The bible cleary refers to the antichrist as the Assyrian. This would indicate he is Assyrian obviously. But also if he is assyrian then he would come from where the former Assyrian empire was. Iraq, parts of Iran, syria, lebanon, turkey,. Well to say the least most of the middle east and arab nations today. This king(antichrist) will come out of this area.

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Also we are told in Rev. 17
8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.

9"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

Notice in color, at the time john recieved and wrote down the revelation, the beast(king/antichrist) ALREADY once was alive and king. At johns times he "NOW IS NOT". but will return from the abyss and go to his destruction.

So he was king of Assyria that was no longer alive at johns time but will return to rule as the Eighth and final king.

Well tear this apart ladies and gents. Just testing the waters on this one, I AM NOT CLAIMING ANYTHING HERE AS FACT!
Is the last empire controled by the beast out of europe as many claim or is it out of assyrian lands. Based on current events both present possibilities

The beast rules 7 heads [kingdoms] and associated human king positions for satan

All are Middle Eastern dominions

5 have fallen and are historical

They fell before the first century

They were the Land of Magog, the Akkadian/Assyrian, the neo-Babylonian, the Persian, and the northern Greek

The beast once "was" ruling .... Over the 5 fallen

Now is "not" .... and still is not [he is in the abyss]

And Rome was not one of his kingdoms because he was "not"..... he was in the abyss where he cannot interact with humanity

He will be released from the abyss at the time of the end to rule over his 6th ..... and final 7th dominion

Both will be located in the Middle East as were the other 5

The 6th smaller .... and the 7th larger divided kingdom with 10 other Middle Eastern kings

The human little horn will fill the king position of both of these two dominions

The first beast of Reveation is Abaddon-Apollyon and he is a fallen angelic who will do satan's bidding on the earth at the time of the end

He will do this by incarnation and possession of the little horn, human king of the northern Middle East

This little horn is called the "Assyrian" in the prophetic visions because his rise will take place in the area of northern Iraq .... the core of the ancient Assyrian empire

Micah 5 pinpoints the little horn and his base geographical location at the time of the end

This little horn and the other 10 kings will come from the Middle East ... not Europe

Daniel's visions say the same [8:9-23; 8:23-25; 11:36-45, 12:7]

So do Ezekiel's visions in 38 and 39 ..... the northern Middle .... the ancient land of Magog

Magog and his brothers were displaced by Assyrian rule

This core area is in the Mosul area of Iraq

Nineveh's ruins are just across the Tigris River from Mosul

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.


shekel told us.........the GREAT ANTICHRIST OF THE GREAT TRIB will be exceedingly wicked, cruel, and destructive

the a/c will be Hitler times 1000


the Assyrian empire was famous for being extremely cruel to their victims.........the Assyrians would conquer their neighboring Kingdoms, and exile the captives to other lands
the Assyrians were exceedingly cruel, hated, and feared.

Isa 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.

Isa 52:4 For thus saith the Lord GOD, My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; and the Assyrian oppressed them without cause.

Mic 5:5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.

Mic 5:6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.




in Micah, i think the ENDTIMES A/C is called ASSYRIAN, because he is exceedingly wicked, cruel, rich, destructive,,,,,,,like the assyrian empire.............(it's a figurative label).............it's not his national identity


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i believe that the a/c will be a Roman
RCC
the 4th kingdom of Daniel 2 is Roman
the pope claims to be the secular and religious owner/god of the world.......he claims the name of HOLY FATHER GOD

Rev 6;6
Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
THIS PENNY IS REALLY AN ANCIENT ROMAN COIN........DENARIUS........which is the coin of the world in the ENDTIMES.........ONE-WORLD-RELIGION/GOVT/CURRENCY

2000 YEARS AGO, A DENARIUS WAS A DAY'S WAGES

REV 17 AND 18..........gives several clues to RCC.........golden cup, scarlet and purple, riches, world ruler, the pope rules over the kings of the world

rome killed jesus...........jesus will kill rome

today, the EU seems to be taking pre-eminence in the world, after the Fall of STOCK MARKET USA, today

the world is EURO-CENTRIC

ASSYRIA
practiced incredible cruelty
built their empire on the loot of other conquered nations


Amo 4:2 The Lord GOD hath sworn by his holiness, that, lo, the days shall come upon you, that he will take you away with hooks, and your posterity with fishhooks.

the pampered ladies of Samaria (NORTHERN KINGDOM, ISRAEL) were living in extreme luxuries on gains squeezed out of the poor.

