. They each fulfill a different role in what theologians calle the godhead or the trinity. They each fulfill a different role in our lives. They each have the same character of heart as each are perfectly God. But the Holy Spirit reveals Jesus to our hearts. He is a person. He germinates divine love in our hearts. The more we seek the Lord and obey him, the more the Holy SPirit's presence is evident in out lives through the "fruit of the Spirit" Galations 5:22, which are the character traits of God Himself.
Read John 14-15.
Also, Paul has a whole lot to say about the nature and role of the Holy Spirit of God in his letters. There are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these three are one God. They each fulfill a different role in what theologians calle the godhead or the trinity. They each fulfill a different role in our lives. They each have the same character of heart as each are perfectly God. But the Holy Spirit reveals Jesus to our hearts. He is a person. He germinates divine love in our hearts. The more we seek the Lord and obey him, the more the Holy SPirit's presence is evident in out lives through the "fruit of the Spirit" Galations 5:22, which are the character traits of God Himself.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU
I knew you were a smart cookie....even if you don't always agree with me.
Thanks WW.
Notice how some of us are reacing out to Journey out of love and concern, while others are attempting to draw away students after themselves and their teachings, not after Jesus Himself, which is what the Holy Spirit in us does.
29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31 Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish everyone with tears. Acts 20:29-31.
Notice how some of us are reacing out to Journey out of love and concern, while others are attempting to draw away students after themselves and their teachings, not after Jesus Himself, which is what the Holy Spirit in us does.
29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31 Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish everyone with tears. Acts 20:29-31.
If He is leading me astray, show me where! The one reason I do not post here a lot is because of the hatred I see toward other posters. IF MM is wrong then where is the love, to guide him to truth? All I have read is accusations toward him as a person.
I want to hear more MM..........
I want to hear more MM..........
QUOTE (journey @ Nov 14 2008, 11:38 AM)
If He is leading me astray, show me where! The one reason I do not post here a lot is because of the hatred I see toward other posters. IF MM is wrong then where is the love, to guide him to truth? All I have read is accusations toward him as a person.
I want to hear more MM..........
I want to hear more MM..........
I have not shown MM or anyone hatred, that much is sure. Hatred is such a strong word too. It is not hatred to call someone out as a teacher of dangerous falsehood. That is what Jesus, the apostles and prophets did and that is what Jesus' followers are supposed to do, "expose the darkness." This is an act of love, not hate.
25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
"7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. John 16:7-11.
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that He will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15.
"32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." Acts 2:32-33.
It is clear from these passages alone that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 05:45 AM)
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 03:21 AM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 09:37 AM)
What is the "comforter" that Jesus said he would send, "after" he left and went back to his Father ?
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Selah:
Did not Jesus say, I and my Father are one ? You underlined "is the Holy Ghost". Why didn't you underline - "the Father will send in my name" ?
Obviously, by what you underlined , if I was to ask you what the "name" of the comforter is ? What would be your response ? The "Holy Spirit" , or , "Christ" ?
Also, you only quoted just one verse of scripture, when in fact there is more than one verse that gives the "whole" explanation. So why not look at the "whole" rather than just a "part" ?
Love IN Christ - M M
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
You ask a lot of questions! I didn't see not one single passage of the Bible in your OP. I saw you giving your opinion and not using the foundation-which is the Word of Yahweh. So I gave you a passage and you critique me by what I underlined...I just don't know sometimes about you MM. Would you like for me to quote the whole Bible and underline every Word? The Holy Bible is our reminder of ALL things, and The Holy Bible is food for comfort. And it's not the Bible itself; it's the words therein that leap off the pages and enter your heart mind and soul. I could go on for hours discussing this, but it's effortless if you're going to pick and choose and critique-you make it almost impossible to discuss Scripture with you. My guess is that if we were in person, the conversation would be a lot different, but because of the limitations via the internet; I am not able supply you fully what you're asking directly to me
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 03:27 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 05:45 AM)
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 03:21 AM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 09:37 AM)
What is the "comforter" that Jesus said he would send, "after" he left and went back to his Father ?
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Selah:
Did not Jesus say, I and my Father are one ? You underlined "is the Holy Ghost". Why didn't you underline - "the Father will send in my name" ?
Obviously, by what you underlined , if I was to ask you what the "name" of the comforter is ? What would be your response ? The "Holy Spirit" , or , "Christ" ?
Also, you only quoted just one verse of scripture, when in fact there is more than one verse that gives the "whole" explanation. So why not look at the "whole" rather than just a "part" ?
Love IN Christ - M M
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
You ask a lot of questions! I didn't see not one single passage of the Bible in your OP. I saw you giving your opinion and not using the foundation-which is the Word of Yahweh. So I gave you a passage and you critique me by what I underlined...I just don't know sometimes about you MM. Would you like for me to quote the whole Bible and underline every Word? The Holy Bible is our reminder of ALL things, and The Holy Bible is food for comfort. And it's not the Bible itself; it's the words therein that leap off the pages and enter your heart mind and soul. I could go on for hours discussing this, but it's effortless if you're going to pick and choose and critique-you make it almost impossible to discuss Scripture with you. My guess is that if we were in person, the conversation would be a lot different, but because of the limitations via the internet; I am not able supply you fully what you're asking directly to me
Selah
This is a "quote" from my opening post > cut and paste
Quote: "In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16"
Then I proceeded to give a full explanation. Now, this could be an oversighton your part. But my question to you still stands. Why did you underline, just those words, and not the words, that state, that the comforter is coming in my name ?
You still can answer the question without too much difficulty.
Love IN Christ - M M
The Comforter/Paracletos" who will "come in my name" means that the Holy Spirit is a person who comes in total obediance to and representing the character of Jesus the Messiah. It means to be in identification with someone to come in their name. It means that you come in the person's authority having been given to you by them personally. That is all that this meant in those times.
