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The Apostasy

One of the primary reasons I think that this errant view gained popularity revolves around the meaning and use of the word "apostasy" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. The passage reads as follows: "Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction." Too often interpreters think that the apostasy, which is to come, describes those who depart from the faith at the end of the church age, right before the day of the Lord or seven-year Tribulation. Those who teach this view then contend that since the apostasy occurs at the end of the church age, then the strong delusion that God sends in the Tribulation is upon those apostates or false professors (verses 11-12) whose unbelief took place at the end of the church age. I have at least two major problems with such a view.

The Meaning of "Apostasia"

I believe that there is a greater than 50 per cent possibility that the Greek noun apostasia could refer to the rapture and not departure from the faith as is generally thought. First of all, the core meaning of the verb and noun is "depart." Apostasia can mean physical departure, in which case it would mean "to disappear" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Or, it can be used abstractly, in which case it would mean "to depart from the faith." Since the definite article is used (i.e., the apostasia), it most likely is a reference to a specific event. This would favor the rapture view, since it will be a definite event, unlike departure from the faith, which would be a developing condition. Since the definite noun apostasia does not have a stated direct object, one must be supplied in order to know whether Paul was using the word abstractly or not. Whatever Paul was referring to, he says in verse five the following: "Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?"

I want to write a more extensive support of this view at a future time, but to suffice it to say that if apostasia refers to a physical departure at the rapture, then the view that one who has heard the Gospel and rejects it before the Rapture will thus be unable to be saved in the Tribulation falls to the ground. Why? Because all other events described in 2 Thessalonians clearly refer to things that will occur during the Tribulation. In order for this view that I oppose to even have a possibility that it could be correct, then apostasia would have to refer to a pretribulational apostasy. This leads us to the other major problem.

The Timing of the Apostasy

If we suppose, for the sake of argument, that apostasia is used abstractly and has the meaning of apostasy it would not necessarily support the view to which I am disagreeing. Why? Because, in context, the apostasy that is being spoken of most likely refers to events associated with the Antichrist during the middle of the Tribulation. Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum explains:

These verses have often been interpreted as teaching that if one hears the gospel before the Rapture and rejects it, he will not have an opportunity to be saved after the Rapture. But this is not the teaching of this passage. The point of no return is the acceptance of the "big lie" of the Antichrist's self-proclaimed deity and the submission to the worship of him by means of taking the mark of the beast. It is only then that the point of no return is actually reached. The option of taking the mark of the beast only begins in the middle of the tribulation. Even the context of this passage shows that it speaks of events that occur in the middle of the tribulation. The worshippers of the Antichrist do so because they are deceived by the Antichrist's power of miracles. They are deceived because they received not the love of the truth. The rejection of the gospel was not what they may have heard before the Rapture but rather the preaching of the 144,000 Jews and the Two Witnesses.

Dr. Fruchtenbaum is correct to link this passage with events in the middle of the Tribulation. This passage lines up with events described in Revelation 12—14. The "strong delusion" of 2 Thessalonians 2:11 relates to those who receive the mark of the Beast, called "those who dwell upon the earth" throughout Revelation (3:10; 6:10; 8:13; 11:10 [twice]; 12:12; 13:8, 14 [twice]; 14:6). 2 Thessalonians 2, seen in light of Revelation 12—14, makes it clear that the timing of the act of those who "love not the truth" (2 Thessalonians 2:10).

New Testament Apostasy

To take the view that I do does not mean that I think that the New Testament does not talk frequently about the subject of apostasy. It surely does. There are plenty of passages that do teach of increasing apostasy as the age progresses. Two major passages, among many, that teach an end-time church age apostasy occur in 1 Timothy 4:1-16 and 2 Timothy 3:1—4:8. In fact, 2 Timothy 3:13 declares, "{B}ut evil men and imposters will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived." But end-time apostasy will not suddenly show up in history right before the Rapture. Instead, Peter wrote a whole Epistle to warn believers about a coming apostasy in his own day (2 Peter). Peter wrote the following warnings:

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves (2:1).

You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard lest, being carried away by the error of unprincipled men, you fall from your own steadfastness (3:17).



Long before the first century a.d. had come to an end, Jude, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said that Peter’s prediction of apostasy had come.

Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ (Jude 3-4).

