Reposted from "What Do You Say?" Mormon thread...
I woke up one day at age 8 to find myself on the way to a baptism....mine. It was done in late spring if I recall, and the water was pretty cold. It was done at a small lake nearby.
I asked what it was about, but never understood. I remember having to sit in church and see people (small congregation) worshiping God and they had this picture of some wimpy looking long brown haired guy at the front of the church.
I remember being confirmed after I was baptized. I remember having hands laid on me in confirmation that I was now a full blooded Reorganized Latter Day Saint (RLDS) and the preachers were pretty nice.
I remember how my mother tried to keep us on the straight and narrow, but the whole religion thing meant little to me. Why did I care about that wimpy guy in a robe? I never saw him and never would meet him (at least not at a time when it was still important) so I just lived.
I got to say I lived! I never saw a lot of church as a lad because my dad was not big on it either. We spent most Sundays at my paternal grandparents farm. I used to get in a fair amount of trouble being a boy and all.
But I grew up and joined the army at the ripe old age of 17. That just about did it. There I was out in the world, with a worldly heart, and I bore much worldly fruit. I was supposed to be a man of God, but I was a man of the devil, hands down. (Not that I knew the difference)
But as I got deeper and deeper in the pit of my making, I finally got to a place of desperation where I knew I was going down for the count if changes were not made. I got fired from a good job for stealing from the employer.
The upshot of that firing was an inner awareness that my life was on a losing path. I got to an RLDS church (coincidently I now live only a few blocks from it) because it is all I knew. I had phoned and the pastor and an elder were waiting for me. I confessed my sins afresh, asked them to pray for me. I felt a burden lift. I was convinced I needed to start up going to church again at that time, and I did.
But as I was leaving the building, I stopped to look at a few church publications in a wall rack by the front door. As I stood there fishing, an external voice spoke to me. It was behind me and to my right. I glanced back and no one was there. The voice spoke briskly and sharply, like an angry parent to a wayward child. It said, "You got what you came for, now get the hell out!!"
I left abruptly, pretty confused and upset, as I had never heard another voice in my life. On the way home I wept in my car. I had a lot of things to deal with. I was still jobless, and my wife had just been laid off.. We had a new condo and a new car and no jobs. Two young kids to raise (hers) and all the bills. I stopped the car and sat and cried.
But then another voice came in. It was God, and He spoke gently, "Larry, I will restore to you all that you have lost, only you must never again hold false gods before Me."
I started out again and over time the Lord blessed me back, but I was not Spirit filled, and soon became a prodigal for a few more years.
I guess I just said all that to say this. God and the devil were both around me when I went to the (Mormon) church.
I attended there about three years, and I definitely know Jesus was among them. The worship was real, and they demonstrated a great love of God through their love to man. I had a lot of potluck suppers too!
I read the book of Mormon about three times, and frankly there are many prophetic passages in it that seem valid. But who am I? I noticed much drawing upon the book of Isaiah word for word in the book of Mormon. Almost seemed like a weak attempt at camouflage. But the ancient history of America was pretty fascinating. A member of the high up families of the Jews was ordered to build a boat like an ark and set sail with family in tow to America (Land shadowing with wings) It is quite a read.
I disliked the D&C (no not dilation and curettage ) although it has that effect... It was all the religious rules and there were many...The rule book D&C means Doctrine & Covenants.
My pastor was against tongues (they were of the "debil.")
I did not like that they were outside the envelope as respecting gifts which the bible declares are of Him. I had no gifts then so I was no tongue talker anyways. I had a mild prophetic awareness but never flowed in it.
I would never go there to be fed again, but God used it (RLDS) to prime my pump when it needed priming. He takes you where you are and leads you out from there. As I see it, they are another element to be reckoned with as the Lord has had occasion to use them also. I learned a lot about spiritual life from them. I do not feel the things I learned were to my detriment whatsoever
Full Version: You Got What You Came For
I've heard other hair raising stories of voices speaking to one of Gods as they passed through that building. My kid's had piano recitals there. I didn't like to let them run around those big places. I was constantly rounding them up.
Larry I'm sure you still have a heart for many followers there and now.
Jesus will bring all falseness to an end...and all his children home, in this we must trust and take comfort knowing, that he won't take no for an answer.
We must pray for our enemies that the scales come off their eyes and their ears are awakened to the sound of God's angels drawing all his children to CHRIST our RISEN SAVIOR.
take comfort, for you see where once you where and where GOD has lead you.
wow, just as I finished typing this, there was LOUD THUNDER....(THIS IS THE TRUTH)...
or someone might hear sounds of the Twilight ZONE....dodododo
Jesus will bring all falseness to an end...and all his children home, in this we must trust and take comfort knowing, that he won't take no for an answer.