QUOTE (Adam Weishaupt @ Nov 14 2008, 01:08 PM)
QUOTE (journey @ Nov 14 2008, 11:38 AM)
If He is leading me astray, show me where! The one reason I do not post here a lot is because of the hatred I see toward other posters. IF MM is wrong then where is the love, to guide him to truth? All I have read is accusations toward him as a person.
I want to hear more MM..........
I want to hear more MM..........
I have not shown MM or anyone hatred, that much is sure. Hatred is such a strong word too. It is not hatred to call someone out as a teacher of dangerous falsehood. That is what Jesus, the apostles and prophets did and that is what Jesus' followers are supposed to do, "expose the darkness." This is an act of love, not hate.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
"7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. John 16:7-11.
12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that He will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15.
"32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." Acts 2:32-33.
It is clear from these passages alone that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.
To clear things up here !
Journey did not say you were being hateful to me. She said, that the reason she does not post here, is because she see too much hate here. She was not specifically referencing you. Got it ?
Next, What she was pointing out to you, is that you not only did not love me, but made reference of me as an enemy of sorts. You might have even in your heart beleived when you typed that post, that I was an enemy.
You sure made reference to her , to not believe anything I say, or teach. Yet, you failed to prove me wrong, and you failed in loving me, by not discussing it with me first, before you branded me as one who she should stay away from .
You can sugar coat words all you like Eli, but the fact remains, you were not thinking in her best interest at the time you wrote that post warning her of me. If you were concerned for her, you would have come back with a post showing where I was wrong, with what you believe to be the truth.
Any time Eli, you want to talk to "me" about something, be my guest ! But don't ever talk about me as one who others should stay away from, unless you have biblical proof positive, that I do not know what I am talking about !
Now Eli, you and me, lets go at it ! One on one sir. Show me you are man enough to talk the truth with me !
If you want to play nice, I can play nice. But if you want to get right down to bare facts, lets go at it sir ! You first, one on one !
You make just one slight error, and I will put your own words right back down that windpipe it came out of !
Ready ??
IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 02:46 PM)
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 03:27 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 05:45 AM)
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 03:21 AM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 09:37 AM)
What is the "comforter" that Jesus said he would send, "after" he left and went back to his Father ?
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Selah:
Did not Jesus say, I and my Father are one ? You underlined "is the Holy Ghost". Why didn't you underline - "the Father will send in my name" ?
Obviously, by what you underlined , if I was to ask you what the "name" of the comforter is ? What would be your response ? The "Holy Spirit" , or , "Christ" ?
Also, you only quoted just one verse of scripture, when in fact there is more than one verse that gives the "whole" explanation. So why not look at the "whole" rather than just a "part" ?
Love IN Christ - M M
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
You ask a lot of questions! I didn't see not one single passage of the Bible in your OP. I saw you giving your opinion and not using the foundation-which is the Word of Yahweh. So I gave you a passage and you critique me by what I underlined...I just don't know sometimes about you MM. Would you like for me to quote the whole Bible and underline every Word? The Holy Bible is our reminder of ALL things, and The Holy Bible is food for comfort. And it's not the Bible itself; it's the words therein that leap off the pages and enter your heart mind and soul. I could go on for hours discussing this, but it's effortless if you're going to pick and choose and critique-you make it almost impossible to discuss Scripture with you. My guess is that if we were in person, the conversation would be a lot different, but because of the limitations via the internet; I am not able supply you fully what you're asking directly to me
Selah
This is a "quote" from my opening post > cut and paste
Quote: "In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16"
Then I proceeded to give a full explanation. Now, this could be an oversighton your part. But my question to you still stands. Why did you underline, just those words, and not the words, that state, that the comforter is coming in my name ?
You still can answer the question without too much difficulty.
Love IN Christ - M M
That's exactly the point: John later tells us clearly who the Holy Spirit is. If you prefer a long winded explaination and description and opinion over John's then what else can I say? I think John said it all in a nutshell
I went back and underlined the whole verse; because you critiqued why I underlined ....you know what this is actually stupid. It is; it is stupid to get into a debate on why I did or did not underline this or that. How old are you MM? Grow up and mature in the Word of God and you won't have to ask questions so much.
I say this because I love you
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 02:57 PM)
QUOTE (Adam Weishaupt @ Nov 14 2008, 01:08 PM)
QUOTE (journey @ Nov 14 2008, 11:38 AM)
If He is leading me astray, show me where! The one reason I do not post here a lot is because of the hatred I see toward other posters. IF MM is wrong then where is the love, to guide him to truth? All I have read is accusations toward him as a person.
I want to hear more MM..........
I want to hear more MM..........
I have not shown MM or anyone hatred, that much is sure. Hatred is such a strong word too. It is not hatred to call someone out as a teacher of dangerous falsehood. That is what Jesus, the apostles and prophets did and that is what Jesus' followers are supposed to do, "expose the darkness." This is an act of love, not hate.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
"7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. John 16:7-11.
12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that He will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15.
"32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." Acts 2:32-33.
It is clear from these passages alone that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.
To clear things up here !
Journey did not say you were being hateful to me. She said, that the reason she does not post here, is because she see too much hate here. She was not specifically referencing you. Got it ?
Next, What she was pointing out to you, is that you not only did not love me, but made reference of me as an enemy of sorts. You might have even in your heart beleived when you typed that post, that I was an enemy.
You sure made reference to her , to not believe anything I say, or teach. Yet, you failed to prove me wrong, and you failed in loving me, by not discussing it with me first, before you branded me as one who she should stay away from .
You can sugar coat words all you like Eli, but the fact remains, you were not thinking in her best interest at the time you wrote that post warning her of me. If you were concerned for her, you would have come back with a post showing where I was wrong, with what you believe to be the truth.
Any time Eli, you want to talk to "me" about something, be my guest ! But don't ever talk about me as one who others should stay away from, unless you have biblical proof positive, that I do not know what I am talking about !
Now Eli, you and me, lets go at it ! One on one sir. Show me you are man enough to talk the truth with me !
If you want to play nice, I can play nice. But if you want to get right down to bare facts, lets go at it sir ! You first, one on one !
You make just one slight error, and I will put your own words right back down that windpipe it came out of !
