What happens to all the aborted sons and daughters of this nation?
I was reminded of this after reading a post by Eli and the disposing of those innocents who are sacrificed in the name of "pleasures" of the flesh of so many men and women of this nation.
Are these sacrifieced in the fires?
Deuteronomy 12:31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
2Kings 17:17
And they caused their sons and daughters to pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and soothsaying, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger.
2 Chronicles 33:6
Also he caused his sons to pass through the fire in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom; he practiced soothsaying, used witchcraft and sorcery, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger.
Jeremiah 7:31
And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into My heart.
Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.'
Is this what happens to these babies? Are they burned in the fire?
In His Truth,
Suzanne
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QUOTE (tsth @ Oct 25 2008, 11:28 AM) 
What happens to all the aborted sons and daughters of this nation?
I was reminded of this after reading a post by Eli and the disposing of those innocents who are sacrificed in the name of "pleasures" of the flesh of so many men and women of this nation.
Are these sacrifieced in the fires?
Deuteronomy 12:31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
2Kings 17:17
And they caused their sons and daughters to pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and soothsaying, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger.
2 Chronicles 33:6
Also he caused his sons to pass through the fire in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom; he practiced soothsaying, used witchcraft and sorcery, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger.
Jeremiah 7:31
And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into My heart.
Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.'
Is this what happens to these babies? Are they burned in the fire?
In His Truth,
Suzanne
I was reminded of this after reading a post by Eli and the disposing of those innocents who are sacrificed in the name of "pleasures" of the flesh of so many men and women of this nation.
Are these sacrifieced in the fires?
Deuteronomy 12:31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
2Kings 17:17
And they caused their sons and daughters to pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and soothsaying, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger.
2 Chronicles 33:6
Also he caused his sons to pass through the fire in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom; he practiced soothsaying, used witchcraft and sorcery, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger.
Jeremiah 7:31
And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into My heart.
Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.'
Is this what happens to these babies? Are they burned in the fire?
In His Truth,
Suzanne
No Suzanne....they shall "go in thither," into the promised land.
Deuteronomy 1:39 'Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.
1:40 But as for you, turn you, and take your journey into the wilderness by the way of the Red sea.'
Dear Whirlwind,
I'm sorry, that I was not clear in my posting. I'm not talking about the salvation of the little innocent ones. I know where they go. I am speaking of us as a people and "abortion". Are we now a nation like the one before us mentioned. Are we as a people passing our sons and daughters through the fire? Literally.
Eli, what happens to the corpses of these innocent babies? Are we a pagan people like those mentioned in Scripture, who burned up/sacrificed their own children, in the name of "pleasure"?
In His Love,
Suzanne
I'm sorry, that I was not clear in my posting. I'm not talking about the salvation of the little innocent ones. I know where they go. I am speaking of us as a people and "abortion". Are we now a nation like the one before us mentioned. Are we as a people passing our sons and daughters through the fire? Literally.
Eli, what happens to the corpses of these innocent babies? Are we a pagan people like those mentioned in Scripture, who burned up/sacrificed their own children, in the name of "pleasure"?
In His Love,
Suzanne
Suzanne, this is a great topic. JESUS said this about those that abort their children.
Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. 29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck. 30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us. 31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?
Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. 29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck. 30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us. 31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?
Dear freedom,
I had not ever thought of that passage like that. It IS something to think about. It seems as though there are so many things that we just casually dismiss and do not even realize the depth of tragedy that we are bringing upon ourselves as a people and nation.
Oh, and we are most certainly in the time of the "dry tree"!
In His Love,
Suzanne
I had not ever thought of that passage like that. It IS something to think about. It seems as though there are so many things that we just casually dismiss and do not even realize the depth of tragedy that we are bringing upon ourselves as a people and nation.
Oh, and we are most certainly in the time of the "dry tree"!
In His Love,
Suzanne
Have ya'll ever read or glimpsed the Apocalypse according to Peter? 
I don't know the validity of the book...I think there was something about it on the History Chanel a couple of years ago and if memory serves me correct; That book was going to be where the Revelation according to John is.
Anyway I recently came across it on the internet and it talks about the aborted babies. I cried my eyes out and it made me realise mankind is their own destroyer and God has redeemed us by the blood of the Lamb...there is no other way. We're all dung!
I don't know the validity of the book...I think there was something about it on the History Chanel a couple of years ago and if memory serves me correct; That book was going to be where the Revelation according to John is.Anyway I recently came across it on the internet and it talks about the aborted babies. I cried my eyes out and it made me realise mankind is their own destroyer and God has redeemed us by the blood of the Lamb...there is no other way. We're all dung!
QUOTE (tsth @ Oct 25 2008, 03:14 PM)
Dear freedom,
I had not ever thought of that passage like that. It IS something to think about. It seems as though there are so many things that we just casually dismiss and do not even realize the depth of tragedy that we are bringing upon ourselves as a people and nation.
Oh, and we are most certainly in the time of the "dry tree"!
In His Love,
Suzanne
Dear Suzanne, the LORD has given you a burden about this. I know that the LORD is showing us much about HIS WORD and HIS PROPHECY. We are in the time of the dry tree, as you mention. Please pray for those that have killed innocent babies. The LORD can change their hearts and bring them to repentence. I often pray for their SALVATION. I had not ever thought of that passage like that. It IS something to think about. It seems as though there are so many things that we just casually dismiss and do not even realize the depth of tragedy that we are bringing upon ourselves as a people and nation.
Oh, and we are most certainly in the time of the "dry tree"!
In His Love,
Suzanne
I haven't heard of the book, Selah.
Yes, we most certainly are in such dire straits, and in such great need of deliverance.
In His Love,
Suzanne
Yes, we most certainly are in such dire straits, and in such great need of deliverance.
In His Love,
Suzanne
QUOTE (tsth @ Oct 25 2008, 03:26 PM)
I haven't heard of the book, Selah.
Yes, we most certainly are in such dire straits, and in such great need of deliverance.
In His Love,
Suzanne
Yes, we most certainly are in such dire straits, and in such great need of deliverance.
In His Love,
Suzanne
That's why our Father is Merciful and forgiving. And I know women who've had abortions and I heard one say "if I knew then what I know now" ..."I would have NEVER done such a thing" Unfortunately it happened; but Fortunately there is a way to forgiveness for ALL sinners no matter how terrible the sin. A sin is a sin...unless it is an abomination according to The LORD. So I know by me being a sinner that I cannot cast any judgement or condemnation upon someone else who commits a different sin..You know what I mean? We should if nothing else cover them with prayers and love. Because love covers a multitude of sins.
I agree Selah, but we need to change as a people/nation, as a whole. The first start to that, is to acknowledge that we have been collectively apathetic and thus are a part of the practice, even if WE ourselves have not had one. We must no longer remain silent on the issue, unless we want to be counted as accomplices to the deaths of all these innocent babies. I am not out to hurt feelings, only to confess that I too, was apathetic to the issue of abortion for many years. I would rather acknowledge and speak, than dismiss it any longer. We have to acknowledge that abortion is horrendous and we must stop the practice as a culture. I am now more interested in proclaiming the truth about the practice, rather than the complacency that we have been stuck in for so many years. Our children must regain a correct mindset with regard to "the practice" of it, so that they will acknowledge abortion for what it is.....killing of children. It is barbaric, therefore WE as a nation are barbaric by allowing it as an accepted practice.
In His Love,
Suzanne
In His Love,
Suzanne
QUOTE (tsth @ Oct 25 2008, 03:45 PM)
I agree Selah, but we need to change as a people/nation, as a whole. The first start to that, is to acknowledge that we have been collectively apathetic and thus are a part of the practice, even if WE ourselves have not had one. We must no longer remain silent on the issue, unless we want to be counted as accomplices to the deaths of all these innocent babies. I am not out to hurt feelings, only to confess that I too, was apathetic to the issue of abortion for many years. I would rather acknowledge and speak, than dismiss it any longer. We have to acknowledge that abortion is horrendous and we must stop the practice as a culture. I am now more interested in proclaiming the truth about the practice, rather than the complacency that we have been stuck in for so many years. Our children must regain a correct mindset with regard to "the practice" of it, so that they will acknowledge abortion for what it is.....killing of children. It is barbaric, therefore WE as a nation are barbaric by allowing it as an accepted practice.
In His Love,
Suzanne
In His Love,
Suzanne
Suzanne-
I TOTALLY agree with you. There was a time when God winked at these things...but the time is now where we ought to know better. And the only way is to teach our children. No one, for example told me it was wrong to have an abortion. I went with my friend when I was like 17 and her 19 and I waited whilst she had one. And I remember sitting in there and thinking even then..this is wrong on so many levels. And then my friend was never the same after that. Never. She held so much guilt and torment; she could not forgive herself and I were to see her today, I'd tell her the Good News! I believe people are far less likely to commit such acts if they have Jesus Christ in their hearts. So it's because we are a nation of predominately "Christians" that makes me consider if that is even halfway true...because if we are; then "Houston there is a problem" wake up people in America, a nation who worships God with their lips and not their hearts is a nation of vanity.
So the solution...preach the Gospel *again* in the streets and highways and byways if we must. Because it surely isn't being preached but hidden inside a church! Whilst everyone out here perishes..people gather in a building one day a week for one hour and praise and worship for themselves and then forget all about it for 6 day's thereafter.
Not good. Not good at all.
The bodies are usually incinerated in an incinerator (on sight as far as I know but I am not certain about the location).
Sometimes, if the clinic's incinerator is not working properly, or for whatever other reason, the bodies are tossed into the trash (dogs have been witnessed eating these before).
A number of doctors have been fined or punished for improper disposal of bodies.
Often time the bodies and/or body parts are sold to companies for research or manufacturing. It is called "Fetal Body Parts Marketing." Clinton helped this market grow and become legally protected (as far as I have heard).
Yes, America is throwing its own helpless citizens, robbed of all rights, into the ovens the same as the Nazis did. They killed about 11 million or so. We have killed between 43-45 million so far. Every twenty seconds, that number rises by one.
America is filling up the cup of God's wrath. Pray for that God will "remember mercy in His wrath." Pray that God will end abortion and send revival to America. Pray for forgiveness of our sins and the sin of America.
A saline abortion is used in the early stages, so that the baby is burned alive. A D & C procedure is mid term where the baby is pulled apart piece by piece. And the famous partial-birth abortion is done by breaching the baby and delivering it, except for the head. Then inserting scissors into the back of the skull and scrambling the brain, the brain is sucked out and the skull is crushed. Disposal of the unsold bodies could could be very cumbersome to a doctor whos incinerator wasn't working like in some poor clinics. Babies have been found in dumpsters. Beside dumpsters , where dogs where eating them. and left in 5 gallon buckets. At doctors homes, for instance. Untold numbers of doctors have been fined for illegal storage and disposal of bodies.
