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12:1 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time.
(Mat 24:21-22 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.)
But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. Dan 12:1-3.

These scriptures prove that the tribulation spoken of in Daniel 12:1-3 is the same one that Jesus refered to in Mat 24:21-22. Daniel revealed that there will be a resurrection at that time.
Jesus was quoting from Daniel 12 and Jeremiah 30:7, which Daniel was quoting from.

"7 Alas! That day is so great
there is none like it;
it is a time of distress for Jacob;
yet he shall be saved out of it."

Now we understand why Paul placed the resurrection at "His coming" when he wrote this, here:

"21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet." 1 Cor 15:21-25.

Here, Paul said that there will be a resurrection of those in Christ, "at his coming." That is another connecter proving that the gathering in Mat 24:31 includes the resurrection of the righteous, though the resurrection is not specifically mentioned by Jesus there.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I would add, Paul knew that the dead in Christ were just as much "the elect" as the living are.

1. Daniel put the resurrection after the tribulation in Dan 12:1-3.

2. Jesus quoted Daniel and put the gathering and redemption of the elect at the end of the "tribulation" in Mat 24.

3. Paul ( 1 Cor 15) put the resurrection of the righteous at the "coming" of the Lord, which Jesus tagged to happen "immediately after the tribilation."

4. Therefore, Paul borrowed information from Daniel that the resurrection would take place after the tribulation. Jesus revealed the living righteous would be "gathered... immediately after the tribulation".
Paul then combines the two things into one event in 1 Thes 4. The rapture of the living elect and the resurrection of the elect all happen at once "immediately after the tribulation of those days" and at the "coming of the Lord" according to 1 Thes 4 and Mat 24.

13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words. 1 Thes 4:13-18.





When Daniel was writing, the mystery of the church was not revealed yet.

4 When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. 6 This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs (with the believing Jews), members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel. Eph 3:4-6.

But after Pentecost the gentiles were welcomed into the new covenant made with Israel and thus became "the elect."

Since the blood of Messiah was shed on the cross, there is no division in God between believing Jews and believing Gentiles. We are all in one body. Think about this:

11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit. Eph 2:11-22.

There can only be one TRUTH!

The Great White Throne Judgment is a trial, set in the future, for all people who have rejected God's Call to salvation. Every person who has lived upon earth and has refused to accept God's way to redemption from sin, will kneel before their Creator at this time, and acknowledge that He is God--that Jesus Christ is Lord.
No person who has not been saved by acceptance of the Lord Jesus' sacrifice on the cross will escape this horrifying judgment against sin. The Lord Jesus foretold of this moment.

Matthew 7:23
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Each will then be cast into the Lake of Fire, which will be their place throughout Eternity. (read Mark 9:43-48) The Great White Throne Judgment is found in the following:

Revelation 20:11-15
"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire".

Although the word "throne" appears some thirty times in the Book of Revelation, this is a reference to a throne different than any previously mentioned, and accordingly, it is called a "Great White Throne." Unlike the previous thrones on Earth or Heaven, it is pictured as being in space and occupied by the Lord Jesus himself. (1)

John 5:22-23
"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him".

Romans 2:16
"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."

Revelation 3:21
"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."



The Greatness of this Throne is not in the size of it, nor is it the number of the multitude who stand convicted before it, but in the greatness of the Judge who presides over it--the Lord Jesus. The white color is representative of His holiness and purity, and of how fitting it is that He should judge mankind. (2)

The Bible clearly states that Judgment will follow death.

Hebrews 9:27
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

Our status in the Lord Jesus determines how we will be judged. Immediately following the Rapture, the believer will stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:10
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad."

There, the resurrected saints will receive rewards for the good works they performed while on earth. But, this is far different from what will happen to the unbeliever, who will appear before the Great White Throne Judgment at the end of the Millennium. (3)

The Great White Throne Judgment is NOT for Christians. It is only for those who refuse to accept the Lord Jesus Christ in this earthly life. To avoid this judgment, all one must do is repent and believe in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and invite Him to become his or her Lord and Savior. (2)

Romans 8:1
"[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

Those who refuse the free gift wrought by the Lamb of God, will find that

Hebrews 10:31
"[It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

As the text (Revelation 20:12-15) makes plain, The Great White Throne is the final judgment. As the righteous have already been judged, this judgment relates to the wicked. It is the final resurrection in contrast to the first resurrection, which had to do with the righteous.(1)

Daniel 12:2
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt."

John 5:29
"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Acts 24:15
"And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust."

Salvation is not the issue, for those in this judgment are described as dead, meaning they are spiritually dead. They have no saving relationship with God and hence, no mediator.(3)

1 Timothy 2:5
"For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

Those standing before the Throne come from all walks of life but are now being judged on the basis of their works. The judgment is based on what occurs in the books which record their works and whether their names are in the Book of Life.

