I thought it would be fitting to write this at this time being that we are heading for the 7th day, both physically and spiritually. Physically, for some, in a few day's will be their Sabbath in which they take their rest (or try to) spiritually, for many, will be a long rest for which the LORD bringeth when He returns. (Isn't that a day to look forward to!!)

I thought about this because I have been reading about the persona of Jesus Christ (Yahshua) and how He is presented as a very non-Jewish Messiah amongst certain denominations & religions. I can witness or attest that this particular personification was pretty much how I learned growing up as well. I was born into a home that was/is Christian, raised in the faith and baptised in the faith and that is how I was taught Him, the preachers rarely, if ever, went in depth into the Torah/OT during their sermons etc...But were they wrong?

Not necessarily and yet somewhat yes. Here is why: ( and I speak/write from a personal angle here) I was not born into the Jewish lineage or faith, so that made me a "Gentile" by birth. And God, because He is soooo smart and all knowing, loving and thinks well in advance, knew that I would be born one day, in a predominately "Gentile" nation, so He decided that He wanted me to know Him. But how?

How would it have ever been possible for an 'outsider' to know the only God there ever was/is? So He did something so unbelieveable, so extraordinarily amazing, that it is hard for some people to even conceive of in their very 'human' minds, He sent His full Shekinah/Glory Spirit into a very earthly body. He walked and taught in the streets and towns, spreading His love into every home and heart that would listen, I don't even think He ate or slept very much, much less honoured day's and rituals. He had an agenda, a plan, to bring all living creatures back to Him, all things that would otherwise be lost still today, and that includes me and many of you! And this is pretty much how I first knew and loved God; via Christianity. I learned of a glorious Gdd who humbled Himself down to the absolute lowest form and then willingly gave His flesh as the sacrificial Lamb offerring, for me and you, to save us from this life which had already condemned us before birth. Nobody has ever loved me this much! And nobody ever will. But the Almighty God of the entire universe does!!! How blessed am I! And you! Thank you Yahweh!

So you see...from a personal perspective, Jesus (Yahshua) is taught truthfully in Christianity, or atleast during my time of conversion. His 'Jewish' persona is not emphasized in Christianity because it is not necessarily required as a teaching for belief, faith, truth, salvation! Most of you Jews are saved already by the old covenant ( Aren't ya'll special!!) And yes, you are We must all never forget that God is Alpha (beginning) and Omega (Ending) So in the beginning He made a beautiful covenant with the love of His life (Israel) and had plans to later be the Light of all the nations (Gentiles) And in Him resides the absolute fullness of the Truth that none of us can fathom, there are mysteries that yet remain to be known and seen. ( 1 Corinthians 2:9) But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him!

So...with all of that stated. You may ask what is my point truly? My point is this; Thanks be to you, Israel, whom the Lord has chosen, I have been given the opportunity at joining you in that DAY of rest, That Sabbath Day, the DAY when The Lord will cease from His work here on earth and Heaven and dwell with us and give us rest, rest due needed I might add. God has taken upon Himself to make Himself a people, a peculiar people no less, to have unto Himself. It was His plan from the beginning and before the fall. Remember when God walked in the cool of the day in the garden amongst man and woman before the fall? Before the serpent beguiled them? Even the serpent is no match for our God

Today, I have the open opportunity to learn about God in old times past, before His Salvation gift was manifested and I am honoured beyond words to have a "Hebrew" Saviour, I'm so honoured that I wish to surround myself with Hebrew/Jewish people. Where there was a time when they were hated by all nations, that time is coming to a close as the fullness of the Gentiles is also coming to a close...(That is a frightening reality!) There isn't much time left before the door closes and that is well known throughout all the nations by the looks of this planet. So let's not focus on whether He was "Jewish" enough, instead let's focus on whether we are 'worthy' enough. Trust me, He is Jewish enough. He is the ultimate High Priest of the order of Melchizedek! That's as high as it get's folks! He is LORD of the Sabbath, and He is my Lord everyday of the week Mon-Sun.

So enjoy the Sabbath everyone! Rest as you can with the world in such a state of unrest...and look forward to the long Sabbath Day Rest which will come soon. Praise Yahshua!!!

Colossians 2:17
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Elijah..Ozell?? Anyone? Thoughts?

The End of the week is always a blessing to look forward to. To be able to keep Holy God's day of Rest, to fellowship with people with like minds, and to hear the uncut word of God.

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I thought about this because I have been reading about the persona of Jesus Christ (Yahshua) and how He is presented as a very non-Jewish Messiah amongst certain denominations & religions. I can witness or attest that this particular personification was pretty much how I learned growing up as well. I was born into a home that was/is Christian, raised in the faith and baptised in the faith and that is how I was taught Him, the preachers rarely, if ever, went in depth into the Torah/OT during their sermons etc...But were they wrong?