The babies are sold for parts. Wake up. During the Clinton administration, when there was a debate on a partial birth abortion ban, wholesale price lists for body parts was used at the hearings. Sold to universities and cosmetic companies. Of course prez clinton vetoed the ban.
"The Next Magazine, a weekly publication from Hong Kong, reported that infant corpses and fetuses have become the newest supplements for health and beauty in China. Not only is the placenta considered a beauty remedy, but also aborted fetuses are much sought after delicacies. In Guangdong, gourmet body parts are in high demand and can even be purchased through hospitals...."
Sometimes, if the clinic's incinerator is not working properly, or for whatever other reason, the bodies are tossed into the trash (dogs have been witnessed eating these before).
A number of doctors have been fined or punished for improper disposal of bodies.
Often time the bodies and/or body parts are sold to companies for research or manufacturing. It is called "Fetal Body Parts Marketing." Clinton helped this market grow and become legally protected (as far as I have heard).
Yes, America is throwing its own helpless citizens, robbed of all rights, into the ovens the same as the Nazis did. They killed about 11 million or so. We have killed between 43-45 million so far. Every twenty seconds, that number rises by one.
America is filling up the cup of God's wrath. Pray for that God will "remember mercy in His wrath." Pray that God will end abortion and send revival to America. Pray for forgiveness of our sins and the sin of America.
A saline abortion is used in the early stages, so that the baby is burned alive. A D & C procedure is mid term where the baby is pulled apart piece by piece. And the famous partial-birth abortion is done by breaching the baby and delivering it, except for the head. Then inserting scissors into the back of the skull and scrambling the brain, the brain is sucked out and the skull is crushed. Disposal of the unsold bodies could could be very cumbersome to a doctor whos incinerator wasn't working like in some poor clinics. Babies have been found in dumpsters. Beside dumpsters , where dogs where eating them. and left in 5 gallon buckets. At doctors homes, for instance. Untold numbers of doctors have been fined for illegal storage and disposal of bodies.
The babies are sold for parts. Wake up. During the Clinton administration, when there was a debate on a partial birth abortion ban, wholesale price lists for body parts was used at the hearings. Sold to universities and cosmetic companies. Of course prez clinton vetoed the ban.
"The Next Magazine, a weekly publication from Hong Kong, reported that infant corpses and fetuses have become the newest supplements for health and beauty in China. Not only is the placenta considered a beauty remedy, but also aborted fetuses are much sought after delicacies. In Guangdong, gourmet body parts are in high demand and can even be purchased through hospitals...."
So, in essence, this nation's sons and daughters are being thrown into the fire as well.
I tremble to think of what is due us, as a people.
In His Love,
Suzanne
I tremble to think of what is due us, as a people.
In His Love,
Suzanne
QUOTE (Eli @ Oct 25 2008, 03:03 PM)
The bodies are usually incinerated in an incinerator (on sight as far as I know but I am not certain about the location).
Sometimes, if the clinic's incinerator is not working properly, or for whatever other reason, the bodies are tossed into the trash (dogs have been witnessed eating these before).
A number of doctors have been fined or punished for improper disposal of bodies.
Often time the bodies and/or body parts are sold to companies for research or manufacturing. It is called "Fetal Body Parts Marketing." Clinton helped this market grow and become legally protected (as far as I have heard).
Yes, America is throwing its own helpless citizens, robbed of all rights, into the ovens the same as the Nazis did. They killed about 11 million or so. We have killed between 43-45 million so far. Every twenty seconds, that number rises by one.
America is filling up the cup of God's wrath. Pray for that God will "remember mercy in His wrath." Pray that God will end abortion and send revival to America. Pray for forgiveness of our sins and the sin of America.
A saline abortion is used in the early stages, so that the baby is burned alive. A D & C procedure is mid term where the baby is pulled apart piece by piece. And the famous partial-birth abortion is done by breaching the baby and delivering it, except for the head. Then inserting scissors into the back of the skull and scrambling the brain, the brain is sucked out and the skull is crushed. Disposal of the unsold bodies could could be very cumbersome to a doctor whos incinerator wasn't working like in some poor clinics. Babies have been found in dumpsters. Beside dumpsters , where dogs where eating them. and left in 5 gallon buckets. At doctors homes, for instance. Untold numbers of doctors have been fined for illegal storage and disposal of bodies.
The babies are sold for parts. Wake up. During the Clinton administration, when there was a debate on a partial birth abortion ban, wholesale price lists for body parts was used at the hearings. Sold to universities and cosmetic companies. Of course prez clinton vetoed the ban.
"The Next Magazine, a weekly publication from Hong Kong, reported that infant corpses and fetuses have become the newest supplements for health and beauty in China. Not only is the placenta considered a beauty remedy, but also aborted fetuses are much sought after delicacies. In Guangdong, gourmet body parts are in high demand and can even be purchased through hospitals...."[/b]
Sometimes, if the clinic's incinerator is not working properly, or for whatever other reason, the bodies are tossed into the trash (dogs have been witnessed eating these before).
A number of doctors have been fined or punished for improper disposal of bodies.
Often time the bodies and/or body parts are sold to companies for research or manufacturing. It is called "Fetal Body Parts Marketing." Clinton helped this market grow and become legally protected (as far as I have heard).
Yes, America is throwing its own helpless citizens, robbed of all rights, into the ovens the same as the Nazis did. They killed about 11 million or so. We have killed between 43-45 million so far. Every twenty seconds, that number rises by one.
America is filling up the cup of God's wrath. Pray for that God will "remember mercy in His wrath." Pray that God will end abortion and send revival to America. Pray for forgiveness of our sins and the sin of America.
A saline abortion is used in the early stages, so that the baby is burned alive. A D & C procedure is mid term where the baby is pulled apart piece by piece. And the famous partial-birth abortion is done by breaching the baby and delivering it, except for the head. Then inserting scissors into the back of the skull and scrambling the brain, the brain is sucked out and the skull is crushed. Disposal of the unsold bodies could could be very cumbersome to a doctor whos incinerator wasn't working like in some poor clinics. Babies have been found in dumpsters. Beside dumpsters , where dogs where eating them. and left in 5 gallon buckets. At doctors homes, for instance. Untold numbers of doctors have been fined for illegal storage and disposal of bodies.
The babies are sold for parts. Wake up. During the Clinton administration, when there was a debate on a partial birth abortion ban, wholesale price lists for body parts was used at the hearings. Sold to universities and cosmetic companies. Of course prez clinton vetoed the ban.
"The Next Magazine, a weekly publication from Hong Kong, reported that infant corpses and fetuses have become the newest supplements for health and beauty in China. Not only is the placenta considered a beauty remedy, but also aborted fetuses are much sought after delicacies. In Guangdong, gourmet body parts are in high demand and can even be purchased through hospitals...."[/b]
[b]What's this world coming to?????????
QUOTE (tsth @ Oct 25 2008, 03:07 PM)
So, in essence, this nation's sons and daughters are being thrown into the fire as well.
I tremble to think of what is due us, as a people.
In His Love,
Suzanne
I tremble to think of what is due us, as a people.
In His Love,
Suzanne
Yes Tsth, I do agree that this nation is guilty of passing it's son's and daughter's into the fire.
I also am of the mindset that not only is this nation guilty of doing so, literally....but also SPIRITUALLY.
How many have been sacrificed on the altar(s) of greed? Violence? Sexual perversion? etc.
There are many many many idols I can think of whom children are being offered up unto.
i am also seeing when it comes to the old testament we seem to be ok with what god did back in the days david slayed goliath and saul had his anoiting taken off him to the point were he tried to kill david
why is it that we are ok with what happend in the old testament yet when it comes to a mother making a choice to abort a child you seem to let your true feelings come out in this topic
i was reading only a month a go where a 12yr old had an abortion and it was agreed by her dr child welfare and her parents no one knows who the guy is that had sex with the 12yr old but a right choice was made
if a dr says we will have to abort a child whoes to say its sin ? whoes to say its mean ? whoes to say its murder
in poor countrys such as the philippines India africa nigeria kids die every day new borns starv because their mothers cant produce breast milk young kids search threw rubbish bins we have single mothers and young girls deciding to end their childs life why becaus the way the country is they dont want ther child stugling or do they want to be laying their child to rest this happens a lot in poor countrys
i dont see proffessing christians putting up the hand willing to help out these women who make the choice to end their childs life i dont see adds in our news papers saying we are hear to help dont abort your pregnacy dont end your childs life talk to us tell us what your needs are lets see if we can come up with some ideas were you dont have to end your childs life
did god spare Bethshebas child in her womb ? did god listen to David ? David pleaded with god he fasted he prayed
did god respond ?
what about the Eygptian male children that were killed ? did god care did god spare an Eygptian child ?
god told the Israelits to place blood on the door posts of their homes so when he enters there children wil be spared
we seem to be ok when it comes to animals being sacrificed we seem to be ok with the old laws
Barbaric acts of murder took place villages were wiped out young men older men women young girls kids from the age of 1 month right up to the age of 7 8 9 10 were killed babys had their heads dashed on rocks nursing mothers and ther child were killed grand mothers grand fathers were killed even the animals were killed nothing left to stand
its in the bible read it let it sink in why is it that we think god is in support of what we see as inhumane ? do you really think that god is in suport of what you stand for when it comes to a childs life being ended by his or her mother ?
i have a jornul and i have jotted down what i call Barbaric the poor people who had there life snuffed right out from under them did not know that it was going to be their last day on this earth
what about the kids that lost their lives when god ordered saul or david to wipe out a village they had to obey god
could you see your self obeying god like the way king David and saul had to obey god ?