The Book of Life contains the names of God's elect. They will experience no condemnation nor judgment. They are not among the dead, for they are alive. (1)

John 6: 50-51
"This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

Revelation 20:12-13
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

The "dead, small and great" refers to those who have lived throughout history and, regardless of their stature or position, died without acknowledging and accepting The Lord Jesus' payment for their sins. All remains of these deceased will be raised and united with their souls so that they can stand in a resurrected form before the Great White Throne.

After death, the soul continues to exist. Before the resurrection, the soul of the believer is in the presence of God awaiting eternal reward. The soul of the unbeliever is in hades awaiting final judgment. (3)

Ecclesiastes 12:14
"For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil."

Romans 2:5-6
"But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:"

After the unsaved are judged, another Book is opened, The Book of Life. The New Testament refers to this Book eight times, while three times the Old Testament mentions a Book in which names are written. (4) John says:

Revelation 20:15
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

The lake of fire is a punishment of everlasting torment prepared for Satan, his angels and all who refuse the gift of eternal life through the Lord Jesus.

Matthew 25: 41, 46
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

When this is completed, only one last event is scheduled for the Great White Throne Judgment.

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

In this way, the word of the Apostle Paul will be fulfilled: (4)

1 Corinthians 15:26
"The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death."

1 Corinthians 15:54-55
"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?"

God eliminates sorrow, causes crying to cease and wipes away every tear.

Revelation 21:4
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

...................................................benny

That's great, Bennny.

Why don't you take the time to read my post and respond to my post instead of posting some article.

Why?
Its because you can't... and you're scared to try.

I have read your posts;
everyone of them teach a false doctrine.
If you would just try reading scriptures literally,
It's possible that you could learn the truth.

you quote:.."Its because you can't... and you're scared to try.
benny reply:
you playing kid games with me?
You must be in your second child hood?

Try again

..........................................benny

I have read your posts;
everyone of them teach a false doctrine.
If you would just try reading scriptures literally,
It's possible that you could learn the truth.

If this is your definition of a scriptural rebutal than their is no point in dialoging with you. That is not a rebutal. That is a childish form of arguing. You responded to absolutely nothing that I posted.

What am I not taking literally that I should be? What are you talking about? Does anybody know? Do you? Apparently not.

Eli,...You quote:..."Daniel put the resurrection after the tribulation in Dan 12:1-3.

Eli, ...You have made a correct statement here! Praise the Lord!
Now correct me if you believe differently,.....But at the end of the Great Tribulation,on day number 1260th day,....the Lord descends with all the saints from heaven.
So from your above quote,you use the words..."after the tribulation"
meaning that it is after day 1260th day...correct?

Your post trib view has a rapture of the dead and alive in Christ Jesus, as the Lord is descending and receiving immortal bodies.who repopulates the millenium???

But the resurrection happens only after the ac and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.

..............................................benny

How unchrist like if you...


There was a resurrection of many of the righteous in Mat 27:52. This is consistant with the the Jewish Old Testament based teaching that the world to come/kingdom of God will be inaugurated by a resurrection of the just.

There will be another resurrection of the just when Messiah returns and establishes the millennial kingdom. This is the next stage.

There will be a final mass resurrection after the millennium at the great white throne of judgment.

Eli,..I think that it is good the you can see that the first resurrection consists of many phases and that there is not just one sole resurrection.
The one in Matthew 27;52 is the first fruits, also known as the wave offering.

I think that the following best explains the subject that you and are are discussing.

The Martyred Saints Of Revelations
&
The Harvest

How does the end of the age Harvest fit into the book of Revelations? The Harvest picture is revealed in the Feast of Tabernacles that the Jews celebrated at the end of the Harvest season. Many people have never considered the Feast of Tabernacles when discussing Revelations and especially as it pertains to the Martyred Saints. Jesus disciples ask,...when shall be the sign of thy coming, and the end of the (age)? Matt 24:3. Jesus said ...the HARVEST is the end of the (age), Matt 13:39. The Jews celebrate The Feast Of Tabernacles, at the end of the Harvest or growing season, and it commemorates the deliverance of God's people from Egypt and their journey through the wilderness. This is the time when they dwelt in tents and Booths, or temporary shelters. I need to point out right away that as you read this, keep in mind the scriptures in Revelations that talk about the Martyred Saints and what they are to wear and what they have in their hands and even what they say. Notice how they have to wait 7 years and how this runs parallel to the Feast of Tabernacles where they wait 7 days! People will ask, what does the Feast of Tabernacles have to do with Revelations? The answer is in, (the Harvest at the end of the age), so then, let's pay attention to what the Jews did during The Feast Of Tabernacles which follows the Harvest season! If the Harvest is the end of the age then we should have some insight into what The Feast of Tabernacles is showing.