Yes!!!

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

QUOTE

Not necessarily and yet somewhat yes. Here is why: ( and I speak/write from a personal angle here) I was not born into the Jewish lineage or faith, so that made me a "Gentile" by birth. And God, because He is soooo smart and all knowing, loving and thinks well in advance, knew that I would be born one day, in a predominately "Gentile" nation, so He decided that He wanted me to know Him. But how?

reading his word for yourself when you became of age.

Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

QUOTE

How would it have ever been possible for an 'outsider' to know the only God there ever was/is? So He did something so unbelieveable, so extraordinarily amazing, that it is hard for some people to even conceive of in their very 'human' minds, He sent His full Shekinah/Glory Spirit into a very earthly body. He walked and taught in the streets and towns, spreading His love into every home and heart that would listen, I don't even think He ate or slept very much, much less honoured day's and rituals. He had an agenda, a plan, to bring all living creatures back to Him, all things that would otherwise be lost still today, and that includes me and many of you! And this is pretty much how I first knew and loved God; via Christianity. I learned of a glorious Gdd who humbled Himself down to the absolute lowest form and then willingly gave His flesh as the sacrificial Lamb offerring, for me and you, to save us from this life which had already condemned us before birth. Nobody has ever loved me this much! And nobody ever will. But the Almighty God of the entire universe does!!! How blessed am I! And you! Thank you Yahweh!

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

QUOTE

So you see...from a personal perspective, Jesus (Yahshua) is taught truthfully in Christianity, or atleast during my time of conversion. His 'Jewish' persona is not emphasized in Christianity because it is not necessarily required as a teaching for belief, faith, truth, salvation! Most of you Jews are saved already by the old covenant ( Aren't ya'll special!!) And yes, you are We must all never forget that God is Alpha (beginning) and Omega (Ending) So in the beginning He made a beautiful covenant with the love of His life (Israel) and had plans to later be the Light of all the nations (Gentiles) And in Him resides the absolute fullness of the Truth that none of us can fathom, there are mysteries that yet remain to be known and seen. ( 1 Corinthians 2:9) But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him!

what christianity is teaching the truth personally about Jesus? They know the name and that is about it!

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So...with all of that stated. You may ask what is my point truly? My point is this; Thanks be to you, Israel, whom the Lord has chosen, I have been given the opportunity at joining you in that DAY of rest, That Sabbath Day, the DAY when The Lord will cease from His work here on earth and Heaven and dwell with us and give us rest, rest due needed I might add. God has taken upon Himself to make Himself a people, a peculiar people no less, to have unto Himself. It was His plan from the beginning and before the fall. Remember when God walked in the cool of the day in the garden amongst man and woman before the fall? Before the serpent beguiled them? Even the serpent is no match for our God

and Israel is one of Jesus names

Ezek 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

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Today, I have the open opportunity to learn about God in old times past, before His Salvation gift was manifested and I am honoured beyond words to have a "Hebrew" Saviour, I'm so honoured that I wish to surround myself with Hebrew/Jewish people. Where there was a time when they were hated by all nations, that time is coming to a close as the fullness of the Gentiles is also coming to a close...(That is a frightening reality!) There isn't much time left before the door closes and that is well known throughout all the nations by the looks of this planet. So let's not focus on whether He was "Jewish" enough, instead let's focus on whether we are 'worthy' enough. Trust me, He is Jewish enough. He is the ultimate High Priest of the order of Melchizedek! That's as high as it get's folks! He is LORD of the Sabbath, and He is my Lord everyday of the week Mon-Sun.

God's salvation was always here even before he cam in the flesh.

what did he tell Adam and Eve?

Gen 2v
16: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17: [b]But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

what if Adam and Eve had not ate of the tree?

SALVATION has always been on the table.

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first the people have to Remember before they can honour.

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy

be it as it may

peace int he mighty name of Jesus

amen!!!
u]Colossians 2:17[/u]
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.[/i][/b][/size][/font

here is a shadow of things to come

Lk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because, that in it, He had rested from all his work which God created and made." (Gen 2:1-3).

The bible reveals that God blessed and set apart (sanctified) the seventh day. This day is holy unto God, and it is the only day of the week that we are commanded to honor. "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation: ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings."

(Lev 23:3). A holy convocation is an assembly of the people of God, who come together to worship him.

If you're a stranger (Non-Israelite), you must also keep the Lord's Sabbath day. "Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love him, to be his servants, every one of them that keepth the Sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my Holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar: for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." (Isaiah 56:6-7).