Thus, at least 1,900 years ago, New Testament writers clearly declare that church age apostasy had arrived in their own day. How much more is it true of today! This means that church age apostasy has been with ever since the days of the Apostles themselves. Yet church age apostasy is not stagnant. As the church grows, so does apostasy (2 Timothy 3:13).

Conclusion

I believe Scripture indicates that millions of people will be saved during the Tribulation. We see, in Revelation 7:9, a report of what are the apparent results of the evangelistic efforts of the 144,000 Jewish witnesses.

After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude, which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;

True, today is the day of salvation and it is never advisable to delay when the Lord is calling through His gospel. However, the New Testament does not teach that an individual reaches an unsavable position until they die with one exception. That exception is when the mark of the beast is issued and received during the second half of the seven-year Tribulation. Those receiving the Antichrist’s mark will be beyond salvation (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12; Revelation 14:9-12). There is an urgency that we all need to have when we preach the gospel, because the time of God’s grace is running out. Nevertheless, we do not need to invent devices that we think will help God out. All they do is confuse people and distort the clear message of Scripture. Jesus Christ could return at any moment and you need to be ready by believing the gospel and serving Him until the Father sends His Son to bring us all home. Maranatha!

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SecondWind
Bakers dictionary of theology
Apostasy

A word of increasing interest found twice in the NT. (Acts 21:21; 2Thes. 2:3)

It comes from the Greek apostasia a late form of apostasis, originally to desert a post or station in life. It is used of Plutarch of political revolt and is found in the OT in the sense of revolt against the Lord. (Josh. 22:22) Antiochus Epiphanes enforced an apostasia from Judaism to Hellenism (1 Macc 2:15)

In the AV it is translated "falling away" in relation to the man of sin or antichrist. In this sense the thought is of religious revolt. Cremer states that apostasia is used in the absolute sense of "passing over to unbelief," thus a dissolution of the "union of God subsisting through Christ."[/u]Amdt adds rebellion or abandonment in the religious sense. On the nature of apostasy there are lengthy articles in both the JewEnc and the CE developing an extensive doctrine of apostasy.

In the NT. 2 Thes 2:3 is part of a prophetic passage of apocalyptic character. The falling away invites conjecture about whom and from what. The event seems future and thus related to antichrist. The implication is that the apostates will welcome the man of sin.

So many of the big shots would like you to believe that the so called endtime "apostasy" will take place within the church. The belief is that after the supposed pre-trib rapture, many who remain in the church would "fall away" and succumb to the antichrist and thus become part of "the apostasy".

Apostasy is going from one religion and accepting another.

The words "falling away" are misleading until you see how it is used in the original language. It is described as a divorce and to go from one thing to another. Entire kingdoms have gone into apostasy when it's ruler or king called for one. And it was always to change the "national religion" if you know what I'm say'n.

And, in reality, most Protestants attribute this apostasy to the Catholic church. I don't see a shred of evidence that the church becomes apostate or that it is implied in this "apostasy".

Even in Wikipedia it says...

Apostasy (Greek απο, apo, "away, apart", στασις, stasis, "standing") is the formal renunciation of one's religion.

Noted apostates

This is a list of notable persons that have followed a religion and then publicly abandoned or publicly criticized it and attracted notable attention by this defection, or had a notable influence on society with their defection; or if the person has been notably been referred to as an apostate by other groups or people regardless whether the person accepts this label or not.

Ambedkar an ex-Hindu who became a Buddhist

Karen Armstrong ex-Roman Catholic nun who became an atheist

Julian the Apostate ex-Christian and Roman emperor

Aurelius Augustine (Augustine of Hippo) Former adherent of Manicheism who converted to Christianity and criticized Manicheism in his book called Confessions, though generally not labelled as an apostate because the term is originally used for people who leave Christianity, not for people who convert to it

Marjoe Gortner ex-Christian

Ayaan Hirsi Ali ex-Muslim

Maria Monk Sometimes considered an apostate, though little evidence exists that she ever belonged to the religion she supposedly fled

Taslima Nasrin born in a Muslim family who became an atheist

Friedrich Nietzsche grew up in a Lutheran family and became a confirmed Christian in his teens but later became a staunch atheist

Salman Rushdie Accused of being an apostate of Islam by Ruhollah Khomeini due to the publication of his book The Satanic Verses

Baruch Spinoza excommunicated from the Jewish community

Ibn Warraq ex-Muslim

SW
~Selah~
QUOTE (SecondWind @ Oct 18 2008, 09:28 PM) *
Apostasy

In the NT. 2 Thes 2:3 is part of a prophetic passage of apocalyptic character. The falling away invites conjecture about whom and from what. The event seems future and thus related to antichrist. The implication is that the apostates will welcome the man of sin.
SW


Most interesting contribution! I read everything that you supplied and it dawned on me!

Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

I did a long winded topic about this that sort of went off...so I just left it alone BUT what you provided about 'apostasy' matches up with Matt 24:15 and here is why....

A lot of people seem to think Matt 24:15 is about a bomb or something, I don't know why because desolate does not mean "destruction" it actually means about the same thing apostasy means:

Main Entry: 1des·o·late
Pronunciation: \ˈde-sə-lət, ˈde-zə-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English desolat, from Latin desolatus, past participle of desolare to abandon, from de- + solus alone
Date: 14th century
1: devoid of inhabitants and visitors : deserted
2: joyless, disconsolate, and sorrowful through or as if through separation from a loved one <a desolate widow>
3 a: showing the effects of abandonment and neglect : dilapidated <a desolate old house> b: barren , lifeless <a desolate landscape> c: devoid of warmth, comfort, or hope : gloomy <desolate memories>

And the abomination which "maketh" desolate could very well line up with The Mother Harlot spoken of in Revelation (?)

Scripture supports Scripture and I firmly believe if we can find areas less obscure for example within the Bible, then we'll understand the 'whole picture'...
Stephen
Apostacy is any departure from a necessary relationship to the Creator

Doesn't make any difference in what way

Humanity has chosen for the most psrt to separate from God

There was great apostacy on the earth just before the flood ... and the Lord destroyed

There will be the same just before He brings His coming tribulation period

Daniel 8:23-25 and 2Thessalonians 2:3-12 are parallels of the same

In this particular case it will be specifically those who will be the followers of the beast

..... Satan's man of lawlessness .... the little horn

Islam is specifically very "antichrist" at the root .... "against" the Son of God

They teach that God has no Son and that His salvation is of no purpose for mankind

The scriptures point in the direction of today's Islamic Middle Eastern inhabitants as the core of apostacy

They are the immediate transgressors who will come against Israel at the time of the end
peacemaker
I believe Scripture indicates that millions of people will be saved during the Tribulation. We see, in Revelation 7:9, a report of what are the apparent results of the evangelistic efforts of the 144,000 Jewish witnesses.

agree!

Maranatha Benn!

Hugs!
peacemaker
QUOTE (~Selah~ @ Oct 18 2008, 10:07 PM) *
QUOTE (SecondWind @ Oct 18 2008, 09:28 PM) *
Apostasy

In the NT. 2 Thes 2:3 is part of a prophetic passage of apocalyptic character. The falling away invites conjecture about whom and from what. The event seems future and thus related to antichrist. The implication is that the apostates will welcome the man of sin.
SW


Most interesting contribution! I read everything that you supplied and it dawned on me!

Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

I did a long winded topic about this that sort of went off...so I just left it alone BUT what you provided about 'apostasy' matches up with Matt 24:15 and here is why....

A lot of people seem to think Matt 24:15 is about a bomb or something, I don't know why because desolate does not mean "destruction" it actually means about the same thing apostasy means:

Main Entry: 1des·o·late
Pronunciation: \ˈde-sə-lət, ˈde-zə-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English desolat, from Latin desolatus, past participle of desolare to abandon, from de- + solus alone
Date: 14th century
1: devoid of inhabitants and visitors : deserted
2: joyless, disconsolate, and sorrowful through or as if through separation from a loved one <a desolate widow>
3 a: showing the effects of abandonment and neglect : dilapidated <a desolate old house> b: barren , lifeless <a desolate landscape> c: devoid of warmth, comfort, or hope : gloomy <desolate memories>

And the abomination which "maketh" desolate could very well line up with The Mother Harlot spoken of in Revelation (?)

