Knowing who and what the "image of the beast" is, is of utmost importance. The first commandment is...."Thou shalt have no other gods before Me," and the second commandment follows suit:

Revelation 14:9-10 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If any man worship the beast and HIS IMAGE, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

To "receive his mark in his forehead" means to believe his lies and "in his hand," means to work for him, or as stated in the commandment...to serve him.



So, what is the image and image of which beast? There will be two beasts in the end of days. One is a political/religious system while the other is…The beast, Satan. I would think that it would be an image of the beast Satan being spoken of……

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon



13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to WORSHIP THE FIRST BEAST, whose deadly wound was healed.

That answers the question. Satan (the second beast) uses all the power of the political/religious system (first beast) and causes all on earth to worship the….first beast! What would an image of a political/religious system be? We have a second witness to which beastly image is being spoken of……

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword and did live.

It is the first beast, or a "head," (nation), of the first beast, that has or will have the wound….the wound that the second beast heals.



There are images of Baal….Satan, and those are the images God spoke of in the Ten Commandments. [Ex. 20:4-6]

Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? "I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal."

His elect will not bow to Satan but still..…that image can't be the "image of the beast" if the beast is the first beast….the political/religious system. Can it?

11 Kings 10:26-27 And they brought forth the IMAGES out of the house of Baal, and burned them. And they brake down the image of Baal, and brake down the house of Baal, and made it a draught house unto this day.

A draught house is....an out house, a house of dung. Notice there are images, plural, that were taken out and there is image, singular...of Baal but…..are they the "image of the beast," the first beast that will cause us to "drink the wrath of God" if it is worshipped?

Ezekiel 8:3 And He put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was THE SEAT OF THE IMAGE OF JEALOUSY, which provoketh to jealousy.

The Angel of the Lord was showing Ezekiel the "image of jealousy" which was at the gate of the altar, in the entry. I wonder where the obelisk is placed at the Vatican?



The Angel of the Lord also told of the "great abominations" that Israel "commiteth here" that caused Him to "go far off from My sanctuary." But…there were even "greater abominations." Idols of the house of Israel were all around them.



What else were/are the house of Israel/Christians doing that was such an abomination? Women were "weeping for Tammuz." That is another story but it simply means….the forty days of Lent. But….there were even greater abominations. In the Lord's house men were worshipping the sun with their backs to the altar. If that doesn't sound familiar try….Easter sun-rise service. [Ezekiel 8:3-18]



The abominations, pagan worship and images of jealousy, cause God to "go far off from My sanctuary" and yet Christians continue these practices today. God is a jealous God [Ex.20:5] and those are the things that cause the jealousy. And the "seat of the image of jealousy" is…..the sanctuary, or what goes on in the sanctuaries today.



So…is that the "image of the beast," the image of jealousy….false religion, that causes the spilling of the wrath of God on those that worship it at the end of days? We are told of yet another image, a "great image" that may be part of this:

Daniel 2:31 Thou, O king, sawest and behold a GREAT IMAGE. This GREAT IMAGE, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form therof was terrible.

Brightness #2122 ~ ziyv, correp. To 2099, (fig) cheerfulness; countenance…2099 Ziv, to be prominent; prop brightness the month of flowers; Ziv (corresp. To May.)

The time of Satan will be a five month period, the time of the locusts which is…May to September. This great image, with a cheerful countenance, which stands before thee and is awesome. Will that be in May?



Daniel interprets the dream and tells Nebuchadnezzar (a type for Satan) that "Thou art this head of gold." God gave all his power to him over "children of men, beasts of the field and fowls of the heaven." Then he explains the other kingdoms associated with this great image. That is the first beast of Revelation 13, the political system. Then we are told of the second beast….

Daniel 3:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose eight was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.

3:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace."

Well, here we have a type of Satan ordering everyone to fall down and worship an image. The "hour" being spoken of is Satan's "hour of temptation."

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Matthew 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.

The fake christ will stand on earth sweetly asking us to bow down to the image. Saying it will save us from the fiery furnace…hell. Liar! Remember, it will be tempting, (hour of temptation) and deceptive for that is how he will work. That is the evil we pray to be delivered from, that is the temptation we pray we are kept from…and we are. If we know the truth of who he is then he is not tempting and he can't deceive us.