COWS OF BASHAN (amos 4;1) were women, fattened with the "good life"

withion a few years, these women would be taken away with HOOKS (verse 2) ........Assyrians literally led their captives by ropes attached to hooks through the lip.
(HALLEY'S BIBLE HANDBOOK)

the endtimes a/c will be incredibly cruel LIKE AN ASSYRIAN!..............WOW!...........JOY TO THE WORLD! THE "LORD" IS COME!

the endtimes assyrians will live luxuriously on the loot of others!


the Israelites reaped what they had sowed!

and we will reap what we have sown.

The Revelation does NOT refer to the final supreme "beast" as an Assyrian.

The Revelation informs us that this "beast" at first is "ridden by the Great Whore" [Rev 17]

The final, supreme, from the sea "beast" will be a Roman Catholic.

Satan would like people to believe the "beast" will be anything but a Roman Catholic,

just as

Satan would like people to believe the Great Whore is anything but the Vatican/papacy.

It's no doubt that the man of sin will be an Assyrian. My belief is that the Assyrian antichrist is Saddam Hussein. He will return from his fatal wound and the world will wonder.

It may sound absurd to most of you but...there's a lot of reasons for this.

SW

End Time calling I found this it sounds pretty intresting check it out.
Found it in Rev Study.

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

It is the gentile world power system. The identities of the heads are as follows Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, and the final head is the New revived Roman Empire. Rome’s leader is a "beast that was, and is not, and yet is." This is a reference to the Antichrist that will die and then come to life again. This beast is taking its final form right now. Remember how the whole world united to kick Sadam out of Kuwait? I have suggested that the Antichrist will come from there, do you see how easy it would be for a leader of that little country to get the world to unite?


If we look at the people who dominated the world we have seven different mountains in history, every one of them had this in common, the Babylonian religion dominated all of them, making their rulers into gods. The rulers couldn't rule their dynasties without the support and aid of the priests. A man that can make you a god can turn you right back into a human being. These kings would have to sell their souls to Babylonian whore.

There are seven kings. Five are fallen, (We are looking through the eyes of John, we are seeing this during his life time.), Five are fallen, the Egyptians are gone, the Assyrians are gone, the Babylonians are gone, the Persians are gone, and the Greeks have passed from the scene. The only one of the seven still existed during John’s time was the Roman Caesar. Seven kings, five are fallen, one is, and one is yet to come. The Antichrist and his form of the Roman Empire had not yet come, and it would be a good while before he makes it on the scene.

Then the text says, "when he cometh, he must continue a short space." The Roman Empire lasted almost a thousand years, and in the East it lasted longer than that. Alexander the Great's empire lasted about 300 years before that had been gobbled up, and the others lasted a few hundred years. The Antichrist is only going to get a kingdom that lasts only seven years. He continues for a very short space. Now in verse eleven we see that the "beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth." When we hear about "the beast that was and is not," remember an earlier chapter when the Antichrist was wounded to death. When he receives the deadly wound, he is not. But then he is resurrected, he is. He is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. Perdition meaning Hell.

Mr. Prewett,

Can you tell me why it is that the word "mixed" that describes the fourth kingdom in Daniel 2 means "arab" and how that refers to a "Roman"? And can you tell me how the beast that was, "and is not" refers to Rome when Rome was in power when John wrote Revelation?

Can you tell me why it is that nearly everywhere on earth where there is suicide bombings, genocide, war, civil war, iud's, honor killings, plots to kill millions, and the desire of Islam to convert the planet in the name of Allah and holy war...why is it that it's all Muslim's commiting these abominations of the earth as we speak and not your neighborhood altar boys? And the worst is soon to come.

Did you know that christians are fleeing Mosul by the dozens because Muslim's are killing about ten christians a month in that city?

Can you tell me why in the Sudan, in less than 2 years, a million people were murdered, 15,000 churches were burned, and thousands of villages were burned by Muslim's? And the horror continues. Islam's goal is to kill four million Americans and they want 2 million of them to be children.

Think maybe you could ever change yor mind? Repent!

SW

John's spirit is taken to heaven and into the future to be shown the time of the end .... not the first century

When he sees the king that "is", this is the little horn ruling over his 6th smaller kingdom in the northern Middle East at the beginning of the 70th week

John does not see the Roman empire or a Roman king at all .... the first century was not the "time of the end"

He sees the 6th dominion of the beast [little horn] and the next that is to come ....