Exodus 12 English standard version
29 At midnight the Lord stuck down all the first born in the land of Eygpt from the first born of pharaoh who sat on his throne to the first born of the captive who was in the dungeon and all the first born of the live stock
is not then god guilty should not god be held responsible as well if you are going to say we are guilty ?
i have not seen where god repented of what he did to the Eygptians or do i see where David and saul repented for the people they killed under gods orders
1 Samuel 15 English standard version
15 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have Do not spare them but kill both man and women child and infant ox and sheep camel and donkey
i know exactly why god gave these orders
if you say you are his follower could you see your self obeying god like saul had to obey god having god tel you you are to strike a certain community or city down devote destruction do not spare them but kill both man and women and child and infant and ox and sheep and camel and donkey
this is why i am asking is god really in support of your views have you gotten some sort of word from the lord ?
i dont agree with this topic i have come before the lord and i have asked the lord to confirm some things i am wanting his guidance on
if your faith can be evident on a christian forum how about putting what you have left hear in this topic into action
me and my fiancee who soon wil be my wife is filapino pastor we are praying with other pastors in Bacolod that god will draw wealthy christians behind us to were aid is offered to strugling single young mothers whoes husbands end up taking off the men who come to the philippines are from america my country and abroad they target single poor young women make all sorts of promises and when they are told their partner is pregnant they do the bolt
this happens a lot the women in my fiancee country are very pretty very loving and very loyal they never question a guy or judge him for his appearance or do they really care if he is rich the filapino women stick by there husbands threw the hard times and good times
is it fair on my new country that i am going to be a citazen off to were young women are lied to and then having the partner do the run not willing to send any support ?
to be honest i dont really care to what you have to say to what i have left hear i have pasted this and wil be showing this to some mothers i know who have had arbortions the reason i am wanting to do this is simple i want to show these mothers that i know young and old what is being talked about when it comes to christian forums
you have your right to air your concerns out on a christian forum i have my righ to show the real world what happens in a christian forum when we have digruntled christians whinning you could be putting your faith into action instead of pointing and complaining saying how bad we are
is god guilty should god be held responsible ?
its amazing how we support what happend in the past to were we say wow what an awsem god we have what a power full god we have
did any one say to god or moses that ending a humans life does not sit with me i cant do this ? i cant end an infants life i cant end a childs life i cant end a mans life i cant end a womens life but i can end an animals life because that animal is being used as an offering on my familys behalf
Damo
why is it that we are ok with what happend in the old testament yet when it comes to a mother making a choice to abort a child you seem to let your true feelings come out in this topic
i was reading only a month a go where a 12yr old had an abortion and it was agreed by her dr child welfare and her parents no one knows who the guy is that had sex with the 12yr old but a right choice was made
if a dr says we will have to abort a child whoes to say its sin ? whoes to say its mean ? whoes to say its murder
in poor countrys such as the philippines India africa nigeria kids die every day new borns starv because their mothers cant produce breast milk young kids search threw rubbish bins we have single mothers and young girls deciding to end their childs life why becaus the way the country is they dont want ther child stugling or do they want to be laying their child to rest this happens a lot in poor countrys
i dont see proffessing christians putting up the hand willing to help out these women who make the choice to end their childs life i dont see adds in our news papers saying we are hear to help dont abort your pregnacy dont end your childs life talk to us tell us what your needs are lets see if we can come up with some ideas were you dont have to end your childs life
did god spare Bethshebas child in her womb ? did god listen to David ? David pleaded with god he fasted he prayed
did god respond ?
what about the Eygptian male children that were killed ? did god care did god spare an Eygptian child ?
god told the Israelits to place blood on the door posts of their homes so when he enters there children wil be spared
we seem to be ok when it comes to animals being sacrificed we seem to be ok with the old laws
Barbaric acts of murder took place villages were wiped out young men older men women young girls kids from the age of 1 month right up to the age of 7 8 9 10 were killed babys had their heads dashed on rocks nursing mothers and ther child were killed grand mothers grand fathers were killed even the animals were killed nothing left to stand
its in the bible read it let it sink in why is it that we think god is in support of what we see as inhumane ? do you really think that god is in suport of what you stand for when it comes to a childs life being ended by his or her mother ?
i have a jornul and i have jotted down what i call Barbaric the poor people who had there life snuffed right out from under them did not know that it was going to be their last day on this earth
what about the kids that lost their lives when god ordered saul or david to wipe out a village they had to obey god
could you see your self obeying god like the way king David and saul had to obey god ?
Exodus 12 English standard version
29 At midnight the Lord stuck down all the first born in the land of Eygpt from the first born of pharaoh who sat on his throne to the first born of the captive who was in the dungeon and all the first born of the live stock
is not then god guilty should not god be held responsible as well if you are going to say we are guilty ?
i have not seen where god repented of what he did to the Eygptians or do i see where David and saul repented for the people they killed under gods orders
1 Samuel 15 English standard version
15 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have Do not spare them but kill both man and women child and infant ox and sheep camel and donkey
i know exactly why god gave these orders
if you say you are his follower could you see your self obeying god like saul had to obey god having god tel you you are to strike a certain community or city down devote destruction do not spare them but kill both man and women and child and infant and ox and sheep and camel and donkey
this is why i am asking is god really in support of your views have you gotten some sort of word from the lord ?
i dont agree with this topic i have come before the lord and i have asked the lord to confirm some things i am wanting his guidance on
if your faith can be evident on a christian forum how about putting what you have left hear in this topic into action
me and my fiancee who soon wil be my wife is filapino pastor we are praying with other pastors in Bacolod that god will draw wealthy christians behind us to were aid is offered to strugling single young mothers whoes husbands end up taking off the men who come to the philippines are from america my country and abroad they target single poor young women make all sorts of promises and when they are told their partner is pregnant they do the bolt
this happens a lot the women in my fiancee country are very pretty very loving and very loyal they never question a guy or judge him for his appearance or do they really care if he is rich the filapino women stick by there husbands threw the hard times and good times
is it fair on my new country that i am going to be a citazen off to were young women are lied to and then having the partner do the run not willing to send any support ?
to be honest i dont really care to what you have to say to what i have left hear i have pasted this and wil be showing this to some mothers i know who have had arbortions the reason i am wanting to do this is simple i want to show these mothers that i know young and old what is being talked about when it comes to christian forums
you have your right to air your concerns out on a christian forum i have my righ to show the real world what happens in a christian forum when we have digruntled christians whinning you could be putting your faith into action instead of pointing and complaining saying how bad we are
is god guilty should god be held responsible ?
its amazing how we support what happend in the past to were we say wow what an awsem god we have what a power full god we have
did any one say to god or moses that ending a humans life does not sit with me i cant do this ? i cant end an infants life i cant end a childs life i cant end a mans life i cant end a womens life but i can end an animals life because that animal is being used as an offering on my familys behalf
Damo
Damo, please consider all that I have to say here. Try hard not to let emotions cloud the issue also.
Killing an animal in sacrifice or for food or clothing is completely different than killing a human for any reason.
1. God told Noah in Genesis 9:1-6:
"9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.
This requires giving birth to live babies and raising them into adulthood, not killing any babies.
2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.
This means that God has given animals to humans as gifts to be used for food and other necessities. Humans are not to be killed and used as such, shich is what the Abortion industry does to the human babies they kill. This is gross sin in the eyes of God
And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
5 And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and from man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man.
This makes it clear that God absolutely will hold people and even animals accountable for any murder of another human. No such value does the Bible place on the life of an animal. God is about to explain why this is so.
6 “Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed,
for God made man in his own image.
God here commands the earthly, civil authorities to institue capitol punishment for murder. The reason for this is to value the life of humans. How?
All humans are created in the image of God as God's very children. To kill a child of the lving God is the highest sin against God other than willfully rejecting God's mercy through the sacrifice of Jesus Himself.
This is clearly a pro life passage of scripture. It commands mankind to fill the earth with people. God NEVER warned man not to overpopulate the land. That idea is another satanic, abortion promoting lie.
This passage clearly differentiates between animal life and human life. It places to lives of animals into the hands of humanity and even goes so far as to offer mankind the choice to kill and eat animals.
This passage places a universal commandment on all mankind not to murder. Murder is to be fairly punished by execution as a deterent, a life for a life.
17 “Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death. 18 Whoever takes an animal's life shall make it good, life for life. 19 If anyone injures his neighbor, as he has done it shall be done to him, 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; whatever injury he has given a person shall be given to him. 21 Whoever kills an animal shall make it good, and whoever kills a person shall be put to death. 22 You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God.” Lev 24:17-23.
To say that no one is doing anything about abortion exept to curse it is just uniformed. I, for one, have promoted a culture of life here in America by having four children. I am also a poor man. We are showing the world how much of a blessing it is to have children and be in a family as opposed to chasing careers and partying our life away.
Many Christians adopt children that are not wanted by the mother or the mother is incapable of caring for the children. This trend is part of the pro-life cause. One aspect of the pro-life cause is amending the laws of our nation to make it easier to adopt a child than to pay to have it destroyed and killed. Adoption is and extremely expensive and lenghty, difficult process that only people with a lot of income can even attempt. The devil and his abortion activists have worked hard to keep adoption nearly impossible.
God has also made it clear that a baby in the womb is a genuine human life.
13 For you formed my inward parts;
you knitted me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
Wonderful are your works;
my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was being made in secret,
intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.
Psalm 139:13-16
God is intimately involved with our formation i nthe womb. That time is God's most creative season in our entire lives. To invade the womb and violently end this process is extremely detestable inthe sight of God.
22 “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out (premature birth), but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm(essentially an abortion), [3] then you shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." Exodus 21:22-25.
God here shows His value upon the lives of the unborn. Any harm that comes upon the children as a result of human irresponsibility is demanded to be punished with equal justice, even if it was unintentional as a result of men fighting. God shows here that he wants all people to take responsibility to protect the lives of the unborn. God also equates the lives of the unborn with the lives of adults here.
It is also uniformed to say that pro-life Christians are unaware of the difficult circumstances many young pregnant women find themselves in. I know that here in America, if you open a phonebook up and look up "Abortion," you usuaally find at least one, Crisis Pregnancy Center. There are quite a few of them in my area.
These centers do all that they can to educate pregnant women about pregnancy, the life in their womb, abortion methods, and post-abortion problems. They provide fuill color, audio enhanced ultrasound views into their wombs. They can have prophesional, color photos taken of their unborn child's face. They can hear the baby's pulse and see its hands, feet and face. They Centers also can make arrangments for the baby to be places in foster care or an adoptive home. They provide diapers, food and clothes for the newborn. They provode information and assistance for pre-natal care, child care and any church or government assistance available to needy mothers in the area. There is a lot that is done to promote life and deter abortion. Some centers also share the gospel with these women. They are trained not to abusively pressure women either.
God commanded for the Israelite armies to kill people because it was a war that was being fought, not human lives taken in the name of convenience, sexual misconduct or "choice," like most all abortions. Goliath was challenging God to fight him, that is why he was killed. That is not cold blooded murder either.
The Canaanites were massacered for many reasons.
1. God knew that the particular Canaanites that he ordered to be completely wiped out were at a stage in socioty where they were beyond any hope of repentance. THeir socioty was utterly corrupt and sinful. TO wipe out the entire group of them was mercy to the small children who would actually go to heaven rather than be raised to be worse than their families were in the first place and end up in hell. Genocide would actually stop the evil that the people were doing. It was alos a mercy to the innocent children in the socioty.