About the image of gold described above, of which the measurements are 666…..

This could not have been an image of a human being. The height and breadth are out of all proportion for this; the former being one to ten instead of one to six. A figure drawn on this scale, will at once be seen to be impossible. Having determined that it is a human figure, tradition then assumes it to have been a proportional figure "on a pedestal," or simply "a bust on a pillar." But there is nothing n the text to suggest this. It would EXACTLY SUIT AN ASHERAH. ~ E.W. Bullinger (Companion Bible)

An asherah is a phallic symbol, represented by obelisks…such as the Washington Monument and the one standing on the Vatican grounds.


In conclusion….I still don't know what the image of the first beast (political/religious system) will be. Is it the currency they will use, the currency you must take to be allowed to "buy or sell?" Is it an image of the one world system, a flag to that conglomeration of nations? Is it Satan on television? Is it false religion, the "image of jealousy" that God hates? Is it an ashteroth we are to bow to or...what it represents? Or.....is it all of the above?

We need to be studying about the HAARP Program and what they can do with it now. There's something about 'holographic images.'

http://www.vtcommons.org/journal/2005/09/j...e-brook-beam-it

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopol..._bluebeam02.htm

http://greatdreams.com/haarp-sun.htm

I don't know exactly what to make of the info I have been given, but it deserves looking into and we are warned in the bible that all people will be deceived if possible. And this is one possibility.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

The image will speak, and, be alive.

Television
1: an electronic system of transmitting transient images

Those images speak, lol. Mass communication.

Who knows! I don't, but, I think it's a plausible candidate.

That was one of the possibilities but...how would it/he/they know if you did or didn't worship it?

Idk. Maybe worship is obeying. Whoever doesn't do what he says will be killed. Dunno. Lol.

There is much evidence to suggest that the OBELISK / PHALLIC SYMBOL is the "image" of the Beast spoken of in the Book of Revelation.

PHALLICISM OR PHALLISM:

An anthropoligical term applied to that form of nature worship in adoration is paid to the "gererative function" symbolized by the Phallus, the male organ:

http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/PER_PIG/PHAL...M_from_Gr_.html

WHAT IS THE "GENERATIVE PRINCIPLE" ?
(This is what the "G" stands for)

THE SEXUAL MEANINGS OF MASONIC SYMBOLS

Along with the Bible, or whatever "holy book" is employed in each particular Lodge, are two other "Great Lights" -- the Square and the Compass. Together, these three comprise the "Furniture" of the Lodge.(7) Blue Lodge Masons are taught that the significance of the Square is to remind them of honesty in their dealings with other men as well as the necessity of defending the honor of the teachings and ceremonies of the Lodge.(8) The Compass, on the other hand, designates the "circumscription of the heart," and serves to teach Masons to exercise temperance and the control of their desires.(9)

These are, however, deliberate misrepresentations of these two symbols which are intended to conceal their true meaning from the lower degrees. Former 33rd Degree Mason James D. Shaw gave the proper explanation as it is known to Royal Arch initiates:

The real meaning of these "great lights"... is sexual. The Square represents the female (passive) generative principle, the earth, and the baser, sensual nature; and the Compass represents the male (active) generative principle, the sun/heavens, and the higher, spiritual nature. The Compass, arranged above the Square, symbolizes the (male) Sun, impregnating the passive (female) Earth with its life-producing rays. The true meanings, then are two fold: the earthly (human) representations are of the man and his phallus, and the woman with her receptive eteis (vagina). The cosmic meaning is that of the active Sun (deity, the Sun-god) from above, imparting life into the passive Earth (deity, the earth/fertility goddess) below and producing new life.(10)