The 7th and final divided dominion of the beast with 10 other kings

The Roman empire is not in the scope of the visions of the Bible prophets .... any of them

Neither are the subsequent rulers of the Middle East after Rome fell .... even to this very day

The last 2,000 years of earth history are in the breach of the scope and the visions are silent

The beginning of the time of the end is still pending

When the Lord brings this time frame, the little horn .... an Islamic king of the northern Middle East .... will be present on the earth

This is who John sees

And it is this human king, possessed by the beast himself, who will rise to rule over the expanded divided kingdom of iron and clay just as Daniel's visions tell

His followers will be the Islamic inhabitants of the Middle East who have mixed themselves genetically, but who remain divided politically [the 10]

These are the Middle Eastern adherents of Islam today

These will be united by the little horn and will share power and authority with him at the time of then end [Psalms 83 defines the 10 divisions with Ashur, the Assyrian north, at the helm]

These will destroy MBG's great city of the Gentiles, conquer most of the Middle East, bring great destruction to all nations who oppose them, will invade and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount; and will rule for 42 months [last 1,260 days] unopposed until the Lord comes and destroys their kingdom [Revelation 16]

"Mixed means arab" ? Not according to my dictionary.

Daniel 2 does not contain particular reference to "arab" or Moslems nations.

Most commentators I read [years ago] agree the 4th kingdom referred to Rome.

Regarding current and soon to come end time events,

I'm not concerned about what Daniel says.

Daniel was given to the ancient Jews. They had their end time events.

That was then and this is now.

Jesus's Revelation is given to "servants of Jesus".

Jesus's Revelation is OUR end time events guiding document.

Jesus's Revelation does not tell me to correlate/mix the Rev
with Daniel or anything else in the rest of the Bible.



At first the first/supreme "beast" is ridden by the Great Whore. [Rev 17]

Due to point by point, visble, verifiable, unique and perfect Revelation descriptive scripture fulfillment,
I'm certain the Vatican/papacy is the Great Whore.

Therefore I am confident the "beast" that "carries the Great Whore" is a Roman Catholic.

One thing we seem to agree on, is that the "beast" is a MAN [and a KING.]

If Saddam Hussain reappears, amazes the world [I confess I would be amazed]

and becomes world dictator,

then I'll call you a prophet and seek your further counsel.

When you see JFK reappear, amaze the world and become world dictator,

then you better begin seeing things my way.



The Moslem cult is just one of Satan's many tools.

At least the Moslem cult, unlike the papal cult,
does not pretend to be "Christian" and
therefore has not created slander of Christ for the last 1500 or so years.



If , in order to fit in professionally and socially with this world's "establishment",
I "shrank back" from the truth I see and therefore contend,
then I'd have something to "repent" about.

Heb 10: 38
But my righteous one will live by faith.

And if he shrinks back,

I will not be pleased with him."

39But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed,
but of those who believe and are saved.

Quote from John Prewett:

"The Moslem cult is just one of Satan's many tools.

At least the Moslem cult, unlike the papal cult,
does not pretend to be "Christian" and
therefore has not created slander of Christ for the last 1500 or so years."

Amen! So be it of the truth!
This was just too good to pass up!

Here is the error in the thinking of JP

The beast himself will not "pretend" to be Jesus Christ

There is not one passage of scripture telling this in the entire Bible

This idea is a fabrication and speculative

The beast will be "against" Jesus Christ" and will blaspheme against Him openly

This truth is recorded in scripture

He will then tell his followers that he is the manifestation of his god .... who is Satan

This is the rant of 1.8 billion Muslims today

Jesus Christ is not God .... or even the "Son"

One must read and understand the scriptures related to the characteristics and behavior of Satan's man of lawlessness

This entity will not "pretend" to be Jesus Christ

He will will demand submission to himself and his god "Allah"

Allah" is an imaginary god and cover for Satan

I agree with your above. Don't recall writing otherwise.

[I could quibble a bit with the last line]



The "beast" can be and will be

"against Jesus Christ" and will blaspheme against Him openly"

without being Moslem.



[non Moslems do it all the time]

Maybe without being a pope .... or JFK?

Interpret the following passages of scripture for me:

Psalms 83

Exekiel 38

Micah 5

Tell me who these identified are according to your view

....or maybe you do not think these are visions of the time of the end

If so, explain why

Maybe



sure thing



writer calling on God for aid regarding hostile neighbors.



writer predicting end time invasion of Israel led by huge nation to remote north.
writer predicts invaders will be destroyed. Israel will survive.



writer predicts birthplace of Messiah

writer predicts Messiah will be great "to the ends of the earth"

writer predicts Messiah "will deliver us from the Assyrian"
[I don't think Messiah's deliverance is literally limited to deliverance from Assyrians]

With hindsight we know that Messiah Jesus
did NOT "deliver" Israel from temporal destruction of 70 AD.
So the predicted "deliverance" must be spiritual/deliverance from sin/eternal salvation.

writer predicts "The remnant of Jacob will be among the nations"
[dispersal of Israel predicted and plainly came to pass]

writer predicts that in the end God will cleanse Israel
and punish evildoers.

As for "nations" --- No temporal nation serves Jesus Christ.

These OT prophecies were given to the ancient Jews.