Ready ??
IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
I am not questioning wwhether ornot your ideas that you presented may or may not be true. I know the Bible enough to spot error like that immediatley. That is why I warned here about you. Your ideas originate out of a spirit of error, as Paul called it. I also posted plenty of scriptures and emboldened the words that clearly differentiate between Jesus and the Holy Spirit. There is absolutely nothing confusing about those passages unless you are somehow purposefully trying to interpret it differently than its obvious meaning.
Here they are again:
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
"7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. John 16:7-11.
12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that He will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15.
"32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." Acts 2:32-33.
It is clear from these passages alone that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.
Also, Read John 14 and 17.
Paul has a whole lot to say about the nature and role of the Holy Spirit of God in his letters. There are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these three are one God. They each fulfill a different role in what theologians call the godhead or the trinity. They each fulfill a different role in our lives. They each have the same character of heart as each are perfectly God. But the Holy Spirit specifically and chiefly reveals Jesus and the witness of the truth to our hearts. He is a person. He germinates divine love in our hearts. The more we seek the Lord and obey him, the more the Holy SPirit's presence is evident in out lives through the "fruit of the Spirit" Galations 5:22, which are the character traits of God Himself.
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 04:00 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 02:46 PM)
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 03:27 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 05:45 AM)
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 03:21 AM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Oct 29 2008, 09:37 AM)
What is the "comforter" that Jesus said he would send, "after" he left and went back to his Father ?
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Selah:
Did not Jesus say, I and my Father are one ? You underlined "is the Holy Ghost". Why didn't you underline - "the Father will send in my name" ?
Obviously, by what you underlined , if I was to ask you what the "name" of the comforter is ? What would be your response ? The "Holy Spirit" , or , "Christ" ?
Also, you only quoted just one verse of scripture, when in fact there is more than one verse that gives the "whole" explanation. So why not look at the "whole" rather than just a "part" ?
Love IN Christ - M M
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
You ask a lot of questions! I didn't see not one single passage of the Bible in your OP. I saw you giving your opinion and not using the foundation-which is the Word of Yahweh. So I gave you a passage and you critique me by what I underlined...I just don't know sometimes about you MM. Would you like for me to quote the whole Bible and underline every Word? The Holy Bible is our reminder of ALL things, and The Holy Bible is food for comfort. And it's not the Bible itself; it's the words therein that leap off the pages and enter your heart mind and soul. I could go on for hours discussing this, but it's effortless if you're going to pick and choose and critique-you make it almost impossible to discuss Scripture with you. My guess is that if we were in person, the conversation would be a lot different, but because of the limitations via the internet; I am not able supply you fully what you're asking directly to me
Selah
This is a "quote" from my opening post > cut and paste
Quote: "In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16"
Then I proceeded to give a full explanation. Now, this could be an oversighton your part. But my question to you still stands. Why did you underline, just those words, and not the words, that state, that the comforter is coming in my name ?
You still can answer the question without too much difficulty.
Love IN Christ - M M
That's exactly the point: John later tells us clearly who the Holy Spirit is. If you prefer a long winded explaination and description and opinion over John's then what else can I say? I think John said it all in a nutshell
I went back and underlined the whole verse; because you critiqued why I underlined ....you know what this is actually stupid. It is; it is stupid to get into a debate on why I did or did not underline this or that. How old are you MM? Grow up and mature in the Word of God and you won't have to ask questions so much.
I say this because I love you
No you don't ! That is sick love at its very best ! Be honest Selah and just answer the question, why did you underline just that paticular part of that verse ? Were you trying to make some kind of point that I am unaware of ? Of course you can refuse, but don't reference me as one that needs to grow up !
And don't tell me you love me, when in fact you don't ! Love is being honest and clear !
IC - CI - M M
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 03:19 PM)
No you don't ! That is sick love at its very best ! Be honest Selah and just answer the question, why did you underline just that paticular part of that verse ? Were you trying to make some kind of point that I am unaware of ? Of course you can refuse, but don't reference me as one that needs to grow up !
And don't tell me you love me, when in fact you don't ! Love is being honest and clear !
IC - CI - M M
And don't tell me you love me, when in fact you don't ! Love is being honest and clear !
IC - CI - M M
MM I do love you and that is why I REFRAIN from discussing the Holy Spirit with you.
Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
QUOTE (Adam Weishaupt @ Nov 14 2008, 04:17 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 02:57 PM)
QUOTE (Adam Weishaupt @ Nov 14 2008, 01:08 PM)
QUOTE (journey @ Nov 14 2008, 11:38 AM)
If He is leading me astray, show me where! The one reason I do not post here a lot is because of the hatred I see toward other posters. IF MM is wrong then where is the love, to guide him to truth? All I have read is accusations toward him as a person.
I want to hear more MM..........
I want to hear more MM..........
I have not shown MM or anyone hatred, that much is sure. Hatred is such a strong word too. It is not hatred to call someone out as a teacher of dangerous falsehood. That is what Jesus, the apostles and prophets did and that is what Jesus' followers are supposed to do, "expose the darkness." This is an act of love, not hate.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
"7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. John 16:7-11.
12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that He will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15.
"32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." Acts 2:32-33.
It is clear from these passages alone that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.
To clear things up here !
Journey did not say you were being hateful to me. She said, that the reason she does not post here, is because she see too much hate here. She was not specifically referencing you. Got it ?
Next, What she was pointing out to you, is that you not only did not love me, but made reference of me as an enemy of sorts. You might have even in your heart beleived when you typed that post, that I was an enemy.
You sure made reference to her , to not believe anything I say, or teach. Yet, you failed to prove me wrong, and you failed in loving me, by not discussing it with me first, before you branded me as one who she should stay away from .
You can sugar coat words all you like Eli, but the fact remains, you were not thinking in her best interest at the time you wrote that post warning her of me. If you were concerned for her, you would have come back with a post showing where I was wrong, with what you believe to be the truth.