We must pray for our enemies that the scales come off their eyes and their ears are awakened to the sound of God's angels drawing all his children to CHRIST our RISEN SAVIOR.
take comfort, for you see where once you where and where GOD has lead you.
wow, just as I finished typing this, there was LOUD THUNDER....(THIS IS THE TRUTH)...
or someone might hear sounds of the Twilight ZONE....dodododo
QUOTE(wernotalone @ Nov 8 2005, 06:23 AM)
Larry I'm sure you still have a heart for many followers there and now.
Jesus will bring all falseness to an end...and all his children home, in this we must trust and take comfort knowing, that he won't take no for an answer.
We must pray for our enemies that the scales come off their eyes and their ears are awakened to the sound of God's angels drawing all his children to CHRIST our RISEN SAVIOR.
take comfort, for you see where once you where and where GOD has lead you.
wow, just as I finished typing this, there was LOUD THUNDER....(THIS IS THE TRUTH)... or someone might hear sounds of the Twilight ZONE....dodododo
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Jesus will bring all falseness to an end...and all his children home, in this we must trust and take comfort knowing, that he won't take no for an answer.
We must pray for our enemies that the scales come off their eyes and their ears are awakened to the sound of God's angels drawing all his children to CHRIST our RISEN SAVIOR.
take comfort, for you see where once you where and where GOD has lead you.
wow, just as I finished typing this, there was LOUD THUNDER....(THIS IS THE TRUTH)...
or someone might hear sounds of the Twilight ZONE....dodododo[right][snapback]21878[/snapback][/right]
One of the elders there is now a viictim of MS and lives in a convalescent home and I see him occasionaly. He was very good to me back then. He helped me a lot. The pastor has passed on and many of the folks have been divorced...not a cleanbill unfortunately.
The whole religion thing has never appealed to me either.
It took a lot of time for me to realize just where God was leading me.
It took a lot of time for me to realize just where God was leading me.
QUOTE(whosoever @ Nov 7 2005, 08:17 AM)
Reposted from "What Do You Say?" Mormon thread...
I woke up one day at age 8 to find myself on the way to a baptism....mine. It was done in late spring if I recall, and the water was pretty cold. It was done at a small lake nearby.
I asked what it was about, but never understood. I remember having to sit in church and see people (small congregation) worshiping God and they had this picture of some wimpy looking long brown haired guy at the front of the church.
I remember being confirmed after I was baptized. I remember having hands laid on me in confirmation that I was now a full blooded Reorganized Latter Day Saint (RLDS) and the preachers were pretty nice.
I remember how my mother tried to keep us on the straight and narrow, but the whole religion thing meant little to me. Why did I care about that wimpy guy in a robe? I never saw him and never would meet him (at least not at a time when it was still important) so I just lived.
I got to say I lived! I never saw a lot of church as a lad because my dad was not big on it either. We spent most Sundays at my paternal grandparents farm. I used to get in a fair amount of trouble being a boy and all.
But I grew up and joined the army at the ripe old age of 17. That just about did it. There I was out in the world, with a worldly heart, and I bore much worldly fruit. I was supposed to be a man of God, but I was a man of the devil, hands down. (Not that I knew the difference)
But as I got deeper and deeper in the pit of my making, I finally got to a place of desperation where I knew I was going down for the count if changes were not made. I got fired from a good job for stealing from the employer.
The upshot of that firing was an inner awareness that my life was on a losing path. I got to an RLDS church (coincidently I now live only a few blocks from it) because it is all I knew. I had phoned and the pastor and an elder were waiting for me. I confessed my sins afresh, asked them to pray for me. I felt a burden lift. I was convinced I needed to start up going to church again at that time, and I did.
But as I was leaving the building, I stopped to look at a few church publications in a wall rack by the front door. As I stood there fishing, an external voice spoke to me. It was behind me and to my right. I glanced back and no one was there. The voice spoke briskly and sharply, like an angry parent to a wayward child. It said, "You got what you came for, now get the hell out!!"
I left abruptly, pretty confused and upset, as I had never heard another voice in my life. On the way home I wept in my car. I had a lot of things to deal with. I was still jobless, and my wife had just been laid off.. We had a new condo and a new car and no jobs. Two young kids to raise (hers) and all the bills. I stopped the car and sat and cried.
But then another voice came in. It was God, and He spoke gently, "Larry, I will restore to you all that you have lost, only you must never again hold false gods before Me."