Regarding end time events/scenario,

I am confident Jesus's Revelation is THE document for OUR end time events.

That's where you go wrong and why you can't get it right. You use a regular dictionary to translate the bible.
The word mixed that describes the fourth kingdom in Daniel 2 is a Chaldean term meaning "arab" and always signifies an Arabian or Arabia. It's time for you to use a Strong's concordance .



My goodness John!
All the kingdoms mentioned in Daniel 2, Babylon, Median, Persian, and Grecian, are all Muslim nations today. Hebrew, Chaldean, and Greek are much more descriptive than English. It's impossible to get a correct translation using an English dictionary.



Many of them were prejudiced and unforgiving toward Catholic's just as you appear to be. There are a host of others who believed that the man of sin would be an Assyrian. Not a Roman. (Finis Dake, Authur Pink, Newton).



It's clear that your not paying attention to what Daniel say's. Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and the books of others were called, "the Apocalypse" of Daniel etc. You are certainly off on the wrong tract.



So what was the purpose of the Apocalypse of John?



Jesus never told us how to understand the scriptures. It's up to us to decipher and discern what has been given us in His Word. When it comes to translating bible prophecy correctly, you need help!

You have not answered but one of my questions. What about all the others?


The verses that Stephen posted have all Arab/Muslim nations mentioned in them. Where is Rome? Where are the verses that imply Rome as the beast?

There is not one verse of bible prophecy where Rome is mentioned.

SW

SW says:

"There is not one verse of bible prophecy where Rome is mentioned"

>This is true and the student of Bible prophecy needs to know this before one will ever be able to render proper exegesis of the time of the end

>Rome is not in the scope of the visions .... none of the prophets include it

> Rome and subsequent rulers of the Middle East are all in the breach and are not in the visions

>This breach in the content of the visions has been ongoing for 2,000+ years and will continue until the Lord brings the 70th week decreed for natinal Israel

>Then and only then will the balance of the unfulfilled portions of the visions run their course

>All of the O.T. Bible prophets' visions contain a portion of unfulfilled future events

>And they are all exactly compatible with Revelation's same account

>It could not any other way

>Out great King, Savior, and the Spirit of all prophecy said Himself: "When you see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place .... spoken of by the prophet Daniel ......

>There is no fracturing of the Lord's complete and extended view, and all of the pieces are necessary for the correct rendering

JP---> "Mixed means arab" ? Not according to my dictionary.


JP-->Daniel 2 does not contain particular reference to "arab" or Moslems nations.



The New American Standard Bible lists:

1st kingdom - Babylon/Nebuchadnezzar , 2nd Medo-Persia 3rd Greece 4th Rome.

JP--->Most commentators I read [years ago] agree the 4th kingdom referred to Rome.



Or maybe they were not as intent on serving Vatican/papal interest as you appear to be.



No doubt. Every absurdity has it's champion. Or champions.

JP--->Regarding current and soon to come end time events,
I'm not concerned about what Daniel says.
Daniel was given to the ancient Jews. They had their end time events.
That was then and this is now.
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JP----->Jesus's Revelation is given to "servants of Jesus".
Jesus's Revelation is OUR end time events guiding document.



Not sure what you mean here. Are you referring Jesus's Revelation [last book in Bible] ?

JP--->Jesus's Revelation does not tell me to correlate/mix the Rev
with Daniel or anything else in the rest of the Bible.



The Roman Empire presided over the END of the world of ancient Israel.

I'm confident the 4th kingdom of Dan 2 refers to the Roman Empire.

I'm not surprised that supporters of the papal empire

[that followed the pre"christian" Roman Empire] disagree.



Pay attention. I don't like to be redundant.

Like I wrote to you before:

At first the first/supreme "beast" is ridden by the Great Whore. [Rev 17]
Due to point by point, visble, verifiable, unique and perfect Revelation
descriptive scripture fulfillment, I'm certain the Vatican/papacy is the Great Whore.
Therefore I am confident the "beast" that "carries the Great Whore" is a Roman Catholic.



Searched whole bible for the word MOSLEM. Couldn't find it.

You sure it's not Janez Jansa? He fits all the descriptors and his first name means god and ironically is a derivation of Jannes who opposed Moses.

"Searched whole bible for the word MOSLEM. Couldn't find it"

>You won't, but you will find the people of the Middle East who enbrace this religion today

>The Lord just does not give Mohammud any space in the Bible

>Why should He?

>Islam says God has no Son, Jesus was a fraud, and His salvation is unnecessary

Billions of lost non-Moslems believe more or less the same.