Thus, from these two symbols alone, we see Freemasonry’s undeniable relationship to the fertility cults of ancient paganism. The symbols of the sun and the moon, which are also associated with the compass and the square, have likewise played a vital role in the architecture of Masonic temples. These are representations of the pagan god Baal, and his female consort, Astaroth (Asherah or Easter), who is referred to in the Old Testament as the "queen of heaven" (Jeremiah 44:17-19), and was worshipped by the ancients as the patron goddess of fertility and motherhood.(11) According to the Babylonian tradition of the Kabalah, the moon is symbolic of the feminine, or the shekinah aspect of deity. Initiates into the Eleusyian Mysteries, as well as those of Ceres, were referred to as regenerated "children of the moon," and believed themselves to be the spiritual offspring of the metaphysical union of the solar and lunar principles of nature. It was for this reason that the moon was often depicted with an open door in its side, which was symbolic of a productive womb.(12)

Counterparts of these two deities can also be found in countless other occult-based world religions and traditions as well, all represented by the sun and the moon (and/or the earth).(13) These include Osiris and Isis in Egyptian mythology; Mahadeva, or Shiva, and Bhavani, or Kali in India; Dionysis and Rhea in Greek mythology; and Lucifer and Lilith in the more modern Theosophical and New Age philosophies advanced by the writings of Alice Bailey, Helena Blavatsky, Aleister Crowley, and other practitioners of white and black magic. Several occult traditions, such as the "Jewel in the Lotus" of Tantric Yoga, also venerate sexuality, and view coitus as the highest expression of spiritual union with the combined male and female aspects of the Absolute. This is precisely the reason that sexual immorality has been so consistently rampant in the various branches of paganism, for it is the direct result of mankind’s universal rejection of the knowledge of the True and Living God and his consequential degeneration into worship of the creation (Numbers 25:1-3; Romans 1:18-27).

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardt..._alter_four.htm

Freemasonry believes in a Creative Principle or force from which everything emanates. This corresponds to the Summum Aphorism of Creation which establishes existence.
http://www.summum.us/philosophy/freemasonry.shtml

BAPHOMET IS THE GOD OF FREEMASONRY

The Goat of Mendes or Baphomet whom the Templars were accused of worshipping is a Goat Headed deity, being formed of both male and female principles, with a Caduceus of Mercury for its phallus. One arm points up and one down , with the latin ' Solve et Coagula' written on them. This is not the christian devil but a symbol of the ancient alchemists representing the fact that nature and natures God is a combination and balance of male and female forces, light and darkness, moisture and dryness. The very principle of Hermes Trismegitus; As Above So Below" is what is symbolized by Baphomet.

Another Goat headed deity worship by the ancient pagan Celtic peoples was Cernnunos the horned god of the Wood. Today in witchcraft covens the goat head is seen to symbolize this ancient deity.

Unfortunately to the those who remain in the dark, these goat deities are seen as something evil rather than as the symbol of the earth, fertility, the prima mater, and the first principle.

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/baphomet.html

The Baphomet has a dualistic male / female nature. The image of the Baphomet combines both male and female androgynous qualities; one arm masculine, one feminine; the breasts of a woman with a phallic object on its lap. The illustration also shows one arm points toward a white crescent moon the other towards a dark crescent moon, representing the duality of good and evil.
http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org/ml_intro.htm

BAPHOMET SYMBOLISM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8UqmXTZp-M

OBELISKS ALL OVER THE WORLD



OBELISKS
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...fulltext=Search

HE WILL CAUSE IT TO SPEAK:

"And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."
-Revelation 13:15

How? We shall soon see.

"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
-Revelation 14:9-11

You have the answer. The image of the beast is a system governed and controlled by man; which either one oppresses or makes one rich and powerful. These can be found in both of the systems you gave. Medical field or industry is also included. If you do not bow to the government or are not 'wealthy' you might be turned down at ER's. Or they may refuse future treatments because you owe $$$. The source of evil all of it is $$$.

Jesus Christ is the root and offspring of David..

Money is the root and offspring of evil.

