The pre-tribulational, pre-millennial, dispensational [time frames and time lapse] overview and methodology of rendering truth from the scriptures is the correct approach for the student of Bible prophecy, but I do not agree with a number of added precepts of the traditional pre-tribulational view of the scriptures currently held by many.

Here they are:
Removal of restraint equated with the removal of the Church at the "rapture"
References to the Church in the Lord's discourse regarding Israel and the time of the end
A 7 year peace agreement between Israel and the nation's enemies
That the confirmation of the covenant of 70 weeks of years is by the "other prince that shall come"
A re-built tribulation temple of the Lord's
Israel's resumption of sacrificial animal worship during the 70th week
A revival of the Roman Empire with its core as the EU
The symbol of the first seal is the "anti-christ"
A European "antichrist"
The pope is the "antichrist"
The "woman" of Revelation 17 and 18 is the RCC
MBG's great city is the Vatican
MBG's great city is the beast's base of operations
Revelation 18:4 is a request to come out of the RCC
Identification of the first beast as a system of government .... or a human
The timing of the initial destruction of MBG's great city placed at the end of the 70th week
The placement of the two witnesses during the first 1,260 days
The 24 elders alone are the "Church"
The great multitude are believers saved during the tribulation period
Insertion of historical events after 33 A.D. and before the 70th week into the prophetic visions
Rome and subsequent historical rulers of the Middle East are in the scope of the visions
Gog is a Russian
Satan is not Gog, and not the one that the Lord’s addresses in Ezekiel's vision
The "revealing" of the little horn/beast placed at the middle of the 70th week
Ezekiel's war is extra-70th week, and or not the battle of Armageddon
The creatures described in Revelation 9 are human armies with advanced technology
The removal of the seals are actual time line events of the tribulation period
The primary focus of the visions of the Bible prophets is outside of the Middle East
That specific signs will be observed on the earth before the Lord brings His coming judgment
False predictions made related to the second coming
False assumptions made of current events that are not in the scope of the visions
Speculations made for the purpose of attracting attention

All of these listed have been suggested and imbedded in the traditional 'pre-tribulation' view and require further investigation and refinement in my opinion in order to build an air-tight rendering of correct end time exegesis as the Lord has intended to give.

Yet with all that you cannot discern the times we are in NOW.

"Yet with all that you cannot discern the times we are in NOW"

I can

Not there yet

Your thinking here is out of touch

I would show you why with vast detailed scripture, but I think you would just continue on with your view of the presence of the day of the Lord

You do the same as those who taught falsely in the first century

The only scripture I will give you is 2Thessalonians 2:1-2

Paul would tell you the same today

Stephen.. as you know i am a believer of the pre-tribulation rapture. I was reading Revelation again yesterday and there's one passage of
scripture that jumped off the page as i was reading!
In revelation 17:8 the word says that the people on earth that wonder after the beast is those that have not their names written in the Lamb's
Book of Life from the foundation of the world.. it truly is a slam dunker with regard to the rapture happening before the tribulation period begins.
I know you have spent countless hours in the word with respect to the pretrib. rapture.. chapter 17 verse 8 tells all that have a open heart and
mind just when the rapture will take place!

God bless you Stephen.. hope to meet you in the air.. fairly soon i would suspect.


taltimbr

FLYING TO SAVE YOUR SOUL ARE WE.......

Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

This is by far the weakest attempt to prove a rapture I have ever seen...........

What the heck does this have to do with a rapture????????

tt,

"God bless you Stephen.. hope to meet you in the air.. fairly soon i would suspect"

>It is going to happen ..... whether asleep, or alive

>No one knows the time .... but the Lord does

>And the door is still open ............ at this moment

Mat 24:29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

A child can understand this.

C

It is good to see your name again. You have been missed.

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