I started out again and over time the Lord blessed me back, but I was not Spirit filled, and soon became a prodigal for a few more years.
I guess I just said all that to say this. God and the devil were both around me when I went to the (Mormon) church.
I attended there about three years, and I definitely know Jesus was among them. The worship was real, and they demonstrated a great love of God through their love to man. I had a lot of potluck suppers too!
I read the book of Mormon about three times, and frankly there are many prophetic passages in it that seem valid. But who am I? I noticed much drawing upon the book of Isaiah word for word in the book of Mormon. Almost seemed like a weak attempt at camouflage. But the ancient history of America was pretty fascinating. A member of the high up families of the Jews was ordered to build a boat like an ark and set sail with family in tow to America (Land shadowing with wings) It is quite a read.
I disliked the D&C (no not dilation and curettage ) although it has that effect... It was all the religious rules and there were many...The rule book D&C means Doctrine & Covenants.
My pastor was against tongues (they were of the "debil.")
I did not like that they were outside the envelope as respecting gifts which the bible declares are of Him. I had no gifts then so I was no tongue talker anyways. I had a mild prophetic awareness but never flowed in it.
I would never go there to be fed again, but God used it (RLDS) to prime my pump when it needed priming. He takes you where you are and leads you out from there. As I see it, they are another element to be reckoned with as the Lord has had occasion to use them also. I learned a lot about spiritual life from them. I do not feel the things I learned were to my detriment whatsoever
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I woke up one day at age 8 to find myself on the way to a baptism....mine. It was done in late spring if I recall, and the water was pretty cold. It was done at a small lake nearby.
I asked what it was about, but never understood. I remember having to sit in church and see people (small congregation) worshiping God and they had this picture of some wimpy looking long brown haired guy at the front of the church.
I remember being confirmed after I was baptized. I remember having hands laid on me in confirmation that I was now a full blooded Reorganized Latter Day Saint (RLDS) and the preachers were pretty nice.
I remember how my mother tried to keep us on the straight and narrow, but the whole religion thing meant little to me. Why did I care about that wimpy guy in a robe? I never saw him and never would meet him (at least not at a time when it was still important) so I just lived.
I got to say I lived! I never saw a lot of church as a lad because my dad was not big on it either. We spent most Sundays at my paternal grandparents farm. I used to get in a fair amount of trouble being a boy and all.
But I grew up and joined the army at the ripe old age of 17. That just about did it. There I was out in the world, with a worldly heart, and I bore much worldly fruit. I was supposed to be a man of God, but I was a man of the devil, hands down. (Not that I knew the difference)
But as I got deeper and deeper in the pit of my making, I finally got to a place of desperation where I knew I was going down for the count if changes were not made. I got fired from a good job for stealing from the employer.
The upshot of that firing was an inner awareness that my life was on a losing path. I got to an RLDS church (coincidently I now live only a few blocks from it) because it is all I knew. I had phoned and the pastor and an elder were waiting for me. I confessed my sins afresh, asked them to pray for me. I felt a burden lift. I was convinced I needed to start up going to church again at that time, and I did.
But as I was leaving the building, I stopped to look at a few church publications in a wall rack by the front door. As I stood there fishing, an external voice spoke to me. It was behind me and to my right. I glanced back and no one was there. The voice spoke briskly and sharply, like an angry parent to a wayward child. It said, "You got what you came for, now get the hell out!!"
I left abruptly, pretty confused and upset, as I had never heard another voice in my life. On the way home I wept in my car. I had a lot of things to deal with. I was still jobless, and my wife had just been laid off.. We had a new condo and a new car and no jobs. Two young kids to raise (hers) and all the bills. I stopped the car and sat and cried.
But then another voice came in. It was God, and He spoke gently, "Larry, I will restore to you all that you have lost, only you must never again hold false gods before Me."
I started out again and over time the Lord blessed me back, but I was not Spirit filled, and soon became a prodigal for a few more years.
I guess I just said all that to say this. God and the devil were both around me when I went to the (Mormon) church.
I attended there about three years, and I definitely know Jesus was among them. The worship was real, and they demonstrated a great love of God through their love to man. I had a lot of potluck suppers too!
I read the book of Mormon about three times, and frankly there are many prophetic passages in it that seem valid. But who am I? I noticed much drawing upon the book of Isaiah word for word in the book of Mormon. Almost seemed like a weak attempt at camouflage. But the ancient history of America was pretty fascinating. A member of the high up families of the Jews was ordered to build a boat like an ark and set sail with family in tow to America (Land shadowing with wings) It is quite a read.