2. If the Canaanites were left alive and were not attacked, they would either
A. Attack and wipe out the Israelites soon or
B. They would draw the Israelites away from God and the Messiah would never have come. God will always preserve a Jewish remnant of faithful people no matter the cost of h sinful human lives or any other cost.
3. God simultaneously used the massacres of certain Canaanite communities by the Israelites to spread a famous reputation of how great and powerful the God of the Israelites was in contrast to the Canaanite's gods of their lands. This would serve to open the other people's hearts to have interest in, and a healthy respect for the God of Israel.
45 Then David said to the Philistine, “You come to me with a sword and with a spear and with a javelin, but I come to you in the name of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. 46 This day the Lord will deliver you into my hand, and I will strike you down and cut off your head. And I will give the dead bodies of the host of the Philistines this day to the birds of the air and to the wild beasts of the earth, that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel, 47 and that all this assembly may know that the Lord saves not with sword and spear. For the battle is the Lord's, and he will give you into our hand.” 1 Sam 17:45-47.
Killing an animal in sacrifice or for food or clothing is completely different than killing a human for any reason.
1. God told Noah in Genesis 9:1-6:
"9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.
This requires giving birth to live babies and raising them into adulthood, not killing any babies.
2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.
This means that God has given animals to humans as gifts to be used for food and other necessities. Humans are not to be killed and used as such, shich is what the Abortion industry does to the human babies they kill. This is gross sin in the eyes of God
And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
5 And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and from man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man.
This makes it clear that God absolutely will hold people and even animals accountable for any murder of another human. No such value does the Bible place on the life of an animal. God is about to explain why this is so.
6 “Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed,
for God made man in his own image.
God here commands the earthly, civil authorities to institue capitol punishment for murder. The reason for this is to value the life of humans. How?
All humans are created in the image of God as God's very children. To kill a child of the lving God is the highest sin against God other than willfully rejecting God's mercy through the sacrifice of Jesus Himself.
This is clearly a pro life passage of scripture. It commands mankind to fill the earth with people. God NEVER warned man not to overpopulate the land. That idea is another satanic, abortion promoting lie.
This passage clearly differentiates between animal life and human life. It places to lives of animals into the hands of humanity and even goes so far as to offer mankind the choice to kill and eat animals.
This passage places a universal commandment on all mankind not to murder. Murder is to be fairly punished by execution as a deterent, a life for a life.
17 “Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death. 18 Whoever takes an animal's life shall make it good, life for life. 19 If anyone injures his neighbor, as he has done it shall be done to him, 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; whatever injury he has given a person shall be given to him. 21 Whoever kills an animal shall make it good, and whoever kills a person shall be put to death. 22 You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God.” Lev 24:17-23.
To say that no one is doing anything about abortion exept to curse it is just uniformed. I, for one, have promoted a culture of life here in America by having four children. I am also a poor man. We are showing the world how much of a blessing it is to have children and be in a family as opposed to chasing careers and partying our life away.
Many Christians adopt children that are not wanted by the mother or the mother is incapable of caring for the children. This trend is part of the pro-life cause. One aspect of the pro-life cause is amending the laws of our nation to make it easier to adopt a child than to pay to have it destroyed and killed. Adoption is and extremely expensive and lenghty, difficult process that only people with a lot of income can even attempt. The devil and his abortion activists have worked hard to keep adoption nearly impossible.
God has also made it clear that a baby in the womb is a genuine human life.
13 For you formed my inward parts;
you knitted me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
Wonderful are your works;
my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was being made in secret,
intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.
Psalm 139:13-16
God is intimately involved with our formation i nthe womb. That time is God's most creative season in our entire lives. To invade the womb and violently end this process is extremely detestable inthe sight of God.
22 “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out (premature birth), but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm(essentially an abortion), [3] then you shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." Exodus 21:22-25.
God here shows His value upon the lives of the unborn. Any harm that comes upon the children as a result of human irresponsibility is demanded to be punished with equal justice, even if it was unintentional as a result of men fighting. God shows here that he wants all people to take responsibility to protect the lives of the unborn. God also equates the lives of the unborn with the lives of adults here.
It is also uniformed to say that pro-life Christians are unaware of the difficult circumstances many young pregnant women find themselves in. I know that here in America, if you open a phonebook up and look up "Abortion," you usuaally find at least one, Crisis Pregnancy Center. There are quite a few of them in my area.
These centers do all that they can to educate pregnant women about pregnancy, the life in their womb, abortion methods, and post-abortion problems. They provide fuill color, audio enhanced ultrasound views into their wombs. They can have prophesional, color photos taken of their unborn child's face. They can hear the baby's pulse and see its hands, feet and face. They Centers also can make arrangments for the baby to be places in foster care or an adoptive home. They provide diapers, food and clothes for the newborn. They provode information and assistance for pre-natal care, child care and any church or government assistance available to needy mothers in the area. There is a lot that is done to promote life and deter abortion. Some centers also share the gospel with these women. They are trained not to abusively pressure women either.
God commanded for the Israelite armies to kill people because it was a war that was being fought, not human lives taken in the name of convenience, sexual misconduct or "choice," like most all abortions. Goliath was challenging God to fight him, that is why he was killed. That is not cold blooded murder either.
The Canaanites were massacered for many reasons.
1. God knew that the particular Canaanites that he ordered to be completely wiped out were at a stage in socioty where they were beyond any hope of repentance. THeir socioty was utterly corrupt and sinful. TO wipe out the entire group of them was mercy to the small children who would actually go to heaven rather than be raised to be worse than their families were in the first place and end up in hell. Genocide would actually stop the evil that the people were doing. It was alos a mercy to the innocent children in the socioty.
2. If the Canaanites were left alive and were not attacked, they would either
A. Attack and wipe out the Israelites soon or
B. They would draw the Israelites away from God and the Messiah would never have come. God will always preserve a Jewish remnant of faithful people no matter the cost of h sinful human lives or any other cost.
3. God simultaneously used the massacres of certain Canaanite communities by the Israelites to spread a famous reputation of how great and powerful the God of the Israelites was in contrast to the Canaanite's gods of their lands. This would serve to open the other people's hearts to have interest in, and a healthy respect for the God of Israel.
45 Then David said to the Philistine, “You come to me with a sword and with a spear and with a javelin, but I come to you in the name of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. 46 This day the Lord will deliver you into my hand, and I will strike you down and cut off your head. And I will give the dead bodies of the host of the Philistines this day to the birds of the air and to the wild beasts of the earth, that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel, 47 and that all this assembly may know that the Lord saves not with sword and spear. For the battle is the Lord's, and he will give you into our hand.” 1 Sam 17:45-47.
Good response Eli 
QUOTE (Eli @ Oct 26 2008, 09:43 AM)
Damo, please consider all that I have to say here. Try hard not to let emotions cloud the issue also.
Killing an animal in sacrifice or for food or clothing is completely different than killing a human for any reason.
1. God told Noah in Genesis 9:1-6:
"9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.
This requires giving birth to live babies and raising them into adulthood, not killing any babies.
2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.
This means that God has given animals to humans as gifts to be used for food and other necessities. Humans are not to be killed and used as such, shich is what the Abortion industry does to the human babies they kill. This is gross sin in the eyes of God
And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
5 And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and from man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man.
This makes it clear that God absolutely will hold people and even animals accountable for any murder of another human. No such value does the Bible place on the life of an animal. God is about to explain why this is so.
6 “Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed,
for God made man in his own image.
God here commands the earthly, civil authorities to institue capitol punishment for murder. The reason for this is to value the life of humans. How?
All humans are created in the image of God as God's very children. To kill a child of the lving God is the highest sin against God other than willfully rejecting God's mercy through the sacrifice of Jesus Himself.
This is clearly a pro life passage of scripture. It commands mankind to fill the earth with people. God NEVER warned man not to overpopulate the land. That idea is another satanic, abortion promoting lie.
This passage clearly differentiates between animal life and human life. It places to lives of animals into the hands of humanity and even goes so far as to offer mankind the choice to kill and eat animals.
This passage places a universal commandment on all mankind not to murder. Murder is to be fairly punished by execution as a deterent, a life for a life.
17 “Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death. 18 Whoever takes an animal's life shall make it good, life for life. 19 If anyone injures his neighbor, as he has done it shall be done to him, 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; whatever injury he has given a person shall be given to him. 21 Whoever kills an animal shall make it good, and whoever kills a person shall be put to death. 22 You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God.” Lev 24:17-23.
To say that no one is doing anything about abortion exept to curse it is just uniformed. I, for one, have promoted a culture of life here in America by having four children. I am also a poor man. We are showing the world how much of a blessing it is to have children and be in a family as opposed to chasing careers and partying our life away.
Many Christians adopt children that are not wanted by the mother or the mother is incapable of caring for the children. This trend is part of the pro-life cause. One aspect of the pro-life cause is amending the laws of our nation to make it easier to adopt a child than to pay to have it destroyed and killed. Adoption is and extremely expensive and lenghty, difficult process that only people with a lot of income can even attempt. The devil and his abortion activists have worked hard to keep adoption nearly impossible.
God has also made it clear that a baby in the womb is a genuine human life.
13 For you formed my inward parts;
you knitted me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
Wonderful are your works;
my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was being made in secret,
intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.
Psalm 139:13-16
God is intimately involved with our formation i nthe womb. That time is God's most creative season in our entire lives. To invade the womb and violently end this process is extremely detestable inthe sight of God.
22 “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out (premature birth), but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm(essentially an abortion), [3] then you shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." Exodus 21:22-25.
God here shows His value upon the lives of the unborn. Any harm that comes upon the children as a result of human irresponsibility is demanded to be punished with equal justice, even if it was unintentional as a result of men fighting. God shows here that he wants all people to take responsibility to protect the lives of the unborn. God also equates the lives of the unborn with the lives of adults here.
It is also uniformed to say that pro-life Christians are unaware of the difficult circumstances many young pregnant women find themselves in. I know that here in America, if you open a phonebook up and look up "Abortion," you usuaally find at least one, Crisis Pregnancy Center. There are quite a few of them in my area.
These centers do all that they can to educate pregnant women about pregnancy, the life in their womb, abortion methods, and post-abortion problems. They provide fuill color, audio enhanced ultrasound views into their wombs. They can have prophesional, color photos taken of their unborn child's face. They can hear the baby's pulse and see its hands, feet and face. They Centers also can make arrangments for the baby to be places in foster care or an adoptive home. They provide diapers, food and clothes for the newborn. They provode information and assistance for pre-natal care, child care and any church or government assistance available to needy mothers in the area. There is a lot that is done to promote life and deter abortion. Some centers also share the gospel with these women. They are trained not to abusively pressure women either.
