The Three Wraths of the Tribulation Period:
Will the Church survive them?

by Michael G. Mickey

Bible prophecy teaches us there are going to be three forms of supernatural wrath that will come upon the earth during the Tribulation Period, each of which will wreak havoc on the earth and its occupants. First, we'll discuss the three wraths. After that, we'll examine how these three wraths will impact the Church during the Tribulation Period.

Wrath #1 - The wrath of The Lamb

During the first half of the Tribulation Period, when the Lord opens the sixth seal, the sixth of twenty-one judgments that will befall mankind during the seven-year Tribulation Period, prophecy teaches us the inhabitants of planet earth are going to cry out to the mountains and rocks to fall upon them. Why? Because they'll be so frightened of the wrath of the Lamb - our Savior Jesus Christ.

Revelation 6:15-17: And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Wrath #2 - The wrath of Satan

Satan, assuming the Tribulation Period hasn't begun when you read this, is currently the prince of the power of the air and has limited access to the throne of God, a fact many Christians don't realize is true. In the aftermath of the Rapture, near the midpoint of the seven-year Tribulation Period, Satan is going to be completely stripped of his access to the throne of God where he currently acts as an accuser of the brethren and be cast to the earth itself! When this happens, heaven and all those in it are going to rejoice, but Satan is going to be exceedingly wrathful because he will know his time is short!

Satan's limited access to God's throne, as recorded in Job's day

Job 1:6-7: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job 2:1-2: Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Satan cast out into the earth at or near the Tribulation Period's midpoint

Revelation 12:7-12: And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Wrath #3 - The wrath of the Father

The final wrath that will fall on mankind and the earth is God the Father's wrath.

Revelation 15:7: And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

Revelation 16:1: And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.


How utterly frightening!

Whose time of trouble is the Tribulation Period?

Jeremiah 30:7 identifies the Tribulation Period as the time of Jacob's trouble - a reference to Israel.

Luke 21:23 points to the Tribulation Period being a time of wrath upon "this people" - another reference to Israel and the Jewish people.

Daniel 9:24 records God decreed 70 weeks (70 seven-year periods) against the children of Israel specifically. Sixty-nine of those weeks (69 periods of 7 years) are completed, as seen in Daniel 9:25-26, indicating the nation of Israel, "thy people" as seen in Daniel 9:24, has one more week (a seven-year period) to endure - the week (seven-year period) of the Tribulation Period. This again points to Israel and the Jewish people being the primary focus of the Tribulation Period.

When Christ returns at Armageddon,

will He be coming to avenge a victimized Church?

Joel 3:2: I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Zechariah 14:2-3: For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Where is the Church during the Tribulation Period?

Because the Church, comprised of believers who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, isn't appointed to wrath, the Church will be in heaven as a result of the Rapture!

1st Thessalonians 1:10: And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.


1st Thessalonians 5:9: For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Romans 5:9: Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Yes, the Rapture is a Pre-Tribulational event!

In Revelation, chapters 1-3, the word 'church' or 'churches' is used 19 times. After John hears the words 'come up hither' as recorded in Revelation 4:1, the Church isn't seen as a body again until it is seen in heaven at its wedding to Christ and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Revelation 19:7-8: Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

If the saints are seen in heaven marrying Christ while arrayed in white linen, it's a logical conclusion the Church has made it to heaven to get married, right?

Revelation 19:9: And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

The parable of the ten virgins:

Are you ready for the Pre-Trib Rapture?

Matthew 25:1-13: Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

As we see in the parable of the ten virgins, some will be waiting for the bridegroom's invitation to go to the marriage and will head out to meet him at midnight, even though they were fast asleep at the time of his coming. A key thing to note in the parable concerning the sleep of those who rise up to meet the bridegroom when he comes is their sleep is one of peace rather than a lack of preparedness! We know this to be true because those who had prepared for his coming are seen rising out of their peaceful sleep, trimming their well-equipped lamps, and heading off to the marriage upon hearing the bridegroom's midnight call. In the aftermath of their departure to the wedding, those left behind are seen scrambling to try and go, but the moment has passed and the door to the marriage has been slammed shut.


Those of us who call ourselves Christians need to live our lives in a state of preparedness for the return of Jesus Christ to take place - even if His return comes at an hour when we least expect Him to arrive. This fact is made abundantly clear in Scripture to the extent no one should be able to question it.

No interpretation of the Rapture event other than a Pre-Tribulational Rapture interpretation withstands the test of imminence when scrutinized! The first four judgments of the Tribulation Period will see one quarter of the world's population die yet the Church, assuming for a moment it would be here, wouldn't be expecting the return of Jesus Christ to take place? That's just silly! It isn't even the least bit logical, is it?

