Thanks Tina.

Another prophecy we see in the OT and the NT is Michael -- which shows a hierarchy in Heaven... (all the verses in black are the ones of Tina, and the blue is my understanding of the thread) ----Elijah here: This was a topic from another site. There was not much discussion on it. And I wondering if there are any ones here that are interested? Surely the Godhead has a hierarchy ruling the body of Their creation. Even over the others worlds that is twice repeated in the book of Hebrews. They are a Godhead of perfect order and with NO confusion. I believe that there is much evidence as to who Michael is though. So will just jump in between your good supplied verses of 'Infallible Scripture' and reply as to how 'i' see it.----

Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. ---OK: Who is the Michael one of the chief princes who came to help the earthly 'me' (Gabriel..Dan. 8:16, Dan. 9:21, Luke 1:9, Luke 1:26) person? I believe that it is the Michael of the Godhead who in the N.T. who later became the Son of God. Perhaps Gabriel replaced the fallen Lucifer. Regardless, I think that it was Christ Michael who came to help Gabriel. But lets just continue on with your verses.---
Daniel 10:21
But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince. ----I added a little high/light! POWER is being Supplied ONLY THROUGH Christ here! 'I can DO ALL THINGS THROUGH CHRIST THAT STRENGTHENETH me.' And whose Grace gives all of His creation this Strength?? (Power or GRACE?) Paul through another Hierarchy Ruling Body (the Holy Spirit) in both verses that are Inspired to tell us.. 'For this thing I besought the LORD thrice, that it might depart from me. And HE said unto me, MY GRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR THEE; for MY STRENGTH IS MADE PERFECT IN WEAKNESS.'
That is clear. Michael it was said was the only one that came to the earthly rescue of Gabriel. Something like the above.. only one mentioned of Phil. 4:13's documented Truth, & 2 Cor. 12:8-9 Godhead's Inspiration. ----
Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. ***I find this once gain being even more clearly taught! It is the study of the Old Testament Sanctuary that found the Vail of the Temple rent from top to bottom by an unseen hand at Christ (Michael's) death. And the way was made into the Most Holy Place where Christ is our High Priest. Heb. 8:1 & Heb. 12:2 'documents' that Christ is in heaving today.. 'Who is SET ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THRONE OF THE MAJESTY in the heavens.' (as our High Priest, who only can give us His Grace & Power. And the Dan. 12 verse Documents it as being TWICE STATED!So in your verse of Dan. 12:1?? When Christ has finished His Work and stands up, ALL PROBATION IS OVER!ALL is Finished as far as the Record BOOKS are seen & recorded. The same verse that you have above states.. '.. and at that time: THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, EVERY ONE THAT SHALL BE FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.' In simple words, hevenly. 12:13-14 will find one saved or lost at this time. Their JUDGEMENT is over when Christ comes, for He brings His REWARD with Him. Rev. 22:12 'And behold, I come quickly, [AND MY REWARD IS WITH ME] to give every man according [AS HIS WORK SHALL BE].' (read on the next couple verses)***(contrast what is written in the OT with Revelation and the book of life).

Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. ***OK: Here we see the 'Michael' one in charge over the creation of.. HIS VERY OWN, that He created with the THREE ALL IN UNITY. Col. 1:16-19 (Read this for reminders forum) OK: We know that ONLY God has Immortality. 2 Tim. 6:14-16 & see Heb. 13:8!! So NO ANGEL could raise the DEAD Moses to life, but the Christ of Immortality. (and He did so as was seen in the case of Nazareth as well) And He was talking for Himself when He stated THE LORD rebuke thee!***

Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, ***The war against Christ has always been Christ & satan. That is the Great them of the Controversy. satan was a loose cannon that [rebelled against the Eternal Law of the Godhead], (Heb. 13:20) No order, No law, just follow me satan claims. Daniel 7:25! Look around the forum's with the go it alone postings. See Eph. 6:12.***
The identity of Michael while unknown fully...we see this name appear in prophecy between the OT and NT...