The names for the Sukkot are, The Feast of Tabernacles, Feast of the Lord, The Feast, Feast of Ingathering, The Feast of Booths. These are all pointing to the same Feast, The Feast of Tabernacles, scriptures are, Lev 23:34, Deut 16:13-15, 31:10, 2 Chron 8:13, Ezra 3:4, Zec 14:16-19.

Lev 23:39-42 says, Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eight day a sabbath. And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days....Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:

There is a distinction to be made here between, The Feast of Weeks at Pentecost with the Firstfruits of the Barley offering 50 days after Passover, and the Feast of Ingatherings at the end of the growing season in the fall. Ex 34:22 explains it, And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the first fruits of wheat, AND the feast of ingathering at the year's end. They are two different events in the Jewish festivals.

The Feast of Tabernacles is to commemorate what the Israelites went through coming out of Egypt, and dwelling in booths and temporary shelters. This Feast also looks ahead Prophetically into the future with the Jews still looking for Messiah and it also includes the Gentile Nations! We read in Zech 14:16, And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and TO KEEP THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES. This is a clear picture of what will happen even into the Millennium with the gentile nations! There will be consequences for not obeying this Feast during the Millennium for the Nations LEFT on earth. The point is, this is a look ahead at what the Feast means, even for the gentiles into the future! Then following the 7 days, there was to be a holy convocation on the 8th day called, atzeret, it was to be a day of abstinence and austerity and it marked (the end of the reaping) and a new beginning agricultural cycle. This is where some Bible scholars point to the millennial kingdom being set up at this time. This would make sense because the number eight means a new beginning. This 8th day begins to look ahead into the Kingdom age of the Millennium. Leprosy a picture of sin, was cleansed on the eight day, Lev 14:10,23. This is a picture of the atzeret, the time the Jews are looking to for Messiah to come and save them, bringing the start of the Kingdom on earth.


There is much to say about the Jews Celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles. Israel would recite the Hallel Psalms 113 to 118, during The Feast Of Tabernacles. In Psalms 118:25 it shows the expectation of the Jews for their Messiah to come and save them! This is highly suggestive due to the Harvest being the end of the age, and this Feast of 7 days following at the END of the Harvest. We must take a serious look at this Feast of, Sukkot, The Feast Of Tabernacles and what it is revealing. It is most interesting to realize that in Psalm 116:15, that this is a place in the Bible where it says something about the death of the Lord's Saints! It says, Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his Saints. As suggested, if this Harvest festival parallel's the End of the Age, then we have some interesting features of the Feast to look at as it concerns the Martyrs in the Book of Revelations. In other words, if the Rapture has happened in Rev 4:1 and it represented the main Harvest, then we can look at these Martyred Saints through the eyes of the Feast to get a better picture as to what is going to happen throughout Revelations as it's revealed through the Jewish Festival! We now have three major themes all happening in order. The Harvest happens first, then the Martyred Saints are seen in the 7 days of the Feast of Tabernacles, or 7 years as it is seen in The Book Revelations. They are in Temporary shelters under the alter waiting for the Lord to Resurrect them, as the Jews are in temporary shelters looking for Messiah at the end of their Feast of Tabernacles! All three of these now line up in sequence with this Feast of Ingatherings as it concerns, The Harvest, the Revelation Martyrs and the end of the Age. All of this is revealed in the Feast of Tabernacles.

There were also 70 bulls sacrificed during the Sukkot and Rabbis to this day will tell you that it represents sacrifices for the Nations, 70 being a number for the nations. Some Jewish sources say that world redemption is a major theme of the Feast of Tabernacles. In the Tribulation, or Daniel's 70th week there will be people from all across the world who will not take the mark, this shows how the gentiles are included into God's plans. They will be Martyred and will have temporary shelter under the Altar of the Almighty during Daniel's 70th week, Rev 6:9-11. Isn't it ironic that the 70th week of Daniel has to do with, God dealing with the Jewish Nation, and the number 70 has to do with, the sacrifices for the Nations during the Feast of Tabernacles! The Jews and the Gentiles are being dealt with during the Revelation. The Lord is working out his plan of Salvation for the Jews and the Gentiles, (after) the main Harvest, notice how the Church is missing in this picture of The Feast Of Tabernacles! The picture of the Church isn't revealed here because we were the main Harvest! John the Beloved was taken up to heaven way back in Rev 4:1 in the main Harvest and John is a clear picture of the Church. For the doubters who want to say the Church is martyred, John the Beloved was not Martyred! This shows you the Harvest picture in the Feast. The Harvest picture demands that there was a Harvest first! Then the 7 days of the Feast of Tabernacles!