I disliked the D&C (no not dilation and curettage ) although it has that effect... It was all the religious rules and there were many...The rule book D&C means Doctrine & Covenants.
My pastor was against tongues (they were of the "debil.")
I did not like that they were outside the envelope as respecting gifts which the bible declares are of Him. I had no gifts then so I was no tongue talker anyways. I had a mild prophetic awareness but never flowed in it.
I would never go there to be fed again, but God used it (RLDS) to prime my pump when it needed priming. He takes you where you are and leads you out from there. As I see it, they are another element to be reckoned with as the Lord has had occasion to use them also. I learned a lot about spiritual life from them. I do not feel the things I learned were to my detriment whatsoever
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Dear Who,
I have a few questions that I hope you can help with. I was reading revelations yesterday, and came across some things that I am not quite understanding.
In the Introduction in revelations it talks about seven churches in Asia. Now it also says that John who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Pat'-mos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying,[COLOR=red]I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and what thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Eph'-s-sus,and unto Smyrna, and unto Per'-ga-mos, and unto Thy-a-ti'-ra, and unto Sar'-dis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto La-od-i-ce'-a.
I am thinking that this means there is another book somewhere that seven churches have that was brought to them by an angel John the Baptist.
Ok now I keep coming across this in 2 John 7:12 and in 2 John 8:13&14 it says
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
2 John 8:13&14, I had many things to write, but I will not with ink and pen write unto thee: But I trust I shall speak face to face. Peace be to thee. Our friends salute thee. Greet the friends by name.
This tells me that John the Baptist is here doing Gods work face to face with his chosen people of those churches he speaks of in revelations.
I am not saying the book of Morman is the book, because I too have been warned of the mormans and how they translated Gods work. I also believe that the Mormans will come to God in the end as most of us will who believe in Jesus Christ the flesh. There is more that I would love to share, but I would like you to explain a little of what I wrote first. Who, I have been praying about something personal, and feel God directed me to see this.
With Love~Stacy
QUOTE(wernotalone @ Nov 9 2005, 07:17 AM)
The whole religion thing has never appealed to me either.
It took a lot of time for me to realize just where God was leading me.
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It took a lot of time for me to realize just where God was leading me.
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Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
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Dear Who,
I have a few questions that I hope you can help with. I was reading revelations yesterday, and came across some things that I am not quite understanding.
In the Introduction in revelations it talks about seven churches in Asia. Now it also says that John who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Pat'-mos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying,[COLOR=red]I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and what thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Eph'-s-sus,and unto Smyrna, and unto Per'-ga-mos, and unto Thy-a-ti'-ra, and unto Sar'-dis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto La-od-i-ce'-a.
I am thinking that this means there is another book somewhere that seven churches have that was brought to them by an angel John the Baptist.
Ok now I keep coming across this in 2 John 7:12 and in 2 John 8:13&14 it says
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
2 John 8:13&14, I had many things to write, but I will not with ink and pen write unto thee: But I trust I shall speak face to face. Peace be to thee. Our friends salute thee. Greet the friends by name.
This tells me that John the Baptist is here doing Gods work face to face with his chosen people of those churches he speaks of in revelations.
I am not saying the book of Morman is the book, because I too have been warned of the mormans and how they translated Gods work. I also believe that the Mormans will come to God in the end as most of us will who believe in Jesus Christ the flesh. There is more that I would love to share, but I would like you to explain a little of what I wrote first. Who, I have been praying about something personal, and feel God directed me to see this.
With Love~Stacy
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The Lord gave me that word from Rev too one time not long ago. I also am in Patmos " for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ." I cannot explain that now.
There were other letters and there were face to face convos between Paul and his churches. As you show, the word say so. I think John the baptist was a man who died for his faith. You made a reference to him as an angel...wrong class...men are men and angels are angels.
I think John the Baptist was the forerunner of the new breed of cat who we now call Christians. He pointed the way to the soon to be revealed Lord. He was beheaded for it. I think we are in a place also where we are pointing the way to Christ in this end of time world, and although the faithful who believed in Him not having seen, are not condemend to wrath, there will be those proselytes to the faith during the tribulation hour which will suffer the fate of John.
In Mormonism, Joseph Smith was supposed to have been visited in a meadow in Palmyria New York (I visted there and saw a few sites) I went up on that mountain (hill) and prayed underneath that staute of the "angel" Moroni. It did not do anything for me.
Joseph called Moroni an angel, yet Moroni said he was the author of the book of Moroni and had lived in what is now North America. He was a man. There is no crossing over that.