Any thoughts on this? ***So 'i' have given my opinion! But there is much more about the O.T. Christ. Let's get Paul's Inspired Words on this.In 1 Cor. 10:1-4 we read 'Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant how that all our fathers were under the cloud and all passed through the sea; A were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And [did eat the same spiritual meat;] and did [all drink the same spiritual drink;] for they [drank that spiritual rock that followed them; AND THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.]' MEAT, Bread, Manna, Matt. 4:4?? Lets see some more on this! This Michael Christ was that Rock that we are not to be ignorant about as 'i' see it! The Word of God states very clearly in Psalm 78:24-25 'And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them the corn of heaven. Mad DID EAT ANGELS FOOD:..' So we see for angels that eat manna, we need the next verses for some more truth. Yet don't forget that Paul was Inspired to tell us who this 'THOU' individual was.. And That ROCK WAS CHRIST!! Over in Neh. 9:6 and then ibid. 11-15 we see this Christ Michael was NO angel, for HE IS TO BE WORSHIPED!'Thou, even Thou, art Lord Alone; Thou HAST MADE THE HEAVENS, the HEAVEN OF HEAVENS, [WITH ALL THEIR HOST, the Earth, and ALL THINGS THAT AR THEREIN, the seas, and all that IS THEREIN, and [THOU PERSEVEST THEM ALL]; and [THE HOST OF HEAVEN WORSHIPPETH THEE].' verse 6 'Moreover [thou] leddest them in the day by a cloud pillar; and in the night by a pillar of fire, to give them light in the way that they should go. Thou camest down also [upon mount Sinai, and speaketh with them from heaven, and gaveth them right judgments, and true laws, and statutes and commandments: And [madest know unto them [THY HOLY SABBATH], (and all we hear today is SHIPWRECK ON THIS ONE!!) and commandest them precepts, statutes, and laws, [BY THE HAND OF MOSES].' So in bottom/line, 'i' am convinced that Christ is Michael and that was the name that He was known by before He came to earth to become the Son.. God/man. And HE IS and Ever will be the Commander & Chief over ALL OF HIS CREATION!

Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Jesus is not "one of many" or even "one of a few." He is the only begotten Son of God and has always been part of the Godhead.

Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

(No, he isn't talking of himself either. In which case, Michael would have said, "I rebuke you, Satan," since this is used as an example of how we should similarly react to Satan.)

Pretty plain who the archangel Michael is, for Christ is his Lord.

This speculation tying Christ and Michael together as one needs to end now.

In Christ,

Mike

Wouldn't Jesus be the only begotten son of God, as in, the only one born of God in the flesh?

It says there are a lot of sons of God, which, were angels.


Job 2:1 Again it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan came also among them to present himself before Jehovah.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

If Michael is God, i.e. Jesus, as you say, he can bring whatever railing accusation he cares to bring against Satan, can he not? Therefore, the Michael in this passage is merely an angel, not Jesus Christ, a.k.a. God.

If you read what I said as a "threat," then that is yet another false assumption like all the others you've made regarding the archangel Michael and Jesus Christ the "only begotten Son of God," as scripture says.

Galatians 2:11
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

I'm done here.

In Christ,

Mike

He was conceived by the Holy Spirit through Mary, his chosen servant to bring him forth in the flesh. He alone is the one that was conceived/born this way.

Yes: John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

I've read enough of your posts to propose that you understand these things.

Why do you ask this?

In Christ,

Mike

No argument, lol. Just participating in the discussion.

I think that our spirits were put into bodies.

Heb 2:14 Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner partook of the same; that through death he might bring to nought him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

If a person's spirit wasn't born of God, they can't hear his voice.

Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth the words of God: for this cause ye hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Which would mean, that our spirits were born of God even before we heard Him call us. And, there are some that didn't come from God, like he said.

But, I read this verse like this:

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Jesus wasn't his only son, just, the only one begotten in the flesh.

Argumentative...yeah, sorry about that. I didn't edit that fast enough to put it in a more brotherly fashion.

Anyway, I see what you're saying.

My attitude toward the thread's topic is one of "hey, watch how you're talking about my Lord, Jesus Christ!"

Jude clearly states "Michael the archangel." I don't even see room there to say this Michael and Jesus are one in the same. Jesus is not and has never been an archangel.

In Christ,

Mike

No problem. I can be in the kitchen! Lol.

I don't know that Michael would be Jesus either, as some suppose. Never looked into it, lol.

Sons of God to me are, angels, one and the same, just, different names. I think that's what we're all becoming.

Or not, whichever!

Peace!

