"Is all what is happening with the global economy mere warnings to the world, or is it the real deal, the final meltdown?" Time will tell, but one thing for sure, dear Christian, is that 'God has it all under control!'

....Saul's sin, at heart, is trying to escape from the circumstances, the pain he created for himself and that God ordained as divine discipline. Saul wants to 'avoid the pain' in a sinful manner, and many of us do too. Some seek to avoid pain spiritually. Paul believes in and practices supernatural healing. He petitions God to remove his own thorn in the flesh, but he is denied (2 Corinthians 12:7-10). God has a higher purpose for Paul's pain, and that is to humble him and to bring about even greater manifestations of His power and grace. Why will some saints not accept that God does not despise all pain, that He does not remove all pain, but purposes to use it for our good and His glory? Why do we seek to spiritualize our sin by acting as though our resistance to divinely sent pain is an act of faith? Let us not seek to escape what God gives us to endure.....

......Finally, I see in Saul a very pronounced contrast to the person and work of Jesus Christ. Saul’s sin and his desire to die is selfish, self-serving. His sin brings about not only his own death, but also the death of his sons and many Israelites, and the suffering of many more. Saul’s leadership is not a blessing, but a curse to Israel. How different was the death of our Lord. It was not our Lord’s desire to die, humanly speaking. He was not suicidal. He prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane that this “cup” of death be removed from Him (Matthew 26:39). He died in obedience to the will of the Father, not in disobedience (Matthew 26:39; John 6:38; Philippians 2:3-8). He did not die to save Himself from pain; He died to endure to the full the pain that we deserve as punishment for our sins (Isaiah 53; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 2:17-18). This is why He refused the wine mingled with gall (Matthew 27:33-34). He was not willing to take any “medication” which would dull the pain He must bear on our behalf. His death is not a tragic failure on his part, which we try to forget (as with a suicide), but a magnificent sacrifice for us, which we celebrate every week at communion. His death was not self-serving, but sacrificial. It was a death He suffered for our sins and for our salvation. And all we need to do is to accept it as God’s means for forgiving our sins and providing us with eternal life.

There is often a point of crisis to which God brings the sinner, a point at which suicide may be considered as a way out. People see the sin they have committed and feel hopelessly bound in the power, guilt, and consequences of these sins. They may think death (their death by suicide) is the only way out. It is not the way out, because death terminates our opportunity to repent and be saved:

And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment (Hebrews 9:27).

The solution to your problem is not to die in sin; it is to die to sin. The only way you can do this is by faith in Christ -- as you acknowledge your sin and guilt and trust in Him who has died in your place, who has suffered the eternal pain for your sins. It is in Christ that you die to sin, and enter into eternal life. If you have never done this, I urge you to do it now. As God’s promise of salvation is sure, so is His promise of judgment and eternal death. Let us learn from Saul’s death.

Miki not quite on the line of thinking using bible codes, but I have been giving much thought to what this outcome may be in this presidental race.

My thoughts scan the bible and I ask myself where in the Word does this take place....Then I also look at those who had ears to hear and what happened(s) to them...

I go to S & G and how God sent the angels to remove Lot and his family before the down fall....they were moved into the mountains and were safe. The one who was turned into a pillar of salt looked back because she disobeyed what God asked of them.

I go to Moses and how he built an ark on land that never saw rain...Those who were witnessing him build something so out of the ordinary for that time ridiculed him....The rains came and they were safely inside....

I ponder on the times of when the anti-christ will actually be here..I ask God, is HE using Obama to show the USA and maybe the world of what the times will somewhat be like when the AC will actually be here? How else would He prepare His people for what is yet to come? "...some for noble purposes some for ignoble purposes......

What I typed above are my thought processes of lately....So, what will this unsure outcome be? We will soon know...

Have to wonder..I laid awake thinking...God has shown me two types in what's coming in regards to Jacob..Type one is above..The George Bailey's of Bedford Falls Falling asleep but the reality of the Potters Field (Pottersville) has woken them up. clarity returns praise God.

The second type the Lord has shown me is Saul...




http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=378

This was a really great article by the way..and very prophetic in regards to the signs of the times..

Hurricane Ike was the most massive Atlantic hurricane ever recorded, and third costliest.

The following is quoted for Wikipedia. I have emboldened the part of particular importance. Notice the date when Ike attained the highest IKE ever recorded, ( IKE: Integrated Kinetic Energy) --- on Sept. 11, 2008.

Do you really think it just a coincidence that Hurricane Ike had the highest "IKE" every recorded (spelt the same way!) on seventh anniversary of Sept. 11th? How obvious a warning does God have to make it before He gets our attention?

Hurricane Ike was spinning around the same time as the banks were collapsing. (There is already an article about Ike as a sign written at that time.)