Babylon herself is filled with all the goods that make man rich. That's why when she falls the merchants of the earth weep and wail over her...Just look at the things in her:

The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

You can learn a lot about the beast by the system he uses to rule the world. Consider this:

Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

This is the patience of the saints...meaning whatever is happening can't be stopped nor controlled nor prevented. It sort of like the story of Moses and the Israelites with the brasen serpent. They had to look upon it to be healed...much like we have to also look upon it to be healed (medical symbol)

What I'm trying to say...the whole world system (babylon) is governed by beast (man) and there isn't any escape...we're here and we have to utilize these things for a time times and dividing of time...It is a prophecy that requires a great amount of patience and waiting for those of us who...
Ezekiel 9:4
And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

(Have you read Ezekiel chapter 9 lately? Lot's of parallels to Revelation)

Sorry if all the above isn't put together well. I've got my daughter and her friend over and they are playing music and dancing in the living room LOL So it isn't easy to concerntrate

Anyway...I never ever say anything 100% unless I've received confirmation(s) I just share what I've been revealed by the Lord Yahshua

Think of all the get rich industries in the world; who have no sympathy for those they harm or kill:
Pharmaceutical's is HUGE one!

I think the image is the system itself,,,,,,,

Revelation 13:11 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Revelation 13:12 "And he exerciseth all the power [authority] of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."

Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him] to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."

So the second beast (satan) heals the first beast (political system)When the system was wounded satan breathed his life into to system thus turning it into a religious system,,,,,,could it be this religious system is the image if the first system????

Well satan did give it life,,,,,,Revelation 13:15 "And he had power [it was given unto him] to give life [breath] unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

And a religous order can definitely speak,,,,,Im thinking the image of the first beast is the the religious system the first beast becomes......The religious system is actually the image of the political system,,,,,,,,with a twist,,,,satan will be in full control and you know he will turn it into a worship me worship me party (religious dude)

Luke 20:24-25 [/i]"Show me a penny. Whose image and superscription has it? They answered and said, Ceasar's. (25) And He said to them, Render therefore to Ceasar the things which are Ceasar's, and to God the things which are God's."

The French Revolution began on July 14 1789 with the storming of the Bastille prison. In 1790 a new National Assembly abolished the nobility in France and every image, inscription, ensignia or symbol of the monarchy and aristocracy was outlawed. These were removed from buildings and were not to be displayed anywhere else because they identified what had become an unjust and decadent system of control which under the leadership of Louis XVI, was eventually too much for the people to bear.

The image of the beast will identify the antichrist who personifies the satanic world government system at the height of its prophesied existence. Christ refused Satan's offer, in Luke 4:5, of "all the kingdoms of the world", but others, like Alexander the Great, Hitler and Mussolini, have taken the bait and foreshadowed the final antichrist in their attempts to rule the world. The enforcement of Ceasar worship led to the martyrdom of many faithful Christians, and the living, speaking image of the beast will also cause the faithfull Christians of the day to be killed.

Revelation 15:2-3 "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gained the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. (3) And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are your works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are your ways, you King of saints.

Like the global economic system that is wounded?

Revelation 14:9-10 And the third angel followed them,
saying with a loud voice, "If any man worship the beast and HIS IMAGE,
and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation; and
he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels,
and in the presence of the Lamb:

Amen.




You strongly imply the "marking" is not literal.

Obviously those who "take the mark" are showing they "believe his lies."

"mark in hand" you claim --> "means to work for him" [for Satan]

That very strongly implys you contend the "marking" is not a literal "mark".

Lets make sure:

Are you outright contending the "marking"

cannot be a literal "mark" [like a tatoo on/in the flesh] ?

[thats what it looks like,
but I don't want for there to be any doubt one way or the other]




Why does it NOT MATTER to you that Satan is put in the lake of fire

1000 year AFTER both "beast"s are put in the lake of fire ? [Rev 19+20]

I am beaming from ear to ear this morning after reading these responses. What a diverse and wonderful group of intelligent children of God. It is a pleasure to be associated with each and every one of you as we learn and share that knowledge. And....I have learned from all of you.

The answers from you are.....obelisks that represent Satan, the global economic system, the kingdoms of the world, the religious system (false religion), pharmaceuticals as well as money.

The obelisk is what was erected by the king of Babylon (a type of Satan) and he ordered the world to bow to it. The global economic system and kingdoms of the world as well as the religious system and money are all...the first beast [Rev.13:1] or......the political/religous system.

Is the image all of the above? Is it a spiritual acceptance of those things? If yes, then is that spiritual acceptance worshipping the image and taking the mark of the beast? Will it be done without making a conscious decision by most of the world? Or...is it more?