Hay, I thought that this might help the 'blind' see? And to think that one of these two, used to be homeless & lived under a bridge! --Elijah
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Who is Michael the Archangel? by Doug Batchelor and David Boatwright

An Amazing Fact: When King Humbert of Italy came to the throne, Naples was on the verge of insurrection against the monarchy. Politicians were urging violent measures to force the stubborn city into submission, but King Humbert would not allow this. Then there was a sudden outbreak of cholera and the dreaded disease raged with deadly fury in the city of Naples. Ignoring the warnings of his advisors, the young king, moved with devotion and love for even his disloyal subjects, left the palace and went alone through the crowded hospitals of Naples, ministering to his subjects with his own royal hand. Many suffering people breathed prayers of gratitude to this young medical servant, not knowing it was the very king they had spurned.

When the plague was finally checked, many people learned the true identity of the noble nurse who had cared for them during the deadly crisis. Naples then became a conquered city-conquered by the love and pity of the monarch it had once refused. From then on, the people of Naples became Humbert's most loyal subjects.

The Michael Enigma

Questions frequently arise in Christian circles about the true identity of the biblical Michael, sometimes called "Michael the great Prince" or "Michael the archangel." Some claim that Michael is the highest of the heavenly angels, one of the covering cherubs, or a special messenger like Gabriel, and as such is a created being. Others, such as the Bible commentator Matthew Henry, assert that Michael is simply another name for Jesus Himself. Can we know the real identity of this mysterious individual? The key to this puzzling question is found in the Scriptures.

A quick look in a Bible concordance reveals that there are 15 references to the name Michael. The first 10 of them are found in Old Testament chronologies and obviously refer to real people named Michael. In fact, the entry for "Michael" in the lexicon (a Greek and/or Hebrew dictionary) states: "The name of an archangel and nine Israelites." It is the identity of Michael, the archangel and prince, mentioned in the last five references that we are seeking.

The first three of these references are in the apocalyptic Old Testament book of Daniel. The last two are in the New Testament books of Jude and Revelation. During an honest study and comparison of these verses and others, clues emerge that lead us to an inescapable conclusion that the identity of Michael is none other than Jesus, God the Son, and that He is not a created angel, but God's eternal Son!

At first glance it appears that the Old Testament portrays Michael as a prince and the New Testament as an angel. But by looking at other related scriptures where similar language and wording are used, we will see a different pattern emerge.

It's in the Name

First, let's consider the meaning of some words and names. In the Greek New Testament, as compared to the Old Testament, the word "angel" means "messenger," and "arch" means "chief, principle, greatest, or highest." So "archangel" simply means "highest or greatest messenger." The Hebrew name "Michael" means "who is like God" or "Who is like God?" Whether this name is a question, statement, or a challenge will be clear by further study. One angel did profess to be like God. That fallen being is Lucifer, the covering cherub in the heavenly courts who became the devil, Satan, by claiming to "be like the most High" (Isaiah 14:14). In Revelation 12:7 Satan is opposed by "Michael and his angels" and is cast out of heaven.

It is not implausible to assume that if Christ came to earth and became a man in His battle against Satan to save human beings, He might also have identified with the angels to protect them from Satan's evil influence in heaven. In fact, there are several references in Scripture to a mysterious being identified as "the angel of the Lord" before Christ's earthly incarnation. Yet each time He is mentioned there are clues to His identity. Let's review them briefly.

Hagar

After Hagar bore Ishmael to Abraham, she and the barren Sarah could no longer coexist peacefully. Sarah mistreated her now haughty handmaid until Hagar fled into the desert. "And the angel of the Lord found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness" (Genesis 16:7). The angel told Hagar to go back and submit to Sarah, and promised that her son, Ishmael, would be the father of a great nation. When the "angel" disappeared, Hagar, "called the name of the Lord that spake unto her, Thou God seest me" (verse 13). It appears Hagar recognized that the "angel" who had spoken to her was really God.

Abraham

God told Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac, on mount Moriah. Just as he was about to plunge the dagger into his son of promise, the angel of the Lord stopped him. "And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me" (Genesis 22:11, 12).

It is clear that Abraham was offering his son to God and not to a mere angel. "And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee, …… because thou hast obeyed my voice" (Genesis 22:15-18). In recounting this experience of Abraham in Acts 3:25, Peter also identifies this "angel of the Lord" as God.

Jacob

While fleeing from his angry brother Esau, Jacob had a dream in which God confirmed the covenant of Abraham to him. After receiving assurance that God would be with him and bring him back safely to his home in Canaan, Jacob vowed to return to God a tithe of all his increase. He set up the stone he had been using for a pillow and anointed it with oil to solemnize his vow. Then he named the place Beth-el, or house of God, since God had appeared to him there.