God commanded for the Israelite armies to kill people because it was a war that was being fought, not human lives taken in the name of convenience, sexual misconduct or "choice," like most all abortions. Goliath was challenging God to fight him, that is why he was killed. That is not cold blooded murder either.
The Canaanites were massacered for many reasons.
1. God knew that the particular Canaanites that he ordered to be completely wiped out were at a stage in socioty where they were beyond any hope of repentance. THeir socioty was utterly corrupt and sinful. TO wipe out the entire group of them was mercy to the small children who would actually go to heaven rather than be raised to be worse than their families were in the first place and end up in hell. Genocide would actually stop the evil that the people were doing. It was alos a mercy to the innocent children in the socioty.
2. If the Canaanites were left alive and were not attacked, they would either
A. Attack and wipe out the Israelites soon or
B. They would draw the Israelites away from God and the Messiah would never have come. God will always preserve a Jewish remnant of faithful people no matter the cost of h sinful human lives or any other cost.
3. God simultaneously used the massacres of certain Canaanite communities by the Israelites to spread a famous reputation of how great and powerful the God of the Israelites was in contrast to the Canaanite's gods of their lands. This would serve to open the other people's hearts to have interest in, and a healthy respect for the God of Israel.
45 Then David said to the Philistine, “You come to me with a sword and with a spear and with a javelin, but I come to you in the name of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. 46 This day the Lord will deliver you into my hand, and I will strike you down and cut off your head. And I will give the dead bodies of the host of the Philistines this day to the birds of the air and to the wild beasts of the earth, that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel, 47 and that all this assembly may know that the Lord saves not with sword and spear. For the battle is the Lord's, and he will give you into our hand.” 1 Sam 17:45-47.
Killing an animal in sacrifice or for food or clothing is completely different than killing a human for any reason.
1. God told Noah in Genesis 9:1-6:
"9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.
This requires giving birth to live babies and raising them into adulthood, not killing any babies.
2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.
This means that God has given animals to humans as gifts to be used for food and other necessities. Humans are not to be killed and used as such, shich is what the Abortion industry does to the human babies they kill. This is gross sin in the eyes of God
And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
5 And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and from man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man.
This makes it clear that God absolutely will hold people and even animals accountable for any murder of another human. No such value does the Bible place on the life of an animal. God is about to explain why this is so.
6 “Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed,
for God made man in his own image.
God here commands the earthly, civil authorities to institue capitol punishment for murder. The reason for this is to value the life of humans. How?
All humans are created in the image of God as God's very children. To kill a child of the lving God is the highest sin against God other than willfully rejecting God's mercy through the sacrifice of Jesus Himself.
This is clearly a pro life passage of scripture. It commands mankind to fill the earth with people. God NEVER warned man not to overpopulate the land. That idea is another satanic, abortion promoting lie.
This passage clearly differentiates between animal life and human life. It places to lives of animals into the hands of humanity and even goes so far as to offer mankind the choice to kill and eat animals.
This passage places a universal commandment on all mankind not to murder. Murder is to be fairly punished by execution as a deterent, a life for a life.
17 “Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death. 18 Whoever takes an animal's life shall make it good, life for life. 19 If anyone injures his neighbor, as he has done it shall be done to him, 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; whatever injury he has given a person shall be given to him. 21 Whoever kills an animal shall make it good, and whoever kills a person shall be put to death. 22 You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God.” Lev 24:17-23.
To say that no one is doing anything about abortion exept to curse it is just uniformed. I, for one, have promoted a culture of life here in America by having four children. I am also a poor man. We are showing the world how much of a blessing it is to have children and be in a family as opposed to chasing careers and partying our life away.
Many Christians adopt children that are not wanted by the mother or the mother is incapable of caring for the children. This trend is part of the pro-life cause. One aspect of the pro-life cause is amending the laws of our nation to make it easier to adopt a child than to pay to have it destroyed and killed. Adoption is and extremely expensive and lenghty, difficult process that only people with a lot of income can even attempt. The devil and his abortion activists have worked hard to keep adoption nearly impossible.
God has also made it clear that a baby in the womb is a genuine human life.
13 For you formed my inward parts;
you knitted me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
Wonderful are your works;
my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was being made in secret,
intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.
Psalm 139:13-16
God is intimately involved with our formation i nthe womb. That time is God's most creative season in our entire lives. To invade the womb and violently end this process is extremely detestable inthe sight of God.
22 “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out (premature birth), but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm(essentially an abortion), [3] then you shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." Exodus 21:22-25.
God here shows His value upon the lives of the unborn. Any harm that comes upon the children as a result of human irresponsibility is demanded to be punished with equal justice, even if it was unintentional as a result of men fighting. God shows here that he wants all people to take responsibility to protect the lives of the unborn. God also equates the lives of the unborn with the lives of adults here.
It is also uniformed to say that pro-life Christians are unaware of the difficult circumstances many young pregnant women find themselves in. I know that here in America, if you open a phonebook up and look up "Abortion," you usuaally find at least one, Crisis Pregnancy Center. There are quite a few of them in my area.
These centers do all that they can to educate pregnant women about pregnancy, the life in their womb, abortion methods, and post-abortion problems. They provide fuill color, audio enhanced ultrasound views into their wombs. They can have prophesional, color photos taken of their unborn child's face. They can hear the baby's pulse and see its hands, feet and face. They Centers also can make arrangments for the baby to be places in foster care or an adoptive home. They provide diapers, food and clothes for the newborn. They provode information and assistance for pre-natal care, child care and any church or government assistance available to needy mothers in the area. There is a lot that is done to promote life and deter abortion. Some centers also share the gospel with these women. They are trained not to abusively pressure women either.
God commanded for the Israelite armies to kill people because it was a war that was being fought, not human lives taken in the name of convenience, sexual misconduct or "choice," like most all abortions. Goliath was challenging God to fight him, that is why he was killed. That is not cold blooded murder either.
The Canaanites were massacered for many reasons.
1. God knew that the particular Canaanites that he ordered to be completely wiped out were at a stage in socioty where they were beyond any hope of repentance. THeir socioty was utterly corrupt and sinful. TO wipe out the entire group of them was mercy to the small children who would actually go to heaven rather than be raised to be worse than their families were in the first place and end up in hell. Genocide would actually stop the evil that the people were doing. It was alos a mercy to the innocent children in the socioty.
2. If the Canaanites were left alive and were not attacked, they would either
A. Attack and wipe out the Israelites soon or
B. They would draw the Israelites away from God and the Messiah would never have come. God will always preserve a Jewish remnant of faithful people no matter the cost of h sinful human lives or any other cost.
3. God simultaneously used the massacres of certain Canaanite communities by the Israelites to spread a famous reputation of how great and powerful the God of the Israelites was in contrast to the Canaanite's gods of their lands. This would serve to open the other people's hearts to have interest in, and a healthy respect for the God of Israel.
45 Then David said to the Philistine, “You come to me with a sword and with a spear and with a javelin, but I come to you in the name of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. 46 This day the Lord will deliver you into my hand, and I will strike you down and cut off your head. And I will give the dead bodies of the host of the Philistines this day to the birds of the air and to the wild beasts of the earth, that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel, 47 and that all this assembly may know that the Lord saves not with sword and spear. For the battle is the Lord's, and he will give you into our hand.” 1 Sam 17:45-47.
high Eli
i am sencing this and we have burried a child its not nice to have to lay your own child that once had a heart beat and then try to explaine this to your surviving child where his brother is and why we had to burry him
my concern also is back yard clinicks that are set up by unproffesional guys who dont take the right care a proper dr would with the proper set up
hear in Australia in certain citys laws have been passed and in Melbourne a law has been passed to prottect the mother
what i am seeing when it comes to king david and bethsheba god did not spare the child in her womb
i dont support guys who blow abortion clinicks or kill the staf working in these centers but ther are pro life christians who have taken it to the next leval where they do support the death of the staff and the guys that blow up abortion clinicks
i dont not picket or do i stand in a line with the rest of the pro life supporters to were a mother or single women is put to shame
my focus is also on the mother and the choice made by her dr spare the mother or let the mother die and spare the child in her womb
i have met men who have lost their wifes but the child has survived the guys i met are from poor countrys i have read storys only last year my fiancee did a funeral for a family this guy lost his wife
i feel it should be up to the family not pro life supporters saying its wrong and we should not hide behind the bible or quote scripture that we are familur with this happens a lot in this forum to were if we want to be rude with out attacking or putting some one down we use the scriptures we know so well to make a point hit home i dont do this or do i let my emotions take over i am human and i am ussing what god has given me to work it out my self
we dont come down on the women in my fiancee country who do make the choice to abort a child we dont shame them and use biblical verses to make the point sink in
i am not attacking you eli i know where you are comming from brother i am against what i see in this forum and i have worked out who the trouble makers are i dont like it when a member is attacked for no reason
as i stated their are men who fail to support there partners and i am anoyed how some guys use the women in my fiancees country and when told that she is pregnant they do the bolt thes young girls and women are from poor familys they have no social security like we do in australia eli they have to raise their child up with out the aid of welfare
i understand what you are saying but the way i see it humans were killed and i see it from both sides gods side and my human side
as i said i have pasted what tsth has left hear and i wil be showing it to some god fearing women i know who have had abortions when it comes to this forum eli i am noticing certain people get attacked for no reason and when it comes to what tsth has left hear in comes the support voice has a post set up to were he is know being attacked and i have read what one member left hear good job thinking i need to listen is it fair that we attack a member on this fourm al due to voice putting a post up that could help some one but when it comes to abortion out comes the support saying i agree good job
if my wife was given a choice and told she would die but the child in her womb would live i would end the childs life to spare my wifes life with out hesitation or turning to a pro life supporter for answeres
i do not support fanatics who do as i said blow up abortion clinicks or kil innocent staff members no need to shame a mother or a young women its there choice not a pro life supporters choice pro life supporters have not one me over or will i support the pro life movement when i know there are fanatics that tend to harm staff members
God bless from Damo
Psalms 106
35 But they mingled with the Gentiles And learned their works; 36 They served their idols, Which became a snare to them. 37 They even sacrificed their sons And their daughters to demons, 38 And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with blood. 39 Thus they were defiled by their own works, And played the harlot by their own deeds. 40 Therefore the wrath of the Lord was kindled against His people, So that He abhorred His own inheritance.