Any time Eli, you want to talk to "me" about something, be my guest ! But don't ever talk about me as one who others should stay away from, unless you have biblical proof positive, that I do not know what I am talking about !
Now Eli, you and me, lets go at it ! One on one sir. Show me you are man enough to talk the truth with me !
If you want to play nice, I can play nice. But if you want to get right down to bare facts, lets go at it sir ! You first, one on one !
You make just one slight error, and I will put your own words right back down that windpipe it came out of !
Ready ??
IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
I am not questioning wwhether ornot your ideas that you presented may or may not be true. I know the Bible enough to spot error like that immediatley. That is why I warned here about you. Your ideas originate out of a spirit of error, as Paul called it. I also posted plenty of scriptures and emboldened the words that clearly differentiate between Jesus and the Holy Spirit. There is absolutely nothing confusing about those passages unless you are somehow purposefully trying to interpret it differently than its obvious meaning.
Here they are again:
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
"7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. John 16:7-11.
12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that He will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15.
"32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." Acts 2:32-33.
It is clear from these passages alone that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.
Also, Read John 14 and 17.
Paul has a whole lot to say about the nature and role of the Holy Spirit of God in his letters. There are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these three are one God. They each fulfill a different role in what theologians call the godhead or the trinity. They each fulfill a different role in our lives. They each have the same character of heart as each are perfectly God. But the Holy Spirit specifically and chiefly reveals Jesus and the witness of the truth to our hearts. He is a person. He germinates divine love in our hearts. The more we seek the Lord and obey him, the more the Holy SPirit's presence is evident in out lives through the "fruit of the Spirit" Galations 5:22, which are the character traits of God Himself.
"You" can spot error ? You ? First, what error ? You only have given me your view. Prior to "your view" I Posted my understanding of the comforter. You have yet to show me my error !
You sir, just put your foot in your mouth ! You contradicted yourself ! You first claim, that you are not questioning my comments as being true or not. Then you claim that you "can spot error such as that" immediately. Okay, again - What error ? What did I say in my opening comments that is error ?
You already have one strike against you Eli. Want to try for stike number two ?
Like I said, you and me Eli. Now answer the question without putting your foot in your mouth ! Again !
IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
I can just feel the love of Jesus... 
Your error that I had immediately spotted was that you keep teaching that:
the Holy Spirit is not a seperate person from Jesus and other related errors. This is not a small matter. That is why I am so strong to immediatly denounce such heretical teachings. And also, this is not "my view." It is the clear teaching of the Bible as the verses I keep on posting show. These are the verses that you keep on convenientely ignoring, MM.
Here they are again:
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
"7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. John 16:7-11.
12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that He will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15.
"32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." Acts 2:32-33.
It is clear from these passages alone that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.
Also, Read John 14 and 17.
Paul has a whole lot to say about the nature and role of the Holy Spirit of God in his letters. There are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these three are one God. They each fulfill a different role in what theologians call the godhead or the trinity. They each fulfill a different role in our lives. They each have the same character of heart as each are perfectly God. But the Holy Spirit specifically and chiefly reveals Jesus and the witness of the truth to our hearts. He is a person. He germinates divine love in our hearts. The more we seek the Lord and obey him, the more the Holy SPirit's presence is evident in out lives through the "fruit of the Spirit" Galations 5:22, which are the character traits of God Himself.
Your error that I had immediately spotted was that you keep teaching that:
the Holy Spirit is not a seperate person from Jesus and other related errors. This is not a small matter. That is why I am so strong to immediatly denounce such heretical teachings. And also, this is not "my view." It is the clear teaching of the Bible as the verses I keep on posting show. These are the verses that you keep on convenientely ignoring, MM.
Here they are again:
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
"7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. John 16:7-11.
12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that He will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15.
"32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." Acts 2:32-33.
It is clear from these passages alone that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.
Also, Read John 14 and 17.
Paul has a whole lot to say about the nature and role of the Holy Spirit of God in his letters. There are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these three are one God. They each fulfill a different role in what theologians call the godhead or the trinity. They each fulfill a different role in our lives. They each have the same character of heart as each are perfectly God. But the Holy Spirit specifically and chiefly reveals Jesus and the witness of the truth to our hearts. He is a person. He germinates divine love in our hearts. The more we seek the Lord and obey him, the more the Holy SPirit's presence is evident in out lives through the "fruit of the Spirit" Galations 5:22, which are the character traits of God Himself.
QUOTE (Adam Weishaupt @ Nov 14 2008, 04:45 PM)
I can just feel the love of Jesus...
Your error that I had immediately spotted was that you keep teaching that:
the Holy Spirit is not a seperate person from Jesus and other related errors. This is not a small matter. That is why I am so strong to immediatly denounce such heretical teachings. And also, this is not "my view." It is the clear teaching of the Bible as the verses I keep on posting show. These are the verses that you keep on convenientely ignoring, MM.
Here they are again:
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
"7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. John 16:7-11.
12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that He will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15.
"32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." Acts 2:32-33.
It is clear from these passages alone that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.
Also, Read John 14 and 17.
Paul has a whole lot to say about the nature and role of the Holy Spirit of God in his letters. There are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these three are one God. They each fulfill a different role in what theologians call the godhead or the trinity. They each fulfill a different role in our lives. They each have the same character of heart as each are perfectly God. But the Holy Spirit specifically and chiefly reveals Jesus and the witness of the truth to our hearts. He is a person. He germinates divine love in our hearts. The more we seek the Lord and obey him, the more the Holy SPirit's presence is evident in out lives through the "fruit of the Spirit" Galations 5:22, which are the character traits of God Himself.
Your error that I had immediately spotted was that you keep teaching that:
the Holy Spirit is not a seperate person from Jesus and other related errors. This is not a small matter. That is why I am so strong to immediatly denounce such heretical teachings. And also, this is not "my view." It is the clear teaching of the Bible as the verses I keep on posting show. These are the verses that you keep on convenientely ignoring, MM.
Here they are again:
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
"7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. John 16:7-11.
12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that He will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15.
"32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." Acts 2:32-33.
It is clear from these passages alone that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.