Twenty years later Jacob was on his way back home, not a penniless fugitive, but a wealthy man. God reminded Jacob who had really brought him success. Here's how Jacob recounted the story: "And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I" (Genesis 31:11). In verse 13 this "angel of God" identifies Himself: "I am the God of Beth-el, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me."

Then, when Jacob wrestled with a heavenly being (Genesis 32:22-32), he was given a new name and blessed. Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, "For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved" (verse 30). In the New Testament, Jesus is the one who blesses His people and gives them a new name (Matthew 5:3-12; Revelation 2:17). Clearly, the angel of the Lord is Jesus Himself.

When Jacob was on his death bed blessing Joseph's two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, he used the terms "angel" and "God" interchangeably. "God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day, The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads" (Genesis 48:15, 16). Once again we see that the angel who redeemed Jacob is another name for our Redeemer, Jesus!

Moses

Moses saw a burning bush that was not consumed. "And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush" (Exodus 3:2). Verse four identifies this angel: "God called unto him out of the midst of the bush." And in verse six He identifies Himself. "I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." The angel of the Lord identifies Himself as God!

In his last sermon before he was stoned to death, Stephen agrees with the Exodus account. "And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him, Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob" (Acts 7:30-32).

In another instance, the children of Israel were led through the wilderness by God, "And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night" (Exodus 13:21). Moses describes it this way: "And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them" (Exodus 14:19). Again, "the angel of God" is identified as God.

Balaam

In the story of Balaam and his talking donkey, the angel of the Lord again figures prominently. It is this angel who nearly kills the covetous prophet, who is on his way to curse God's people, and saves the donkey from her merciless master (Numbers 22:21-35). After Balaam's close brush with death, "the angel of the Lord said unto Balaam, Go with the men: but only the word that I shall speak unto thee, that thou shall speak" (verse 35). The next chapter reveals who put the words in the prophet's mouth: "And God met Balaam: …… And the Lord put a word in Balaam's mouth, and said, Return unto Balak, and thus shalt thou speak" (Numbers 23:4, 5). Here again, "the angel of the Lord" turns out to be God Himself.

Gideon

Gideon had an encounter with the angel of the Lord in the book of Judges. The angel told Gideon that the Lord was with him. Gideon pointed to the oppression of Israel by the Midianites as evidence to the contrary. "And the Lord looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites: have not I sent thee?" (Judges 6:14). Throughout the rest of the narrative, the person speaking to Gideon is identified interchangeably as the Lord, the angel of the Lord, and the angel of God.

Manoah

Samson's mother, the wife of Manoah, was barren. "And the angel of the Lord appeared unto the woman" (Judges 13:3). This angel told her she would bear a son who would deliver the apostate Israelites from their heathen oppressors. She quickly called Manoah, who prayed for another visit from the "man of God." When the angel came the second time, Manoah asked him his name. The King James Version of the Bible says that the angel told Manoah that his name was "Secret," with a margin notation that translates it as "Wonderful." This immediately makes us think of Isaiah's familiar prophecy that the name of the coming Messiah would be "Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6). The name "Wonderful" for the angel of the Lord who appeared to Manoah connects this "angel" with the coming Messiah who was to be called "Wonderful."

No One Has Seen the Father

Suddenly we have more leads than we can follow at once. The "angel of the Lord" is clearly shown to be God. But the Bible states, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him" (John 1:18). John 6:46 tells us, "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father." Obviously, since no man has seen God the Father, all of these Old Testament sightings of God as the "angel of the Lord" must have been Jesus, God the Son, veiling His glory so they could endure His presence without being consumed.

Rebuking the Accuser

There is one more important reference where the angel of the Lord appears in the Old Testament. The prophet Zechariah was given a vision of Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord. Satan is standing at his right hand to resist him. Here we see two adversaries contending over a sinful human being. In this case the sin is represented by Joshua's filthy garments (Zechariah 3:3).

In this narrative the name changes quickly from "the angel of the Lord" (verse 1) to "the Lord" (verse 2), indicating again that they are one and the same. Then the Lord makes an interesting statement. "And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan" (Zechariah 3:2) There is only one other place in Scripture, Jude verse nine, where this sentence is found, and it is spoken by Michael the archangel!