We're not told to look for the coming of the Antichrist or the Tribulation Period, but to look for the return of Jesus Christ at an hour when life will be proceeding as normal, as opposed to the hell-like environment of the Tribulation Period.

Matthew 24:37-38: But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Luke 17:28-30: Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Pray ye be found worthy to escape!

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Trust in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture!

Titus 2:13: Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Revelation 3:10: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Hold onto your crown!

Revelation 3:11: Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

2nd Timothy 4:8: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

..........................................................benny

Trust in a Pre-tribulation rapture???? Where is this in God's Word??I was going to go into a long and detailed explanation about some of the conclusions you have drawn in the above Post,but decided not to, because I know it will be to no avail. You (for Now) have already made your mind up what the absolute truth about the end time is, and to try to share a different perspective of events with one that has this mindset is an exercise in futility. By being so dogmatic with your view, you unconceously lock out the Holy Spirit from teaching you More truth about the end time. This can be somewhat dangerous, because the closer we get to the time of the end, the more will be revealed. Most won't realize what is actually occuring, untill you find yourselve in the middle of the events. [indent][/indent]With much concern in God's Love, I can only encourage you to not give up when things don't Work out to the scenario that has been placed before you. There will come a time in your Life when you will have no other choice but to "set aside" the many assumed conclusions, and Man's doctrines, and listen to the Holy Spirit Himself. I know where you are coming from, I was there Once. The very doctrine you embrace, I also accepted, many years ago. I do admire your Love For the Word of God, but it must be discerned by the Holy Spirit, and not with man's understanding.

You quote:..."Trust in a Pre-tribulation rapture???? Where is this in God's Word??"
"Nowhere in the Bible does it directly say the Church will go through the tribulation."

Jesus did say, "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh" (Matthew 24:44). The only time frame I can think of when we believers would not be expecting Jesus to return would have to be before the tribulation.

Joshleet,...it was the Holy Spirit who directed and kept me in the pre-trib belief.

................................................benny

Benny, Lets for a moment "set aside" our doctrine, and let's Look at the pure Word of God. I am willing to do so, if you are. If we approach certian Scriptures in revelation, without any preconcieved thoughts of what we want it to say, we can then draw conclusions based purely on the Word of God. Here is the first one.

The first half of the fifth seal clearly establishes a group of believers who have given their lives for their testimony. It appears that these are those who are killed in the first four seals being opened. I don't see anything here that seperates these believers, from the church believers. As a matter of fact Jesus spoke of these believers in Matthew.Who is Jesus addressing here?? The very same disciples who asked Him what shall the sign of His coming and the end of the age. This would be a nonsensical answer if one was promised to be taken out, before facing this.

The second half of the fifth seal establishes two very important points. First, it establishes, God's Judgement has not yet begun. Second, It establishes, there is still a "short season" until it DOES BEGIN.

What conclusion can we draw from this passage??? First, God's wrath has not began to fall as of yet. They ask the Lord HOW LONG, until it does.... Now this would be a very silly question to be asking if God's Judgements have began already. If anyone would know, it would be these souls under the altar. The second part of the answer to their question establishes the following points. There will be a second group of Believers Martyed for their testimony as they were. It will happen in what is described as a "little season" this will be the reign of the false Messiah which is yet future from this event. Lastly, it was prophesied that this group of believers will also give their lives for their testimony. This is the second group of People Jesus Sopke of.. Now notice the second group of people, who ARE betrayed, comes after those who have been killed. These are the ones that are present in the reign of the false Messiah.

It is quite apparent that we witness believers in events that lead up to the reign of the false Messiah, and during His reign. For one to claim that these believers are somehow seperated from the current church age believers, Simply because they had to give their lives for their testimony, is a mere speculation, and a conclusion based on a false assumption.

