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~Selah~
I'm sure *hopefully* most of you are familiar with The Book of Daniel. Well I find myself in Daniel reading quite a bit, and I always discover new things! Well here recently I was reading Daniel Chapter 3 and I stopped on this verse:

5:That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:

Now me, being not the smartest cookie in the jar, wanted to know what some of these instruments are, so I looked them up in the Strong's Concordance and online...and found some of the words tie into Islam, for example psaltery is "pesanterin" which is Chaldaic

(For the record) Psaltery in other places of the Scriptures, like Psalms, does NOT mean the same as here in Daniel 3:5. I'll provide all the meanings for each instrument in Daniel and then go from there...some of you may already know, but this is new news for me!! And I want to thank Yahshua first and foremost, for without Him...I would be nothing & would know nothing smile.gif

I'll give the english word and then the Aramaic+meanings; since that area of Daniel was primarily written in Aramaic; with some words rooted in Greek/Chaldaic

1: Cornet: (Qeren)
A horn (for sound) to push or gore, to shoot out horns; rays -shine or as projecting. A corner, peak or ray. Figuratively...power.

2: Flute: (Mashrowqiy)
(from a root corresponding to: Sharaq, which means; to be shrill, whistle, hiss (as a call or in scorn)
derision or contempt.


3: Harp: (Qiytharoc)
A lyre or harp

4: Sackbut:(Cabbeka or Sabbeka)
From Cabak; to entwine, fold together, wrap:lyre.

5: Dulcimer: (Ciyphoneya)
A bag pipe; (with a double pipe)

6: Psaltery: (Pesanterin)
A lyre
And when I typed in *Pesanterin* look where it leads....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesantren


QUOTE
Islamia (Islamic madrasa) in India and Pakistan and much of the Arabic speaking world. Pesantren aim to deepen knowledge of the Koran, particularly through the study of Arabic, traditions of exegesis, the Sayings of the Prophet, law and logic. The term pesantren derives from the root word santri or student -- pe-santri-an or the place of the santri[1]

All pesantren are led by a group of teachers and religious leaders known as Kyai. . The Kyai is respected as teacher and devout man. Kyai also play important roles in the community as a religious leader and in recent years as a political figure. There are Kyai families that have a long history of serving in this role. Some contemporary Kyai are the grandsons and great-grandsons of famous historical figures who established well known pesantren.[2] [3]


7: Musick: (Zemar from root: Zamar)
To trim a vine; prune also striking with fingers, instrumental.

There certainly are noticeable similarities to what is taking place in Daniel 3 and what takes place in the Islamic religion; like for example a muslim prays/worships several times a day and here is one example:

http://www.howdomuslimspray.com/
QUOTE
Call to the Prayers

A Call is made from the mosque, indicating that it is time for the obligatory prayer. There are five obligatory prayers in a day. On hearing the Call, people start preparing themselves for the prayer. Appearing below is the transliteration and translation of what a caller to the prayer says
.

Muslims also face toward Mecca in prayer position where "the Kaaba" is located--->



SecondWind
Ever notice how many spires there are at Mecca and Medina?

The same as the two and ten horned beast of Revelation!

Two and ten.

Coincidence?

SW
Stephen
The signature and foot print of the devil is evident

Islam will be the cult of the first beast of Revelation
whirlwind
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Oct 19 2008, 12:29 AM) *
I'm sure *hopefully* most of you are familiar with The Book of Daniel. Well I find myself in Daniel reading quite a bit, and I always discover new things! Well here recently I was reading Daniel Chapter 3 and I stopped on this verse:

5:That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:


You have made a very interesting connection Selah. When reading your post what came to my mind, as it is a subject I have been studying for the past few days, is the connection to Revelation.


Daniel 3:3 Then the princes, the governors, and captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellers, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, were gathered together unto the dedication of the image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had SET UP; and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had SET UP.


You pointed out seven instruments....and in the above we see eight rulers. Six is the normal number associated with Satan so....why seven and eight here? And notice that "Set Up" was repeated....said twice for emphasis.

So, just who are the seven princes, governers, etc.?