In the small New Testament epistle of Jude we see a vignette similar to Joshua and the angel in the book of Zechariah. "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee" (Jude 1:9). The situations are amazingly parallel. Christ and Satan are contending over a sinner. A live one in the case of Joshua, and a dead one in the case of Moses. The debate is ended abruptly when Jesus says, "The Lord rebuke thee." Jesus also rebuked the devil when He was tempted in the wilderness. "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan" (Luke 4:8).

Michael the Prince

Isaiah's prophecy about the Messiah (Isaiah 9:6) reveals a key word that bears investigating. One of the names he says that would apply to the Messiah is "Prince of Peace." This immediately reminds us of the three verses in Daniel in which Michael is called a "prince."

There is another verse in Daniel where the "Prince of princes" is mentioned. Again the cosmic conflict is being played out with Christ on one side and the devil on the other, with humanity serving as the battlefield. Symbolic names identify the two arch foes. Both struggle to gain control, Satan against our will and Christ only with our willingness.

"Prince of princes" is actually the same term that is translated "prince of the host" in verse 11. This is similar to "Lord of lords" (Psalm 136:3), "God of gods" (Deuteronomy 10:17), and "King of kings" (Revelation 19:16). All these are titles of deity. He is even referred to as "Messiah the Prince" (Daniel 9:25).

One, or First?
Daniel 10:13 is probably the most difficult verse regarding Michael: "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me." It appears at first glance that Michael is only "one of" the chief princes. This is an unfortunate translation in the King James Version. The word "one" comes from the Hebrew word "echad" which also means "first," as in "first day" (Genesis 1:5). This changes the whole meaning of the verse to Michael being first of, or highest of, the chief princes. Again, a reference to Jesus.

The Voice of Michael
If we take the term "Michael the archangel" and examine the word "archangel," we see another interesting match. The only other passage in the Bible that uses the word "archangel" is 1 Thessalonians 4:16. But look at its context. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first." It is the voice of the archangel that raises the dead in Christ, and the Lord Himself who shouts it. This indicates that they are one and the same. Jesus is the one who shouts with the voice of the archangel, or "greatest Messenger," to raise the dead!

Obviously, angels don't have the power to resurrect the dead. Only God who gives life has the power to restore it. "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself. …… Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth" (John 5:26, 28, 29).

In Jude we see the archangel contending with the devil for the body of Moses, who, incidentally, was resurrected and taken to heaven from whence he appeared on the mount of transfiguration to encourage Christ (Mark 9). In 1 Thessalonians, the apostle Paul describes the resurrection as happening in response to the voice of the archangel. Again we see the parallel between these two verses; both describe the archangel in the act of resurrecting.

When Michael stands up in Daniel chapter 12, there also follows a resurrection, and he is described as the one who, "standeth for the children of thy people" (verse 1). Commenting on this verse, Matthew Henry states: "Michael signifies, 'Who is like God,' and his name, with the title of 'the great Prince,' points out the Divine Savior. Christ stood for the children of our people in their stead as a sacrifice, bore the curse for them, to bear it from them. He stands for them in pleading for them at the throne of grace." Jesus is clearly the one who always stands in our place and for our defense.

Worshiping the Commander
In Revelation, Michael is portrayed as leading the heavenly hosts, or armies, in the war against the rebellious Lucifer that took place there. "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels" (Revelation 12:7). Here the term "dragon" is a symbolic name for Satan, the leader of evil (verse 9), so it is very safe to assume that Michael is another name for Jesus, the embodiment and leader of good. But there is more evidence.

Just as Israel was preparing for its first battle after crossing into the Promised Land, Joshua had an encounter with an unusual warrior. "And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so" (Joshua 5:13-15).

Not only did Joshua worship this being, but the heavenly captain received his worship. If he had been a mere angel, he would have rebuked Joshua just like the angel rebuked John for trying to worship him (see Revelation 19:10; 22:8, 9).

In all the cases where the angel of the Lord accepts worship, it is clearly the Son of God. But where regular created angels are worshiped, they refuse it. Even Jesus reminded Satan in the wilderness, "For it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve" (Luke 4:8).

In fact, all the created angels are commanded to worship Jesus as they did during His first advent. "And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him" (Hebrews 1:6). The devil is infuriated because he knows that someday even he will be compelled to acknowledge Jesus as king and worship Him. "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10, 11).