Hello John,

Yes, that is what I am implying and that is what I believe. Am I 100% certain? No, but I am 99% certain it is a spiritual mark.





The two beasts (Rev.13:1 and 13:11] are not Satan himself. The first beast is a political/religous system that gets it's "power, seat and great authority from the dragon," (Satan). The second beast is the false prophet....just the role Satan plays as he pretends to be Christ which is why he is the "false" prophet.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The first beast (political/religous system) and the second beast (false prophet - a role Satan plays) are both done away with forever. Satan is still with us (locked away for 1000 years) but nevertheless he was not killed in the lake of fire....the two very powerful means of deception are destroyed but not him....not yet.

It would appear that the worship of the image, will entail physical, public worship... not just a decision in one's mind.

"And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed." Rev.13:15

Worship or die!


WORSHIP - G4352

1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence

2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence

3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexico...G4352&t=KJV

The image of the beast .... will be an image of the beast

Most likely of his face of fierce countenance to worship

Thank you Stephen,

My understanding is that there won't be a fierce countenance for the world to see. It is a time of deception and he wouldn't deceive anyone by being, or appearing to be, fierce.

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

He will look and act like the Lamb but....he is the dragon. Deception.

Editing to add....what are the "two horns," two powers, he will utilize? They will appear to be the power of the Lamb...but what are they?

Looking like a lamb and speaking like a dragon is the profile of the false prophet who will lead the cult of the beast

This cult "religion" will have a peaceful fronting, but will actually speak words of hate and blasphemy toward any who will not submit

This description is an exact copy of Islam's creed

Daniel
8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn [the Middle Eastern "antichrist" .... the beast], which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Annie, God gave me a revelation about this subject as I took my morning walk with my canine friends. I began to laugh out loud at the joy I felt and Doodles and Shadow looked at me like I was . Dogs are so amazing. They are joyful over a bowl of kibbles or a bowl of steak, a walk or a pat on the head. We can learn a great deal from them.

The revelation wasn't so much about what the "image" is...but it has to do with what you are writing as well as a post Researcher submitted about Elijah coming before the day of the Lord.

I have to leave for one of those pagan establishments shortly so will return to this later in the day. While I sit there I'll try to sort through what was shown and how to best coordinate scripture. It makes it all come together.

The "fierce countenance" the king has is hidden from many because...he destroys wonderfully, by peace. That is the part of him "looking like a lamb."


Horns mean power. What are the two horns...power he will be allowed that are "like the lamb?" Is it that he will look and act like Christ? That would be very powerful deception. Is it religion, supposedly being of the Lamb but is instead....Satanic idolatry?

One does not destroy with "peace"

This little horn will destroy "in the name of peace"

This will be his rational for killing those who will not submit

Islam teaches that Allah's "peace" will not come until all infidels are subdued

The religion also claims that it is in fact a "religion of peace" ... when exactly the opposite is true

The directed killing of infidels is not a peaceful ambition by any stretch of the imagination

One can tell this by the satanically generate speaking of hatred toward Israel and all infidels who do not follow this enormous cult of 1.8 billion .... while at the same time fronting as a religion of peace

I can tell you that the fierce countenance of the little horn is not hidden ..... in scripture .....or will it be during the entire tribulation period

The cult of the beast will be an open rejection "against" Jesus christ .... and he will not claim to be Jesus Christ [Revelation 13:6

Islam is the very reflection of this behavior more than any other religious cult on the planet

No Stephen....it is as written, he destroys with peace. He destroys with deception. He will be pretending to be Christ so it will be a very peaceful and loving take over. The "destroy" is spiritual. That scripture isn't speaking about him destroying someone physically but by winning their soul....he destroys them.

Here is a shocking revelation a born again penticostal gave me...

'W' is the 23rd letter of the alphabet

2*3 = 6

so www. is in fact '666'

The internet is the number of the beast

This is a possibility. I was just recently researching this possibility to exhaustion with some very hepful assistance from another member...and honestly..it got too real. Not to mention I consider; if we actually KNEW the identity of the beast; would we ourselves believe? Meaning for example if it was a 100 % chance that the computer/internet is the beast...how many people would flee from it?