Also, Read John 14 and 17.
Paul has a whole lot to say about the nature and role of the Holy Spirit of God in his letters. There are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these three are one God. They each fulfill a different role in what theologians call the godhead or the trinity. They each fulfill a different role in our lives. They each have the same character of heart as each are perfectly God. But the Holy Spirit specifically and chiefly reveals Jesus and the witness of the truth to our hearts. He is a person. He germinates divine love in our hearts. The more we seek the Lord and obey him, the more the Holy SPirit's presence is evident in out lives through the "fruit of the Spirit" Galations 5:22, which are the character traits of God Himself.
Quote from Eli:
"Your error that I had immediately spotted was that you keep teaching that:
the Holy Spirit is not a seperate person from Jesus and other related errors."
Okay Eli, you are on the spot now ! Show me where I said this ! By the way, this is stike two, which means that your other foot is in your mouth now !
First you are saying that what I had posted , you were not looking at it for errors. Then you claim you know the bible so well, that my errors were easily noticed. Now you are claiming that I made a reference that does not exist.
You have "yet" to show me my errors ! When are you going to do that ?
Next, you now claim I made a certain reference that I didn't make. What is next Eli ?
Are you claiming, that my comments did not line up with your beliefs, which makes my comments worthy of telling someone that what I teach is false ?
If you claim, that there is a "person" somewhere in the book of John that is within these verses, then by all means show me ! If not, stop making false comments that only refer to your own beliefs.
Can you be honest Eli ? As of yet, I have not seen one comment that is honest !
IN Christ - M M
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 04:04 PM)
Okay Eli, you are on the spot now ! Show me where I said this ! By the way, this is stike two, which means that your other foot is in your mouth now !
MM-you are still a fox and I see how you trick and twist and cause people confusion. It is a deliberate act to lead a person into blaspheming. You had better get the fear of God in you rather than trying to exalt yourself above Him and or standing equal.
Jeremiah 5:22
Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?
Eli-BEWARE!
What is the "comforter" that Jesus said he would send, "after" he left and went back to his Father ?
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
ANd Jesus promised us that He would sent the comforter, the Holy Spirit after He left.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
Right there Jesus called the comforter/helper the Holy SPirit.
Neither the "Spirit upon" , nor being filled with the "Holy Spirit" is the comforter.
In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16
The comforter can not come until he goes back to the Father. Jesus also says, that after he leaves, then will he send the comforter. We know on the day of pentecost, that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the words spoken were not that which Jesus tells us of within these verses ! The words spoken on the day of pentecost magnified God. But the words of the comforter will not magnify God.
The words of the comforter will - remind us who receive the comforter, of his words that he spoke. The comforter will reprove the world of its sin, because they believed not. The comforter will judge between righteousness and unrighteousness. The comforter will guide you into all truth. The comforter will not speak of himself . The comforter will only repeat what it hears. The comforter will show you things to come. The comforter will glorify me (Jesus Christ). The comforter shall receive of mine (his). The comforter will show this unto you.
So what is the comforter ?
The comforter is the Spirit of His Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. It is the "Christ IN you" the hope of glory. The riches of the Mystery. And the comforter will do what is spoken of within these verses in the gospel of John.
Christ is the head of the Church, the body of Christ. And all those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the world, and he has put them in the body where it pleases him. These "have" received the "seed" of Christ IN them. < These and only these receive the "comforter".
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
ANd Jesus promised us that He would sent the comforter, the Holy Spirit after He left.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
Right there Jesus called the comforter/helper the Holy SPirit.
Neither the "Spirit upon" , nor being filled with the "Holy Spirit" is the comforter.
In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16
The comforter can not come until he goes back to the Father. Jesus also says, that after he leaves, then will he send the comforter. We know on the day of pentecost, that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the words spoken were not that which Jesus tells us of within these verses ! The words spoken on the day of pentecost magnified God. But the words of the comforter will not magnify God.
The words of the comforter will - remind us who receive the comforter, of his words that he spoke. The comforter will reprove the world of its sin, because they believed not. The comforter will judge between righteousness and unrighteousness. The comforter will guide you into all truth. The comforter will not speak of himself . The comforter will only repeat what it hears. The comforter will show you things to come. The comforter will glorify me (Jesus Christ). The comforter shall receive of mine (his). The comforter will show this unto you.
So what is the comforter ?
The comforter is the Spirit of His Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. It is the "Christ IN you" the hope of glory. The riches of the Mystery. And the comforter will do what is spoken of within these verses in the gospel of John.
Christ is the head of the Church, the body of Christ. And all those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the world, and he has put them in the body where it pleases him. These "have" received the "seed" of Christ IN them. < These and only these receive the "comforter".
QUOTE (Adam Weishaupt @ Nov 14 2008, 05:15 PM)
What is the "comforter" that Jesus said he would send, "after" he left and went back to his Father ?
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
ANd Jesus promised us that He would sent the comforter, the Holy Spirit after He left.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
Right there Jesus called the comforter/helper the Holy SPirit.
Eli:
First Eli, there is no mention of a "person", which "you" referenced too ! So far, your own words are empty, false, without merit !
Next, this verse does not say that the "comforter" - "is" The Holy Spirit ! It states, that the comforter whom the Father will send in my name < Christ speaking ! What is 'Christ's name" Eli ? This verse is saying, that the Holy Spirit which is the Father, will send the comforter in "my name". If you can not tell me the "name" Eli, then by shear logic , you do not know the name ! Christ was speaking ! I went on within my opening post, to explain , that the "comforter" is "Christ IN you". The Spirit of his Son in our hearts, crying - Abba , Father. The "comforter" Eli -- is --- Christ ! So far Eli, I do not see one shred of biblical knowledge that you posses !
Do you have a rebuttal to what I just shared with you ? I think you have no more feet to put in your mouth !
IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
Neither the "Spirit upon" , nor being filled with the "Holy Spirit" is the comforter.