"Satan who has decieved the whole world"

Satan has deceived many of various walks

But, the scriptures are focused primarily upon the Middle East at the time of the end and Israel's direct enemies are the Islamics of the region

They are the same traditional enemies of Israel from ancient times and the scriptures identify them

The Lord has set up the stand off from the get-go

Isaac and Ishmael, Jacob and esau

Still the same today

And it will be the same during the tribulation period

>If one wants to understand Bible prophecy correctly ... one must know this truth

Middle east was the scene/battleground of the OT.

That was then and this is now. NOW the battleground is world wide.

3I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed
And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;

For most of the last 2300 years or so, the ROMAN empire has been dominant.

First the "prechristian" Roman Empire, then the Roman/papal empire.

America had a brief [about 100 years] time of apparent dominance.

Debatable if American dominance has ended or will shortly end. I think the former.

End with bang or whimper ? Probably both. First a bang or two or more.

Then a lot of whimpering. If you live in NYC, Washington DC, or any real big
American city [especially on coast], I'd advise moving. But, if you are sure
you are ready to meet the Lord, I guess it doesn't matter.

Russia and China and the Moslem cult offer some competition to Europe's dominance,
but Europe [old "Christendom"] [old Roman Empire territory] will prevail.

When USA really goes belly up, Russia will be emboldened to launch invasion.

Russia and the Moslem cult will be out of the running when the Russian
[and allies] invaders are destroyed as per Ezekiel 38-39.

China is coming on strong, but isn't quite ready to really rock the boat.

But when America really goes belly up, China may well be emboldened to retake Tiawan.

And pretty much whatever else the Chinese want in their neighborhood [look out Japan].

JFK coming back to life and becoming a world dictator, has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements i have ever read and i have read a few on this forum. Not surprisingly..most of them come from you. What next? Henry Kissinger will be the false prophet? (rotflmao)

JP, you seem to be full of preposterous claims and predictions, and these claims you make have absolutely no scriptural support what so ever. I would have an easier time accepting that Saddam Hussein will reappear (resurrect) on the world scene and become a world dictator, then JFK. At least Saddam Hussein came from the general area where the A/C comes from, according to scripture.

Let me make this perfectly clear JP....JFK is not the A/C and the RCC is not MBG's great harlot riding the beast.

God's Blessings!!

Rob

First off the bible does indeed tell us the last king is "called the assyrian".
Also i would like to point out that even though europe is a growing power and could be the biggest player with the fall of the american empire, europe is quickly becoming a muslim continent. take a look and these don't count gettos and other neighborhoods that are off limits to many but muslims
Marseilles - 25% (200,000 of 800,000) (NEWS), PACA region - 20% (0.7-1.0 million of 1.5 million) (EUMAP)
Malmo - ~25% (NEWS) [percent of immigrants, foreign born or both parents foreign born: 36% (STAT)]
Amsterdam - 24% (180,000 of 750,000) (STAT), Greater Amsterdam - 12.7% (STAT)
Stockholm - 20% (>155,000 of 771,038) (EUMAP) [percent of immigrants: 36% (STAT)]
Brussels - 17%-20% (160,000-220,000) [some say 33%] (NEWS, NEWS)
Moscow - 16%-20% (2 million of 10-12 milllion) (NEWS)
Greater London - 17% (1.3 million of 7.5 million) (WIKI)
Luton - 14.6% (26,963) (WIKI)
Birmingham 14.3% (139,771) (WIKI)
The Hague - 14.2% ( 67,896 of 475,580) (STAT), Greater Hague - 11% (STAT)
Utrecht - 13.2% (38,300 of 289,000) (STAT), Greater Utrecht - 7% (STAT)
Rotterdam - 13% (80,000 of 600,000) (EUMAP), Greater Rotterdam - 9.9% (STAT)
Copenhagen - 12.6% (63,000 of 500,000) ( EUMAP)
Leicester - 11% (>30,000 of 280,000) (EUMAP)
Aarhus - ~10% (NEWS)
Zaan district (Netherlands) - 8.8% (STAT)
Paris - 7.38% (155,000 of 2.1 million) (EUMAP)
Antwerp- 6.7% (>30,000 of >450,000) (EUMAP)
Hamburg - 6.4% (>110,000 of 1.73 million) (EUMAP)
Berlin - 5.9% (~200,000 of 3.40 million) (EUMAP)


So even if this power is growing, it does not reduce the fact that europe is quickly becoming very like minded with the mideast in thought and religion. Especially towards the jews. There is much anti-semitism in both.