When the Israelites made their booths, they then would dress in their finest clothes and dwell in these booths, notice how this is similar to when the Martyred Saints are given White Robes to wear. The Jews during the Feast lived (in temporary shelters for 7 days FOLLOWING the Harvest). This so clearly parallels the (Rapture Harvest of the Church) and how there will be many converts (after) the main Harvest, but the Martyrs in Revelation have to wait the 7 years for their brethren to be Martyred because they Missed the Rapture! They have not been Resurrected as yet and they have to wait under the Alter. They cry, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? This is not the normal response of a Christian, that's because these Martyrs are not the Church, but they do have a (Part) in the first Resurrection, Rev 20:4-6. Example,... when Stephen was martyred he said, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. Acts 7:60. This is a completely different response to what the Martyrs cry in Revelations 6. The Martyrs in the Revelation are the Gleanings that follow the main Harvest, Lev 19:9, 23:22. Grapes would not be picked again following the main harvest and they were mainly (left for the POOR and the FOREIGNERS). This again shows the Tribulation period, and it helps to explain the Martyrs place as the Gleanings during The Feast of Tabernacles . The first Resurrection is not over completely until the Gleanings (of the Poor and Foreigners) are brought in. Jer 6:9 says, ...Those who remain in Israel will be like grapes thoroughly gleaned from a vine. So go over them again, as though you were a grape harvester passing your hand over the branches one last time. This Festival is also know as the, Feast of Ingatherings, Ex 23:16.

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Rev 7:9....And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? And whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, Rev 7:13-14. These are given Palm Branches, and like the Jews who still wait for Messiah, they would wave them during the Temple Festival looking ahead in the future. The similarities are striking, the Jews wait in booths or temporary shelters for 7 days and the Martyred Saints with their Palm Branches wait under the alter 7 years. This is all after the Harvest but it's all pictured in the Feast of Tabernacles!

The simple fact that the Martyrs in Revelations have white robes and are called Saints does not mean that they are the Church especially in light of, The Harvest, and The Feast of Tabernacles. The Martyred Saints have Palm branches in their hands just like the Jews used during the time of the feast that (followed the Harvest!) The 24 Elders are different, they picture the Old and New Testament Saints who were redeemed by the blood of the Lamb back in Revelations 4 & 5, they have thrones to sit on, and have Crowns on their heads and they throw them before the throne, they don't have Palm branches in their hands! But these Martyred Saints are waiting under the Alter with Palm Branches, and this is a good picture of the Feast of Tabernacles with the Palm branches being used, as they are looking ahead, waiting to be resurrected like the Jews look ahead for Messiah to come! These Palm branches were called a, Lulav, they are made from branches of Palms, myrtles, and willows, all fastened with a golden thread. The Lulavs, or Palm branches were used to wave during the Temple service. The Jews would come to the Temple holding an etrog, or citrus fruit, this was symbolic of the fruit of the Promised Land, and the booths are temporary shelters, they are all symbols of the Feast of Tabernacles as they wait for Messiah. It is this Typology that helps us understand who the Martyrs are in Revelations because once you see it you'll see the Harvest picture of Revelations, as it is shown in The Feast of Tabernacles.



There were two noteworthy features that were found in the Temple service of the Feast of Tabernacles. One was the pouring of water in the temple, it lasted six days climaxing on the seventh day. That day is called, Hoshanna Rabbah, The Day of Great Hosanna! It had great Messianic significance because the pouring of the water from the golden pitcher took place while the blasting of trumpets by the priests and the singing of the Hallel Psalms 113 to 118 they would wave their Lulavs or Palm branches. They shouted, Save Now, I beseech thee, O Lord! O Lord, I beseech thee, send now prosperity! Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.... The next feature within the Temple service was the Illumination of the Temple. They used four great towering candlesticks with four Golden bowls upon them. The priests would climb up and fill these bowls with 10 gallons of oil each. This along with the pilgrims who came with torches and lamps made for a spectacular sight, and there was no courtyard in Jerusalem that was not lit up with light during the water pouring ceremony! There is all kinds of great symbolism found here in the Feast of Tabernacles. On the 7th and final day of Sukkot the entire congregation would circle the alter 7 times with their Palm branches in hand singing, “Hosheanah, save us!”

It is noteworthy that when Jesus came into Jerusalem the people wanted to proclaim him Savior right then and there but his time had not yet come. They waved the Palm Branches and shouted Hosanna to the Son of David! During the last day of the great Feast of Tabernacles, ... Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water, John 7:37-38. At or near the end of the Feast Jesus said, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life, John 8:12. This is a marvelous account of the people instinctively knowing who Jesus was and then getting Palm branches and shouting, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord, 12:12-13. This is why the Feast of Tabernacles is such a prophetic Feast. It is the only Feast that is yet to be fulfilled. This is why the Harvest at the end of the age when the Lord returns shall shadow these events that are pictured in the Feast of Tabernacles. The Martyred Saints are clearly a part of this picture as they wait to be Resurrected, and this is the First Resurrection Rev 20:4-6..........................benny

Stephen said,



This is another verse the pre-tribbers had to change in order to support a failed doctrine.