In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16
The comforter can not come until he goes back to the Father. Jesus also says, that after he leaves, then will he send the comforter. We know on the day of pentecost, that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the words spoken were not that which Jesus tells us of within these verses ! The words spoken on the day of pentecost magnified God. But the words of the comforter will not magnify God.
The words of the comforter will - remind us who receive the comforter, of his words that he spoke. The comforter will reprove the world of its sin, because they believed not. The comforter will judge between righteousness and unrighteousness. The comforter will guide you into all truth. The comforter will not speak of himself . The comforter will only repeat what it hears. The comforter will show you things to come. The comforter will glorify me (Jesus Christ). The comforter shall receive of mine (his). The comforter will show this unto you.
So what is the comforter ?
The comforter is the Spirit of His Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. It is the "Christ IN you" the hope of glory. The riches of the Mystery. And the comforter will do what is spoken of within these verses in the gospel of John.
Christ is the head of the Church, the body of Christ. And all those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the world, and he has put them in the body where it pleases him. These "have" received the "seed" of Christ IN them. < These and only these receive the "comforter".
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
ANd Jesus promised us that He would sent the comforter, the Holy Spirit after He left.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
Right there Jesus called the comforter/helper the Holy SPirit.
Eli:
First Eli, there is no mention of a "person", which "you" referenced too ! So far, your own words are empty, false, without merit !
Next, this verse does not say that the "comforter" - "is" The Holy Spirit ! It states, that the comforter whom the Father will send in my name < Christ speaking ! What is 'Christ's name" Eli ? This verse is saying, that the Holy Spirit which is the Father, will send the comforter in "my name". If you can not tell me the "name" Eli, then by shear logic , you do not know the name ! Christ was speaking ! I went on within my opening post, to explain , that the "comforter" is "Christ IN you". The Spirit of his Son in our hearts, crying - Abba , Father. The "comforter" Eli -- is --- Christ ! So far Eli, I do not see one shred of biblical knowledge that you posses !
Do you have a rebuttal to what I just shared with you ? I think you have no more feet to put in your mouth !
IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
Neither the "Spirit upon" , nor being filled with the "Holy Spirit" is the comforter.
In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16
The comforter can not come until he goes back to the Father. Jesus also says, that after he leaves, then will he send the comforter. We know on the day of pentecost, that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the words spoken were not that which Jesus tells us of within these verses ! The words spoken on the day of pentecost magnified God. But the words of the comforter will not magnify God.
The words of the comforter will - remind us who receive the comforter, of his words that he spoke. The comforter will reprove the world of its sin, because they believed not. The comforter will judge between righteousness and unrighteousness. The comforter will guide you into all truth. The comforter will not speak of himself . The comforter will only repeat what it hears. The comforter will show you things to come. The comforter will glorify me (Jesus Christ). The comforter shall receive of mine (his). The comforter will show this unto you.
So what is the comforter ?
The comforter is the Spirit of His Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. It is the "Christ IN you" the hope of glory. The riches of the Mystery. And the comforter will do what is spoken of within these verses in the gospel of John.
Christ is the head of the Church, the body of Christ. And all those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the world, and he has put them in the body where it pleases him. These "have" received the "seed" of Christ IN them. < These and only these receive the "comforter".
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 05:10 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 04:04 PM)
Okay Eli, you are on the spot now ! Show me where I said this ! By the way, this is stike two, which means that your other foot is in your mouth now !
MM-you are still a fox and I see how you trick and twist and cause people confusion. It is a deliberate act to lead a person into blaspheming. You had better get the fear of God in you rather than trying to exalt yourself above Him and or standing equal.
Jeremiah 5:22
Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?
Eli-BEWARE!
Selah
Do you have something you would like to talk "to me" about ? If not, please be quiet ! Because you can not even explain why you underline certain parts of a scripture !
I C - C I - M M
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 04:33 PM)
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 05:10 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 04:04 PM)
Okay Eli, you are on the spot now ! Show me where I said this ! By the way, this is stike two, which means that your other foot is in your mouth now !
MM-you are still a fox and I see how you trick and twist and cause people confusion. It is a deliberate act to lead a person into blaspheming. You had better get the fear of God in you rather than trying to exalt yourself above Him and or standing equal.
Jeremiah 5:22
Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?
Eli-BEWARE!
Selah
Do you have something you would like to talk "to me" about ? If not, please be quiet ! Because you can not even explain why you underline certain parts of a scripture !
I C - C I - M M
I'm actually pretty quiet right now MM. I would love to talk to you; but you make yourself unapproachable and I already wrote to you why. To underline, or not to underline-that is the question.
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 05:37 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 04:33 PM)
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 05:10 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 04:04 PM)
Okay Eli, you are on the spot now ! Show me where I said this ! By the way, this is stike two, which means that your other foot is in your mouth now !
MM-you are still a fox and I see how you trick and twist and cause people confusion. It is a deliberate act to lead a person into blaspheming. You had better get the fear of God in you rather than trying to exalt yourself above Him and or standing equal.
Jeremiah 5:22
Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?
Eli-BEWARE!
Selah
Do you have something you would like to talk "to me" about ? If not, please be quiet ! Because you can not even explain why you underline certain parts of a scripture !
I C - C I - M M
I'm actually pretty quiet right now MM. I would love to talk to you; but you make yourself unapproachable and I already wrote to you why. To underline, or not to underline-that is the question.
Then why do you "think" that "you" need to warn Eli ? You obviously have "something" to tell me, correct ?
I C - C I - M M
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 04:42 PM)
Then why do you "think" that "you" need to warn Eli ? You obviously have "something" to tell me, correct ?
I C - C I - M M
I C - C I - M M
Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
It's not my warning actually. It's HIS warning to and for us all.
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 05:53 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 04:42 PM)
Then why do you "think" that "you" need to warn Eli ? You obviously have "something" to tell me, correct ?
I C - C I - M M
I C - C I - M M
Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
It's not my warning actually. It's HIS warning to and for us all.
Trust me when I say, that I do not need "you" to remind me of this in the manner in which you are reminding me. If your warning is out of love, then by shear logic, your warning comes in alignment to your warning to Eli. Thus you have judge that in some way I am blaspheming Eli or the Holy Spirit, which is it Selah ?