Don't put much weight on John the Baptist in this day. I like that song, "These are the days of Elijah."
Elijah fought the evil of idolatry in Israel, and we are supposed to be doing that to in pointing the way to Christ.
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Dear Who,
I have a few questions that I hope you can help with. I was reading revelations yesterday, and came across some things that I am not quite understanding.
In the Introduction in revelations it talks about seven churches in Asia. Now it also says that John who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Pat'-mos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying,[COLOR=red]I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and what thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Eph'-s-sus,and unto Smyrna, and unto Per'-ga-mos, and unto Thy-a-ti'-ra, and unto Sar'-dis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto La-od-i-ce'-a.
I am thinking that this means there is another book somewhere that seven churches have that was brought to them by an angel John the Baptist.
Ok now I keep coming across this in 2 John 7:12 and in 2 John 8:13&14 it says
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
2 John 8:13&14, I had many things to write, but I will not with ink and pen write unto thee: But I trust I shall speak face to face. Peace be to thee. Our friends salute thee. Greet the friends by name.
This tells me that John the Baptist is here doing Gods work face to face with his chosen people of those churches he speaks of in revelations.
I am not saying the book of Morman is the book, because I too have been warned of the mormans and how they translated Gods work. I also believe that the Mormans will come to God in the end as most of us will who believe in Jesus Christ the flesh. There is more that I would love to share, but I would like you to explain a little of what I wrote first. Who, I have been praying about something personal, and feel God directed me to see this.
With Love~Stacy
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The Lord gave me that word from Rev too one time not long ago. I also am in Patmos " for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ." I cannot explain that now.
There were other letters and there were face to face convos between Paul and his churches. As you show, the word say so. I think John the baptist was a man who died for his faith. You made a reference to him as an angel...wrong class...men are men and angels are angels.
I think John the Baptist was the forerunner of the new breed of cat who we now call Christians. He pointed the way to the soon to be revealed Lord. He was beheaded for it. I think we are in a place also where we are pointing the way to Christ in this end of time world, and although the faithful who believed in Him not having seen, are not condemend to wrath, there will be those proselytes to the faith during the tribulation hour which will suffer the fate of John.
In Mormonism, Joseph Smith was supposed to have been visited in a meadow in Palmyria New York (I visted there and saw a few sites) I went up on that mountain (hill) and prayed underneath that staute of the "angel" Moroni. It did not do anything for me.
Joseph called Moroni an angel, yet Moroni said he was the author of the book of Moroni and had lived in what is now North America. He was a man. There is no crossing over that.
Don't put much weight on John the Baptist in this day. I like that song, "These are the days of Elijah."
Elijah fought the evil of idolatry in Israel, and we are supposed to be doing that to in pointing the way to Christ.
I just danced to that song last night in Praising Jesus.This has opened up my heart to CHRIST OUR LORD JESUS, it is the first time in my life that I could really get connected to my Father in Praising him....other than the day he SAVED ME.
IN this Davinic dance we say a prayer. Dear LORD JESUS, let me not draw attention to myself, but only in glorifying your name.
I know that the LORD REALLY LOVES ME NOW, and that I have nothing to fear from this world...but remain HUMBLE...for I've gone through the FIRE and WATER...but in coming out of the WILDERNESS. PRAISE JESUS, there is no condemnation anymore. FOR he LOVES HIS BRIDE DEEPLY and SINCERELY, with ALL OF HIS LOVE, as he demonstrated on the CROSS and died for all our sins...NOT SOME but ALL.
In this I humbly come to him and beg plead CHRIST LORD you are WORTHY, ONLY YOU LORD.
And in this I remember NOT to be PIOUS or SELF- Righteous...and to love my neighbor as myself...NOT SEPARATE but COMPLETELY SURRENDER IN HIM and HE IN I.
We must beware for the times have come...when many will come against God's children...to decieve with words of condemnation...TO LIFT THEIRSELVES UP and BRING OTHERS DOWN.
I am happy, I am joyful and surrending each moment more and more of HIM and LESS of me.
If he feels I am not MATURE enough to receive MEAT, I will settle for MILK.
FOR IS EITHER UNHOLY IF BLESSED BY ALMIGHTY GOD?
IN CHRIST we love abundantly and without fear...even if it means rejection.
LOVE TO YOU DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS, we WILL all gather at the RIVER.
IN HOPE in OBEDIANCE and DELIVERANCE and MERCY AND LOVE created only through our CREATOR WHOM LOVES ALL HIS CHILDREN.
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