And yet, many refuse to acknowledge that we are doing the very same things, as a people.
In His Truth,
Suzanne
35 But they mingled with the Gentiles And learned their works; 36 They served their idols, Which became a snare to them. 37 They even sacrificed their sons And their daughters to demons, 38 And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with blood. 39 Thus they were defiled by their own works, And played the harlot by their own deeds. 40 Therefore the wrath of the Lord was kindled against His people, So that He abhorred His own inheritance.
And yet, many refuse to acknowledge that we are doing the very same things, as a people.
In His Truth,
Suzanne
since we have pro life supporters hidding behind their scripture passages they know so well to the point were if one disagrees you gang up on them by leaving scripture passages you have high lighted
what about Genocide ? you pro life supporters line up with other pro life supporters and picket near Abortion clinicks
to where as i said you shame the workers and the women who go to these abortion clinicks
show me in the new testament only where Jesus and his disciples aired out ther concerns ?
show me where Jesus James John Mark Peter matthew Paul And the other disciples held signs in their hands saying down with the pharisees down with the sadducees down with the elders down with the chief priests
i can see where Jesus was in heated confratations but i cant see where Jesus or his disciples supported fanatics or ended an innocent humans life like planting a bomb at one of the synagogues the pharisees and sadducees and the scribes and the chief priests and the elders attended
when you hear of a nation being wiped out like uganda or what is happening in Dafor and what has happend in my country yugoslavia and what hittler did with the jews what goes through your mind ?
hear you are in the comfort of your own home you have everything you want you have the freedom to worship god you have social security set up to help the poor and unemployed people you have a good health system set up you have a good goverment that cares for the people a powerfull army and powerfull navy you have fresh food being brought into your local suppermarkets your kids are safe
you hear what the news reporter is telling you and you see dead bodies laying on the ground you see what use to be a village you hear a mother crying over her dead family and see her holding her new born child in her arms skinny no fat on them you just see bones do you turn the tv off do you show your human side like tears running down your face will you do something or will you switch of and say no its not my problem i am safe where i am my kds are safe we have everything we need
can you sleep while you know people are being wiped out knowing that a child wil starv and you look at your kids they have food on the table clean clothes loving parents and never have to worry where the next meal is going to come from
the girl i held in the philippines when i was with my fiancee on the 29th of jan some times goes with out she only eats when her mother can afford to cook a meal some times they go with out for 7 days and only drink water this girl i held knows other kids dont go through what she goes through she said to me she is lucky to be alive at any given time her life could have been taken off her when i held her she did not let go off me she held me tight and i could sence something was wrong with her we held a healing service she turned up with her sister she was 7yrs old her sister 8yrs old this little girl opened up to me i was told she does not do this with men but no one told her to sit on the floor my fiancee smiled at me and gave me a hug she sees that i have a heart when it comes to kids i care for kids more than i do for what i witness pro life supporters doing to abortion clinicks
i know christians who turn the tv off when world vision adds come on and only turn the tv on when these adds are finished i have been told some christians cant handle seeing the world vision adds or hearing what is happening in another country
this is why i will not support the pro life movement or wil i listen to a pro life supporter
show me where jesus says its ok for us to get involved in violent pro tests ? no use leaving me bible passages you are so use to thinking it wil make me think you have not one me over or wil i alow you to force your views on to me
i am supprised i have not been attacked like voice has been attacked
Damo
what about Genocide ? you pro life supporters line up with other pro life supporters and picket near Abortion clinicks
to where as i said you shame the workers and the women who go to these abortion clinicks
show me in the new testament only where Jesus and his disciples aired out ther concerns ?
show me where Jesus James John Mark Peter matthew Paul And the other disciples held signs in their hands saying down with the pharisees down with the sadducees down with the elders down with the chief priests
i can see where Jesus was in heated confratations but i cant see where Jesus or his disciples supported fanatics or ended an innocent humans life like planting a bomb at one of the synagogues the pharisees and sadducees and the scribes and the chief priests and the elders attended
when you hear of a nation being wiped out like uganda or what is happening in Dafor and what has happend in my country yugoslavia and what hittler did with the jews what goes through your mind ?
hear you are in the comfort of your own home you have everything you want you have the freedom to worship god you have social security set up to help the poor and unemployed people you have a good health system set up you have a good goverment that cares for the people a powerfull army and powerfull navy you have fresh food being brought into your local suppermarkets your kids are safe
you hear what the news reporter is telling you and you see dead bodies laying on the ground you see what use to be a village you hear a mother crying over her dead family and see her holding her new born child in her arms skinny no fat on them you just see bones do you turn the tv off do you show your human side like tears running down your face will you do something or will you switch of and say no its not my problem i am safe where i am my kds are safe we have everything we need
can you sleep while you know people are being wiped out knowing that a child wil starv and you look at your kids they have food on the table clean clothes loving parents and never have to worry where the next meal is going to come from
the girl i held in the philippines when i was with my fiancee on the 29th of jan some times goes with out she only eats when her mother can afford to cook a meal some times they go with out for 7 days and only drink water this girl i held knows other kids dont go through what she goes through she said to me she is lucky to be alive at any given time her life could have been taken off her when i held her she did not let go off me she held me tight and i could sence something was wrong with her we held a healing service she turned up with her sister she was 7yrs old her sister 8yrs old this little girl opened up to me i was told she does not do this with men but no one told her to sit on the floor my fiancee smiled at me and gave me a hug she sees that i have a heart when it comes to kids i care for kids more than i do for what i witness pro life supporters doing to abortion clinicks
i know christians who turn the tv off when world vision adds come on and only turn the tv on when these adds are finished i have been told some christians cant handle seeing the world vision adds or hearing what is happening in another country
this is why i will not support the pro life movement or wil i listen to a pro life supporter
show me where jesus says its ok for us to get involved in violent pro tests ? no use leaving me bible passages you are so use to thinking it wil make me think you have not one me over or wil i alow you to force your views on to me
i am supprised i have not been attacked like voice has been attacked
Damo
Let me make some things clear.
I used to live in Pensacola Florida where an abortion clinic was bombed and people died. That is cold blooded murder. It is also no different than killing an unborn child. A human life is a human life. I am a supporter of the pro-life movement and I have never talked to any person who supports this movement who was not grieved and heartbroken over the muder of any abortion doctors. But do not cloud the issue, killing an unborn person is just as much a murder as killing an adult.
Only the civil authorities have the authority from God in the Bible to kill people. The only people they are Biblically sanctioned to kill are convicted murderers and no one else. Gen 9 clearly tells us this. The Bible bnever gives any allowance for any other humans to decide to take the life of another human for any reason anywhere in the Bible.
I noticed that Damo, you have no scriptures at all to support anything that you have said thus far. You may want to take this as a genuinely heart felt plea to take your convictions and compare them with the Bible. Do not try to find justification for your personal beliefs in the Bible. Let the Bible speak for itself. It is what it is.
Also, killing others in battle is not the same as murder in the Bible. God commands us to defend the innocent. A Biblically just war is to punish evil and protect the innocent and defensless (like the unborn are). Read Romans 13:2-4 "2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed,
and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.
... 4 he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer."
Innocent people die in just battles against evil, like the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Those deaths are almost all accidents. These are not cold blooded murders. The Bible makes it clear, in the Pentateuch/Law, that manslaughter is not punishable as murder. It has restitution demanded, but not punishment. Common sense also would support this idea.
People getting killed and dying in the wars that the USA are fighting is totally different than the systematic murder of the most innocent and helpless people in our socioty, the unborn. War is also not a sin for governments to participate in, as long as the war is protecting the defensless and innocent from harm. That is why the Israelites were commanded to defend their territory and to attack aggressive threats to their own nation.
Damo, I can't understand some of the paragraphs you wrote. A little punctuation, like periods (ie ...) would really help a lot. You are just wasting your time to write without other people being able to understand what you are saying at all. Just a helpful tip. For instance, the paragraph about Voice was totally unclear and confusing. Here is is:
as i said i have pasted what tsth has left hear and i wil be showing it to some god fearing women i know who have had abortions when it comes to this forum eli i am noticing certain people get attacked for no reason and when it comes to what tsth has left hear in comes the support voice has a post set up to were he is know being attacked and i have read what one member left hear good job thinking i need to listen is it fair that we attack a member on this fourm al due to voice putting a post up that could help some one but when it comes to abortion out comes the support saying i agree good job
Also, I do not support the idea of purposefully demeaning women who are going to an abortion clinic either. I have participated in a "prayer seige"at a local abortion clinic. We stood outside on the sidewalk in front of the clinic for 40 days and fasted and prayed each and every day. We had red tape over our mouths with the word "LIFE" written on it. This prevented any conversation or sound at all. This reason for the tape was to prophetically speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, the unborn. The word LIFE represents the life of the unborn. The tape also shows others that we were not there to say anything to any human, but to the God who hears the crys of the blood of the unborn and who hears the crys of his people when they pray. A few women pulled some of us aside and talked to us before they went in to have their abortion. We took off the tape and shared all the true information with them about what they were actually about to do. We also shared the gospel with them, cried with them, and counseled them. We heard some horrendous stories of injustice and evil from these women. Other people were forcing one girl to have an abortion. Three women chose life after talking with us. They also either got saved or drew closer to God thru this experience. 2 months after the siege ended, the Abortion doctor was summoned to court because of numerous health code violations. The clinic shut down for over a year. God heard our prayers. The battle continues every day in America.
Check out the info at this website if you have any qualms in your conscience at all. This is the movement that I was participating in the prayer seige with. They have been very active all over our nation for years now. THere is a pro-life prayer movement, mostly among the young here in the USA. They are praying 24/7 in Washington DC, right down the street from the White House. They pray in front of the US Supreme Court as well as in front of abortion clinics and other court houses. There are a number of supernatural success stories that they have accumulated over the last few years. http://bound4life.com/
I used to live in Pensacola Florida where an abortion clinic was bombed and people died. That is cold blooded murder. It is also no different than killing an unborn child. A human life is a human life. I am a supporter of the pro-life movement and I have never talked to any person who supports this movement who was not grieved and heartbroken over the muder of any abortion doctors. But do not cloud the issue, killing an unborn person is just as much a murder as killing an adult.
Only the civil authorities have the authority from God in the Bible to kill people. The only people they are Biblically sanctioned to kill are convicted murderers and no one else. Gen 9 clearly tells us this. The Bible bnever gives any allowance for any other humans to decide to take the life of another human for any reason anywhere in the Bible.