Ike became a named storm on Sept. 1, 2008, and quickly became a powerful cat. 4 hurricane. It made landfall Sept. 13 overtop NASA (Galveston), and became a topical depression on the 14th.

Thus, it spanned our two weeks inclusive, with the before mentioned week of Sept. 4-11 (the anniversaries of 9/11 on the 360 calendar and the regular calendar) roughly intersecting those two weeks in the middle.

I have said in this website that the hurricanes as predicted by the Balance Bible Code were not the main point of the code, but that the hurricanes were only warnings of future woes, which included a future "economic famine", as was also true of the Great Tsunami.

For instance, four years ago I wrote:

(-1- ) "See Axe to The Root, and Hurricane Charley. These hurricanes are a sign of a still greater judgment to come --- economic famine... 'A dry spring', 'a withered tree', and 'an empty balance' are clues."

(-2-) "Furthermore, the tsunami that struck the world nations on Dec. 26, 2004, killing 300,000, was a merciful demonstration of the coming righteous wrath of God upon a wicked world for murdering believers in Jesus Christ (Yeshua the Messiah), and also for turning a blind eye to the approaching repeat holocaust of Jews by Anti-Christ. This coming holocaust will surpass that of Arafat and Hitler. The tsunami was a portent of a coming war and accompanying economic collapse that will soon shake the world."



(Is war again on the horizon as it was during the Great Depression?)

So then, it makes sense that the pivotal point of the collapse of the economy would occur during the most powerful, dangerous and costly hurricane of this season, hurricane Ike ("Jacob"). (Israel is another name for Ike, that is, Jacob.)

Perhaps the fact that in the end, even as massive as Ike was, it spared Houston from what could have been a far worse fate than Katrina --- perhaps this is what will happen in the end with our current economic near-collapse?

As in AD mirror, these dates, plus the said 160 years (4 x 40), equals as AD 2001-2008-2015 and AD 2031-2038-2045.

The overlapping of our conjectured years here may be just a coincidence, but I thought it worth mentioning and recording if for no other reason than simply to remind me or anyone else interested if new developments occur in the future.

Great caution should always be taken in regard to predicting future events!

This is only one of may possible time frames for the future and I would not be surprised if nothing at all happens during the next seven years or 30 years from now! At this point the evidence is at best scanty, but I record it here for my own records.

Because we have lived comfortably under lies for so long, that when those lies are exposed it means we either chose to live in them continually down a slippery slope of destruction or pray for the LORD to continue to take them away and expose them...this will be painful for all of us but it is the only way to follow Christ

Shekel says http://www.bible-codes.org/world_trade_cen...ic-collapse.htm



No...I don't think it's a coincidence...But you tell me how many warnings we get..You should more than anybody..

There's so much in this article l got today that reminds me of all we've talked about on this forum.
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Why should the nations say: 'Where is their God?' - By Stan Goodenough

Let the priests, who minister to the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar; Let them say, "Spare Your people, O LORD, and do not give Your heritage to reproach, that the nations should rule over them. Why should they say among the peoples, 'Where is their God?'" (Joel 2:17)

Preparations are underway for extensive celebrations in the Middle East, and around the world. With less than two weeks to go to "D-Day" nothing, it is believed, can stop the "Disengagement" now.

Normally when things get hot in this part of the world, around 2000 foreign reporters swell the ranks of the already excessive international press presence in Jerusalem. This happened during Operation Desert Storm, during the IDF's Operation Defensive Shield, and again two years ago when the Americans went into Iraq to finish off Saddam Hussein.

The IDF Spokesman reports that double that number, some 4000 foreign journalists, are coming in to cover the uprooting of 10,000 Jews from their northern Samaria and Gaza Strip homes. The vast majority of these journalists work for agencies that are hostile towards Israel and favor the Arabs.

What a glorious day appears to lie ahead for them. Many will be gearing up to send glowing (and gloating) reports to their newsrooms; reports they believe will vindicate their untiring efforts to get Israel to relinquish land for a Palestinian state.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's resolve to remove his countrymen from areas he himself urged them to settle in will prove to these journalists that they were always right, and he was always wrong.

Meanwhile, people who have killed hundreds of Jews in thousands of acts of terrorism, and the masses that wholeheartedly support them, are arranging joint street parties for Hamas, the Islamic Jihad and the Palestinian Authority, who will celebrate together "the liberation of Palestinian lands." Praises will descend to Allah from minarets in Gaza City, Khan Yunis, Hebron, Bethlehem, Jerusalem, Ramallah and Shechem, and from mosques across the Muslim world, thanking Allah for this victory over the Zionist enemy.

And the fatal flaw in every peace deal with the Muslim world: Israel's pullout from Gaza, following its pullout from southern Lebanon and, before that, from the Sinai, will be understood to be just the latest in an inevitable series of retreats predestined to shrink Israel to the point of indefensibility, leaving her ripe for the kill.