The word "elect" which refers to the saints in the New Testament always refers to Christians...never to non-Christian Jews.

The word "elect" in Mathew 24 is the same word that's used in the following verses.

Matthew 20:16
John 13:18, 15:16
Acts 15:22, 15:25
Romans 8:33, 16:13
1 Corinthians 1:27-28
Ephesians 1:4
Colossians 3:12
James 2:5
2 Timothy 2:10
Titus 1:1
1 Peter 1:2, 2:9, 5:13
Revelation 17:14

John the christian say's...

However, this rather long list of evidence does not appear to matter to Hal Lindsey and friends. Pretribulationist refuse to accept that the elect of Matthew 24 is Christians.
"And immediately after the tribulation of those days...he will send his angels with a great trumpet, and they will gather his elect out of the four winds from the extremities of the skies unto their extremities"(Matthew 24:29-31).

We know from other scriptures that the rapture will occur at a loud trumpet of God (I Thess. 4:16; I Cor. 15:23; Rev. 10:7), that it entails angels gathering Christians (Matt. 13:30, 39; Rev. 19:14), that the gathering will take place in the sky (I Thess. 4:17), and that God's elect anywhere else in the New Testament always indicates believers in Jesus, but the pre-tribulationists would lead you to believe this verse is anything but the rapture of the Church. Why? Because in this instance, the text clearly shows the event to be "after" the tribulation."

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Are you beginning to see the fabrication process of pretribulationism?

SW

The problem is you are trying to incorrectly interpret scriptures.
It is not Stephen or myself.You are trying to point the finger at others when in truth you are the one who is in error.

I see a lot of repeated assumptions that the "elect" can only be the Church - Gentiles or MAINLY Gentiles - that this phrase can only refer to the Church. It does apply to the Church at times, but not ALL times.



When you consider that the tribulation is JACOB'S Trouble, that it begins with the signing of the "covenant of death", according to Isaiah 28 (and leading to a decree from God for destruction of the whole earth), everything centers around ISRAEL, does the word "elect" not also apply to the 144,000 sealed of Israel? The Jews who listen to God?



Anyways, since a lot of assumptions are based on that one tiny word, I thought it'd be a good one to study. In a way, that word is the jumping off point of a whole big ole theory about the timing of the rapture being AFTER the Second Coming.



If NO assumption is made about who this word pertains to, the whole picture starts to change.

If NO assumption is made about the parties Jesus was addressing in Matthew 24, the whole picture starts to change.

If Old Testament prophecies are studied and included instead of EXcluded, the whole picture starts to change.



The Old Testament prophet Isaiah called God's chosen people "the elect". We know that we are grafted in - the Church is also the "elect", but that title is not to EXCLUDE the Jews.

Jesus is also spoken of as "elect".



Here is what Isaiah wrote:



Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.



Isaiah 45:4

For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.



Isaiah 65:9

And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.



Isaiah 65:22

They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.



What is the GOAL and PURPOSE of the Seventy Sevens as spoken of by the prophet Daniel in chapter 9 verse 24?



24 Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy.



So the purposes are fivefold and they ALL are directed towards "thy people" - the Jews:

1. to finish transgression

2. to make an end of sins

3. to make reconciliation for iniquity

4. to bring in an age of righteousness

5. to seal up vision and prophecy



All of those things refer to ISRAEL. The purpose is not geared towards Gentiles, though the persecutors of Jews certainly have God's wrath directed AT them.



So when we see Jesus speaking to the Jews, of events foretold in the OT that pertain TO the Jews, events CONCERNING JEWS that must occur before the Second Coming of Christ, why do so many say "That's us!"

Is it?



Who is this referring to:



Matthew 24:29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:



30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.



31 And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.



Leaving off the debate over the gathering of the heavens (which is really interesting too!), this final gathering AFTER the Second Coming of Christ, if the elect spoken of were the Jews, is a fulfillment of prophecy!

The final restoration of Israel was spoken of by the OT prophets as not occuring til AFTER the Second Coming.

We all know that the Jews, despite the existence of Israel as a nation, are still dispersed, and many worldwide have no plans to relocate to Israel. The dispersion continues.



This time, that comes AFTER the tribulation, appears to include ALL of the OT saints, as it is mentioned repeatedly "from one end of the heavens to the other". Even Daniel was was told that he would stand at the end of days:



Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and shalt stand in thy lot, at the end of the days.



In Isaiah 27 the words of Jesus are prophesied:



12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that Jehovah will beat off his fruit from the flood of the River unto the brook of Egypt; and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great trumpet shall be blown; and they shall come that were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and they that were outcasts in the land of Egypt; and they shall worship Jehovah in the holy mountain at Jerusalem.