I noticed that Damo, you have no scriptures at all to support anything that you have said thus far. You may want to take this as a genuinely heart felt plea to take your convictions and compare them with the Bible. Do not try to find justification for your personal beliefs in the Bible. Let the Bible speak for itself. It is what it is.
Also, killing others in battle is not the same as murder in the Bible. God commands us to defend the innocent. A Biblically just war is to punish evil and protect the innocent and defensless (like the unborn are). Read Romans 13:2-4 "2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed,
and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.
... 4 he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer."
Innocent people die in just battles against evil, like the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Those deaths are almost all accidents. These are not cold blooded murders. The Bible makes it clear, in the Pentateuch/Law, that manslaughter is not punishable as murder. It has restitution demanded, but not punishment. Common sense also would support this idea.
People getting killed and dying in the wars that the USA are fighting is totally different than the systematic murder of the most innocent and helpless people in our socioty, the unborn. War is also not a sin for governments to participate in, as long as the war is protecting the defensless and innocent from harm. That is why the Israelites were commanded to defend their territory and to attack aggressive threats to their own nation.
Damo, I can't understand some of the paragraphs you wrote. A little punctuation, like periods (ie ...) would really help a lot. You are just wasting your time to write without other people being able to understand what you are saying at all. Just a helpful tip. For instance, the paragraph about Voice was totally unclear and confusing. Here is is:
as i said i have pasted what tsth has left hear and i wil be showing it to some god fearing women i know who have had abortions when it comes to this forum eli i am noticing certain people get attacked for no reason and when it comes to what tsth has left hear in comes the support voice has a post set up to were he is know being attacked and i have read what one member left hear good job thinking i need to listen is it fair that we attack a member on this fourm al due to voice putting a post up that could help some one but when it comes to abortion out comes the support saying i agree good job
Also, I do not support the idea of purposefully demeaning women who are going to an abortion clinic either. I have participated in a "prayer seige"at a local abortion clinic. We stood outside on the sidewalk in front of the clinic for 40 days and fasted and prayed each and every day. We had red tape over our mouths with the word "LIFE" written on it. This prevented any conversation or sound at all. This reason for the tape was to prophetically speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, the unborn. The word LIFE represents the life of the unborn. The tape also shows others that we were not there to say anything to any human, but to the God who hears the crys of the blood of the unborn and who hears the crys of his people when they pray. A few women pulled some of us aside and talked to us before they went in to have their abortion. We took off the tape and shared all the true information with them about what they were actually about to do. We also shared the gospel with them, cried with them, and counseled them. We heard some horrendous stories of injustice and evil from these women. Other people were forcing one girl to have an abortion. Three women chose life after talking with us. They also either got saved or drew closer to God thru this experience. 2 months after the siege ended, the Abortion doctor was summoned to court because of numerous health code violations. The clinic shut down for over a year. God heard our prayers. The battle continues every day in America.
Check out the info at this website if you have any qualms in your conscience at all. This is the movement that I was participating in the prayer seige with. They have been very active all over our nation for years now. THere is a pro-life prayer movement, mostly among the young here in the USA. They are praying 24/7 in Washington DC, right down the street from the White House. They pray in front of the US Supreme Court as well as in front of abortion clinics and other court houses. There are a number of supernatural success stories that they have accumulated over the last few years. http://bound4life.com/
High Eli
sorry but i wil not budge or will i leave scripture to back my views i notice when it comes to this forum members hide behind the scriptures they have gotten to know so well to the point if they want to be rude and say nothing they leave you what i call their trump card
as i said i dont let no one force their views on to me or do i support pro life supporters who go out of their way to cause trouble
that is why i wil not leave scripture to prove my point i noticed when i do leave scripture to prove my point some one else says no hear is what you are leaving really has to say
as i said show me in the newtestament where jesus protested ? al i see is where the pharisees and sadducees and the chief priests and the scribes questioned or drilled jesus
and another thing if any one has anything to say say it direct to me i noticed i am ives gave you Eli the thumbs up saying good post in the near futer direct what you want to say with out saying good job i know i am ives and sevral have been reading what i have left in tsth post as i said i have printed off what tsth has left hear and i have shown this to the god fearing women i know its up to them if they come to this forum and confront tsth
i am not being rude to you Eli i know you dont do this when responding to members but ther are members hear who have been rude to other memebers when some one does not support what they believe in you are seen as a weak christian
i noticed no one payed attention to what i had to say as a human being all i am seeing is people wanting me to let go off the way i think to where i am supporting what you believe in this will never happen i am my own man and come judgment day i wil let the lord deal with me i wil not let an unstable member tell me i am a weak christian because i dont support what they believe in
can you show me where these protests have ever been peace full eli ?
i see this hear in australia where christians come to these protests and its the police who are putting their own lives in danger i saw in sydney where police officers and security guards had beer bottles thrown at them i also saw where the public would spit at the police officers and the guards i even see where the dogs the police use and the security guards use end up getting things thrown at them
part of my job as a security guard eli is also to prottect clinicks like abortion clinicks i wil be working for a new company when i get back from the philippines in jan 2009 and the company i wil be working for has guards patroling goverment buildings medical centers embacys and i know sevral guards who stand out side abortion clinicks is it fair eli that my self and police officers and other security guards have to put our own lives in danger when it comes to these protests ?
i noticed you did not pay close attention to what i shared we lost a child in 1998 and every time comming close to the day we lost our child we get together eli having to burry your own child has its affect not just on the parents but on the family it was not easy having to explain to our son who was only 3 what happend to mum and why mum was rushed to hospital our son even though he was only 3yrs old senced that something was going on i had to cover his ears as i was asked to weight out side the hospital i took my wife to made her weight until 9am the following day we arrived at midnight eli the staff was very rude to my first wife the nurse that checked her out put her down and said its your fault that the child died not one dr came to the room when she finaly was put into a room i had to comfort my first wife and keep our son calm he was getting wrestless i called one of our friends from church i did not want to it was 1am we were in the weighting room i had to say sorry but can you come and grab our son and look after him i told my spiritual mentors what happend they said its ok the husband ended up comming back and stayed with me and my first wife then our pastor turned up at 6am and stayed with us
my first wife had a dead child in her womb she was wanting the child that passed away taken out of her the staff were not responding the nurses were though giving us the evil eye i am not stupid eli was it fair that my first wife was treated like a dog and told by a pro life supporter to her face it was her fault we did not want the child in her womb to die we did everything our dr told us to do due to my first wife having sevral miscariges ethan is off god eli he pulled through we had no problems but my first wife had sevral miscariges
i was angry i wanted to thump the nurse that told my first wife it was her fault i found out she was a pro life supporter
so why should i tape my mouth and stand at picket lines eli and do what normal christians do ?
i am all for saving a life but if a choice has to be made and a mother loses her life i support the proffesional drs who make the choice to end the childs life is it fair on the father and his wifes family where the father has to make a phone call saying to her parents your daughter has died but the child survived
i have talked to guys who have not recovered what i leav i dont make this up eli or do i read on line i have talked to real people
yes the bible is what it is but when an unstable christian twists gods word i wil not listen or wil i budge
should i as a brother also have a right to stand on the choice i have made with out having pro life supporters comming down on me trying to get me to come around and see it from their way ?
also when it comes to picketing with non believers who support the pro life movement do you ever stop to think what harm this does to a new christian like the spirit in the non believer attaching its self to you ?
you have two camps believers and non believer the non believer never really protest peace fulley eli i have even seen born again christians loose it eli
when a non beliver gets together with born again christians things never pan out to the way you wanted it to pan out
good that the women you shared talked to you but put your self in the womens shoes who is about to enter a abortion clinick where ther are non believers only protesting think for one moment what would be going threw her head
this is why i said we have security guards in australia know patroling abortion clinicks i would rather a women go to a proffesional then going to some one who has a back yard abortion clinick set up in his garage or spare bed room
i wil never budge or wil i support any views a christian has or wil i protest with pro life supporters
i pray also from my side of the world i pray for commensence more than having the mother listen what a pro life supporter has to say
voice set up a topic in this forum to where sevral members started attacking voice that is why i said was it fair to come down on another brother because they see things a little diffrent ?
no where do i see in the new testament where jesus got involved in the politics of the roman empire or do i see where jesus supported what the pharisees and sadducees and the cheif priests and the scribes believed in
i see where he confronted them but thats it eli
i have been reading this bible since i was 18yrs old i am nearly 41yrs old i turn 41 on the 16th of nov
i am old school eli when this computer was given to me i dont put in punctuations or full stops this is just how i am eli i am unlearned i strugled in school i found it hard to focus and i was in the lower classes i never got A like my sister got A Eli so when i respond i just say the way i think members would be able to understand me
this is why i do not put punctuations and full stops when i leave a post eli in this forum
you are with in your rights to believe what you have left me Eli and i respect you for this i just ask for the same respect as i am showing i am not trying to win any one over i am my own man you are your own man
though as i said i dont like it where some one is trying to force you to listen to where you cave in and say ok i wil listen to you i am wrong forgive me this is not who i am eli i respect peopel i care for people
when i was in the philippines early in jan 2008 god broke me i shared this to my best man who is comming with me and i know he is also going to go through what i went through eli
i am me and i wil not alow no one to force me to take on what they believe in
i have looked at what you left but thats as far as i have gone
you will never see me protesting at a picket line
as i said i pray as well i have a good group of guys i pray with
this year hill song is holding a confrence for mothes and fathers who have lost kids for women who have had abortions if i had the money i would have went to the confrence i loged on to there web site and i like what is going to be pressented its a confrence that wil set people who have lost a child or a young women and older women who decided to have an abortion free from the guilt that they have been holding on to the confrence is not set up to condem its set up to let people like my self and my first wife encounter god to where you are healed
this is all i am going to say eli
and this wil be my last post in tsth topic i wil not come back to this post once i leave what i want to say
Damo
sorry but i wil not budge or will i leave scripture to back my views i notice when it comes to this forum members hide behind the scriptures they have gotten to know so well to the point if they want to be rude and say nothing they leave you what i call their trump card
as i said i dont let no one force their views on to me or do i support pro life supporters who go out of their way to cause trouble
that is why i wil not leave scripture to prove my point i noticed when i do leave scripture to prove my point some one else says no hear is what you are leaving really has to say
as i said show me in the newtestament where jesus protested ? al i see is where the pharisees and sadducees and the chief priests and the scribes questioned or drilled jesus
and another thing if any one has anything to say say it direct to me i noticed i am ives gave you Eli the thumbs up saying good post in the near futer direct what you want to say with out saying good job i know i am ives and sevral have been reading what i have left in tsth post as i said i have printed off what tsth has left hear and i have shown this to the god fearing women i know its up to them if they come to this forum and confront tsth
i am not being rude to you Eli i know you dont do this when responding to members but ther are members hear who have been rude to other memebers when some one does not support what they believe in you are seen as a weak christian
i noticed no one payed attention to what i had to say as a human being all i am seeing is people wanting me to let go off the way i think to where i am supporting what you believe in this will never happen i am my own man and come judgment day i wil let the lord deal with me i wil not let an unstable member tell me i am a weak christian because i dont support what they believe in
can you show me where these protests have ever been peace full eli ?