I compare the internet more to being in the wilderness. Both the Holy Spirit and mystery Babylon are there/here. Which one we learn from is the decision to be made.

The Holy Spirit is in some people though not this computer...Consider what you just wrote and this:
Revelation 13:15
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Course we also should take into consideration that there is a cause and effect; that people should be killed for not worshipping it...

Yes, and where is the organ of hearing? They will be able to create waves in the atmosphere that mimic sound waves and they can now if you know what the HAARP Project does. You notice the verse that you quote says "should be killed." Not that it "will be killed." And that means that you can't kill it.

I'm following you gregg...but you said that verse as that the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast,that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

I always read the verse with regards to those people who would not worship the image of the beast should be killed for not worshipping the image..

Can you explain a little more?

Hi Selah,

I didn't mean to imply that the Holy Spirit was in the computer. When I said, The Holy Spirit and Mystery Babylon are there/here...I meant in the wilderness, not in the computer. We are in the wilderness spiritually where we are being fed. Some are fed God's truth and .....some not. The computer is a tool....the Holy Spirit isn't in it but as He is in us we use that tool to teach others what He teaches us.

The computer has helped me tremendously by organizing my thoughts as I study the Bible. Being able to compile information that is given by the Holy Spirit, read from the pages of the Bible or learned from fellow posters has truly made me grow in His Word.

Now, just as it is a good thing...if used for a good thing it can be evil. As I said...the Holy Spirit isn't the only one teaching in this spiritual wilderness.

I know you didn't mean that..but what you said made me think that this here computer is 1: an image and 2: it speaks...through us! Eeeks! It is a tool; utilized for numerous reasons and also it reminds me of a bottomless pit sort of..the info is endless The computer has helped but it also confuses and hinders; it's sort of like the library of books; some say one thing historically and some say a complete nother and opposite... and the question remains; which one is truth? I feel that soon we're going to find that there is only one truth and one resource or source of that truth; and that is the Bible.

God did not make this computer; man did. God creates life and technically there is no life in machines and technology except what man gives them. I really used to think the pc and phone and TV are useful tools but what I'm slowly but surely finding is that they are misleading and deceiving and yet we all; all nations, tribes and languages, depend on these resources for everything! I guess if cnn and fox said that Jerusalem was bombed and nothing is left...we'd all believe it! That is a scarey reality. But if we turn off all resources, then we have no one left to depend on but God. It seems that these tools and devices stand in the way if nothing else..

Just consider from God's perspective rather than man's...

The Holy Spirit can speak to people through words left on a forum or anywhere on the net, just as if he were speaking through a person. I've had that happen quite a few times here from what numerous posters have left. The spirit of prophecy, and the gifts of wisdom and knowledge are in some posts. And the HS shows the people who need to know. Or are ready, whichever! Lol. But yes, the enemy uses the internet, and, so does God. Very cool!

No, I don't think the computer is the "image" but I do believe it is invaluable in getting out His Word. Whether or not we do or do not use a computer God is still the only One to depend on. I truly think, from God's perspective, that it is a good thing. As Researcher said in the previous post, the Holy Spirit shows the ones He wants to know....what He wishes them to know.

I know that some of what is taught you won't hear in churches but it is still true. This may be the only outlet for hearing that truth. It is contained in the Bible but when explained by the Holy Spirit it suddenly comes alive and things fall into place.

The trick is to be led by the Holy Spirit and not the other one. I like the computer as a learning and teaching tool but will always remember...."Take heed lest any man deceive you." Everything taught MUST be documented in His Word.

True Judy - "Everything taught "MUST" be documented in His Word" < Everything Judy, Everything - no assumptions whatsoever !

IN Christ - MM

Where does the word document that the false prophet is a "role Satan plays" ?

The beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire. [ch19]

Rev later specifies the "TWO" of them. [ch20]

His Word most certainly does NOT document that one of those two is just a "role".

Rev 16:13
"And I saw coming out of the

mouth of the dragon and out of the

mouth of the beast and out of the

mouth of the false prophet,

three unclean spirits like frogs;"


Do you doubt each person has ONE mouth ?