In Christ - M M
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Nov 14 2008, 06:53 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 04:42 PM)
Then why do you "think" that "you" need to warn Eli ? You obviously have "something" to tell me, correct ?
I C - C I - M M
I C - C I - M M
Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
It's not my warning actually. It's HIS warning to and for us all.
You do realize....there is only one unforgiveable sin and only one of God's elect can commit it and only in the final days.
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 04:30 PM)
QUOTE (Adam Weishaupt @ Nov 14 2008, 05:15 PM)
What is the "comforter" that Jesus said he would send, "after" he left and went back to his Father ?
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
ANd Jesus promised us that He would sent the comforter, the Holy Spirit after He left.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
Right there Jesus called the comforter/helper the Holy SPirit.
Eli:
First Eli, there is no mention of a "person", which "you" referenced too ! So far, your own words are empty, false, without merit !
Next, this verse does not say that the "comforter" - "is" The Holy Spirit ! It states, that the comforter whom the Father will send in my name < Christ speaking ! What is 'Christ's name" Eli ? This verse is saying, that the Holy Spirit which is the Father, will send the comforter in "my name". If you can not tell me the "name" Eli, then by shear logic , you do not know the name ! Christ was speaking ! I went on within my opening post, to explain , that the "comforter" is "Christ IN you". The Spirit of his Son in our hearts, crying - Abba , Father. The "comforter" Eli -- is --- Christ ! So far Eli, I do not see one shred of biblical knowledge that you posses !
Do you have a rebuttal to what I just shared with you ? I think you have no more feet to put in your mouth !
IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
Neither the "Spirit upon" , nor being filled with the "Holy Spirit" is the comforter.
In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16
The comforter can not come until he goes back to the Father. Jesus also says, that after he leaves, then will he send the comforter. We know on the day of pentecost, that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the words spoken were not that which Jesus tells us of within these verses ! The words spoken on the day of pentecost magnified God. But the words of the comforter will not magnify God.
The words of the comforter will - remind us who receive the comforter, of his words that he spoke. The comforter will reprove the world of its sin, because they believed not. The comforter will judge between righteousness and unrighteousness. The comforter will guide you into all truth. The comforter will not speak of himself . The comforter will only repeat what it hears. The comforter will show you things to come. The comforter will glorify me (Jesus Christ). The comforter shall receive of mine (his). The comforter will show this unto you.
So what is the comforter ?
The comforter is the Spirit of His Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. It is the "Christ IN you" the hope of glory. The riches of the Mystery. And the comforter will do what is spoken of within these verses in the gospel of John.
Christ is the head of the Church, the body of Christ. And all those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the world, and he has put them in the body where it pleases him. These "have" received the "seed" of Christ IN them. < These and only these receive the "comforter".
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
ANd Jesus promised us that He would sent the comforter, the Holy Spirit after He left.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
Right there Jesus called the comforter/helper the Holy SPirit.
Eli:
First Eli, there is no mention of a "person", which "you" referenced too ! So far, your own words are empty, false, without merit !
Next, this verse does not say that the "comforter" - "is" The Holy Spirit ! It states, that the comforter whom the Father will send in my name < Christ speaking ! What is 'Christ's name" Eli ? This verse is saying, that the Holy Spirit which is the Father, will send the comforter in "my name". If you can not tell me the "name" Eli, then by shear logic , you do not know the name ! Christ was speaking ! I went on within my opening post, to explain , that the "comforter" is "Christ IN you". The Spirit of his Son in our hearts, crying - Abba , Father. The "comforter" Eli -- is --- Christ ! So far Eli, I do not see one shred of biblical knowledge that you posses !
Do you have a rebuttal to what I just shared with you ? I think you have no more feet to put in your mouth !
IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
Neither the "Spirit upon" , nor being filled with the "Holy Spirit" is the comforter.
In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16
The comforter can not come until he goes back to the Father. Jesus also says, that after he leaves, then will he send the comforter. We know on the day of pentecost, that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the words spoken were not that which Jesus tells us of within these verses ! The words spoken on the day of pentecost magnified God. But the words of the comforter will not magnify God.
The words of the comforter will - remind us who receive the comforter, of his words that he spoke. The comforter will reprove the world of its sin, because they believed not. The comforter will judge between righteousness and unrighteousness. The comforter will guide you into all truth. The comforter will not speak of himself . The comforter will only repeat what it hears. The comforter will show you things to come. The comforter will glorify me (Jesus Christ). The comforter shall receive of mine (his). The comforter will show this unto you.
So what is the comforter ?
The comforter is the Spirit of His Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. It is the "Christ IN you" the hope of glory. The riches of the Mystery. And the comforter will do what is spoken of within these verses in the gospel of John.
Christ is the head of the Church, the body of Christ. And all those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the world, and he has put them in the body where it pleases him. These "have" received the "seed" of Christ IN them. < These and only these receive the "comforter".
Out of curiosity MM, howbeit do we have these words: (NKJV) John 14:22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?" 23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
Who do you believe the Holy Spirit is? Christ's Spirit and/or God the Father's Spirit? Also, I do not see the Holy Spirit EVER being referred to as "IT"...I see "He" or "The", but never "it".
Thanks and God bless you,
Kim
QUOTE (IAMlives @ Nov 14 2008, 06:39 PM)
QUOTE (Mysteryman @ Nov 14 2008, 04:30 PM)
QUOTE (Adam Weishaupt @ Nov 14 2008, 05:15 PM)
What is the "comforter" that Jesus said he would send, "after" he left and went back to his Father ?
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
ANd Jesus promised us that He would sent the comforter, the Holy Spirit after He left.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
Right there Jesus called the comforter/helper the Holy SPirit.
Eli:
First Eli, there is no mention of a "person", which "you" referenced too ! So far, your own words are empty, false, without merit !