I have to believe based on scriptural evidence that the man of lawlessness will be of the mideast origin and most likely based on eliminating what contradicts scripture, the man of lawlessness will be the 12th imam, the Mahdi come out of occultation from the well as a child and will emerge as the antichrist with Isa(islams Jesus) as his false prophet.(i don't believe he comes up out of a well, but truly comes up out of the abyss as our bible teaches)
Isa will denounce and speak great things about Jesus cause he will tell everyone he never claimed to be the son of god, but muslim, and he will abolish christianity according to the hadiths. And will then tell everyone to worship allah((satan)the dragon that gives power to the lil horn(mahdi/antichrist)

So i have wondered for some time why so many say europe is the last beast empire. But this one is said to be different from the rest. Islam in the form of extreme Jihad form is the closest thing we have on earth to representing this, and it is growing faster than any one thought or religion on earth. Including in europe where the revived roman empire would come. This would not work cause there are major portions of europe now that are instituting Sharia law, which is islam rule. London has even starting instituting this in its court system.

The papacy if anything would have to be babylon the whore. and scripture teaches the beast and false prophet hate her and seek to destroy her by fire, and in fact do this.
Bin laden himself made threats on vatican city, and the hadith(islamic tradition) teach that Rome will one day be conquered in order for the last caliphate to be installed by the mahdi.
Rome(papacy) is hated and is predicted by islamic tradition to be destroyed by islamic forces. and a world islamic empire(caliphate) will be installed.

Islam in my thoughts is the leading canidate for the last beast empire.....
The mahdi in my thoughts is the leading canidate for the antichrist/man of lawlessness.....
Isa the islamic Jesus in my thoughts is the leading canidate for the false prophet.......
And we are told the one who denies the deity of Jesus is antichrist, this is true of islam to its core.

There are none. Don't waste your time looking. JP is barking up the wrong tree on almost every facet of bible prophecy. It's beyond me how anyone can take this person seriously. A person who believes that JFK is the "man of sin" and Henry Kissinger is the false prophet. I take whatever he says with a grain of salt.

God's Blessings!!

Rob

Quick note from another post in current events. If the assyrian(manof lawlessness) is a muslim with beliefs in the mahdi, Iran the leading country in this thought has just taken over the central office of the Assyrians......Iran is the very country where the mahdi supposedly fell into the well and remains in a state of occulation until world events allow his return. This is what the president of IRan is working to achieve.....VERY INTERESTING CONSIDERING OUR TOPIC!!!!!!!!!!!

Assyrians' Central Office Officially Transferred to Iran

Oct.17/2008
Central office of the International Union of Assyrians has been officially transferred from the United States to Iran.

Members of the Assyrian Society in Tehran and the representatives of the union in the United States attended an official ceremony arranged in this regard on Tuesday night.


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Iranian MP Yonatan Bet Kolia, was appointed as the secretary general of the union for a three-year term.Bet Kolia, who represents Iranian Assyrians and Chaldeans in the Majlis, formerly served as the International Union of Assyrians deputy secretary general and director of the Asian branch of the union.


-The U.S. had hosted this Union for the past 40 Yrs. .

Again we see the mulsim culture taking precedents even in europe. This is so important because the qur'an(islams book) can only be ready in arabic.

Sarkozy: “Arabic Is the Language of the Future”

When I began my first book by claiming that “Islam is the future”, many claimed that I was being an alarmist. Sarkozy sees the inevitable, and he is somewhat correct. But he failed to finish the thought: “Shariah is the law of the future… Islam is the religion of the future…”


Brussels Journal: The French government is strongly advocating the teaching of Arabic language and civilization in French schools. Not surprising, considering the number of Arabs and Muslims in France, and the unctuous deference with which they are treated by officials, beginning notably with Nicolas Sarkozy, who cannot praise enough the splendor of Arabic contributions to the world.

The French National Assembly was the scene of a meeting earlier this month of the first Conference on the Teaching of Arabic Language and Culture, attended by a variety of interested parties. There was much wearisome blather about the need for “dialogue.”

In his message to the participants, French President Nicolas Sarkozy called Arabic the “language of the future, of science and of modernity,” and expressed the hope that “more French people share in the language that expresses great civilizational and spiritual values.”

“We must invest in the Arabic language (because) to teach it symbolizes a moment of exchange, of openness and of tolerance, (and it) brings with it one of the oldest and most prestigious civilizations of the world. It is in France that we have the greatest number of persons of Arabic and Muslim origin. Islam is the second religion of France,” Sarkozy reminded his listeners.

He proceeded to enumerate the various “advances in terms of diversity,” the increase in Muslim sections of cemeteries, the training of imams and chaplains and the appointments of ministers of diverse backgrounds.

“France is a friend of Arabic countries. We are not seeking a clash between the East and West,” he affirmed, emphasizing the strong presence of Arab leaders at the founding summit of the Union for the Mediterranean, last July 13. “The Mediterranean is where our common hopes were founded. Our common sea is where the principal challenges come together: durable development, security, education and peace,” added the French president.