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy

13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"



17:10 And there are SEVEN KINGS: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he an eighth, and is of the seven and goeth into perdition.


So, the "beast" is of the seven kings and is the eighth. Kings, as used there, simply means.....a "foundation of power." The seven kings are....the seven heads of Revelation 13:1 and they are the seven instruments of Daniel 3:5 and the seven rulers of Daniel 3:3. The eighth of those rulers, who is "all the rulers of the provinces," is the beast that was and is not and is the eighth. The son of perdition.

The "image" that is "set up" is of course what we as God's elect will not bow to:

Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? "I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have no bowed the knee to the IMAGE OF BAAL."


It is noteworthy to see the connections you have noticed with Islam and the six instruments. All part of mystery Babylon....all false religion.
~Selah~
QUOTE (whirlwind @ Oct 19 2008, 09:57 AM) *
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Oct 19 2008, 12:29 AM) *
I'm sure *hopefully* most of you are familiar with The Book of Daniel. Well I find myself in Daniel reading quite a bit, and I always discover new things! Well here recently I was reading Daniel Chapter 3 and I stopped on this verse:

5:That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:


You have made a very interesting connection Selah. When reading your post what came to my mind, as it is a subject I have been studying for the past few days, is the connection to Revelation.


Daniel 3:3 Then the princes, the governors, and captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellers, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, were gathered together unto the dedication of the image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had SET UP; and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had SET UP.


You pointed out seven instruments....and in the above we see eight rulers. Six is the normal number associated with Satan so....why seven and eight here? And notice that "Set Up" was repeated....said twice for emphasis.

So, just who are the seven princes, governers, etc.?

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy

13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"



17:10 And there are SEVEN KINGS: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he an eighth, and is of the seven and goeth into perdition.


So, the "beast" is of the seven kings and is the eighth. Kings, as used there, simply means.....a "foundation of power." The seven kings are....the seven heads of Revelation 13:1 and they are the seven instruments of Daniel 3:5 and the seven rulers of Daniel 3:3. The eighth of those rulers, who is "all the rulers of the provinces," is the beast that was and is not and is the eighth. The son of perdition.

The "image" that is "set up" is of course what we as God's elect will not bow to:

Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? "I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have no bowed the knee to the IMAGE OF BAAL."


It is noteworthy to see the connections you have noticed with Islam and the six instruments. All part of mystery Babylon....all false religion.


Whirlwind; once again you confirm how imprtant it is *especially* in these day's to be reading, studying and sharing the Word...some hear and see and some don't, even Daniel say's:
Daniel 11:33
And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

I can see the connection you gave of Revelation to Daniel, thank you! I wanted to add that after I'd posted this last night; I did just a *tiny* and very brief study of Islam and found some alarming things:

1. The numerical value of allah is 66 (in arabic)

2. The Unicode has a codepoint reserved for Allāh, ﷲ = U+FDF2 (which equals U=21(3) + F=6 D=4 F=6 & 2) which together would read/equal 3+666

3. Islam means=The word Islam is a verbal noun originating from the triliteral root s-l-m, and is derived from the Arabic verb Aslama, which means "to accept, surrender or submit.

And as a side note; my Mom had mentioned this: allah spelled backwards is halla, which is the traditional Jewish passover bread!!! It's like a backwards opposition to our Bible and the bread of life!


QUOTE
Challah

Challah, sometimes spelled Halla or Hallah, is pronounced Há La. This Jewish bread is served on Friday night for the Sabbath dinner, and for holidays. The Sabbath dinner is special and sacred; the best ingredients are used for this meal. Challah usually contained white flour and eggs, because this was considered "the best." However, whole wheat or a combination of whole wheat and white might be used.

Due to Jewish dietary laws, meat and dairy products are not served together. Therefore, the bread is traditionally made with water rather than milk, since eggs are a main ingredient. The Friday night Challah is more than likely braided. It can be braided as fancy as its creator wants. The New Year's Challah is round, but others for the holiday can be round or braided.


So many connections; that it would certainly appear that the Book of Daniel is unsealed.

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