The phrase "Lord of hosts" is found 245 times in the Bible and refers to the "commander of God's angelic army." So the "captain of the Lord's host" that Joshua saw was not an angel, but Jesus Himself. That explains why He demanded that Joshua remove his shoes. The place was holy because Jesus was there, just as Jesus' presence at the burning bush made that ground holy for Moses. So Michael, the captain of the Lord's host, or army, is another title for Jesus.

Who Is as God!
When Phillip asked Jesus to show the disciples the Father, Christ responded: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9).

Some think that God's Son waited 4,000 years to personally intervene in the affairs of man. Not so! Though it is true that the incarnation occurred 4,000 years after man's fall, God the Son has been personally involved in the history and affairs of His people.

What a wonderful truth that Jesus, God's eternal Son, has ever been actively occupied in watching over, providing for, and protecting His children! He spoke face to face with Abraham and Moses and wrestled with Jacob. He led the Israelites through the wilderness, providing food and water and victory against their enemies.

Remember that the title "Michael the archangel" means "The greatest messenger who is as God." It was Jesus, "the image of the invisible God" (Colossians 1:15), who brought the greatest message of hope, the gospel, to our perishing world! Amazing Facts

I noticed a few verses like that. It would make sense seeing that, sons of God are angels, and, Jesus was the only begotten son of God as in, the only one born in the flesh. Lol.


Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Zec 3:2 And the LORD said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?"

Fact is Jesus has many names throughout scriptures, Michael is possibly one of many.

I know Jesus overcame the works of Satan on earth and He did so as well in Heaven....

I had posted these thoughts up on another site, that 'i' believed that Christ God was also Michael God in heaven before He came to earth & then became God/man/Christ. And boy! you should have seen the personal fur (mine) fly! My person was seen as J.W., + much else!

So watch your step. !

--Elijah

How do you figure this? The Scripture is very explicet:
But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you."
(Jude 1:9)
Michael the archangel does not rebuke Satan in the 1st person. You are teaching heiacy by claiming Christ and Michael are one and the same. The book of Hebrews says that Christ is " superior to angels."

Agreed! All Jude & others were saying using that term, was that God/Christ/Michel, was OVER the created being that HE had created.

--Elijah

The book of Enoch which is referenced at least twice once by Peter and again by Jude the brother of james, says that Michael is not Christ. Here is the verses that the catholics left out of the bible because it interfered with their folly.

1. And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth.
2. And they said one to another: 'The earth made †without inhabitant cries the voice of their crying† up to the gates of heaven.
3 And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Bring our cause before the Most High.".'
4. And they said to the Lord of the ages: 'Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings, 〈and God of the ages〉, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages!
5. Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee.
6. Thou seest what Azâzêl hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn:
7. And Semjâzâ, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates.
8. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins.
9. And the women have borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness.
10. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are wrought on the earth.
11. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and
Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.'

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO YELL

Can you list with Scripture these many names of Jesus?

Hay young'in, I am an older dude, 76 Dec. 6, and I am not yelling. But it is hard for me to see the letters that I type at times! And yelling?? I am also hard of hearing. So I do even talk kind of loud at times also. But don't take any offense at that OK?

And I am a firm believer in emphasis of scripture! My bible looks like a lighted Christmas tree with majic markings. That too is for my benifit as well as others.
--Elijah

Michael means (who is like God).

but here are some others for your consideration.

