I believe that there is only one true Fold. In John 10:16 Christ seems to me to agree. Or why does He say.. 'Other sheep HAVE I which are not of this fold'??

Ask yourself what makes any fold a Christian fold? (If not having Christ's presence there) Now, if Christ was in these 'other' folds of John 10:16, what would be the reason for calling them OUT????? So who is their captain? Compare Rev. 3:9. (And Rev. 17:1-5)

(you can check 'some' of these verses out for the exact Wordings, for they are from an old man's memory)

Then we see in Eph. 4:5 the Inspiration telling us of ONE FAITH. (not about having faith)

Then in Rev. 18:4 we again see the Holy Spirits Inspiration telling us some Very IMPORTANT DECISIONS of Eternal life or Eternal death consequences! 'Come out of her [My people] that [YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS], and that [YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES'.]

Come out into what?? Where?? (Rev. 12:17 is the best identifying Truth) To be in any membership where a person KNOWS & IS CONVICTED (Rom. 8:14)that the teaching of[i] any fold church is not BIBLICAL is a PARTAKER of their [OPEN KNOWN] sin!

And to leave ones membership intact with known open sinners yoked in membership, regardless of what the sin is, (1 John 3:4) makes one a Partaker also. (compare Rev. 2:5's final result)

SO: To not be misunderstood, which happens over & over again, Christ has HIS TRUE SAINTS scattered all around the globe, living the best that they know how! Many have died in this acceptable way, who will be in God's Kingdom. BUT! There is NO way for one to call all of the Rev. 17:5 Church Folds Christian just because there are 'SOME CHRISTIANS THERE' who must and will leave! THESE CHURCH'S ARE JUST WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT INSPIRED JOHN TO PEN THEM AS!

OK: It is TRUE that NO ONE can read another's 'MIND', nor would any saved one want to! yet, we have access to all of these doctrines that we are to JUDGE. Matt. 28:20, 2 Tim. 3:16 with Christ's Words of Matt. 4:4 + Psalm 77:13 for the WAY'S OF GOD! And we are living is the Hosea 4:6 day with increased knowledge for these very last days of Dan. 12:4!

--Elijah [/i]

high Elijah


i read what you had left what i have noticed when it comes to this forum and some of the proffesing experts church should be like what was seen in the old testament

what me and my pastor and our members have been looking at over the last 3 months is what happend in acts

that is what i cal the perfect church or what a christian church should be


Acts 2 English standard version

36 let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God made him both Lord and Christ this Jesus whom you crucified

37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart and said to peter and the rest of the apostles Brothers what shall we do

38 And peter said to them repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus christ for the forgivness of your sins and you wil receive the gift of the holy spirit

39 for the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off everyone whom the lord our God calls to him self

40 And with many other words he bor witness and continued to exhort them saying save your selves from this crooked generation


41 So those who received his words were baptized and there were added that day about three thousand souls

42 And they devoted them selves to the apostles teaching and the fellowship to the breaking of bread and prayer

43 And awe came upon every soul and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles

44 and all who belived were together and had all things in common

45 And they were selling their possesions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all as any had need

46 and day by day attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes they received their food with glad and generous hearts

47 praising God and having favor with all the people And the lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved



sadly this is no longer happening like i am seeing hear what the lord was doing among the apostles and the new believers

what you see today is what is being left in this forum we cant get on every one has their own interpretation we have a lot of finger pointing proffesing experts as i call them judging saying that our pastors are leading us astray

we have some proffesing christians saying we no longer need to baptize new belivers we have proffesing christians saying we no longer need to look to acts as that was in the past


no one is perfect we are imperfect people who were once his enemies the only perfect one was Gods son Jesus


we are all given gifts and the gifts he gives us are to advance his kingdom on this earth we should focus on the neighbour hoods our churches are planted in and stop what i call this finger pointing were you pull down a pastor or pul down a certain denomination because it does not agree with you


i also looked at john 10 v 16




John 10 English standard version


16 And i have other sheep that are not of this fold i must bring them also and they wil listen to my voice so their wil be one flock and one shephered

what i see in this forum and not just in this forum is two flocks and two shepherds a shepherd for the holy ones and a shepherd for us Gentiles or new testament believers you have the old testament believers comming against the new testament believers


i lined up acts 15 v 7 to John 10 v 16



Acts 15 English standard version


7 And after there had been much debate peter stood up and said to them Brothers you know that in the early days God made a choice among you that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and belive

8 And God who knows the heart bore witness to them by giving them the holy spirit just as he did to us


the way i see this jesus was saying in john 10 v 16 is this people from other nations these are the sheep he is going to bring and he said they wil listen to my voice i am that sheep he is talking about i am yugoslavian and their are others italians filapinos chines asian maltez people french people african people nigerian people addicts alcaholics criminals street kids punks dealers pimps prostitutes home less men and women prisoners bikes these are also his flock to not just the educated and the righteous ones



Revelations 14

6 Then i saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth to every nation tribe tongue and people


jesus mission was to the house of the lost sheep of Israel he told the twelve he sent out go no were among the Gentiles or enter a samaritan town instead go to the lost sheep of the house of Isael


i agree what you said elijah that their is only one true fold it cant be were the old testament belivers come against us new testament belivers and tell us that they are the true flock that is being talked about in john 10 v 16 the jews had there chance to repent and to believe they had gods son walking among them and they voted and wanted a thug set free and jesus put in his place to were his life was ended on a cross while the thug they voted for to be set free enjoyed his new found freedom



Damo