Scripture supports Scripture and I firmly believe if we can find areas less obscure for example within the Bible, then we'll understand the 'whole picture'...




good points!
Joshleet
One must also factor in the deceptivness of the false one that will be prevalent when the apostacy occurs. The apostacy will be brought on through Deception, not rebellion.
SecondWind
QUOTE (Stephen @ Oct 18 2008, 11:13 PM) *
Apostacy is any departure from a necessary relationship to the Creator

Doesn't make any difference in what way

Humanity has chosen for the most psrt to separate from God

There was great apostacy on the earth just before the flood ... and the Lord destroyed

There will be the same just before He brings His coming tribulation period

Daniel 8:23-25 and 2Thessalonians 2:3-12 are parallels of the same

In this particular case it will be specifically those who will be the followers of the beast

..... Satan's man of lawlessness .... the little horn

Islam is specifically very "antichrist" at the root .... "against" the Son of God

They teach that God has no Son and that His salvation is of no purpose for mankind

The scriptures point in the direction of today's Islamic Middle Eastern inhabitants as the core of apostacy

They are the immediate transgressors who will come against Israel at the time of the end


I agree Stephen. That apostasy started with the birth of Islam which has grown to 1.5 billion followers today. They are engaged in a holy war against mankind which will bring us to Armagedddon.

I edited out the "Islamic" portion out of the script I posted to shorten it. I'll save it for another time.
SW
SecondWind
QUOTE (peacemaker @ Oct 18 2008, 11:47 PM) *
I believe Scripture indicates that millions of people will be saved during the Tribulation. We see, in Revelation 7:9, a report of what are the apparent results of the evangelistic efforts of the 144,000 Jewish witnesses.

agree!

Maranatha Benn!

Hugs!


The saints are mentioned throughout the book of Revelation. All people on earth will in one way or another suffer from it and will go through it for there will be mass persecution, especially within the ten nation kingdom of the Islamic beast, but it will also reach the rest of the world through Islamic terrorism.

SW
Stephen
"One must also factor in the deceptivness of the false one that will be prevalent when the apostacy occurs. The apostacy will be brought on through Deception, not rebellion"

>No .... both

>First, the deception of the man of lawlessness who will gain a great following

>The little horn will do this

>This will cause the rebellion of his followers to rage against the Lord

>He will then be revealed for who he is

>Satan's minic on the earth ....Abaddon-Apollyon in the shell of the little horn
Stephen
"I believe Scripture indicates that millions of people will be saved during the Tribulation. We see, in Revelation 7:9, a report of what are the apparent results of the evangelistic efforts of the 144,000 Jewish witnesses"

>Agreed about the preaching of the 144,000 national Israelites

>Not about the great multitude

>These are already in heaven and around the throne just before the tribulation period begins

>The 24 elders refer to this multitude who are there with them

>There will be very few who turn to the Lord and are saved during the tribulation period and primarily those of the nation of Israel

>One needs to understand that coming "out of" the great tribulation [the entire period} means that the great multitude will not be "in it"

>A good concordance giving the meaning of the Greek "ek" will explain this truth

Lexicon Results for ek (Strong's G1537) Greek for G1537 ἐκ Transliteration
ek
Pronunciation
ek (Key)
Part of Speech
preposition
a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative

Outline of Biblical Usage 1) out of, from, by, away from
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 921 AV — of 366, from 181, out of 162, by 55, on 34, with 25, misc 98


>This same word is used in Revelation 3:10 and 18:4

>The Lord promises to "keep from" and His call to do this is recorded in Revelation 18:4