i see this hear in australia where christians come to these protests and its the police who are putting their own lives in danger i saw in sydney where police officers and security guards had beer bottles thrown at them i also saw where the public would spit at the police officers and the guards i even see where the dogs the police use and the security guards use end up getting things thrown at them
part of my job as a security guard eli is also to prottect clinicks like abortion clinicks i wil be working for a new company when i get back from the philippines in jan 2009 and the company i wil be working for has guards patroling goverment buildings medical centers embacys and i know sevral guards who stand out side abortion clinicks is it fair eli that my self and police officers and other security guards have to put our own lives in danger when it comes to these protests ?
i noticed you did not pay close attention to what i shared we lost a child in 1998 and every time comming close to the day we lost our child we get together eli having to burry your own child has its affect not just on the parents but on the family it was not easy having to explain to our son who was only 3 what happend to mum and why mum was rushed to hospital our son even though he was only 3yrs old senced that something was going on i had to cover his ears as i was asked to weight out side the hospital i took my wife to made her weight until 9am the following day we arrived at midnight eli the staff was very rude to my first wife the nurse that checked her out put her down and said its your fault that the child died not one dr came to the room when she finaly was put into a room i had to comfort my first wife and keep our son calm he was getting wrestless i called one of our friends from church i did not want to it was 1am we were in the weighting room i had to say sorry but can you come and grab our son and look after him i told my spiritual mentors what happend they said its ok the husband ended up comming back and stayed with me and my first wife then our pastor turned up at 6am and stayed with us
my first wife had a dead child in her womb she was wanting the child that passed away taken out of her the staff were not responding the nurses were though giving us the evil eye i am not stupid eli was it fair that my first wife was treated like a dog and told by a pro life supporter to her face it was her fault we did not want the child in her womb to die we did everything our dr told us to do due to my first wife having sevral miscariges ethan is off god eli he pulled through we had no problems but my first wife had sevral miscariges
i was angry i wanted to thump the nurse that told my first wife it was her fault i found out she was a pro life supporter
so why should i tape my mouth and stand at picket lines eli and do what normal christians do ?
i am all for saving a life but if a choice has to be made and a mother loses her life i support the proffesional drs who make the choice to end the childs life is it fair on the father and his wifes family where the father has to make a phone call saying to her parents your daughter has died but the child survived
i have talked to guys who have not recovered what i leav i dont make this up eli or do i read on line i have talked to real people
yes the bible is what it is but when an unstable christian twists gods word i wil not listen or wil i budge
should i as a brother also have a right to stand on the choice i have made with out having pro life supporters comming down on me trying to get me to come around and see it from their way ?
also when it comes to picketing with non believers who support the pro life movement do you ever stop to think what harm this does to a new christian like the spirit in the non believer attaching its self to you ?
you have two camps believers and non believer the non believer never really protest peace fulley eli i have even seen born again christians loose it eli
when a non beliver gets together with born again christians things never pan out to the way you wanted it to pan out
good that the women you shared talked to you but put your self in the womens shoes who is about to enter a abortion clinick where ther are non believers only protesting think for one moment what would be going threw her head
this is why i said we have security guards in australia know patroling abortion clinicks i would rather a women go to a proffesional then going to some one who has a back yard abortion clinick set up in his garage or spare bed room
i wil never budge or wil i support any views a christian has or wil i protest with pro life supporters
i pray also from my side of the world i pray for commensence more than having the mother listen what a pro life supporter has to say
voice set up a topic in this forum to where sevral members started attacking voice that is why i said was it fair to come down on another brother because they see things a little diffrent ?
no where do i see in the new testament where jesus got involved in the politics of the roman empire or do i see where jesus supported what the pharisees and sadducees and the cheif priests and the scribes believed in
i see where he confronted them but thats it eli
i have been reading this bible since i was 18yrs old i am nearly 41yrs old i turn 41 on the 16th of nov
i am old school eli when this computer was given to me i dont put in punctuations or full stops this is just how i am eli i am unlearned i strugled in school i found it hard to focus and i was in the lower classes i never got A like my sister got A Eli so when i respond i just say the way i think members would be able to understand me
this is why i do not put punctuations and full stops when i leave a post eli in this forum
you are with in your rights to believe what you have left me Eli and i respect you for this i just ask for the same respect as i am showing i am not trying to win any one over i am my own man you are your own man
though as i said i dont like it where some one is trying to force you to listen to where you cave in and say ok i wil listen to you i am wrong forgive me this is not who i am eli i respect peopel i care for people
when i was in the philippines early in jan 2008 god broke me i shared this to my best man who is comming with me and i know he is also going to go through what i went through eli
i am me and i wil not alow no one to force me to take on what they believe in
i have looked at what you left but thats as far as i have gone
you will never see me protesting at a picket line
as i said i pray as well i have a good group of guys i pray with
this year hill song is holding a confrence for mothes and fathers who have lost kids for women who have had abortions if i had the money i would have went to the confrence i loged on to there web site and i like what is going to be pressented its a confrence that wil set people who have lost a child or a young women and older women who decided to have an abortion free from the guilt that they have been holding on to the confrence is not set up to condem its set up to let people like my self and my first wife encounter god to where you are healed
this is all i am going to say eli
and this wil be my last post in tsth topic i wil not come back to this post once i leave what i want to say
Damo
Damo. I have not participated in any protests, ever. That is a personal decision on how to stand up for life. It is not the only option. These type of protests are virtually nonexistant in America anymore.
I have participated in a prayer seige at an abortion clinic. It had absolutely no altercations. No one even spoke the whole time. It last forty days. That is a "peaceful" demonstration- of the power of answered prayer! Within 2 months after the prayer seige, the clinic was closed down! What do you make of that?
Also, I do not support the idea of purposefully demeaning women who are going to an abortion clinic either. I have participated in a "prayer seige"at a local abortion clinic. We stood outside on the sidewalk in front of the clinic for 40 days and fasted and prayed each and every day. We had red tape over our mouths with the word "LIFE" written on it. This prevented any conversation or sound at all. This reason for the tape was to prophetically speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, the unborn. The word LIFE represents the life of the unborn. The tape also shows others that we were not there to say anything to any human, but to the God who hears the crys of the blood of the unborn and who hears the crys of his people when they pray. A few women pulled some of us aside and talked to us before they went in to have their abortion. We took off the tape and shared all the true information with them about what they were actually about to do. We also shared the gospel with them, cried with them, and counseled them. We heard some horrendous stories of injustice and evil from these women. Other people were forcing one girl to have an abortion. Three women chose life after talking with us. They also either got saved or drew closer to God thru this experience. 2 months after the siege ended, the Abortion doctor was summoned to court because of numerous health code violations. The clinic shut down for over a year. God heard our prayers. The battle continues every day in America.
Check out the info at this website if you have any qualms in your conscience at all. This is the movement that I was participating in the prayer seige with. They have been very active all over our nation for years now. THere is a pro-life prayer movement, mostly among the young here in the USA. They are praying 24/7 in Washington DC, right down the street from the White House. They pray in front of the US Supreme Court as well as in front of abortion clinics and other court houses. There are a number of supernatural success stories that they have accumulated over the last few years. http://bound4life.com/
I have participated in a prayer seige at an abortion clinic. It had absolutely no altercations. No one even spoke the whole time. It last forty days. That is a "peaceful" demonstration- of the power of answered prayer! Within 2 months after the prayer seige, the clinic was closed down! What do you make of that?
Also, I do not support the idea of purposefully demeaning women who are going to an abortion clinic either. I have participated in a "prayer seige"at a local abortion clinic. We stood outside on the sidewalk in front of the clinic for 40 days and fasted and prayed each and every day. We had red tape over our mouths with the word "LIFE" written on it. This prevented any conversation or sound at all. This reason for the tape was to prophetically speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, the unborn. The word LIFE represents the life of the unborn. The tape also shows others that we were not there to say anything to any human, but to the God who hears the crys of the blood of the unborn and who hears the crys of his people when they pray. A few women pulled some of us aside and talked to us before they went in to have their abortion. We took off the tape and shared all the true information with them about what they were actually about to do. We also shared the gospel with them, cried with them, and counseled them. We heard some horrendous stories of injustice and evil from these women. Other people were forcing one girl to have an abortion. Three women chose life after talking with us. They also either got saved or drew closer to God thru this experience. 2 months after the siege ended, the Abortion doctor was summoned to court because of numerous health code violations. The clinic shut down for over a year. God heard our prayers. The battle continues every day in America.
Check out the info at this website if you have any qualms in your conscience at all. This is the movement that I was participating in the prayer seige with. They have been very active all over our nation for years now. THere is a pro-life prayer movement, mostly among the young here in the USA. They are praying 24/7 in Washington DC, right down the street from the White House. They pray in front of the US Supreme Court as well as in front of abortion clinics and other court houses. There are a number of supernatural success stories that they have accumulated over the last few years. http://bound4life.com/
QUOTE (tsth @ Oct 26 2008, 04:41 PM)
Psalms 106
35 But they mingled with the Gentiles And learned their works; 36 They served their idols, Which became a snare to them. 37 They even sacrificed their sons And their daughters to demons, 38 And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with blood. 39 Thus they were defiled by their own works, And played the harlot by their own deeds. 40 Therefore the wrath of the Lord was kindled against His people, So that He abhorred His own inheritance.
And yet, many refuse to acknowledge that we are doing the very same things, as a people.
In His Truth,
Suzanne
35 But they mingled with the Gentiles And learned their works; 36 They served their idols, Which became a snare to them. 37 They even sacrificed their sons And their daughters to demons, 38 And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with blood. 39 Thus they were defiled by their own works, And played the harlot by their own deeds. 40 Therefore the wrath of the Lord was kindled against His people, So that He abhorred His own inheritance.
And yet, many refuse to acknowledge that we are doing the very same things, as a people.
In His Truth,
Suzanne
What makes us any different than the above? If God clearly states in His Word that this practice was wrong, then why do we continue to do it?
In His Truth,
Suzanne
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