So how many PERSONS are spcified ?
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Regarding your "99% certainty" the "mark" will be a non literal, "spiritual mark" ....


Without the "mark", one can't "buy or sell". [ch13]

Is that "buying and selling" just " spiritual buying and selling" ?

Or is it the "buying and selling" of normal, tangible goods ?

Please document the "second beast" healed the wound.

Please document a "head" is a "nation".

Chapter and verse please. Thank you.

Rev 13:3
I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain,
and his fatal wound was healed
And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;

Reve 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles
which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast,

which had the wound by a sword and did live.

Since Satan mocks the Holy Trinity by having 3 individuals: Satan, the Beast, and False Prophet and Satan also mocks the passoover with his 'mark of the beast' it would stand to reason that since the Anti-christ claims to be God, he will have to demostrate it, just as God made Adam in his own image, likewise the anti-christ makes a 'man' after his own image, perhaps a cyborg, robot, or some combiniation using both advanced genetic manipulation and computer technology and programming.

God does not use the internet Researcher! We (humans) use the internet. Consider the tree of knowledge of good and evil; consider the parallels to the computer. What was the first computer symbol? An apple with a bite out of it. The beast in Revelation is a MAN.

Revelation 13:14
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Who had a deadly head wound?

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Jesus Christ wounded the head of the serpent/dragon/satan/devil.

EVERYTHING we need to understand Revelation is within the Bible! You don't need to look for a man with a head wound being healed or some fable of a man who comes back to life...The answer is in the Word.

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Hi John,


We've discussed the other point you bring up many times. I won't change my mind and you won't change yours so...what is the point in discussing it again?

You have raised an interesting thought concerning the mark. I agree, the buying and selling would be for tangible goods.

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark ( or) the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

In considering this I noticed that Bullinger said to omit "or" from the scripture as it isnt in the text. It does change the meaning a bit. It now sounds as if the mark IS the name or number of that name. Odd, isn't it?

These are the original Greek words that John wrote in Revelation. Since he was writing about a vision, nothing can be concrete in his writing; nothing is substantial. It is all a vision of something.



Concentrate on heads, horns, feet, royalty, authority, and thrones.
There was 1 dangerous animal with 7 heads of authority of pleasure ruling 10 horns of royalty.
The feet, the movement, of that 1 dangerous animal was like a panther and how does a panther stalk its prey? With stealth and quickness and it roars like a lion and the serpent, satan, gives the feet the power, rulership, and priviledge. The feet are the people. Not all the people, just certain individuals.
Have you ever watched the film of the assassination of John F. Kennedy? Very gruesome. His head just exploded. The whole country watched that and was in shock and wondered what was going to happen next. What happened is the population of the country was releived that the authority was still intact and it continued on and, I'm sorry to say, that it appears that the whole country of the US and most of the world is in the realm of pleasure controlled by the beast.
That 1 dangerous animal is? Yes, it is political; a policy of pleasure. And we feed it with money.

Selah makes good sense, though, and the bible does interpret itself; it is its own interpreter. But, to give the bible life is wrong. It is written, 'The written word kills but the Spirit makes alive.'

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark ( or) the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The word used in Revelation 13:17 that the translators translated as 'no man' could also mean 'no thing.' The word is not auto, ego, or anthropos; self, I, or man. The word is 'tis' which is an indefinite pronoun; something, anything, nothing and that goes better with mark, name, or number. The mark is a stamp, the number is something computed, but what is the name of the beast? The name is the authority. The authority is the pleasure principle; the policy of pleasure.

Jehovah is a jealous God. He did not want any other god to give his created children pleasure because no other god knows what Jehovah's children need. Adam didn't need whatever that apple was that the serpent gave to Eve and Eve gave to Adam. What Eve gave to Adam was a poisonous fruit that opened the eyes of the spirit. It was a hallucinagenic fruit.

Well....I can't. I just went to the scripture and it simply says...the wound was healed, not that the second beast healed it. I assumed it did because of how it was placed in scripture:

Revelation 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.


I wonder what the wound is and, who or how it is healed? Of course, it could still be healed by the second beast but...it doesn't say that.