I don't even know how it got started, the generally held opinion that there is only ONE elect and that Jesus couldn't POSSIBLY be addressing and referring to the Jews who are to be saved, God's chosen holy ones. I will follow this post with one that shows the scriptures pertaining Matthew 24 and final gathering of the "elect".

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Mark 13:25 and the stars shall be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall he send forth the angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.



Here's some further background of Matthew 24 and also Mark 13:27 that is found in the Old Testament, beginning WAY back in Deuteronomy. All of Chapter 29 and 30 are pretty interesting, but I am only copying in a portion of 30 that relates to what is spoken in Mark.



These scriptures speak of the final regathering of the Jews, which has NOT yet occurred (there are Jews all over the place) prior to the commencement of the Millenial Kingdom:



Deuteronomy 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither Jehovah thy God hath driven thee, 2 and shalt return unto Jehovah thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thy heart, and with all thy soul;

3 that then Jehovah thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the peoples, whither Jehovah thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine outcasts be in the uttermost parts of heaven, from thence will Jehovah thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee



See that this also refers to the Jews being gathered in Heaven and on Earth, no matter where they may be. And then the end results:



5 and Jehovah thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.



Now, at what time in history were ALL faithful Jews in HEAVEN and on earth, to be regathered by God (or to be more precise, God's angels)? Only at the end will this happen - before the Millenial Kingdom. So this is an unfulfilled prophecy until that time.



Isaiah 11:11 to 12:6 - (I'm only going to copy in Isaiah 11:11+, but there IS more)

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord will set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, that shall remain, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.



12 And he will set up an ensign for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.



13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and they that vex Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.



14 And they shall fly down upon the shoulder of the Philistines on the west; together shall they despoil the children of the east: they shall put forth their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.



15 And Jehovah will utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his scorching wind will he wave his hand over the River, and will smite it into seven streams, and cause men to march over dryshod.



16 And there shall be a highway for the remnant of his people, that shall remain, from Assyria; like as there was for Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.



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Isaiah 43:5 Fear not; for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;



6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back; bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the end of the earth;



7 every one that is called by my name, and whom I have created for my glory, whom I have formed, yea, whom I have made.



And in Jeremiah, the regathering for the Millenial Kingdom:



5 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.



6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called: Jehovah our righteousness.



7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that they shall no more say, As Jehovah liveth, who brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;



8 but, As Jehovah liveth, who brought up and who led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all the countries whither I had driven them. And they shall dwell in their own land.

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31:7 For thus saith Jehovah, Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout for the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O Jehovah, save thy people, the remnant of Israel.



8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the uttermost parts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall they return hither.



9 They shall come with weeping; and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by rivers of waters, in a straight way wherein they shall not stumble; for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my first-born.



10 Hear the word of Jehovah, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off; and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as shepherd doth his flock.



11 For Jehovah hath ransomed Jacob, and redeemed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.



12 And they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow unto the goodness of Jehovah, to the grain, and to the new wine, and to the oil, and to the young of the flock and of the herd: and their soul shall be as a watered garden; and they shall not sorrow any more at all.



13 Then shall the virgin rejoice in the dance, and the young men and the old together; for I will turn their mourning into joy, and will comfort them, and make them rejoice from their sorrow.



14 And I will satiate the soul of the priests with fatness, and my people shall be satisfied with my goodness, saith Jehovah.



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And then Ezekiel (does it seem like the Old Testament prophets were REALLY trying to drive hom a point about the final regathering of Israel?)



11:16 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Whereas I have removed them far off among the nations, and whereas I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them a sanctuary for a little while in the countries where they are come.



17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: I will gather you from the peoples, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.



18 And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.



19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them a heart of flesh;



20 that they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.



21 But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will bring their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord Jehovah.



And more from Ezekiel in Chapter 20:40-42



40 For in my holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord Jehovah, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them, serve me in the land: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the first-fruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.



41 As a sweet savor will I accept you, when I bring you out from the peoples, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you in the sight of the nations.



42 And ye shall know that I am Jehovah, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country which I sware to give unto your fathers.



And there is more if anyone cares to follow it along. I think some of these passages get overlooked because it is assumed that Israel's rebirth as a nation was the end of the story, but these Old Testament prophecies foretell a COMPLETE regathering and describe the conditions of the Millenial Kingdom - not just the partial regathering in unbelief that has thus far occurred. In other words, these are not fulfilled to completion:



Ezekiel 36: 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: I do not this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for my holy name, which ye have profaned among the nations, whither ye went.



23 And I will sanctify my great name, which hath been profaned among the nations, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the nations shall know that I am Jehovah, saith the Lord Jehovah, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.



24 For I will take you from among the nations, and gather you out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land.



25 And I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.



26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.