Jesus Christ is... Advocate (1 John 2:1)
Jesus Christ is... Almighty (Rev. 1:8; Mt. 28:18)
Jesus Christ is... Alpha and Omega (Rev. 1:8; 22:13)
Jesus Christ is... Amen (Rev. 3:14)
Jesus Christ is... Apostle of our Profession (Heb. 3:1)
Jesus Christ is... Atoning Sacrifice for our Sins (1 John 2:2)
Jesus Christ is... Author of Life (Acts 3:15)
Jesus Christ is... Author and Perfecter of our Faith (Heb. 12:2)
Jesus Christ is... Author of Salvation (Heb. 2:10)
Jesus Christ is... Beginning and End (Rev. 22:13)
Jesus Christ is... Blessed and only Ruler (1 Tim. 6:15)
Jesus Christ is... .Bread of God (John 6:33)
Jesus Christ is... Bread of Life (John 6:35; 6:48)
Jesus Christ is... Bridegroom (Mt. 9:15)
Jesus Christ is... Capstone (Acts 4:11; 1 Pet. 2:7)
Jesus Christ is... Chief Cornerstone (Eph. 2:20)
Jesus Christ is... Chief Shepherd (1 Pet. 5:4)
Jesus Christ is... Christ (1 John 2:22)
Jesus Christ is... Creator (John 1:3)
Jesus Christ is... Deliverer (Rom. 11:26)
Jesus Christ is... Eternal Life (1 John 1:2; 5:20)
Jesus Christ is... Gate (John 10:9)
Jesus Christ is... Faithful and True (Rev. 19:11)
Jesus Christ is... Faithful Witness (Rev. 1:5)
Jesus Christ is... Faith and True Witness (Rev. 3:14)
Jesus Christ is... First and Last (Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13)
Jesus Christ is... Firstborn From the Dead (Rev. 1:5)
Jesus Christ is... Firstborn over all creation (Col. 1:15)
Jesus Christ is... Gate (John 10:9)
Jesus Christ is... God (John 1:1; 20:28; Heb. 1:8; Rom. 9:5)
Jesus Christ is... Good Shepherd (John 10:11,14)
Jesus Christ is... Great Shepherd (Heb. 13:20)
Jesus Christ is... Great High Priest (Heb. 4:14)
Jesus Christ is... Head of the Church (Eph. 1:22; 4:15; 5:23)
Jesus Christ is... Heir of all things (Heb. 1:2)
Jesus Christ is... High Priest (Heb. 2:17)
Jesus Christ is... Holy and True (Rev. 3:7)
Jesus Christ is... Holy One (Acts 3:14)
Jesus Christ is... Hope (1 Tim. 1:1)
Jesus Christ is... Hope of Glory (Col. 1:27)
Jesus Christ is... Horn of Salvation (Luke 1:69)
Jesus Christ is... I Am (John 8:58)
Jesus Christ is... Image of God (2 Cor. 4:4)
Jesus Christ is... Immanuel (Mt. 1:23)
Jesus Christ is... Judge of the living and the dead (Acts 10:42)
Jesus Christ is... King Eternal (1 Tim. 1:17)
Jesus Christ is... King of Israel (John 1:49)
Jesus Christ is... King of the Jews (Mt. 27:11)
Jesus Christ is... King of kings (1 Tim 6:15; Rev. 19:16)
Jesus Christ is... King of the Ages (Rev. 15:3)
Jesus Christ is... Lamb (Rev. 13:8)
Jesus Christ is... Lamb of God (John 1:29)
Jesus Christ is... Lamb Without Blemish (1 Pet. 1:19)
Jesus Christ is... Last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45)
Jesus Christ is... Life (John 14:6; Col. 3:4)
Jesus Christ is... Light of the World (John 8:12)
Jesus Christ is... Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Rev. 5:5)
Jesus Christ is... Living One (Rev. 1:18)
Jesus Christ is... Living Stone (1 Pet. 2:4)
Jesus Christ is... Lord (2 Pet. 2:20)
Jesus Christ is... Lord of All (Acts 10:36)
Jesus Christ is... Lord of Glory (1 Cor. 2:8)
Jesus Christ is... Lord of lords (Rev. 19:16)
Jesus Christ is... Man from Heaven (1 Cor. 15:48)
Jesus Christ is... Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb. 9:15)
Jesus Christ is... Mighty God (Isa. 9:6)
Jesus Christ is... Morning Star (Rev. 22:16)
Jesus Christ is... Offspring of David (Rev. 22:16)
Jesus Christ is... Only Begotten Son of God (John 1:18; 1 John 4:9)
Jesus Christ is... Our Great God and Savior (Titus 2:13)
Jesus Christ is... Our Holiness (1 Cor. 1:30)
Jesus Christ is... Our Husband (2 Cor. 11:2)
Jesus Christ is... Our Protection (2 Thess. 3:3)
Jesus Christ is... Our Redemption (1 Cor. 1:30)
Jesus Christ is... Our Righteousness (1 Cor. 1:30)
Jesus Christ is... Our Sacrificed Passover Lamb (1 Cor. 5:7)
Jesus Christ is... Power of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
Jesus Christ is... Precious Cornerstone (1 Pet. 2:6)
Jesus Christ is... Prophet (Acts 3:22)
Jesus Christ is... Rabbi (Mt. 26:25)
Jesus Christ is... Resurrection and Life (John 11:25)
Jesus Christ is... Righteous Branch (Jer. 23:5)
Jesus Christ is... Righteous One (Acts 7:52; 1 John 2:1)
Jesus Christ is... Rock (1 Cor. 10:4)
Jesus Christ is... Root of David (Rev. 5:5; 22:16)
Jesus Christ is... Ruler of God’s Creation (Rev. 3:14)
Jesus Christ is... Ruler of the Kings of the Earth (Rev. 1:5)
Jesus Christ is... Savior (Eph. 5:23; Titus 1:4; 3:6; 2 Pet. 2:20)
Jesus Christ is... Son of David (Lk. 18:39)
Jesus Christ is... Son of God (John 1:49; Heb. 4:14)
Jesus Christ is... Son of Man (Mt. 8:20)
Jesus Christ is... Son of the Most High God (Lk. 1:32)
Jesus Christ is... Source of Eternal Salvation for believers (Heb. 5:9)
Jesus Christ is... The One Mediator (1 Tim. 2:5)
Jesus Christ is... The Stone the builders rejected (Acts 4:11)
Jesus Christ is... True Bread (John 6:32)
Jesus Christ is... True Light (John 1:9)
Jesus Christ is... True Vine (John 15:1)
Jesus Christ is... Truth (John 1:14; 14:6)
Jesus Christ is... Way (John 14:6)
Jesus Christ is... Wisdom of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
Jesus Christ is... Word (John 1:1)
Jesus Christ is... Word of God (Rev. 19:13)