Glad you are paying attention to my post. I can't recall any of yours.



You got it ! Good for you.



There is a lot of scriptural support. However debate over the scriptural support
wouldn't settle anything. Only the event will settle the issue. Even after the
event of the "beast" reappearing and amazing the world, there will still be scads
of spiritually blind people like you currently are who will remain decieved.



Your above just reveals your lack of understanding of scripture.

Especially of Revelation scripture.



Oh I'm so surprised. I was so sure everyone agreed with me.

If you were as smart as you think you are,
you'd have more of "wait and see" attitude.



I wonder how many Roman Catholic clergy post in this forum.

I presume the "last king" you refer to
is the person Rev 13 refers to as the "beast" "from the sea."

Where in bible is this "beast" "called the assyrian" ? Thank you.




Rev 17:7
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel?
I will tell thee the mystery of

the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her,

which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Whore/papacy "sits on the beast" [17:3]
Beast "carries the Whore" [17:7]


So according to some, at first,

the Roman Catholic/Papal Whore is riding the MOSLEM/assyrian "beast"

Hmmmm

Silly me, seems more likely to me the

Roman Catholic Whore would be riding a Roman Catholic Beast.

I lack understanding of scripture? Typical comeback. Whenever someone disagrees with you, they lack understanding. You are beginning to sound like someone else on this forum. Anyone who believes JFK & Henry Kissinger will rise up from their graves and become the Antichrist and False Prophet is severely lacking knowledge of prophetic scripture. If you don't realize how ridiculous you are coming across to others, then you must be suffering from some sort of severe delusions. I offer my prayers for your complete recovery from these severe delusions.

God's Blessings!!

Rob

Glad you are paying attention to my post. I can't recall any of yours.



You got it ! Good for you.



There is a lot of scriptural support. However debate over the scriptural support
wouldn't settle anything. Only the event will settle the issue. Even after the
event of the "beast" reappearing and amazing the world, there will still be scads
of spiritually blind people like you currently are who will remain decieved.



Your above just reveals your lack of understanding of scripture.

Especially of Revelation scripture.



Oh I'm so surprised. I was so sure everyone agreed with me.

If you were as smart as you think you are,
you'd have more of "wait and see" attitude.



Do you believe the pope is or is not the "vicar of Christ" "Holy Father" ?





In light of your above,

no doubt it is a typical reply to you.



I suppose when they disagree with you,
then you tell them they show lots of understanding.



Neither are in the grave.

How many people had FIRST HAND knowledge
of what was in the casket flown from Dallas to Washington DC ?

How many people had FIRST HAND knowledge
of what/who was in the burial casket allegedly containing the body of JFK ?

The whole world took and is taking the word of a handful of people.

[and most, if not all, of those people are dead]

[btw- I saw Kissinger live on TV just the other day]



time will tell BTW- why not be accurate ? Rev label is "beast", not "Antichrist"



Pope claims to be the head of Jesus's Church.

Is he right ? or Is he deluded ? Or what ?

Millions, if not a billion or so, are said to believe the pope is the head of Jesus's Church.

Are they right ? or Are they deluded ? or what ?



Your loving Christian brotherly concern for my condition is appreciated.



and on U2

The Antichrist (Beast) will rise from Middle East and anyone who denies this, is denying the Word of God.

Isa 10:5 Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger And the staff in whose hand is My indignation

Isa 10:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed his WHOLE WORK upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria , and the glory of his high looks.

Isa 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt

Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in MY land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

Micah 5:5 And this One (the Messiah) shall be peace. When the Assyrian comes into our land, And when he treads in our palaces, Then we will raise against him Seven shepherds and eight princely men.

Micah 5:6 They shall waste with the sword the land of Assyria, And the land of Nimrod at its entrances; Thus He shall deliver us from the Assyrian, When he comes into our land And when he treads within our borders.

When Isaiah refers to the Antichrist (Beast) as the Assyrian, he is indicating from where the Antichrist will come. Ancient Assyria included territories represented by present day Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran (Middle East).

Jesus, John and Paul spoke about the Antichrist (Beast). Jesus called the Antichrist (Beast) 'the abomination that causes desolation.' Paul called the Antichrist (Beast) 'the man of lawlessness' and 'the lawless one.' However, neither Jesus nor Paul indicated from where the Antichrist would come.

In Revelation 13:2, John said that the Antichrist (Beast) and his kingdom would be like a lion, a leopard and a bear. Daniel used these likenesses for the Babylonian, Media-Persian and Greek Empires.

The Bible again and again indicates that the Antichrist (Beast) will come from the Middle East.