Against the backdrop of all we have seen and know to be true, Sharon's insistences that Israel is not withdrawing because of Arab terror, and that the uprooting will not reward this terrorism and encourage more of the same, are empty, meaningless words. They will echo hollowly against the coffins of those Jews who will yet pay the price for this "Disengagement."

Here in Israel, the indigenous left-wing, anti-religious, media is intensifying its long-standing campaign to demonize those citizens who, out of conviction and religious belief, have chosen to live in the areas the press routinely calls "occupied Arab lands," even though they are not.

Joyful, too, will be the response of millions among the nations who have chosen to believe the media's lies, who reject any right of the Jews to live in Judea, Samaria and Gaza, who treat the Bible as a book of fairy tales, and who deny the existence, and spurn the sovereignty, of the Lord.

For all these people, the "Disengagement" is both Israel's admission of defeat and confession of guilt. As far as they are concerned, its implementation is already assured.

This will not be the first time that human beings shake their fists in the face of the God of Israel and declare Him impotent to intervene.

His power and might were challenged by Pharaoh in Egypt, who vowed that he would never let God's people go. He was taunted by Goliath of Gath, who scoffed at the shepherd boy confronting him, as if he could defeat a giant with a sling. More recently, He was dared by the owners of the Titanic, who brashly declared that "God Himself can't sink this ship."

These attitudes constitute a fearless and foolish mockery of our God, Who has not only undertaken to return the scattered Jews to their land after centuries in exile, but Who has also sworn that, having brought them back, He will keep them in this land as a shepherd keeps his sheep. He has tied His name, and His reputation, to Israel's survival against the greatest of odds.

More than about Israel, more than about the survival of a nation against every conceivable attempt of man to destroy them; more than anything else, this Disengagement is about His name – the name of the LORD God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Savior of Israel.

Thousands of years ago, after He had brought the Israelites out of Egypt "with a mighty hand and outstretched arm" their sinfulness tempted Him to destroy them in the wilderness. He chose not to do so out of concern for His great name, "that it should not be profaned before the Gentiles in whose sight I brought them out." (Ezekiel 20:13-14)

God would not allow the Egyptians or the Canaanites to mock and say: "'because the LORD was not able to bring this people to the land which He swore to give them, therefore He killed them in the wilderness.'" (Numbers 14:16-17)

Centuries later, as they wandered among the nations, the people of Israel profaned His name when, hated and homeless, they caused the gentiles to say: "These are the people of the LORD, and yet they have gone out of His land." (Ezekiel 36:20)

His Name faces being profaned once more, as the godless among the nations prepare to announce that "the LORD was not able to keep them in the land He swore to give them." When they hear the news, more than one billion people will proclaim that "Allah is greater." Even a greater number will be entrenched in their belief that there is no God.

There appears to be little reason for hope. Which is precisely why, though it be foolishness to the world, we must abound in hope. Centuries ago, God told a dispirited Elijah that, as bleak as things seemed, He had reserved for Himself seven thousand in Israel who had not bowed the knee to Baal.

Last week, many more than 7000 Israelis gathered in the town of Kfar Maimon, crying out in repentance before the Lord and calling on Him to stop this "Disengagement" and save Israel from her enemies. On August 2, they will gather once again to petition heaven.

Oh, do not remember former iniquities against us! Let Your tender mercies come speedily to meet us, for we have been brought very low. Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of Your name; And deliver us, and provide atonement for our sins, for Your name's sake! Why should the nations say, "Where is their God?" (Psalm 79:8-10)

IF ISRAEL ATTACKS – Mike Evans - www.myjwn.com

Israel has maintained secrecy about its nuclear weapons program. Officially, the Israeli government had maintained a policy of “deliberate ambiguity,” saying only that Israel will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons into a Middle Eastern war. This carefully worded statement was designed to avoid having to deny that Israel actually possesses nuclear weapons.

Still, along with India and Pakistan, Israel is one of the three sovereign states possessing nuclear weapons that have not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). Israel made this decision simply to avoid lying about the nuclear program the world knows it has.

The existence of the Israeli nuclear weapons program was first disclosed by Mordechai Vanunu in the London-based Sunday Times, on 5 October 1986. At that time, Vanunu was a thirty-one-year-old Israeli who had worked for ten years in a top secret underground bunker at Dimona in the Negev Desert, the site of Israel’s nuclear reactor and the country’s nuclear research establishment.

Vanunu published a series of photographs in the Sunday Times, which permitted international nuclear weapons experts to determine that Israel possessed a sophisticated nuclear arsenal, estimated to rank as the sixth most powerful in the world, behind America, Russia, Britain, France, and China, but ahead of India and Pakistan.