Next, this verse does not say that the "comforter" - "is" The Holy Spirit ! It states, that the comforter whom the Father will send in my name < Christ speaking ! What is 'Christ's name" Eli ? This verse is saying, that the Holy Spirit which is the Father, will send the comforter in "my name". If you can not tell me the "name" Eli, then by shear logic , you do not know the name ! Christ was speaking ! I went on within my opening post, to explain , that the "comforter" is "Christ IN you". The Spirit of his Son in our hearts, crying - Abba , Father. The "comforter" Eli -- is --- Christ ! So far Eli, I do not see one shred of biblical knowledge that you posses !
Do you have a rebuttal to what I just shared with you ? I think you have no more feet to put in your mouth !
IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
Neither the "Spirit upon" , nor being filled with the "Holy Spirit" is the comforter.
In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16
The comforter can not come until he goes back to the Father. Jesus also says, that after he leaves, then will he send the comforter. We know on the day of pentecost, that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the words spoken were not that which Jesus tells us of within these verses ! The words spoken on the day of pentecost magnified God. But the words of the comforter will not magnify God.
The words of the comforter will - remind us who receive the comforter, of his words that he spoke. The comforter will reprove the world of its sin, because they believed not. The comforter will judge between righteousness and unrighteousness. The comforter will guide you into all truth. The comforter will not speak of himself . The comforter will only repeat what it hears. The comforter will show you things to come. The comforter will glorify me (Jesus Christ). The comforter shall receive of mine (his). The comforter will show this unto you.
So what is the comforter ?
The comforter is the Spirit of His Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. It is the "Christ IN you" the hope of glory. The riches of the Mystery. And the comforter will do what is spoken of within these verses in the gospel of John.
Christ is the head of the Church, the body of Christ. And all those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the world, and he has put them in the body where it pleases him. These "have" received the "seed" of Christ IN them. < These and only these receive the "comforter".
Lets start by "what it is not".
We know that the "comforter" is not the gift - Holy Spirit, that came on the day of pentecost. How can we know this ? Simple, Jesus after he was baptized, and the Holy Spirit came upon him, came while he was here on earth. Jesus told us that the comforter would not come until he went back to his Father. Yet, he received the Holy Spirit upon him while here on earth.
ANd Jesus promised us that He would sent the comforter, the Holy Spirit after He left.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:25-26.
Right there Jesus called the comforter/helper the Holy SPirit.
Eli:
First Eli, there is no mention of a "person", which "you" referenced too ! So far, your own words are empty, false, without merit !
Next, this verse does not say that the "comforter" - "is" The Holy Spirit ! It states, that the comforter whom the Father will send in my name < Christ speaking ! What is 'Christ's name" Eli ? This verse is saying, that the Holy Spirit which is the Father, will send the comforter in "my name". If you can not tell me the "name" Eli, then by shear logic , you do not know the name ! Christ was speaking ! I went on within my opening post, to explain , that the "comforter" is "Christ IN you". The Spirit of his Son in our hearts, crying - Abba , Father. The "comforter" Eli -- is --- Christ ! So far Eli, I do not see one shred of biblical knowledge that you posses !
Do you have a rebuttal to what I just shared with you ? I think you have no more feet to put in your mouth !
IN Christ - Christ IN - M M
Neither the "Spirit upon" , nor being filled with the "Holy Spirit" is the comforter.
In the gospel of John and in chapter 16 and verses 4 thru verse 16
The comforter can not come until he goes back to the Father. Jesus also says, that after he leaves, then will he send the comforter. We know on the day of pentecost, that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But the words spoken were not that which Jesus tells us of within these verses ! The words spoken on the day of pentecost magnified God. But the words of the comforter will not magnify God.
The words of the comforter will - remind us who receive the comforter, of his words that he spoke. The comforter will reprove the world of its sin, because they believed not. The comforter will judge between righteousness and unrighteousness. The comforter will guide you into all truth. The comforter will not speak of himself . The comforter will only repeat what it hears. The comforter will show you things to come. The comforter will glorify me (Jesus Christ). The comforter shall receive of mine (his). The comforter will show this unto you.
So what is the comforter ?
The comforter is the Spirit of His Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. It is the "Christ IN you" the hope of glory. The riches of the Mystery. And the comforter will do what is spoken of within these verses in the gospel of John.
Christ is the head of the Church, the body of Christ. And all those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the world, and he has put them in the body where it pleases him. These "have" received the "seed" of Christ IN them. < These and only these receive the "comforter".
Out of curiosity MM, howbeit do we have these words: (NKJV) John 14:22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?" 23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
Who do you believe the Holy Spirit is? Christ's Spirit and/or God the Father's Spirit? Also, I do not see the Holy Spirit EVER being referred to as "IT"...I see "He" or "The", but never "it".
Thanks and God bless you,
Kim
If you do not mind, I would like to make reference to you last comment. The "Holy Spirit" is God. The spirit of his son in our hearts crying Abba Father, is "seed", the "seed" mentioned in Galatians 3:16. When I referenced "it", I didn't say this with any disrespect. It meaning, the seed, or the spirit of Christ in us. In the gospel of John the "comforter" is referenced as a "he". So when God sends the "comforter" , God being the Holy Spirit, sends the comforter , in Christ's name. The comforter's name is "Christ".
In John 14:22 & 23 & 24 , which comes before verses 25 thru verse 28. Verses 22 thru 24 - The words in the plural, are especially important. Christ always claims that the words he speaks are not his but his Father's. He is just doing the will of the/his Father.
When we who receive the comforter, which is Christ in you, the hople of glory. This is the Spirit of his Son in our hearts. The Father abodes in Christ, in that the son does the will of the Father. If we love God, we will also love Christ, and the words we hear, the words of Christ, being given "through" Christ will we receive. The words we receive are the Words of the Father , through Christ. We can not say, that God is our Father, literally, without having the spirit of his Son in our hearts, crying Abba Father. This is why the plural words that are used.
Remember when they were talking to Jesus Christ, and said, "we are of our Father Abraham". Remember what Christ told them ? (you don't have to answer, I believe you know exactly what was said)
What is our motive ? To love, or to go