You have discerned that there is a progression of events that you have labeled "three sets of wrath". It is true that there is a progression. We witness 1/4 of humnanity Killed in the seals,(ch. 6) followed by 1/3 in the trumpets.(ch.9) Things are getting progressively worse. This is followed by the 42 month reign of the false messiah (ch 11, 12, and 13), which is then followed by the vials of the wrath of God being poured out in Chapter 14. What we are witnessing through the seals and trumpets are the "birthpains" Jesus spoke of. But He also said "the end is not yet". Jesus knew that there is going to be certian events occuring in the "Birthpains" that will appear to be te end, but it isn't

/indent]You have attributed the event of the Sixth seal as that, being the wrath of the Lamb. But consider the Following. Who is saying that "the great day of His wrath is come"? Is it John? Is it Jesus? Is it an angel? No! It is those who are hiding themselves from God. Do you want to believe a group of People who Hide from God, that it is the day of the Lord? Consider the following. [indent]

Another event that is occuring in the sixth seal, is the blood red moon event (rev. 6:12) When does this event occur? According to Joel 2:31, it occurs BEFORE THE GREaT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD COMES. WHY THEN, ARE THESE WHO ARE HIDING IN THE MOUNTAINS FROM THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, ACCEPTING THIS AS IF THEY ARE ALREADY IN THE DAY OF THE LORD???

One needs to understand what is actually occuring in the sixth seal. These folks do see the Lord sitting on the throne, THEY do cry for the mountains and rocks to hide Them, THEY THEN PROCLAIM IT IS THE DAY OF THE LORD, bUT How can this be, for it is only the sixth seal? The blood red moon event has also just occured, which occurs BEFORE the day of the Lord.. The Lord does reveal Himself in this event. They do see HIM.... Sitting on THE THRONE.. Is the Lord returning on HIs horse Here???? Nope!!! The people in the sixth seal, are experiencing the "strong delusion" spoken of in II thess. This is all occuring BEfore the reign of the false Messiah.

I percieve Revelation broken down into three stages also. The first is Man's inhumanity to man, in the seals. This IS followed by the wrath of Satan, during His 42 month reign. And finally the Vials of the wrath of God, which is absolute and complete. It is only the Latter, the vials of the wrath of God, are we not destined for. This was very difficult for me to accept also.. WE WILL be Here through the "birthpains" and the 42 month reign of the False messiah, But Praise be to God!!! We are not destined for His Wrath!!!!

Lastly, you quoted the scripture, for "in an hour that you think not, the Son of man cometh'. This Passage must be understood with other corresponding Passages. We are also told that we are to be "kept" from the hour of Temptation. Have you ever asked the Holy Spirit how end time events would be considered an "hour of temptation" to a believer?? Jesus also said, that if it were possable, even the "elect could be decieved" How? What scenario could answer all these?? Simple. [indent]The false Messiah will come to power at a time the world (and many Christians) will believe is the end. (but the end is not yet). This is what we are witnessing in the Sixth seal. This is also the Climax of the Ezekiel 38 Battle. In Ezekiel 38:20, we witness all the people on the face of the earth shall shake at His Presence" The Lord is not returning when He supernaturally deliveres the Jewish nation from the invading Armies. unfortunately, they, and many christians will accept what theyt are experiencing AS THE DAY OF THE LORD but it occurs PRIOR TO the reign of the false messiah. This scenerio answers all of our questions. Would this create an "hour that you think not"? Yup!! Absolutely No one would be looking for the Lord to return, If the entire World has thought He is already Here, but it will be the "anti" Christ. The one coming in His place first. Would this be considered an "hour of Temptation"? Yup! The False Messiah will give everything to the church, they are loking for is Looking for. They have already been through a series of Events that has been accepted as full prophetic fulfillment. They will be eating and drinking, and given in Marriage, In a false Marriage Supper, to the false Bridegroom, untill the flood comes, the wrath of God. This will surely be an "hour that you think not" the Son of man will come.

You quote:The first half of the fifth seal clearly establishes a group of believers who have given their lives for their testimony. It appears that these are those who are killed in the first four seals being opened. I don't see anything here that seperates these believers, from the church believers.

Then I suggest that you look again,....Revelation 5 has a multitude who are in heaven redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.
The redeemed in rev.5 are present in heaven before the first seal is opened.
The first seal begins Daniels 70th week.
The ones under the altar are trib saints and are not the bride.

..............................................benny

I agree that Revelation 5 has a multitude in Heaven that have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb...they are present before the first seal is opened. These are Churchage believers who have died Since Christ and have gone on to be with the Lord.

Paul talks of these believers. II cor. 5:6&8 Therefore, we are always confident, knowing that, while we are home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 8 We are confident, I say, and willing RATHER TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY, AND TO BE PRESENT WITH THE LORD.

ARE NOT THESE PRESENT WITH THE LORD, If they are absent from the body? Or was Paul Just confused???