Want some fries with that?

Good material, I will post it up on another site & give you name for the credits! --Elijah
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Very good list except for Micael which is not a name of Jesus.

Hebrews 1
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?







To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.


Isaiah 40:25





To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?

Isaiah 46:6


The name, Michael in hebrew is - מיכאל‎'mi-cha-el' in hebrew means, "who is like unto God"

The angel's name actually denotes and defines him -

that there is none 'like' God at all , of which the scriptures above speak plainly.




King David knew this when he said -


Who is like the LORD our God, Who is enthroned on high,

Psalm 113:5

The hebrew translation of the above scripture is this:

מי כיהוה אלהינו המגביהי לשבת׃

Notice that the angel Michael's hebrew name is imbedded in this verse to show that he is not only not like God, but cannot even be compared or associated with any Divine attributes :

מי כיהוה אלהינו המגביהי לשבת׃


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Moses knew this when he said -

"Who is like You among the gods, O LORD? Who is like You, majestic in holiness, Awesome in praises, working wonders?
Exodus 15;11


The Name of God is - יהוה [size="2"]or Yehovah
Jesus/Yeshua is Jehovah the Son. Yeshua is the short form for Yehovashua.
'Shua' means 'saviour'. Yehovashua means Yehovah is the Saviour. Jesus is
that Person.


And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS/Yeshua: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:21


Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 4:12


God's Name in heaven before the incarnation was only Yehovah.

I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 42:8

I am doing this for myself, only for myself. Why should my name be dishonored? I will not give my glory to anyone else.
Isaiah 48:11


Only Jesus shares His Father's Glory as the 'only begotten ('unique' in Greek) Son of God, who is, God the Son -

No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 1:18

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:14

In heaven Michael and Yeshua the Messiah were distinctly different and separate with Yeshua being the Creator and Michael being a created angel completely unlike God (hence his hebrew name "who can be like unto God?"

On earth Yeshua the Messiah and Michael were distinctly different. Michael was in heaven as an angel while Yeshua was the Creator and Divine Messiah, completing the redemptive mission on earth for man only.

In heaven today Yeshua the Divine Messiah sits on the right hand of God the Father, as the Second Person of the Triunity of Yehovah. Michael the archangel serves Him and will serve Him for eternity.

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...st&p=191019

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...st&p=186871

A study of Daniel 10 proves without a doubt that The Lord and Micahel the archangel are not the same entities

It is the Lord Himself who speaks of the restraining function that He and Michael are engaged in

Those who come and suggest that they are the same are a discredit to the Lord and their teaching is a total blasphemy against Him

This behavior is stanically manipulated

Elijah here: Thanks for that, for this is the way one tell's who is 'IN' Rom. 8:1's Christ/Michael, & who it is of the Rev. 3:9 synagoge of satan, huh!

but if you do not post Scripture for that [REMARK], then 'i' suggest that [YOU] are the one in BLASPHEMY!

But some more of your Rev. 17:1-5 ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH 'beliefs' would in bottom/line tell us that truth as well.