Jesus also spoke of another day, the day of rest, but this is for those who keep the commanments of God, also
if you don't get the mark of the beast, but still if you get in this rest you have to get the law.

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Brother and sisters lets keep these ten commandments and get into the Jesus rest, and Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11


peace in jesus name

The Supremacy of Christ

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians%201

Colossians 1

The Supremacy of Christ

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Isaiah 1:13-14 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.


Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


Galatians 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

This is a good scripture for christmas, thanksgiving, easter, etc. All the man made feast Lord the hate. The Lord have his feast to observe in there season in Leviticus 23 chapter.

To understand whats Holy to the Lord, one must keep the Law, sunday the first day of the week is not Holy, nor is a Sabbath day of rest.

God had Peter to clearly warn you about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now you need to take heed to this warning, you can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on one or two verse out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.
"Paul concerning the Sabbath"

(Rom. 1:1) Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God. Paul is a minister (servant) of Jesus Christ. Paul is a servant; just as you and I are suppose to be. Paul is the created he is not the creator. Listening to some of the preachers of today you would think the words of Paul have more authority than the words of (God) Jesus.

It was Jesus that gave you the seventh day Sabbath, yes Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. And I can prove that but that’s another lesson for another time. (Gen. 2:1-3) (v.1) THUS the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. (v.2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. (v.3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. It was God that sanctified (set apart) the seventh day of the week. The first six days of the week didn’t have names (they are now all named after Roman pagan gods) they were called by numbers 1-6. But the seventh day was called the sabbath which simply means “rest”. (Ex. 20:8-11) (v.8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (v.9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: (v.10)

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thou thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thou maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: (v.11) For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. This is the sabbath day of the Lord God of this bible and every seventh day of the week (Saturday) is holy, that’s what hallowed means. And the Apostle Paul understood this he knew and kept Gods law including the seventh day sabbath.

Now lets take a look at; (Acts 13:13-15, 42, 44) (v.13) Now when Paul and his company loosed from Pa’-phus, they came to Per’-ga in Pam-phyl’-I-a: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem. (v.14) But when they departed from Per’-ga, they came to An’-ti-och in Pi-sid’-I-a, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. Paul went into the church (synagogue) on the sabbath day the seventh day not the first day (Sunday). (v.15) And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. (v.42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. The Gentiles didn’t asked Paul to come preach us something different next Sunday.

They wanted Paul to preach to them the same thing that he taught the Jews, the next sabbath. Even the Gentiles knew that if they were going to serve the same God that Paul and the Jews (Israelites) served that they would have to serve him on the day that God had set up. (v.42) And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. Not the next Sunday but the next sabbath. (Acts 17:1-2) (v.2) Now when they had passed through Am-phip’-o-lis and Ap-ol-lo’-ni-a, they came to Thes-sa-lo-ni’-ca, where was a synagogue of the Jews: (v.2) And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures," Now Paul evidently was around Thes-sa-lo-ni'-ca for a few weeks and as his manner was he went into the synagogue three sabbath days.

Do you understand what the word manner means? Its definition is; a characteristic or customary mode of acting: custom: fashion. It was the law. Paul went into the synagogue every sabbath, not every Sunday people, this is the apostle Paul, and it said that Paul reasoned with them out of the scriptures. I wonder why Paul didn't enlighten them with some 1 Corinthians, or maybe hit them with some Galatians, or endow them with a little 2 Thessalonians, because these books were not around when Paul was preaching the gospel. He reasoned with them out of the scriptures, which are from Genesis to Malachi. (Acts 18:1, 4) (v.1) After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; (v.4) And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. Why is Paul continuing to go into the church on the sabbath?

Because that’s when everybody that dealt with the God of this bible held their holy convocations, every sabbath (Saturday). That’s why you had the Jews (Israelites) and the Greeks (strangers) in the church on the sabbath day. Now we have read in several places that proved Paul without any doubt whatsoever kept the seventh day sabbath which is Saturday.

I don't know Bro. Tan...I really believe all days belong to Yahweh. Since His Son came down and was crucified and became a light of salvation for a past heathen Gentile like myself; I like to believe when I honour The Son in the fullness of my heart, that I naturally honour the Sabbath Is there any other way better to honour that day? Maybe for some that are truly righteous, but for a person like me, I cannot find one single outward act that would be more honourable than simply believing *with faith* in the only begotten Son as my Lord and my Saviour.

I find one of the thing's (for total lack of a better word) Yahshua is seeking upon His return is faith:
Luke 18:8
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

I also believe that a true "follower" of the Lamb does naturally follow the commandments, all of them, without even so much as thinking about them.