SORRY, nice try, BUT THESE FOLKS ARE ALREADY WITH THE lORD!!!! [quote]For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and REMAIN UNTO THE COMING OF THE LORD, SHALL NOT PREVENT THEM (OR GO BEFORE) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST (THIS HAPPENS WHEN WE ARE NO lONGER HOME IN THE BODY) THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: AND SO SHALL WE EVER BE WITH THE lORD. quote][indent]THESE FOLKS ARE ALREADY IN THE CLOUDS WITH THE lORD, WHEN WE GO TO MEET THEM!!! These are those the Lord brings with Him. Nice try!!

I agree that Revelation 5 has a multitude in Heaven that have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb...they are present before the first seal is opened. These are Churchage believers who have died Since Christ and have gone on to be with the Lord.

Paul talks of these believers. II cor. 5:6&8 Therefore, we are always confident, knowing that, while we are home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 8 We are confident, I say, and willing RATHER TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY, AND TO BE PRESENT WITH THE LORD.

ARE NOT THESE PRESENT WITH THE LORD, If they are absent from the body? Or was Paul Just confused???

SORRY, nice try, BUT THESE FOLKS ARE ALREADY WITH THE lORD!!!!
Try again
You quote:..."I agree that Revelation 5 has a multitude in Heaven that have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb...they are present before the first seal is opened. These are Churchage believers who have died Since Christ and have gone on to be with the Lord."

They had also had already cast their crowns before the throne in rev.4
This is why this group in 5 have no crowns.
The judgement seat of Jesus Christ has already happened before the trib begins.

Again,...You try to place a rapture of the alive and dead at the end of the tribulation when the Lord is descending towards the earth.Joshleet,.....Who repopulates the millenium???
Your post trib view is flawed.
Only a pre-trib view can bring out the true endtime scenerio.

................................................................benny

Nope, Sorry Benny, It is you who are trying to twist and change what I have said. Now that is quite sad one must stoop to this degree of deception to prove your point. I never said that the "harvest" (rapture,) at the end of the 70th week, was for both the alive and Dead. Those that have already fallen asleep, the Lord brings with Him!! to deny that they are already with the Lord, when he comes is the same as denying the Word of God! I rebuke You in Jesus Name!! Is your doctrine that important to you? What you have Just done is no differnet than what Satan did to Jesus while In the wilderness. He too quoted scripture to My Lord, but tried to twist it to bring on results He desired. You are treading on very thin Ice!!![indent][/indent]If you took the entire word of God to understand prophetic scripture, and not just the verses that fit your doctrine, then maybe you would Have some understanding. Read daniel 12:11-12. this prophesies a 1290 Time split Between the stopping of the sacrifices, and the abomination of desolation, which occurs at the end of the 70th week. it also speaks of a special blessing on those who make it through the 1335th day. thats 45 days after the abomination of desolation. It is in these 45 days the vials of the wrath of God are poured out. The harvbest occus at the end of the 70th week before the wrath of God, for we are not destined for it! But I might as well be telling this to a rock, becuase you are so willingly ignorant to the truth!!! Your doctrine is more important than the truth, isn't it?????

Your not rebuking anybody kid,...
It seems when you cannot wiggle around when truth blows your false teaching out of the water, you begin ranting things that words scattered all over the place making no sense at at,...even things that are not scriptural.

Joshleet,...The wrath of the trib begins early on in the trib.
There is not a bowl judgement after the 1260th day...that is incorrect.
Do not count your chickens before they hatch.go back and look things over again.

And I assure you that I am not twisting scripture.
Oh! by the way, since you desire so much to be present when the ac arrives on the world scene,....go up to his face and rebuke him in Jesus name,....Do you think something would happen if you did that???
If you believe it now,and do not understand me wrong cause I do believe demons and things not of the Lord can be rebuked....that is,....as long as the Bride is present,......Tell me,...why could you not rebuke the ac, if you were face to face to him.
After all, did not the Lord say,..."Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world?
And if Jesus be for you, who can be against you?

Joshleet,...I am saying these things to you cause I am trying to get you to realize who it is that you are in Christ Jesus.I hope that you understand.

.........................................benny

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear:
because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
1Jn 4:18

Your true Spirit is truly beggining to manifest itself..... I don't Have to wiggle out of anything, and I see you have been taking Lessons from Stephen on How to try to belittle People when they Have YOU in a position you cannot explain. If I were to believe your "teachings" then..... Paul was a confused idiot, because he said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. However, these that are present with the Lord, the ones He brings back with Him that we Meet in the clouds AT THE HARVEST, have been "raptured" before your seventieth week.... BOY, that makes a lot of sense!!!