27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep mine ordinances, and do them.



28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.



29 And I will save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the grain, and will multiply it, and lay no famine upon you.



30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye may receive no more the reproach of famine among the nations.



31 Then shall ye remember your evil ways, and your doings that were not good; and ye shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations..........................................benny

What about:
Daniel 12:12
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Proprietary false teaching that extracts the believing remnant part of ethnic national Israel [the "elect"] from the scriptures related to the time of the end .... and the Lord's early "harpazo" action for the church does this in gross error and for the purpose of promoting their own agendas. This is done in order to insert themselves in the passages of scripture that focus specifically upon national Israel. Correct interpretation on this matter will shut out all of the other possibilities that false teaching brings .... no wiggle room. Many denominations of "christian" fronting do this and it is called replacement theology. For example, Daniel's visions for the time of the end are about his people .... national Israel ..... not the Gentiles of the church. The idea of mixing national Israel with the church which has no national identity is riddled with error.

Dear Selah,....No one can say with absolute certainty what will happen on the 1335th day after the Abomination of Desolation.
But,I will explain what I think it means.
I personally think that is when the first day of the millenium begins

So what happens between day 1,260 and day 1,335?
I think that in between those days that the antichrist and false prophet are both cast alive into the lake of fire,.....and afterwards, satan is chained and cast into the bottomless pit.
and after that,...all those who were martyred for their faith in Christ Jesus will be resurrected. and then the Sheep and goat judgement comes to pass,...and then on day 1335,....the millenium begins with the 1000 year reign of our Lord Jesus the Christ.

.....................................................benny

Rapture

Tribulation
First 1,260 days
Second 1,260 days
30 days
45 days

Millennium

This the frame work given in Daniel's
vision

This same frame work is congruent with all other visionary prophecy including Revelation

Understanding this setting will allow for discovering many truths related to the schedule of the events of the time of the end

Dear Benny...The Scriptures say what happens between 1260 and 1335 day's. See here:
Daniel 12:11;12
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

If you read the Bible Benny, rather than reading all the articles and commentaries you provide, you would have understanding. I would like to see more of you and the Scriptures and less of someone else whom you present. The Word of God is not deceptive.

Revelation 21:5
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Did the one on the Throne say that to all? No He say's that to those written in the Book of life! Those words are already given, you cannot add nor take away, otherwise the words are no longer "true and faithful"

Selah,Those were my words and not a cut and paste.
Now you quote:..."Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."

benny reply:
Pease tell us what you think happens on this 1,335th day?
Obviously, you do not believe in a pre-trib rapture, and did not like the answer to what I believe it means.Hey! maybe you can come up with a better answer? please enlighten us all.

................................................benny

How about rather we take this one bite at a time.

If there is anything unscriptural about the following, enlighten me. Then we shall take it to the next step.

12:1 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time.

(Mat 24:21-22 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.)

But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. Dan 12:1-3.

These scriptures use precisely the same language and therefore prove that the tribulation spoken of in Daniel 12:1-3 is the same one that Jesus refered to in Mat 24:21-22.

Daniel revealed that there will be a resurrection at that time at the end of the tribulation. The angel also told Daniel that

"at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book."

This deliverance, I contend, is the same thing as the "gathering" that Jesus spoke of in Mat 24:31. Compare Matthew's account with Luke 21:27-28:

"27 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

Luke leaves out the gathering of the elect by the angels and instead refers to this event as "your redemption" which Jesus' followers are told to "look up" to see happen. "Look up" to the sky where Jesus will appear in his coming.

Jesus was quoting from Daniel 12 and also Jeremiah 30:7, which Daniel was quoting from:

"7 Alas! That day is so great
there is none like it;
it is a time of distress for Jacob;
yet he shall be saved out of it."

As usual Eli,and sadly but true, you have again misinterpreted scipture.

There can only be one TRUTH!

The Great White Throne Judgment is a trial, set in the future, for all people who have rejected God's Call to salvation. Every person who has lived upon earth and has refused to accept God's way to redemption from sin, will kneel before their Creator at this time, and acknowledge that He is God--that Jesus Christ is Lord.
No person who has not been saved by acceptance of the Lord Jesus' sacrifice on the cross will escape this horrifying judgment against sin. The Lord Jesus foretold of this moment.

Matthew 7:23
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Each will then be cast into the Lake of Fire, which will be their place throughout Eternity. (read Mark 9:43-48) The Great White Throne Judgment is found in the following:

Revelation 20:11-15
"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire".

Although the word "throne" appears some thirty times in the Book of Revelation, this is a reference to a throne different than any previously mentioned, and accordingly, it is called a "Great White Throne." Unlike the previous thrones on Earth or Heaven, it is pictured as being in space and occupied by the Lord Jesus himself. (1)

John 5:22-23
"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him".