With biblical prophecy consistently pointing to the Middle East as the origin of the Antichrist, why do some people believe that the Antichrist (Beast) will come from a revived Roman Empire, why do some people believe that the Antichrist (Beast) comes from the United States of America (Obama, Bush and the long since dead JFK) and why do some people believe the Antichrist will come from Russia (Putin)? The origin of the Antichrist (Beast) is clearly laid out by the prophet Isaiah and Micah. Why do people continue to deny this truth? Why do people continue to deny God’s own words? The only conclusion I can come to is that these people lack understanding or they are simply blind to truth of God’s own Words.

God's Blessings!!

Rob

You are correct Rob ... and you have the exact core set of scriptures to back your rendering

I would also suggest Psalms 83, Daniel 7:1-14, 8 :9-12, and 11:36-45 for location

And the one you are not sure about in Ezekiel 38

The scriptures clearly place the little horn's territory in the Middle East at the time of the end

The symbolic description of the first beast of Revelation is Middle Eastern without a doubt when compared with Daniel's visions

Many are following faulty interpretations of the Bible from the reformation period and from cult followings today

They do not know the scriptures, do not make an effort on their own to study, and they then buy any and everything that the uninformed, and the unlearned tell them .... and those who have proprietary motivations to capture and deceive

How has the whore/papacy/western system if that be who they are not ridden the middle eastern powers. We have relied on them for the heart of our power(OIL).
We have ridden, and oppressed many of these people over a long time. We have done attrocities to many of these nations when the papacy and other empires out of the west have come to power.
"Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. 2With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries."
MYSTERY
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. which the papacy is probably the number one offender to persecuted and martyred saints and jews!

Even today we dominate and dictate alot of what goes on in the middle east now. And now a power, the last empire has arisen that hates this whore and prostitute with all in their soul. To even send their kids and women and their bravest of warriors to kill themselves to inflict as much as damage possible on this enemy.(west). And also have the finances and weapons to stand up against it. Just as these powers that are rising even now hate the papacy/western powers and all that its done. So also does the beast and the nations(ten to be in fact) hate the whore and want to destory her and in fact do.
15Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled. 18The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth." That would be the assyrian/man of lawlessness and the ten kings with him hating and destroying the papacy/western system.

But don't forget these powers that now arise do not just hate the papacy/western powers because of what its done to her over the centuries, but also because what they believe to be the infallible word of the one true God.(which its not but words from a false messenger of God(Satan)).
Just as we believe without a doubt that no matter how bad it gets all will work out cause Jesus the King of Kings is returning soon, so too do these nations and all muslims believe that no matter how bad it gets and in fact it must get really bad, cause this is what will bring about the emergence of their messiah, the Mahdi along side Isa(jesus) to usher in a world wide islamic empire creating world peace by way of sharia law(strict islamic rule).

Do not take this as me proclaiming this to be fact, I am merely lining up what we currently have forming during the age of the generation of the return of Israel to its land. These and many more aspects of Islam which is much, line up and horrifyingly signal a power with all the hate and direction as the last beast empire to arise. And its right where it should be.
ETC

I would agree

And one must consider this

The stage is currently setting up to fit the Biblical view of the time of the end of this present age

We are not there quite yet ..... but close

Yeah its getting obvious, but has yet to be revealed to the saints as far as i have known. Yahweh will inform his people i believe but the time is not yet. That does not mean we are not hours or years away from something to set into motion the events described in scripture as the last days of this age.
We would be ignorant and stupid to not at least take a look at this hateful but powerfully growing religion. It does not take the form of the american church with passiveness, but instead its followers are drawn into a completely engulfing way of life that inspires hate and death. It inspires this not just to hate, but instead because the jews and christians(peoples of the book) are predicted according to islamic tradition to be defeated and converted in the end of days. They will see the Mahdi and Jesus and will recognize their faiths were wrong and all were islamic including Abraham the father of both those faiths. then Jesus will start a campaign with the mahdi to convert all to islam or kill them by way of beheading. There will no longer be a tax on people who live in muslim lands but don't share the muslim faith. They will either convert or die. This is the future muslims see for themselves and the world.
This is the most obvious threat to the worlds soverignty and the saints saftey. Not the roman catholic church that would have to have the biggest awakening in history to gain that kind of power and strength again. Not gonna happen. The rising power and movement that fits in so many more ways to the last empire would be islam.
The papacy would better according to scripture be babylon the great whore.
We'll see saints
ETC

"Not gonna happen"

Your are correct

And MBG is a much broader symbol than just the RCC alone

Intransigent humanity is a worldwide condition which includes the may ways of the lost

Even Islam has its cities

The Lord will seek to destroy them all at the time of the end ... and this He will do in one way or another

And the great city part of MBG at the time of the end is an economic and trading nation of immense influence and connected with all of the other cities of human collection