>This action will put today's Body of Christ in heaven just before MBG's great city is destroyed at the beginning of the tribulation period in one hour
Joshleet
While we are on the subject of the "falling away" UNderstanding the order of events concerning the falling away, and when it occurs related to other events, brings us an understanding of what will actually cause the apostacy, the falling away.
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II Thess> 2:1-3 Now we beseech you brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him. That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man decieve you by any means: For that day shall NOT COME EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST
, AND that man of sin be revealed, the son of Perdition, who opposeth and exalEth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that HE AS GOD SITTETH IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD SHEWING HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD (The returned MESSIAH, JESUS).
[/indent]We are given a very clear order of events concerning the day of the Lord. First, the Apostacy, the falling away. This will occur during the 42 month reign of the false Messiah. Even if it were possable, the elect will be decieved. Secondly, the man of sin be revealed. If this event happened at the beginning of His 42 month reign, he wouldn't be able to decieve anyone. The "revealing" (and I highly recommend one Look this word up in the strongs) occurs at the end of his 42 month reign, WHEN HIS REAL IDENTITY IS MADE KNOWN TO THE WORLD. THE TERM "REVEAL" HERE MEANS TO "TAKE OFF THE COVER" full disclosure. The garbage can has been before us all this time. He has masquaraded as an angel of light. The cover of the can is taken off, and his real identity is now blown, at the Harvest (rapture). Lastly, and only Now will the Day of Christ begin. This time period of God's wrath falls on those who have accepted the false as the true.. Why, because they Loved not the truth... They knew the truth, but did not embrace the truth. These are not unbelievers, but those who are content to getting their ears "tickled" by smooth and easy words concerning the end time.
So (and this is for stephen), you are partially correct. the apostacy will be caused not only by deception, but also rebellion, to the truth of God's word.
The departing from the truth, the apostacy, will be brought on from a combination of things. First, it will occur at a time, the world, and many unknowing believers have experienced events that will have appeared to be, and accepted as, full prophetic fulfillment. Secondly, it occurs because of the strong "delusion" the Lord brings on those that "love not the truth". This "strong delusion," is, an event we as Christians should know what it is. The Lord "revealing" Himself at the Climax of the Ezekiel 38 War (ez. 38:20) PRIOR TO HIS ACTUAL RETURN TO EARTH, IS THIS STRONG DELUSION. We also see this played out in the Sixth seal of Revelation. When the people cry for the mountains to fall on them to Hide them from the face of Him that "sitteth on the throne". The Lord IS revealing Himself here, but is NOT returning to set up HIs Kingdom at this time. (although the people in the sixth seal think He is). The Sixth seal is the climax of the ezekiel 38 war. This war climaxing in Israel, combined with the Lord revealing Himself at this time (the strong delusion), brings on a portiat of events that will appear to be the final battle, and the Lord's return, but actually occurs BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD COMES.
These events are what "sets the stage" FOR the apostacy. The world will be fully groomed and ready for it, when it occurs. Those who HAVE ACCEPTED THE FALSE MESSIAH AS THE TRUE, And think that they have now entered into the Millineil reign of Christ, will be the ones the Apostacy falls on. They will consider anyone who don't accept their explanation of what just happened in the prior seven year period to the reign of the false messiah, as being fulfilled prophecy, as total idiotical heathen unbelieveers, not worthy to enter into the 1000 year reign of the Kingdom of God. You will be betrayed by people of your own Household.
Yup! there is an "apostacy" coming, and up till now, Satan has done a perfect Job on the Church to prepare them to walk right into it with eyes wide shut!!
The Last event to occur in Human History as we know it, will occur at the end of the 70th week. The apostacy has occured, When the restrainer is removed, When the beliving remnant are taken out at the Harvest, the rest of the World is also "harvested' and cast into the great winepress of the wrath of God, which we are not destined for. The harvest is the event that brings on the final event. The abomination of desoalation. Jesus said it would be....
QUOTE
Matthew 24:14-15 .....and THEN THE END (of the age) shall come. When ye therefore see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet.
[indent]
The abomination of desolation occurs 1290 days AFTER the stopping of the sacrifices in the Midst of the week. (daniel 12:11) It is in this time period, the reign of the false messiah, the Apostacy occurs.
SecondWind

QUOTE
Yup! there is an "apostacy" coming, and up till now, Satan has done a perfect Job on the Church to prepare them to walk right into it with eyes wide shut!!


The church will not accept the man of sin. This man and system is Islamic, and christians know better. I'm sure christians in the Arab/muslim world will wonder and question if the jesus muslim really is Jesus. But most will not be deceived by these imposters at all. Only Muslim's will welcome the man of sin. And right now, the argument between the two sects of Islam is...

Who will welcome the Mahdi when he arrives. Sunni's, or Shia's?

SW
~Selah~
QUOTE (SecondWind @ Oct 19 2008, 02:52 PM) *
QUOTE
Yup! there is an "apostacy" coming, and up till now, Satan has done a perfect Job on the Church to prepare them to walk right into it with eyes wide shut!!


The church will not accept the man of sin. This man and system is Islamic, and christians know better. I'm sure christians in the Arab/muslim world will wonder and question if the jesus muslim really is Jesus. But most will not be deceived by these imposters at all. Only Muslim's will welcome the man of sin. And right now, the argument between the two sects of Islam is...

Who will welcome the Mahdi when he arrives. Sunni's, or Shia's?

SW


The church out there that you see and observe that has been "set-up" as a *kingdom* under the Grecian name "Jesus" has long been accepting what you're stating. Now it is time...
Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

The muslims are the greeks, the greeks the muslims.
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