Since the 1950s, the United States had refused requests from Israel to help build the country’s nuclear capabilities. Israel got the assistance required from France, which built the Dimona reactor and supplied Israel with the plutonium-extracting technology which was required to transform the Dimona reactor from civilian purposes into nuclear weapons capability.

Studying Vanunu’s photographs, nuclear experts in 1986 estimated that Israel might have as many as 100 to 200 nuclear weapons of varying capacities. This was more than ten times what experts had estimated prior to Vanunu’s revelations. For smuggling a camera into the Dimona secret facility and taking more than sixty photographs, Vanunu was convicted of treason. In April 2004, Vanunu was finally released, after serving eighteen years in prison, including eleven years in solitary confinement. Estimates in 1997 placed the number of Israeli nuclear weapons at some 400 thermonuclear and nuclear weapons.

Before her death in 1978, Prime Minister Golda Meir told friends that suicidal thoughts had plagued her during the Yom Kippur War. Yom Kippur is the Day of Atonement for the Jewish people. It is the year’s holiest day. Prime Minister Meir referred to the surprise attach by Egypt and Syria. The initial forays by Israel’s two enemies were disastrous. Moshe Dayan, the Minister of Defense, is said to have called for nuclear bombs to be put aboard fighter planes and nuclear warheads placed on Israel’s Jericho missiles. He wanted to be ready should the attacking Arab states reach the point-of-no-return in endangering the State of Israel.

Dayan was gravely fearful that the attack would result in the destruction of what he referred to as the “third Commonwealth.” The first had been destroyed by the Babylonians and the second by the Romans.

US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger prevailed on President Richard Nixon to assist the Israelis by providing weapons and ammunition in the most massive airlift since the Berlin Airlift following World War II.

Israel’s nuclear weapons have always been considered the core of what has commonly been known as the Samson Option. The strategy is named after the biblical story of Samson using his great strength to bring down a temple, killing a great number of enemy Philistines, as well as himself, in the process. Israel has sworn “never again” in relation to the possibility of another Holocaust. Given this determination, the Samson Option postulates that Israel would be willing to use extreme measures if the country’s survival were at stake.

In the crisis with Iran, the Samson Option has been used to mean that Israel would attack Iran in a preemptive war and would be willing to use nuclear weapons. Iran’s possession of nuclear weapons is seen as a threat to Israel’s continued existence. In other words, Israel would be willing to attack Iran even if the result of an Israeli preemptive strike ended up being retaliation by Iran that ended up with Israel’s destruction. The Israelis judge that destruction in a military conflict with an aggressor like Iran would still be better than doing nothing and waiting to be destroyed. Passivity in the face of aggression has always been judged to be a mistake the European Jews made against Hitler. In extreme situations, Israel can be expected to attack, rather than to delay too long. This is why Israel’s patience for negotiations with the mullahs can be expected to run out. Israel knows the mullahs are trying to buy time and that time in this crisis works against Israel.

Analysts argue that Israel’s current nuclear arsenal opens up many strategic possibilities short of the Samson Option.

Israel has the type of relatively low-yield tactical nuclear weapons that can be selectively fired to eliminate specific targets. Low-yield “tactical nukes” could be used to hit the type of hard-ended underground centrifuge farm which Iran has built at Natanz to enrich uranium.

Israel’s larger nuclear warheads have been adapted for the Jericho series of missiles. Israel first began developing these missiles with French assistance in the 1960s. The Jericho II is a solid fuel, two-stage missile that Israel has test fired into the Mediterranean Sea at ranges estimated at around 1,300 kilometers (800 miles).
Reportedly, Israel has had a multi-stage Jericho III under development, more truly an intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of around 4,800 kilometers (3,000 miles).
Israel also has cruise missiles which can be adapted with nuclear warheads, such as the Popeye Turbo which is designed to be air-launched from Israel’s F-15 and F-16 fighter jets. The Popeye Turbo can also be launched from the three Dolphin-class submarines the Germans built for Israel.

While details of the Israeli nuclear arsenal remain highly classified, analysts believe Israel can launch relatively low-yield tactical nuclear weapons from the air and sea via Israel’s fighter aircraft and submarines. Conceivably, Israel could mix tactical nuclear weapons delivered via fighter aircraft with cruise missiles fired from sea. Higher-yield nuclear warheads deliverable by Israel’s Jericho II missiles would most likely be held in reserve, waiting to see what retaliatory responses Iran launched and how the war escalated from the initial attack.

Have to wonder..I laid awake thinking...God has shown me two types in what's coming in regards to Jacob..Type one is above..The George Bailey's of Bedford Falls Falling asleep but the reality of the Potters Field (Pottersville) has woken them up. clarity returns praise God.

The second type the Lord has shown me is Saul...




http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=378

This was a really great article by the way..and very prophetic in regards to the signs of the times..