Romans 2:16
"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."

Revelation 3:21
"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."



The Greatness of this Throne is not in the size of it, nor is it the number of the multitude who stand convicted before it, but in the greatness of the Judge who presides over it--the Lord Jesus. The white color is representative of His holiness and purity, and of how fitting it is that He should judge mankind. (2)

The Bible clearly states that Judgment will follow death.

Hebrews 9:27
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

Our status in the Lord Jesus determines how we will be judged. Immediately following the Rapture, the believer will stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:10
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad."

There, the resurrected saints will receive rewards for the good works they performed while on earth. But, this is far different from what will happen to the unbeliever, who will appear before the Great White Throne Judgment at the end of the Millennium. (3)

The Great White Throne Judgment is NOT for Christians. It is only for those who refuse to accept the Lord Jesus Christ in this earthly life. To avoid this judgment, all one must do is repent and believe in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and invite Him to become his or her Lord and Savior. (2)

Romans 8:1
"[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

Those who refuse the free gift wrought by the Lamb of God, will find that

Hebrews 10:31
"[It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

As the text (Revelation 20:12-15) makes plain, The Great White Throne is the final judgment. As the righteous have already been judged, this judgment relates to the wicked. It is the final resurrection in contrast to the first resurrection, which had to do with the righteous.(1)

Daniel 12:2
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt."

John 5:29
"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Acts 24:15
"And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust."

Salvation is not the issue, for those in this judgment are described as dead, meaning they are spiritually dead. They have no saving relationship with God and hence, no mediator.(3)

1 Timothy 2:5
"For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

Those standing before the Throne come from all walks of life but are now being judged on the basis of their works. The judgment is based on what occurs in the books which record their works and whether their names are in the Book of Life.

The Book of Life contains the names of God's elect. They will experience no condemnation nor judgment. They are not among the dead, for they are alive. (1)

John 6: 50-51
"This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

Revelation 20:12-13
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

The "dead, small and great" refers to those who have lived throughout history and, regardless of their stature or position, died without acknowledging and accepting The Lord Jesus' payment for their sins. All remains of these deceased will be raised and united with their souls so that they can stand in a resurrected form before the Great White Throne.

After death, the soul continues to exist. Before the resurrection, the soul of the believer is in the presence of God awaiting eternal reward. The soul of the unbeliever is in hades awaiting final judgment. (3)

Ecclesiastes 12:14
"For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil."

Romans 2:5-6
"But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:"

After the unsaved are judged, another Book is opened, The Book of Life. The New Testament refers to this Book eight times, while three times the Old Testament mentions a Book in which names are written. (4) John says:

Revelation 20:15
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

The lake of fire is a punishment of everlasting torment prepared for Satan, his angels and all who refuse the gift of eternal life through the Lord Jesus.

Matthew 25: 41, 46
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

When this is completed, only one last event is scheduled for the Great White Throne Judgment.

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

In this way, the word of the Apostle Paul will be fulfilled: (4)

1 Corinthians 15:26
"The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death."

1 Corinthians 15:54-55
"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?"

God eliminates sorrow, causes crying to cease and wipes away every tear.

Revelation 21:4
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

...................................................benny

Benny, you ran and hid (again) rather than reply to my post. Please don't throw old recycled posts of yours at me when I write something directly to you. Respectfully write a direct, fresh new response to me or don't post anythiing at all. This is what I am asking anyone to reply to:

How about rather we take this one bite at a time.

If there is anything unscriptural about the following, enlighten me. Then we shall take it to the next step.

12:1 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time.

(Mat 24:21-22 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.)

But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. Dan 12:1-3.

These scriptures use precisely the same language and therefore prove that the tribulation spoken of in Daniel 12:1-3 is the same one that Jesus refered to in Mat 24:21-22.

Daniel revealed that there will be a resurrection at that time at the end of the tribulation. The angel also told Daniel that

"at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book."

This deliverance, I contend, is the same thing as the "gathering" that Jesus spoke of in Mat 24:31. Compare Matthew's account with Luke 21:27-28:

"27 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

Luke leaves out the gathering of the elect by the angels and instead refers to this event as "your redemption" which Jesus' followers are told to "look up" to see happen. "Look up" to the sky where Jesus will appear in his coming.

Jesus was quoting from Daniel 12 and also Jeremiah 30:7, which Daniel was quoting from:

"7 Alas! That day is so great
there is none like it;
it is a time of distress for Jacob;
yet he shall be saved out of it."

The Lord's discourse regarding the time of the end is all 100% focused upon the generation of national Israel living at the time of the end .... not the church

Today's church will already be immortalized just before, and the Lord's focus in His end time discourse is a focus upon Israel and the nations

He speaks to those of national Israel regarding their nation and its fate which is what they were concerned about

What He does not tell then is when ..... no one knows this