Another really confused group of People (according to what you believe) is the souls under the altar who ask the Lord, How Long will you NOT JUDGE AND AVENGE OUR blood in the fifth seal??? ACCCORDING TO YOU, GOD'S JUDGEMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEGUN AT THE FIRST SEAL. really????? I GUESS THESE poor Souls, just don't realize that they were killed IN God's Judgments. So you know better than even those who are before the Lord in Heaven???? Tell me, what's your secret??? Sounds Like you really Need to get ahold of these Souls under the altar of God, and set the record straight!!!!

Once again. Sorry, but the Vials of the wrath of God are poured out on those who have swore allegience to the false Messiah and Have taken His mark. I highly recommend you quit reading and quoting what other prophecy "experts' think, and go to the word of God itself before you draw any conclusions. I don't desire to be Present when the false messiah reigns for his 42 months. I will, unlike you however, be ready to face it, instead of trying to decieve my own heart into believing I don't Have anything to worry about, because I won't be here to face it... I have yet to see you refute One scripture I have posted to establish what the Word of God truly states. I would be very careful.. You shall not tempt the Lord your God, and get away with it!! This is what you have done in your final comments of the previous post.

I highly recommend you burn your Library that is filled with the ideas and doctrines of man, and get together with the Holy Spirit that will lead you into all truth. I know this is something that you Have YET TO DO, due to the number of different "scholars" you oftentimes Quote. Once you have been with the master, and have seen the truth, it will be something you will do without any encouragement from others.[indent] The Multiple posts I see you put up defending the Pre-trib rapture theory speaks volumes, on how much faith you really have in this theory (very little). You already know deep in your heart that this theory is exactly that, ONLY A THEORY, and is one that is built on Nothing but Assumptions and False Conclusions. You feel like you need to do this to continue battling that still small voice, the Holy Spirit who is trying to teach you something to the contrary..... don't fight it!!! you'll miss out on the truth if you do!!!

You quote:..."Your true Spirit is truly beggining to manifest itself..... I don't Have to wiggle out of anything, and I see you have been taking Lessons from Stephen on How to try to belittle People when they Have YOU in a position you cannot explain.
benny reply:
Don't flatter yourself,...Up to this point, I have done a remarlable job of refuting the error you have tried presenting to this forum.
You quote:..."Your true Spirit is truly beggining to manifest itself..... I don't Have to wiggle out of anything, and I see you have been taking Lessons from Stephen on How to try to belittle People when they Have YOU in a position you cannot explain.

You quote:..." Paul was a confused idiot, because he said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. However, these that are present with the Lord, the ones He brings back with Him that we Meet in the clouds AT THE HARVEST, have been "raptured" before your seventieth week.... BOY, that makes a lot of sense!!"

What you attack brother Paul because you cannot understand what is being conveyed in scripture?
The rapture happened prior to Daniels 70th week.That includes the dead and alive in Christ Jesus.
There is not a rapture at all at the end of the 1,260th day when the Lord descends toward the earth.
But there is a resurrection..."AFTER" the ac and false prophet has been thrown into the lake of fire and satan has been thrown into the bottomless pit.
Read your bible,...it's all there in black and white revelation 19 and 20
Soooo who repopulates the millenium???

...................................................benny

You have once again twisted my words to try to convey a point I didn't make. Do you purposely do this, or is this Just part of your nature?? I never stated Paul was an idiot. I said I would have to conclude He was if I accepted your Theory, Which of coarse I don't, nor can anyone, if they know what the true Word of God states. You really need to do some self interspection of your Spirit, and realize that if this is how you treat other brothers in Christ, Just to prove a point, I would Highly question the doctrine I am trying to defend.

"I would Highly question the doctrine I am trying to defend"

You should

It is a real zinger

I have seen many .... but yours ..... patch work

Very cobbled up to the max

Return to the scriptures and seek the truth for your own sake .... and for any who listen to you

I am sorry Joshleet, But you are doing a poor job of trying to defend a false doctrine that you seem to not be able understand the whole scope of scriptures.
You do not have the ability to harmonize scriptures of prophetic truth.
you can only take a little here and a little there and hope you can convince someone to believe what you want it to mean.
The truth is,you must understand scripture thru a jewish perspective and not a gentile perspective.
I suggest that you wipeout everything from your mind of what you now believe, and start fresh.But before you start,...Ask the lord to give you the gift of discernment and wisdom.If you try and tackle this just through interlect alone,...you will fail miserably.

Who is it that repopulates the millenium if the dead and alive have been immortalized and raptured at the Lord"s second coming?
There is not two raptures at the end.
Truth is there is not a rapture at all at the end,....but there is a resurrection of the dead after the false prophet and ac have been cast into the lake of fire.

...............................................benny