Similar to a "law abiding citizen" who naturally does not exceed the speed limit or run a red light and yet does not even have to think about it. The laws were placed because of "lawlessness" they were not placed/given to have a person whorship them or use them as a check-list for getting into heaven or getting a greater seat in heaven.

Ozell,
What is your take on this/these passages? I'll underline a few words that we should especially pay attention to:
Galatians 4:24
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar


Galatians 4:25
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

First of all we read clearly *two covenants* and we read specifically here about the one that genders bondage-which if you recall we had some brief past discussion on in the thread "Yoke of Bondage"-

Now let's look at something Yahshua states:
Matthew 11:30
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Of course we know as firm followers of the Lamb/Word of Yahweh, that we do not go around transgressing laws. But before we came to the knowledge of Him, I'm quite certain we were under the law, considered transgressers. We're not above the law either; for it is written in our hearts. Does that mean we will not fall? No, we are not perfected yet as long as we are in this flesh body. We unintentionally sin and do the very things which we hate...like Paul say's:
Romans 7:24
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Hi Sister,

to answer this we must invoke the verses before verse 24 and 25 because of the words two covenants.

lets take a look at a few

4: But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5: To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Paul says we are Jesus made made under the law, to redeem these under the law.

what Law? Animal sacrifice.

8: Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

a person who know not God is a pagan

9: But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, where unto ye desire again to be in bondage?

yet once you know God or known of God they turn back to bondage. SIN

Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

so we see bondage is sin(corruption) and Jesus was made under a law, and we were under a law

now to the verses you speak of

21: Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

desire to be under what law? animal sacrifice, remember in verse 9 these Galatians turned back to the world after they
had heard the word of God.. Its obvious they don't hear the law! the commandments if kept you did not have to sacrifice animals and in out day if the law is kept you would not have to ask for forgiveness. Think about it!!!!

22: For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Ishmael outside of the Law(Adultery)
Isaac inside of the law(one wife)

23: But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

lust of the flesh(Ishmael)
Word of God(Isaac)

24: Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

not only was the commandments given from Mount Sinai, the law of animal sacrifice also.
we have 2 covenants,
The Law,
The law of animal sacrifice if the commandments was broken.
which one is of the flesh?

25: For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gen 25:12 Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham:

Today Ishmael is the Father of who today? the Arabs. whose base is in Saudi Arabia .yet there mother is Egyptian.

but the promise is made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and not Ishmael.

Deut 1:8 Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them.

Jerusalem belongs to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,

26: But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

New Jerusalem

27: For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

there are more desolate than the people who are in Jesus

28: Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Gen 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.


29: But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Ishmael has and continue to this day.

30: Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gen 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

Gen 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Gen 21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

31: So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

we are the seed of Abraham
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Galatians 4:25
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

First of all we read clearly *two covenants* and we read specifically here about the one that genders bondage-which if you recall we had some brief past discussion on in the thread "Yoke of Bondage"-

see above

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Paul also put another way to sin.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

we have a willful sin
we have a unintentional sin

as long as we are in this flesh we can sin.

the problem may be whether we do it intentionally or out of Ignorance

but Paul wans us not to be ignorant.

to the NT believer,
every day is a Holy Day,
every bush is a burning bush,
all land is Holy Ground,
every meal is a Holy Feast,

because we are in Christ

Christ is the fulfillment of all the OT SHADOWS.........COLLOSSIANS 2;16

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Leviticus 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Well, lets take a look at what James said about this....

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Hebres 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

10:28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

peace in jesus name

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Leviticus 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.



Well, lets take a look at what James said about this....

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Hebres 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

10:28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

peace in jesus name

Bro. Tan,
Thank you for your detailed response...I'll come back later tonight and reread and ask you some questions too. (the traffic in the forum is making things all sticky and I don't want to write a big long response or something and lose it)

Blessings of love and peace be with you in Yahshua's Name

Hi Selah

What a lovely post, sister!

Yes... our long Sabbath rest is indeed coming... very soon!

Bro Tan,
After reading through your response and pondering upon it, I want to ask you a couple of questions.

1.Have you always been a preacher of the law or is it something that came after your faith in Jesus Christ? (by the way, I know you cannot see me and hear me, so I want you to know my tone is of respect and genuine concern/curiosity) <<<< I'm smiling in other words.

2. Is Sunday an unHoly day?

3. Why was Jesus Christ crucified?

I think that's a decent start. For number one; maybe you have a testimony to share?

Much love and respect,
Selah

Yes



Yes

Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.



We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man, and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check.

peace in jesus name

Hey NT believer

explain this from the NT without going to the OT or Daniel

Mt
15: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

and this without goint to the OT and Isaiah

Lk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

17: And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19: To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20: And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

what was fulfilled? is this all?

21: And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.